Lumix GX9- The color is BETTER!

[@KimCruz1]

Do you like the new color science??

[@brianmichaelcohen]

Wonderful explanation of compressed versus raw formats, latitude, and relevance of color science! Thank you!

[@KimCruz1]

No worries glad you enjoyed it!!

[@dr.guyshkolnik_composer]

Don't stop uploading man!

[@KimCruz1]

thanks man i appreciate it, i've been away for a while, you know how life can get sometimes! looks like you've got a great channel and it's unique, keep it up man :)

[@fellowcitizen]

I understand that the pigments used for the colour filter also make a significant difference. There are reports from filmmakers and photographers finding that certain brands and cameras take far more work, or can't quite render as desired.

[@KimCruz1]

yeah there's actually a lot of factors, even the way in which the pixels are arranged- Fuji for a while didn't use the bayer filter format which every other manufacturer did- the RGB pixels are arranged differently and that didn't always mix well with programs like lightroom etc... but basically when it's about cameras that 'take far more work', it's usually with compressed formats- when it comes to RAW, colors are usually pretty uniform!

[@terria58]

Is it good using Olympus 17mm f1.8 on gx9? How about lumix 20mm II?

[@KimCruz1]

Oh absolutely they fit that camera very well. The 20mm ii is really small I miss that about that lens (I've sold it), but the 17mm is much faster focusing and also does auto focus continuous. I would say that the differences of using these lenses on rhe gx9 and on any camera are summarized well here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6W2q2iXqdermZo

[@charleshnl]

Umm not sure if anyone mentioned this already but different manufacturers produce different colors even in RAW. A Raw file between a Nikon and Panasonic RAW files are very different and will need to be edited depending the color science of the sensor/processor.

[@KimCruz1]

As far as I know It's not that different in Raw but a lot kore in jpeg certainly. Gerald undone did a great video comparing picture profiles in Sony raw files.. the differences aren't as much as JPEG tho!

[@OpenFilmmaker]

On my mobile phone, it was difficult to tell the difference. I picked the G85, lol! Great videos!

[@KimCruz1]

Thanks man and yeah I know you really have to look closely or use a big screen haha but people make a big deal out of this stuff! Is it worth all the trouble? Sometimes I guess? In my experience clients don’t even care!

[@OpenFilmmaker]

@@KimCruz1 Yeah, you're not wrong about people making a big deal. There's a lot of arguments like that I see on the internet. It's been a while, when's your next video? I'd love to see a video on your workflow for creating these videos.

[@Aviciiz]

If you look at the curtains in the background you can also see that the gx9 has slightly better dynamic range

[@glennsak]

Hooray! I guessed correctly. GX9 for the win!

[@KimCruz1]

Haha good job what gave it away?

[@A1Bokeh]

Man that side by side the gx9 looks almost 3d like. Are you still using the gx9?

[@kbasemuzik]

It's even better on the s1 and s1r. I think those cameras beat canon and everything else when it comes to color science

[@KimCruz1]

Wow I really have to check one out!

[@kbasemuzik]

@@KimCruz1 yeah you should and let us know what you think about it

[@ruffprophetproductions]

you can also see it in my “beard” 😂😂😂😂 great video man

[@KimCruz1]

lol how did i not see this comment?? but yeah hahaaha!!

[@northontheone-mobiledetail8655]

Hey Kim, I know you’re a Panasonic guy. Have a G7. Due to it’s weight, seems impossible to find a gimbal that is compatible. Do you know of one or have any suggestions? Thanks!

[@KimCruz1]

hey man unfortunately I don't know of any new gimbals that support it, but I use an old Zhiyun Crane V2!

[@northontheone-mobiledetail8655]

Thanks for the reply. And how does the Crane 2 work with the G7? Compatible? Do you like it?

[@KimCruz1]

@@northontheone-mobiledetail8655 no worries man, yeah it's an ok gimbal... In my experience, there are 2 broad categories of gimbals, the older gen (Crane V2 and contemporaries) and newer gen (anything after the Ronin S). The V2 is definitely an older gen gimbal, it won't have features that new gimbals have i.e. endless roll, faster pans, selectable pan speeds (some gimbals let you press a button and when you whip the gimbal left and right and the camera moves almost instantly- think Ronin S and later generation gimbals). Also, these days it seems like gimbals don't glitch as much as the V2- for example, you'll pan to the ceiling and suddenly- the gimbal dies lol... Don't worry, you can just turn it back on again. But on to the positives- it's a solid gimbal and does the job. If you're looking at big movements i.e. tracking shots of subjects walking- this will do it! It won't have the bells and whistles of new gimbals- but I'll be honest, I haven't missed anything crucial when the gimbal has crapped out on me. This may be different for you if you have really technical shots in settings where you can't repeat the shot, but often times, the technical shots are done on static objects anyway. Also, I just checked- $330 on amazon, (I got it for $500+)... that's not bad at all! However, I would encourage you to check out other gimbals, off the top of my head, from brannds like Feiyu (sorry don't know the models), because these guys were seen as a knock off brand before, but it seems like the products are ok now and they were always more affordable than zhiyun. On the whole, don't be afraid to get an older gen gimbal, including the V2- just know they won't be as fancy as newer gen gimbals but will get the job done. Last thing, gimbals are useful, but were also definitely a trend, similar to drones. It doesn't mean people don't use them anymore, but I think people have seen it's limits and aren't as excited about them anymore. You can kinda see the tech/video community has moved away from doing a ton of reviews on them because ultimately, you don't always need them, they can be a hassle to use, and old and new gen gimbal differences aren't mind blowingly different. My suggestion- get a gimbal like the V2 on the cheap, and save your money for lights lenses etc. Hope this helps!

[@northontheone-mobiledetail8655]

Thanks Kim! Totally understand what you’re saying. Appreciate the explanation and the prompt reply. Keep up the great work on your channel.

[@A1Bokeh]

I use a moza air and would use a sigma 16mm worked great!

[@rgersh]

Hey man, long time no see! Please return to KZbin, miss your videos and thoughts a lot!

[@KimCruz1]

dude thanks so much! I've been dealing with lots of stuff since I last posted, but I'm actually working on something at the moment! Hoping to release it soon and thanks for the encouragement man!!

[@rgersh]

@@KimCruz1 Good luck with dealing with any issues and all the best to you and your family!

[@mitchtownsend6423]

im upgrading from iphone filming. should i get the lumix g7. also idk why but i havent subbed after i used to watch ur vids. please come back

[@KimCruz1]

dude... eerie coincidence I'm actually making a video related to this topic and i actually AM coming back lol!! but to your question, man it really depends on what you want to do- filmaking is huge! but as a general guideline, I know the G7 looks like a sweet deal, but in 2019, i'd steer you away from that one for now. if you're just getting into all of this, i would look at these cameras: Sony A6100, Canon M6ii and the G85. The sony is a great overall package- mic jack, good video autofocus, probably best image quality of the bunch. cons- not as many lenses as M43 and the form factor and usability is hit or miss- some people like it, some people hate it. Canon m6ii- also good package, small, and good video AF. If you're looking into shooting vlogs and generally recording yourself in the easiest way possible, go with this one or the Sony. Trust me, you'll thank me later. cons- the lens lineup is thin, like really thin and yes you can get an adapter for canon dslr lenses, but that's extra costs and weight etc. Lumix G85- the most affordable of the bunch, gives you the most options for lenses but also has worse low light performance compared to the other two. The trump card here is that IBIS (image stabilization on the sensor). when you're adapting lenses (you can use vintage glass, or other brands like canon with an adaptor) this is HUGE. scratch that, even just as a feature, this is huge for video. I have a gimbal, but since I got the G85, I hardly use it. I only use it for large movements i.e. walking down the aisle at a wedding, following a subject when i want the shot to be super super smooth etc. Otherwise, any small movements on set, i'm using the camera by itself. The main downside- terrible video AF. you cannot use video AF on this camera, you pretty much have to use manual focus, or pre set your focus before you record using AF, and then flip it manual focus. This is fine if you're behind the camera, harder if you're in front of it (although you can use the app to set focus which is what i do). Overall it's actually simple- go with Canon and sony if you prioritize video AF- if you're shooting yourself, this is a great option but remember you dont have sensor stabilization in either of these cameras, so you might have to invest in a steadycam or gimbal if you're doing client jobs. more weight, more costs. If you're more behind the camera, or you have the patience for using manual focus, or you do lots of handheld work- the G85 is your camera. At this point, the G7 may be cheaper than the rest, but then you're stuck with a camera that doesn't have good video AF, and doesn't have IBIS- which is fine if you're mostly doing youtube shots on a tripod. but trust me on this, in 2019, if you're even thinking about going handheld, IBIS my man, IBIS- 90% of the time, this is what you'll need and want over a gimbal. if this is your first camera, it's best to have it all in one package that can do most of it. i just landed and it's late so i hope this made sense and it's useful!

[@mitchtownsend6423]

@@KimCruz1 wow. thanks man will definatly look into the canon and sony

[@readysetmood9473]

Ey Kim, I know that you're not shooting with your G7 anymore but do you still remember your profiles when shooting videos with it? I really love the lumix line but when it comes to color, I think they are way behind Sony and Canon. G7 users seem pretty divided when it comes to picture profile

[@KimCruz1]

hey man sorry for the super late reply but i didn't tweak the settings too much- i normally turn down sharpening (minimum settings) and then use 'Natural'. that was pretty much it!

[@readysetmood9473]

@@KimCruz1 I'll try that! thanks man!

[@Noealz]

I never really noticed these kind of small changes =p

[@KimCruz1]

Lol it’s very small but I especially notice them in jpegs

[@Yoko.Kurama]

I think Natural setting with saturation +4 and everything else at 0 looks nice. I have a gx85

[@KimCruz1]

yeah honestly i think panasonic has improved their colors to the point that you don't even need to tweak that much on the newer bodies- with the gx9 i dont even touch those settings anymore lol!

[@gabrielalamberti5860]

I thought the G85 has whiter whites..

[@KimCruz1]

overall cooler as well

[@xerxesdanielgarcia393]

Hey, is that Mayon volcano?

[@KimCruz1]

Xerxes Daniel Garcia lol yes it is!

[@xerxesdanielgarcia393]

Are you pinoy too?

[@Began2011]

Actually had the g85 as camera A.

[@KimCruz1]

lol me too it's a great camera and overall the gx9 isn't going to replace it for any serious work or anything!

[@borispradel1037]

Nah, when you shoot raw all the development programs apply some specific parameters to your photo. Those parameters are coded in the raw file and everything being equal you can easily tell two raw files apart even after processing. Currently I'm using Panasonic, Olympus, Canon and Nikon cameras and I can easily tell their raw files apart.

[@A1Bokeh]

Is olympus better for photo than panasonic

[@borispradel1037]

@@A1Bokeh I think Olympus has better jpg colors, but I wouldn't recommend any of them now, if you are into photography (more than video) a mid-range Fujifilm will give you better jpgs, better raw files, better colors, and a similar size. If you're more into video, well Panasonic is a better option than Olympus, but now Sony and Canon are very good too. I wouldn't recommend micro-four thirds any more, with APC-s and Full Frame sensors getting chaper and lighter these days.

[@JodyBruchon]

Color science is a useless buzzword. I don't care about it. As far as I am concerned, it's all subjective and all I care about is that I personally like what I end up with. Color science complaints are like counting all of the Cheerios in your cereal bowl and getting annoyed because they didn't come out to a prime number. I have spent so much time and effort trying to get people to stop shooting flat and log footage on 8-bit cameras because it is guaranteed to hurt the footage far beyond any minor changes in colors coming from a different camera model. Until people stop shooting flat and log inappropriately, I think color reproduction in modern cameras is not a significant concern.

[@JodyBruchon]

@Claudiu Ardelean oh ho ho, you'll love my videos about shooting flat then ;-) I am pretty aggressive about trying to get people to stop doing it. It is a niche tool that requires expensive gear, lots of knowledge and experience, and a more complex and slow workflow to use properly. The people who should be doing it aren't watching KZbin camera videos. Thanks for telling everyone about your experience.

[@grisoli521]

What file.you recommend:)?

[@louisuy_]

i jus got my g7 doe 🤔

[@KimCruz1]

Lol don’t worry it’s not something you can’t fix in post! You just have to tweak it a little bit!

[@ArdiNugrohocilacap]

@@KimCruz1 how to tweak? Any link videos?

[@KimCruz1]

@@ArdiNugrohocilacap sorry man no links but plenty of videos on youtube about color grading the G7!

[@tylonblaslol]

Dude. Miss your videos! Where are you?! 😂

[@timwalker6836]

Same here!

[@KimCruz1]

thanks you guys i've been away from youtube dealing with stuff but hoping to upload soon :D

[@timwalker6836]

@@KimCruz1 Dealing with stuff is more important than uploading. Take care Kim!

[@A1Bokeh]

Gx9 quality looks quite a bit better

[@KimCruz1]

Totally agree!