Luxury Meets Performance: The Pilatus PC-24's 600-Pound Payload Boost --- The Versatile Jet

[@gailmrutland6508]

*When you are the best FLAUNT IT! Pilatus has EARNED their place in aviation.!*

[@PersonalWings]

They definitely build amazing aircraft and we've enjoyed flying them over the years! Thanks for the comment.

[@DanFrederiksen]

It's obviously a nicely finished capable plane I'm just so engineering aware by now of how much better it can be. The cabin width is about the same as a VW bus so we are talking about an extended minivan size vehicle or 2 minivans. And carbon fiber is a very strong material and ideal for a pressure tube application. PC-24 is over 5 ton empty. The fuselage done as a 2mm carbon fiber shell would be about 280kg, say the same for wings, 100kg for tail, that's 660kg, add gear and a basic floor, maybe some window weight, call it an even ton. 2mm carbon can hold 10 bar pressure. It's strong enough. It simply must be possible to make it dramatically lighter and that can't help but vastly improve some other specs. That amount of quality carbon fiber, say 1000m2 is around 30k$. Possibly less if using just "tow" laid in a mold instead of weave. A long way up to the 12-13million dollars it costs. I'm sure Williams' pricing comfort carries a good part of the blame but at some point you just have to make your own engines instead. It's not that hard as Hill helicopters is showing. Jet engines are grossly overpriced today. Alloys haven't gone up in price, machining has only gotten easier with time, they are not spending anything on R&D because FJ44 is from 1985 even though -4 is "only" 18 years old. I looked into the bearings, SKF makes some superprecision bearings for turbines, priced at a few hundred dollars each, say you need 4 in an engine. That's not where the million dollars are hidden. There is a lot of respect around jet engines but it's really just an angry space heater from 1960. Not that far removed from car turbos. The turbine Hill helicopters is making has turbine blades the size of a thumb nail. You spray fuel into a dumb chamber where it burns and it rushes out past 1 or 2 other small fans. Inconel alloy handles the heat, something they didn't even have in 1960. a jet engine is in many ways simpler to make than a piston engine. Very little wear because there is no mechanics in there, just spinning on a few bearings. No friction. The potential for cost reduction in private jets is staggering. Those cheese clock makers can cobble together an engine :)

[@brandonsmith2764]

Incredible review of the new PC-24. Thank you!

[@PersonalWings]

Brandon, we're glad you enjoyed the review. We also wrote about the new PC-24, as well as fight review on the previous version, in Twin and Turbine -- which also offers free subscription in addition to the website access which is public.

[@JeremeyHowlett]

So, if the maximum payload is 3100 lbs, this is the amount of weight it can carry safely including all passengers fuel and luggage. If the plane can carry 6 passengers approx 200 lbs that equals to 1200 lbs plus about 200lbs for luggage. That means full fuel would be 1700 lbs of jet fuel which equals out to about 250 gallons of fuel because one gallon is a little less than 7lbs. That would put this plane in the 8-12 miles per gallon range. So, if the plane is flying 500 miles per hour and the range is 2300 miles that means it would take about 4.5 hrs to reach your destination. 250 gallons divided by 4.5 hrs is approximately 55 gallons per hour burned. Each minute this plane burns about 1 gallon of fuel. Two engines running that equals 1/2 gallon of fuel per minute on each engine. This totally makes sense now. My numbers might be off a bit, please if someone else can chime in that would be great. I know they like to keep jet mpg secret that’s why they create all these fancy words and phrases to confuse people.

[@PersonalWings]

Jeremy, we generally use nm/lb of fuel with jet 'mileage' but it has to be calculated on a per trip basis due to winds, etc. Most of the time we calculate fuel per hour, using pounds for jet fuel (Jet A) and gallons for 100 LL (piston fuel). On jets in this class the fuel is stored in the wings, and tip tanks in some cases. Without looking at my PC-24 performance charts, at high altitude (FL450 - 45,000 ft) is approximately 140 gallons/hr for both engines with a True Airspeed of approximately 400-420 kts. Aircraft performance can be a bit complicated since we have a number of factors to consider, including: altitude, temperature, power settings, weight, and of course wind.

[@JeremeyHowlett]

He’s saying the full fuel payload is 1315 pounds. That means with the tanks full of fuel and one 170 lb pilot this plane can carry an additional 1315 pounds safely. The maximum payload, the amount of weight this plane can carry safely including fuel, people and cargo is 3100 lbs. 3100 minus 170 minus 1315 leaves us with 1615 pounds of fuel. Jet A kerosene weighs 6.8 pounds per gallon. 6.8 divided by 1615 is 237 gallons of fuel. This makes more sense, your calculations are saying that at 400 nautical miles approx 480 miles per hour this jet burns 140 gallons per hour. If the range is 2000 nautical miles, approximately 2300 miles, it would take around 5 hours to fly the maximum distance. 5 hours times 140 gallons of fuel is 700 gallons, this is equivalent in volume to 7 large 96 gallon garbage recycling bins. There’s no way that much fuel is stored in the wings, it’s just not possible. Also, when your flying in higher altitudes there’s very little to no winds.

[@JeremeyHowlett]

Also, this is a sharp looking jet. Hopefully they start ramping up production.

[@JeremeyHowlett]

Also , I think the 200 miles extra is because they must have added up to 20gallons more fuel storage.

[@mtnairpilot]

I think you are confusing maximum payload with maximum useful load. The PC24's useful load is roughly 7300 lbs and it carries about 6000 lbs of fuel. It has therefore a maximum payload with full fuel of about 1300 lbs. Also, I don't think anyone is being secretive about not quoting miles per gallon. It's just that it isn't a particularly useful number for airplanes. You would have to make many assumptions about taxi time, leg length, gross weight, and winds aloft.

[@danielsechrist4410]

At 15:39, when he's talking about flying them transatlantic via goose bay etc and coming into Denver / the great circle. What is he saying that sounds like "Ecaloway" is he saying "Calgary"? I'm not too familiar with the locations and with his accent, I can't understand what he said. Thanks!

[@willfly74]

He's saying Iqaluit

[@danielsechrist4410]

@@willfly74 Thanks!

[@CFJ_5N]

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[@alexendrealex577]

i absolutley love your video

[@dkflbvbh11]

For such money, you can make a higher and wider salon.

[@JavaT6437]

then different design and more costs

[@bigc208]

That would make the cross section of the fuselage “fatter”. This increases drag, slowing the aircraft down and reducing range. This is between a small and a medium size jet. Those don’t have stand up cabins unless you’re a short person. CJ4, Phenom 300, CJ3+, the usual competition, have about the same cabin height. More headroom will cost you at least 10 million more.

[@TQMouse]

Can you imagine someone having to drop a shit in that thing mid flight!!

[@PersonalWings]

very, um, personal

[@satyanarayan-og2tw]

Would the pc 24 be better than the hondajet 2600 when it is launched

[@PersonalWings]

It’s still a little too early to tell. A lot will change by the time the 2600 is launched.

[@dwaynesykes694]

Do you like runway excursions? If so, buy a HondaJet. On a more serious note, they're two different planes designed for different market niches. The HondaJet Echelon (a.k.a. 2600) also hasn't been built yet, and I don't recall but I think the 2600 range claim is _maximum_ ferry range (i.e. no pax or cargo)? I suspect that real-world performance in practical scenarios will be quite comparable given both planes are using variants of the same Williams engine; same fan, core, etc.

[@theowinosowino5814]

Are the seats heated

[@richpickett]

No, but they are very comfortable, including the flight deck.

[@tylergood9168]

NO. your mother in law still can not go. it's very sad. call the heavy lift people. they will send a boat.

[@vusumuzi_mathumo]

Can this plane fly from America to Africa?

[@PersonalWings]

It can, with stops.

[@Vladdy89]

What kind of performance does this jet provide other than landing on unpaved runways, which is really needed for special missions not for business purposes or just travel? The performance of this aircraft is inferior to the Embraer 300E, while the PC 24 has higher operating costs due to functions that a business jet does not need.

[@PersonalWings]

The Phenom 300E is indeed a very capable jet. The PC-24 has some attributes that surpass the 300E. The cockpit is much more comfortable in the PC-24, all baggage is in a heated and pressurized compartment aft of the cabin. The capability of landing on unimproved runways, while it does provide more utility for a number of customers that require that ability, also translates into a great short field, and contaminate runway capability. I enjoy flying the 300E, as well as other jets so it is very nice to have options!

[@BaxterretxaB]

The baggage door size is huge for Medivac companies. My local Medivac company just ditched all their citations with the expensive wide door and went to the more versatile PC24

[@PersonalWings]

@@BaxterretxaB That has been one of the best features of the PC-12 and PC-24. It is one reason that the Royal Flying Doctors and other groups love the planes. After the Haiti earthquake in 2010, I borrowed a PC-12 and flew almost nonstop for 10 days carrying everything from x-ray machines, tents, to children with amputations to the US for care. They are amazing aircraft. personalwings.com/?s=haiti

[@jerryuma]

The embraer 300 is no competitor to the PC 24. Dont be dumb.

[@PersonalWings]

@@BaxterretxaB What region do y’all serve?

[@edrodven]

Where is the washroom or do you not have one? Nice place design is amazing but an executive jet without a washroom is no an executive jet.

[@01tj007]

16.59 is the answer to your question

[@bagels377]

Watch the video

[@andreaskasper1020]

You shit in the middle of the gangway into a toi toi, stored just below the galley.

[@lucetothebridge]

Too narrow and to low in my opinion, apps. 20 inch wider and higher will be perfect!

[@bigc208]

No problem sir. That’ll double the price to $20 million and gets you a Embrear Praetor 500. Enjoy!

[@stevemyers2092]

so you added 600 lb of fuel but you have no more range? hmmmmmmmm that doesn't pass the hmmmm test.

[@PersonalWings]

That isn't what we showed - look at 1:02. Payload increased by 600 lbs and maximum range has increased slightly.

[@pwm8277]

Horrible space

[@PersonalWings]

What business jet do you fly? Let us know what characteristics of the jet you fly or own and how it compares. We’ve flown the PC-24, and a number of other jets, and find the Pilatus interior and the jet itself to be an excellent aircraft

[@uladzimirsokalau4717]

It's outdated interior design

[@PersonalWings]

What would make it modern? Black?

[@JULIAN-KEIZER]

The shitter in the galley is stupid as hell. When they make a single pilot jet that has 6ft tall cabin, I'll rob a bank, learn to fly and buy one 😂

[@beechcraftkingair3799]

It’s worked for the PC-12 for years

[@bigc208]

It’s actually brilliant. You use that shitter only very sporadically. Waste of space really 99% of the time. That huge baggage area is one of the main selling points, next to its off reading ability. Only issue I have with its placement is eventually odors when that partition comes back down.

[@kendallevans4079]

Sooooo....You'er not really !ncreas!ng the payload at all !f !t be!ng used for the add!t!onal fuel load

[@richpickett]

Now you have either an increase in fuel payload, or passengers/cargo. It was important for the PC-24 which the previous versions were somewhat limited compared with their competitors.

[@kendallevans4079]

@@richpickett 👍