Lydian Infantry | Historical Warfare

[@goshlike76]

Lydia and Phrygia are some of my favourite entities and I am really sad that we don't know much more about them.

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

I think because they are so close to the ancient Greeks, people just often think of them as ancient greeks, even though they werent.

[@goshlike76]

@@AncientHistoryGuy I am from Greece and we are taught that they were different but heavily influenced from the ancient Greek culture, yet maintained some oriental elements. As for Phrygians due to the many similarities in language, they are considered as a "cousin", but still different.

[@ozgurpeynirci4586]

​@@goshlike76why then greeks claim they are natives of anatolia then if lydians were not greek by their own admission? Is this not hypocrisy?

[@goshlike76]

@@ozgurpeynirci4586 This is just dumb and pointless. Many modern Greeks can trace their origins in Anatolia. After the population exchange, everyone who was Christian and spoke Greek was transferred here. Afterwards, the ancient Greeks were natives of the western Anatolian coasts. and they coexisted with Lydians and Phrygians. The Hellenization of Anatolia was completed only with Alexander the Great. However, back then there wasn't any sign of nationalism. This is just a 19th century construct. If you ask me, hypocrisy is for the Turks to call themselves Turks and not Anatolians. Trying to prove that they come from Central Asia, but in reality they are the descendants of the locals, who simply converted to Islam and adopted the Turko-Persian culture of the Seljuks and later Ottomans.

[@nathanefflame2600]

@@ozgurpeynirci4586 i guess you mistaken period, form the Lydian and Phrygian time greek was present in anatolia but on the shore, after the conquest of alexander 3 centurys after the fall of lydian empire anatolia gradually become greek and at the 5 th century all anatolia speak greek this fell around middle age when turkic nomadic setup in anatolia as ruling class, but still people remain majority greek culture, this end in 1920 by a massive population exchange.

[@salkoharper2908]

Lydian civilization is very interesting. Did you know they were the 1st know people to Mint Silver Coins. Would you do a video on the Illyrian civilizations and tribes. The Illyrian, Thracian and Anatolian tribes in the Greek sphere are just as interesting and have a rich history, culture and myths.

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

did a video on electum coins! They also had some rather interesting post marriage customs. Lydia is basically a completely foreign world the more you delve into it.

[@theromanorder]

Ohh, nice one... I love the ones on the less known emppires and units

[@RightSide-kl5vj]

Ah, yet another channel to watch blow up like crazy !

[@russellchristopherrobin3210]

Great to see an informative video on a culture not already excessively covered by other history-Tubers! (looking at you Rome 🤮)

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

Yes I want to do more on the Lydians tbh

[@visegradi]

Hey i wondered if you could make a video on the Thorakitai swordsmen of the Hellenistic era. Would be interesting to hear about how they were used alongisde the Phalangites and maybe how they can be considered as "Imitation legionaries" as the Romans claimed.

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

i will at somepoint, a majority of the next few videos will be focused on Ancient Italy (etruscans, Samnites, very early Rome, and some on Tarentine and Syracuse)

[@cunctator239]

Thanks for the video! Were Lydians really interested in using infantry units? Herodotus said that their cavalry was extremely powerful. For example Cyrus was afraid of Lydian cavalry in the battle near Sardis. So I guess that Lydian infantry actually was not consisted of lydians, who fought as an elite warriors on horses, but of mercenaries (ionians, aeolians, carians and others), which were popular in armies (we remember Archilochus).

[@russellchristopherrobin3210]

Always prefer your longer videos

[@theromanorder]

Hey josh I just had a fun idea if you ever want to do something different... The vernesain republic.. You could talk about that city state from the fall of the empire The thing i can't find anything on KZbin about is there government .. Im told there a government but idk how it works

[@mojungle3054]

Have you thought about making some of these lesser known empires into mods for Rome 2?

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

I have but unfortunately my 3d modeling skills are limited to buildings!

[@Youngblood457]

What was that shields name again?

[@dmitritelvanni4068]

Lydia was ultimate brought down by stevia addiction idk.

[@oliverschoneck7750]

so the swords were basically proto falxes?

[@salkoharper2908]

Yes, although more similar in shape/size to a Sica. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sica

[@cal2127]

do you have a source on the lydian spangenhelm?

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

Yup! The actual paper which details the helmet is called "A Helmet of the Sixth Century B. C. from Sardis" although its a bit of a pain to get online for free. Alternatively theres this i've just found here: sardisexpedition.org/en/artifacts/latw-211

[@cal2127]

​@@AncientHistoryGuyty so much. that site is a gold mine!

[@beepboop204]

[@MaeviousPachatourides]

lovely

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

thankyou!

[@samwill7259]

If they're gonna call it the Bell Curass then I'm gonna grab a mallet and see what kind of noise I can make! I will instantly get stabbed, but still!

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

Hahaha use a war mallet send them flying and score a home run!

[@samwill7259]

@@AncientHistoryGuy Man can you imagine being the guy who specifically uses a warhammer to ring the bell curasses of enemies? THAT is a guy who goes down in history.

[@dylanadvyt9769]

Guys Hittite stuff lol love hittites

[@Fatherofheroesandheroines]

What?

[@dylanadvyt9769]

@@Fatherofheroesandheroines i like them

[@micahistory]

interesting, i have never seen anyone cover this befoire

[@AncientHistoryGuy]

Trying to find the information was an effort I'll tell you that!

[@micahistory]

@@AncientHistoryGuy where did you find it?

[@jamreal18]

You should make playlist for these Greek Warriors. It might become reference when CA make Classical Greece in the future.😊

[@maiorproposita9957]

Lydiana are not Greek they are Anatolians