Lying In Ambush For Ten Days Waiting For A Road Convoy

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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews
@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 жыл бұрын
Great story of bravery.
@talltexan6432
@talltexan6432 2 жыл бұрын
Please remind me. What is the name of the most modern, economic powerhouse, first world country that the U.S. and Britain replaced Rhodesia with? I can't seem to find it.
@lotharvonrichthofen4474
@lotharvonrichthofen4474 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@obriets
@obriets Жыл бұрын
Zim (V. ) To destroy a country; to wreck; to bugger; to commit genocide; to put an incompetent in charge. Ex1. I’m going to Zim you up. Ex2. He got ten years for rape and Zim.
@andrewhunter180
@andrewhunter180 Жыл бұрын
Read your history as to what happened and what other countries said
@Coconutscott
@Coconutscott Жыл бұрын
Just call it The Beggars Bowl.
@mikerilling6515
@mikerilling6515 5 ай бұрын
ZimmGhetto
@AnnE-mn8ny
@AnnE-mn8ny 2 жыл бұрын
"Whoever goes and sits in the rain for 10 days?" Answer, the Rhodesian SAS! Great interview and respect to our then young men for their bravery, skill and persistence regardless of conditions.
@HistoricMilitaryInterviews
@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 жыл бұрын
I am glad you enjoyed it.
@hudsonchalmers6504
@hudsonchalmers6504 2 жыл бұрын
Salute Ian, As a territorial attached to 5RR we greatly appreciate the heat you took off us part timers. Thanks again
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@peterwallace7015
@peterwallace7015 2 жыл бұрын
Really interesting stories which we never knew about at that time. He is a really interesting guy and a straight talker.
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback.
@ianmackenzie388
@ianmackenzie388 2 жыл бұрын
I never said there were armoured cars on board, I said we didn't know what was on board. The vehicles destroyed in the ambush were part of the shipment. It had been suggested that armoured vehicles were included but they weren't.
@peterwallace7015
@peterwallace7015 2 жыл бұрын
@@ianmackenzie388 Hi Ian, Not sure where someone said about armoured cars but all you ever said was perhaps the truck you took out with the RPG was laden with explosives by the way it blew up and the other most likely ammo by the way ammo was cooking off. Coming back to Umtali from Melsetter one afternoon we passed a number of well spaced out army vehicles heading south perhaps 30 k's out of Umtali that was a little unusual. The trucks were flying with what looked like a 20 cal and gunner on the back. The vehicles were minutes apart rather than the normal closer together formations. I heard much later that the Scouts and SAS swapped Mozambique and Zambia operations which would have been around that time. Another time we were going down that big hill that goes down to Melsetter and a number of army trucks were coming up the hill with dozens and dozens of blacks all in a green uniform that weren't ours so I assumed had come over the border and were being taken to Grand Reef. I hope they have more interviews with you about some of your operations that you talk of without the gung ho hollywood bullshit.
@peterwallace7015
@peterwallace7015 2 жыл бұрын
@@ianmackenzie388 I see now someone commented about armoured cars so explains your comment which of course you never said anything about armoured cars. Ignore my next comment part where I have now caught up.
@xray6667
@xray6667 2 жыл бұрын
Hate that Zionist Kissinger to this day.I used to Bunk school and skivy for SAS guys for Souvenirs from SAS guys.They used to play Tennis and swim at our house.Best Country in the World till the Commie Looters got handed the Country.
@andrewmossop6241
@andrewmossop6241 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, the shame I felt for being British at that time, The performance of the Rhodesian forces was extemporary throughout the campaign. god bless you all, incidentally as a serving soldier in the British=h forces we were often briefed on your tactics and field craft.
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting
@robertosmith3556
@robertosmith3556 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of Brits joined the Rhodesian Army so don’t be ashamed
@andrewmossop6241
@andrewmossop6241 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertosmith3556 I know and knew some, my shame is for our elected politicians at the time, of which I voted for!
@arotogtech
@arotogtech 2 жыл бұрын
Was there any difference in quality between the British SAS soldier and the Ehodesian SAS soldier in this war in terms of performance and the standards SAS soldiering? Where the selous scous any better? Wat was the notable difference between the tactics and fieldcraft and which was better?
@andrewmossop6241
@andrewmossop6241 2 жыл бұрын
@@arotogtech Good question, perhaps you should ask The SAS that question. I do know the SAS were tree hopping in the 60's, and that the Selous Scouts were jumping at 200 feet, from what i have read about rapid insertion and the tactics thereafter were similar to what the SAS might employ. not forgetting the SAS were primarily for reconnaissance, offensive actions may have been employed as part of a combined action later.
@hstwodrainage.1410
@hstwodrainage.1410 Жыл бұрын
I was in the Eastern Highlands of Rhodesia at the time, and do remember the rain at that time.
@obriets
@obriets Жыл бұрын
I don’t think there was anyone that Kissinger didn’t sell out: South Vietnam, South Africa, Rhodesia, Greece, Cyprus, Chile, Bangladesh, East Timor, Portugal, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, and now Ukraine. All of them suffered from this man’s machinations.
@stevemorrisby6705
@stevemorrisby6705 2 ай бұрын
How on earth has Kissinger got anything to do with Ukraine.
@pieterhuberts4230
@pieterhuberts4230 2 ай бұрын
He was just the front man doing the bidding of the Rothschilds etc of this world
@Tomkkat15
@Tomkkat15 5 ай бұрын
Given what happened with the Gukurahundi, hats off for the brave Rhodesian special operators who did all they could to delay the massacres to come. Thank you for your service to the whole West - how ashamed we are now. Great work in documenting these first-person accounts of under-reported history!
@HistoricMilitaryInterviews
@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 5 ай бұрын
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@moisesaguirre515
@moisesaguirre515 2 жыл бұрын
These dudes were straight up killing machines. I have to respect that. Fighting in such unequal terms and never surrendering is definitely admirable even if I disagree with the ultimate goal of the Rhodesian military
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback.
@whenwe9168
@whenwe9168 2 жыл бұрын
My dad was in the Rhodesian SAS so proud of him
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback and sharing your story about your Dad.
@darryljanson5141
@darryljanson5141 Жыл бұрын
Yes we were shifted around the whole country always into the HOT SPOTS! Right in the middle of the action ! Thus was always put into a new school every 3 months
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews Жыл бұрын
@@darryljanson5141 Thanks for sharing
@tazzinasellout7968
@tazzinasellout7968 Жыл бұрын
Scrivo dall Italia. Nel 1993 ho prestato servizio nell Esercito Italiano e ho partecipato alla missione ONUMOZ in Mozambico. Il campo del nostro battaglione Alpini, era nei pressi della città di CHIMOIO, sul CORRIDOIO DI BEIRA. Mentre costruivamo l accampamento militare, trovammo molti reperti militari ( AK-47, munizioni e perfino un obice). Seppi in seguito che quel campo ,era stato il teatro di una importante Battaglia del SAS RHODESIANO contro i guerriglieri ZIMBABWANI ,appoggiati dal FRELIMO Mozambicano. Ultimamente ho letto un libro di BARBARA COLE,dove viene raccontata e illustrata proprio LA BATTAGLIA DI CHIMOIO,e allora ho collegato il tutto. Spero di essere riuscito a spiegare e di ricevere, chissà qualche PARTICOLARE su questa Battaglia ( se non ricordo male, avvenne nel 1976). Un saluto dall Italia. Grazie! Ps: durate la missione ONUMOZ, sono stato di guardia l oleodotto di DONDO e vicino BEIRA....inoltre scortavamo il treno fino a MAFORGA,sul confine con attuale ZIMBABWE .
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews Жыл бұрын
Translation: I write from Italy. In 1993 I served in the Italian Army and participated in the ONUMOZ mission in Mozambique. The camp of our Alpini battalion was near the city of CHIMOIO, on the BEIRA CORRIDOR. While building the military camp, we found many military artifacts (AK-47, ammunition and even a howitzer). I later learned that that field had been the scene of an important battle of the RHODESIAN SAS against the ZIMBABWANI guerrillas, supported by the Mozambican FRELIMO. I recently read a book by BARBARA COLE, where THE BATTLE OF CHIMOIO is told and illustrated, and then I connected everything. I hope I managed to explain and to receive, who knows, some DETAILS about this Battle (if I remember correctly, it happened in 1976). Greetings from Italy. Thank you! Maybe some listeners can comment.
@colinmacnicol513
@colinmacnicol513 2 жыл бұрын
Just one correction there is no railway line between Maputo and Beira. Looks like it all happened on the Tete line. Brave men. Respect.
@ianmackenzie388
@ianmackenzie388 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think I suggested a rail link between Maputo and Beira. There never has been a direct link. The line went inland from Maputo and north via Gaza province to Tete.
@colinmacnicol513
@colinmacnicol513 2 жыл бұрын
maputo malvernia not linked to beira umtali tete marrameau
@gordonshaw5381
@gordonshaw5381 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting talk thanks
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Glad you enjoyed it
@nickread2833
@nickread2833 2 жыл бұрын
These guys were awesome
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@MrFelipefelop
@MrFelipefelop 7 ай бұрын
Many thanks to historic military interviews,without it history is lost on an introspective and probably an introverted guy. Thank you I am still looking for someone that was involved in this conflict,without any success so far,thank you so much
@HistoricMilitaryInterviews
@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 7 ай бұрын
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@gordonshaw5381
@gordonshaw5381 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting chat thanks
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@im9282
@im9282 2 жыл бұрын
Best bush fighters and trackers in the world .
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@hennies9509
@hennies9509 Жыл бұрын
Hahahahaa.....
@Mark-nk8xi
@Mark-nk8xi 6 ай бұрын
Great talk..
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 5 ай бұрын
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@neddonkin1608
@neddonkin1608 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of interesting memories. But the railway line from Maputo went to Malvernia. The other railway line was from Beira to Umtali (paid for by Rhodes). It was not possible to send military equipment by rail from Maputo to Manica Province or Tete. So this raises the question as to which railway bridge and ravine was he referring to?
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@almudenaaznarsainz
@almudenaaznarsainz Жыл бұрын
The bridge at Mutarara on the Beira Tete railway.
@charlesgurajena8151
@charlesgurajena8151 Жыл бұрын
On several occasions in Musikavanhu sector we managed to smash these ambushes.
@MrFelipefelop
@MrFelipefelop 7 ай бұрын
How many people on here cant say anything after seeing,hearing and understanding this whatsoever. Its a travesty of justice of what has happened to a wonderful country,i always loved the makuti area,the lions and elephants attacking us, the matopas hills, springvale and ruzawi
@iansmith4636
@iansmith4636 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
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@37seano
@37seano 2 жыл бұрын
What a brilliant deep knowledge !
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@nickdarr7328
@nickdarr7328 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone here watch Five Romeo Romeo? Its a KZbin channel by a Rhodesian soldier who was primarily in a tracking group in the 5th Rhodesian Regiment. He has a series on Rhodesian history. In the early days there were border issues and then conflict with the Portuguese in Mozambique. Well a captain Forbes ended up invading Mozambique and was about 2 days from the port of bira. Imagine if Rhodesia had that corridor and its own port. Then youd have a north and south Mozambique. The south would have been protected by Rhodesia. If Rhodesia had its own port who knows what could have been
@barbaracurrie3187
@barbaracurrie3187 2 жыл бұрын
Huge respect. Silent and deadly!
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@mamluki7160
@mamluki7160 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with Ian 100%. We could have gone on militarily but as we had zero support politically and we could not match the Chinese and Soviet funding of ZANU and ZIPRA, it was doomed to fail under those conditions. As a caveat, I would say this. If we did hold out until Thatchers second election in 82 and Reagan's Presidency in 81, there is no doubt in my mind that our sanctions issue would have calmed and covert action support and supply would have come from the CIA/SIS from both parties. The Communist success in Southern Africa was a massive blow to both, instead of backing us during those times, they decided to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan instead. That could have been our front if we just held on for another 3 years.
@shonaboy7554
@shonaboy7554 2 жыл бұрын
If you held on another 3 years do you think Rhodesia would still be present?
@mamluki7160
@mamluki7160 2 жыл бұрын
@@shonaboy7554 Interesting concept. I believe Rhodesia would have changed its name to appease the World stage and embrace the Shona heritage, maybe we would have kept Rhodesia-Zimbabwe i'm not sure. What I do think is we would have got to a position between 1980 to 95 where we would have found shared ground and shared leadership, maybe on a Lebanese form of governance where all cultures and religions are represented at the top and the leadership must rotate between the different factions. I am 100% positive the slaughter of the 20K would not have happened, neither the starvation and hypo inflation. Education and economic reforms would have united the country by the end of the 90's and with technology being what it was and is, we could have brought the rural kids into a good school system and created infrastructure programs for their parents to work. Who knows how great it could have been. Sadly, we will never know.
@mamluki7160
@mamluki7160 2 жыл бұрын
@@Klopp2543 You clearly have zero knowledge or understanding of Rhodesia or Africa for that matter. Rhodesia was not "centuries" old for a start, it was barely 100 years, we did not segregate the population, that was South Africa. We have black and white regiments, mixed regiments, mixed officers and we were and are natives of Africa. We were born there as were our parents, grandparents on and on. Your ignorance of African history and your tone shows us you are a clear racist and full of hate towards all that makes our continent great. We freed the Shona. Remember that. If it was not for the White Rhodesians, the Shona would have been slaves and no doubt out populated and eventually slaughtered by the Matabele. Your welcome.
@kanderson4417
@kanderson4417 Жыл бұрын
Yeah another reason to to blame the incompetent Carter administration.
@angloaust1575
@angloaust1575 Жыл бұрын
South africa withdrew their support due to usa pressure Apartheid is OK in Israel but not in Africa!
@WorkWork-u6d
@WorkWork-u6d Ай бұрын
Today, my farm in Moz is very close to where Operation Eland took place. Raid on Nhazonia basis.
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@Aachim1963
@Aachim1963 Жыл бұрын
Can you put your book in audible book form? eg. On the Audible App?
@joejoe809
@joejoe809 2 жыл бұрын
Great War stories 👍👍
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@trevorpalmer1891
@trevorpalmer1891 2 жыл бұрын
Salute SAS fine Soldiers!
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@kenfragnicholl-sh6so
@kenfragnicholl-sh6so 4 ай бұрын
Respect
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@alive4627
@alive4627 2 жыл бұрын
Respect!
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@workingwithsnakes.2143
@workingwithsnakes.2143 2 жыл бұрын
So Mugabe was bringing in armoured cars????? Anyway good story Ian ,I like how generally honest you are,for the first time I hear someone admitting that Zanla forces were more of a threat than Zipra..more life Ian.
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@fraseredk7433
@fraseredk7433 Жыл бұрын
Ndabaningi Sithole was the 4th party to the Internal Settlement.
@WorkWork-u6d
@WorkWork-u6d Ай бұрын
Can the author be more clear on exactly where the ambush was and where the bridge.
@HistoricMilitaryInterviews
@HistoricMilitaryInterviews Ай бұрын
We will speak to Ian for more clarity.
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews Ай бұрын
We checked with Ian, he said it was 8 to 10 K's north of Gutu. The exact position can be identified by a tall column of yellow granite.
@MrMuzo321
@MrMuzo321 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting....
@chrismoll6862
@chrismoll6862 2 жыл бұрын
Good man
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@stevemorrisby6705
@stevemorrisby6705 2 ай бұрын
There was no rail line between Maputo and Beira!
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@avionics21
@avionics21 Жыл бұрын
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@hennies9509
@hennies9509 Жыл бұрын
Should ask Sierra Whiskey about this about all this info.
@jerrylopez1810
@jerrylopez1810 2 жыл бұрын
Lest we forget
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@arotogtech
@arotogtech 2 жыл бұрын
Was there any difference in quality between the British SAS soldier and the Ehodesian SAS soldier in this war in terms of performance and the standards SAS soldiering? Where the selous scous any better?
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting question and I am sure often debated.
@SeanFinland
@SeanFinland Жыл бұрын
The selous scouts had a different role to play. One main role was pseudo operations gathering information on insurgents location. You can't compare the two. They were both top in what they did. There are books available on both and also KZbin talks from both units available.
@3pipper
@3pipper Жыл бұрын
~ R E S P E C T~
@hudsonchalmers6504
@hudsonchalmers6504 Жыл бұрын
TR48 had to put up a Sputnik. Heavy beast. Batteries did not last
@stevemorrisby6705
@stevemorrisby6705 2 ай бұрын
No. The TR48 was HF and used a dipole or the 2m whip. The A63 or A76 were VHF and used a so called "sputnik"
@calummackenzie1797
@calummackenzie1797 2 ай бұрын
​@stevemorrisby6705 nope.TR48, besides the 'whip' aerial also had a sputnik. Never had a sputnik for my A63 or A76, only a goose neck & 30cm aerial
@stevemorrisby6705
@stevemorrisby6705 2 ай бұрын
@@calummackenzie1797 I stand by my comment. I suspect it is a terminology issue. An HF sputnik at 6Mhz would be over 10m tall.
@calummackenzie1797
@calummackenzie1797 2 ай бұрын
@@stevemorrisby6705 the sputnik was an aluminium 'spider' attached by a co-ax cable. You had a weight attached to a length of para cord which you tossed over the branch of of a tree & hoisted the sputnik up. I was never issued with a sputnik for the A63 or 76. These were ' small means' carried by the stick & had a range of 20-40 kms without having to use a relay station. The TR48 (big means) was usually back at Base camp with comms direct to the JOC. Carried it many times in Ghonarezhou because of lack of comms with our small means.( A30 radio- absolute piece of shit )
@stevemorrisby6705
@stevemorrisby6705 2 ай бұрын
@@calummackenzie1797 Must have been a mighty big tree!
@fraseredk7433
@fraseredk7433 Жыл бұрын
Cranborne (not Cranbourne).
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the correction.
@arotogtech
@arotogtech Жыл бұрын
It's reported that there existed a fierce rivalry between the SAS and the Rhodesian Light Infantry. Its said the RLI were of the position that they were by far a better, efficient and hard hitting killing machine than the SAS and they accounted for more kills and that the SAS was not overly special or superior to them. Did this hold water? Some reporters said the combination of the Selous Scouts and the RLI shamed the SAS for this type of war, but its also Said the SAS were more professional than the Selous Scouts. What's your opinion about this?
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@HistoricMilitaryInterviews Жыл бұрын
This is probably an often asked question but I think impossible to answer. How do you measure effectiveness and success of a unit and how do you compare one unit to another must be one of the most debated points? In Vietnam the number of killed enemy was used as a measure of success and this is still debated to this day as to whether this was a true measure of success or not. I will pose an example: A reconnaissance unit is tasked with going 200 km behind enemy lines and spends three weeks collecting information on enemy activity. A second unit is doing convoy protection and gets ambushed and kills 10 enemy in the subsequent firefight. Which is the more successful unit out of the two? To me they were both successful in carrying out the objectives set for them. The Selous Scouts, RLI and the SAS were all great units and all soldiers who fought in them must be proud of what they achieved under challenging circumstances. Historic Military Interviews tries to recognise all experiences of the everyday soldier on the ground and pay respect to them all. It will be great to hear what other listeners think?
@arotogtech
@arotogtech Жыл бұрын
@@HistoricMilitaryInterviews Your answer is a very logical and well articulated one. True, all units were key and did outstanding things in their respective way of doing things..... the Rivalry i was referring to was to be taken the the context of being better than the other, being more highly trained..... you notice, the SAS man and his selection course was very different from the RLI commando man. The SAS was looking for the most motivated and certain type of a Troop and SAS selection adverts and other material would refer the SAS as the most highly trained soldier/unit even considering the RLI standards. In most respects, the SAS man viewed himself/themselves as better capable and more highly trained than the commando and often referred the same about themselves. To make themselves a very special unit that separated themselves from the rest. In this sense, the commandos with disdain would also put their position that SAS in direct action combat was in many ways inferior to the RLI. Ita said the SAS were referred to as true special forces whilst the RLI more cutting edge Infantry. I hope you get what I mean. Then the Selous Scouts came about with even a tougher selection course and also manned by ex SAS men. So conclusively its a tough one, but my opinion is that SAS where good at what they did and that all the three distinct special forces where all elite and that at what they did perhaps nobody could better them. But the rivalry as to who was more respected, more deadly and elite still rings on until today.
@jurgen7579
@jurgen7579 7 ай бұрын
You cant compare. SAS could operate (mostly external) independantly. RLI/Fire Force could not operate without information gathered by Selous, RR, Support Unit, Intaf, Guard Force, SB,BSAP who patroled, followed up, OPs, ambushed. "We" did the day by day (and night) work to find the Gooks and passed the information to Fire Force. I called in a No of times FF, mainly in the Mt Darwin/Bveke area, when they were available....do you think that we were ever mentioned. Of course RLI had the top kills...they were sipping tea in Mt Darwin..in the meantime we did the main work...finidng the Gooks.
@richardmoloney689
@richardmoloney689 2 жыл бұрын
They sorted the natives.
@GilbertEmeric
@GilbertEmeric 4 ай бұрын
So Zipra had the Soviets, Zanla had the Chinese, Rhodesia had SA for a while much to my dismay. SA had to contend with the Soviets, Chinese, the collective west.
@mikerilling6515
@mikerilling6515 5 ай бұрын
Rhodesia became ZimmGhetto
@DistinguishedMenofCulture
@DistinguishedMenofCulture 3 ай бұрын
Stop blaming America America was on your side The problem was LBJ in 1960s and Jimmy Carter there at the end
@WorkWork-u6d
@WorkWork-u6d Ай бұрын
History has proven that you can't trust the yanks. Neither the Brits when Labour in charge in particular. South Africa, Forster betrayed Rhodesia. But the evil was Carter, Kissinger and Crocker.
@jaylam
@jaylam 2 жыл бұрын
When you speak to ZANU War veterans in Zimbabwe they describe how they really frustrated Rhodesian forces. Zimbabwe is really big and Gov forces were spread thin and regularly got ambushed in similar ways. They got to a point where they were definitely losing the war these last skirmishes he describes in the video were really a last ditch; Smith was really in a corner. Even by the time air support got to places, liberation forces were usually long gone. The numbers of liberation forces were just too much.
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@mamluki7160
@mamluki7160 2 жыл бұрын
Thats the funniest thing I have ever heard. Utter trash, the boys were ready to take out Mugabe and Co. the moment the word came to move to Zim-Rhodesia but the likes of Ken Flowers and his poisonous ilk betrayed Rhodesia and all Rhodesians and sold the people of our nation into impoverishment, starvation and corruption for the next 40+ years. You are born and raised in the UK Jay, I can tell from your accent on your channel. Maybe a father or mother from Rhodesia?. Let me ask you, if ZANU and Mugabe did such a cracking job why did your family flee to the comforts of the UK? did they teach you about the so called achievements of ZANU?. Have you ever lived in Zim or just visited your relatives there?. We mopped the floor with ZANU and ZIPRA time and time again. The one and only reason Rhodesia came to an end is down to sanctions and pressure from the USA, Kissinger and treacherous actions of the UK and their imperial mindset over colonials like us. Thats all. Militarily, we could have gone on for another twenty years. We never stole the lands from anyone, in fact, we liberated the Shona from the slavery of the Matabele. We paid for our lands, under crown warrant or with service.
@jaylam
@jaylam 2 жыл бұрын
@@mamluki7160 What’s crazy is I don’t completely refute what you’re saying either. It’s like Vietnam where Zanu actually used a lot of young kids as cannon fodder and much of what I said is from ex guerillas. Another plot twist my uncle said was the majority of deaths on these guerillas was hunger in those Mozambican camps as they were in terrible conditions. Another uncle explained how their goal was to constantly frustrate Rhodesian forces constantly to a point it was becoming very difficult to contain and keep the pressure for as you say for Western countries to force the government into negotiations rather than win militarily. Proportionally, the very small minority white population lost more people than what America lost in Vietnam even though they destroyed far more guerrillas who were throughly terrible, the pain was being felt making the war increasingly intolerable. Nope I wasn’t born in the UK I actually have very strong Zim upbringing but back to the point Rhodesian forces and law enforcement were actually very good but Zim is huge and the Rhodesian gov couldn’t sustain a campaign over years as you say with the majority of the population against them. The biggest regret however in my view was the hand over of the country to a government ill equipped to govern. All the expertise and strength of the economy was wiped out. There could have been a Hong Kong style handover. Rhodesia has been described as tactics without strategy where battles were won but the war was lost. Trying to keep a backwards ideology in power with so few was never going to work. Also Zimbabwe today has neither strategy no tactics. I think your only mistake is making a lot of assumptions about me.
@mamluki7160
@mamluki7160 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaylam A refreshing and well versed prose Jay. You have clearly lived in the UK for a long time then, your accent sounds British 100%, not a hint of Rhodie in you. Ok, so you are taking the account of family members, I get that. Their pain and loss during the war was horrific, no doubt about it. You called the Smith policies "backwards ideology", what you might not know is that we were open to shared leadership and combined rule with set positions for top tier shared management in the government, military and state owned business. Just like we saw in the security forces and army in the late 70's. Black officers commanding white soldiers and NCO's. What we did not accept or understand was the arrogance and lets face it, ignorance of the British Government of the time (circa 58 to 67) that we must immediately handover control and leadership to the black majority. We had seen what had happened in Nigeria and Kenya and could see the Biafra war coming, independence all over Africa, leading to bloodshed and suffering for the indigenous whites and blacks of those lands. Smith, rightly so, chose to make our own path into independence and governance. If it was not for the likes of the USSR and USA/UK, I am positive we as African and European Rhodesians would have created a legacy of true shared democracy in Southern Africa given enough time. By that, I mean 15 to 20 years of true reform. Education, infrastructure project management positions and leadership development for those black Rhodesians that passed muster, just like white Rhodie's had to. To hand it over in 65 without taking any critical measures to prevent calamity would have been a travesty. Sadly, Blighty spat the dummy, "how dare those colonials decide whats best for them", from then on, it was curtains. Their anger and arrogance in our decision to go it alone opened the doors for the likes of China and the Soviet Union to come in and corrupt the mindset of our black academics, egomaniacs like Mugabe were easy pickings. They did not give a crap about black Rhodesians or their so called plight, it was just another proxy force to harass the West. Where was the Soviet Union post 80? or when Mugabe decided to slot 20.000 black Zimbabweans in 82/83? and go on to starve the rest. This would never have happened under Rhodesian rule. As I said, we freed the Shona from slavery after all. I wish you all the best china, your uncles old comrades are repeating history it seems and the UK is their number one enemy in the West. Good luck and God bless. Shabbat Shalom Mo.
@jaylam
@jaylam 2 жыл бұрын
@@mamluki7160 Thank you Shabbat Shalom to you too. My upbringing in Zim was also spent at my beloved Jewish school (Carmel school) where I learnt Hebrew and would be celebrating Pesach around about this time; I miss those days. I certainly learnt a lot from you! I’ve ever got to actually sit with a a Rhodesian with a real perspective. You have to understand modern media has changed history so Im humble enough to be corrected. I hate what happened to my country and now it makes sense because the changes in Nigeria and Kenya fell apart! My little experience in the UK is the upper class Tofs hate not being bowed to so would naturally hate the decision Smith took.
@innercynic2784
@innercynic2784 3 ай бұрын
The question you have to ask yourself is just who was "financing" Mugabe? Because without the money to buy the weapons he and his ilk would never have amounted to anything.
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