M+ Assassination Rogue Guide (2500+) Mythic Plus Builds S1

[@NovaWarcraft]

*Thanks for watching and best of luck in your M+ key push!* ⚔ *EDIT:* For 1 shiv: Use last 8 seconds of Kingsbane For 2 shiv charges: one before Kingsbane and shiv again last 8 seconds of Kingsbane

[@SammyEatsYourBrain99]

as a new rouge id need a video on eneregy management, i feel like im always out of energy and cant do anything

[@st4rboyjr]

yo they updated rogue talents can you post ur raider io link or fix the import link in description

[@hillwarrior6]

This is exactly what I was looking for in a video. I used to main outlaw at start of shadowlands and then I stopped, but I’m back baby! Never played assassination so this was super helpful. Thank you!!!!!!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@rajkec11]

I've been playing an Undead rogue for 20 years now. No other classes or races. Literally 20 years of the old undead. Just came to see how many cool builds we can see to and to see if I can learn something new maybe. Your guide is great, love it!

[@NovaWarcraft]

my first rogue was Undead and I miss it sometimes haha! Thanks for the comment and I hope you have fun trying one of the builds, my personal favorite is the hybrid one now days. =)

[@rajkec11]

@@NovaWarcraft Taking the bleed one for a spin since I really love it, it's like 5% different than mine but it seems really cool :)

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@rajkec11 Glad to hear it! Let me know how it goes

[@jennifurx6176]

I have a 80 NE rogue but something just doesn’t feel right, about to lvl my undead 70 rogue to 80

[@ditisdonovan]

Beautiful guide! I really struggle comprehending rogues, but you're guide took it step by step, solid explanation. Subscribed, looking forward to more content!

[@kanor13]

Dude thank you so much for this. I love Whysper and he’s obviously a legend in the scene but the two hour long guide videos do not work at all, this is amazing

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thank you and happy to help =) Whyspr is awesome and definitely a legend, I love to watch some of the vods during the weekend when I have some downtime. Goodluck in your keys!

[@lightstealer18]

Thanks for the guide man! was struggling with doing M+ on Assassination but this has helped alot!

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@lightstealer18 Glad to hear it! I’m really happy to help if I can and thanks so much

[@Jogahammer]

I really appreciate your guide. It's really helping me learn. I'm still struggling so bad with remembering the ST rotation. I just can't, for some reason, wrap my head around the priorities of the spec. Lol

[@NovaWarcraft]

Happy to help! Its ok, I still make mistakes on it every day too, but it'll get easier the more you do it and sometimes there's just alot to juggle with the spec haha

[@AngloImperial]

Earned a sub because of the well informed information, and well explained. Gj

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thank you for your sub! I really appreciate it

[@l3imbiii]

dude your rogue content is AMAZING bro if you streamed your keys/raids i would legitimately have it on notification

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thank you so much, I appreciate the kind words and support very much. I'm looking to get streaming going in the next few weeks once I get a good speed of editing videos haha, it's taking me longer than I thought to make them

[@ghozter1]

I usually meme on "clickers" but big props for timing 10's. Thanks for the guide, as an Outlaw main my brain struggles with the whole DoT management. Completely different gameplay :P

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@ghozter1 Haha well thank you, I appreciate it! I’m the other way around, I can’t wrap my ahead around Outlaw 😆

[@sparkythechef]

Really good guide man. You broke it down well.

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thank you! =)

[@l3o643]

What a really good vidéo and its good quality, you're a pro 💪

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@l3o643 Thanks you for the support! 💪

[@dradamov]

Im impressed how professional this video editing of yours is. Props to you! Great stuff! ...ever thought of doing Outlaw guide? :3

[@Gril018]

best guide out there. damn dude

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@Gril018 Thank you!

[@ganon304]

C'est super intéressant et précis ! merci :)

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thank you!

[@alfonsknittler7697]

Nice video! Good to see a fellow clicker :) my friends are mocking me for clicking but as long as I outdmg them with less gs I’m fine. I’m at 2300 points right now and it feels like I could get higher but I’m struggling to get invites. Keep it up!

[@NovaWarcraft]

=) clickers unite! Thats awesome though you're almost nearing KSH, you'll get it. And definitely, as long as you're performing well, what can they say :P As far as the invites go, yeah when trying to pug its tough. Some days I get non stop declined, and then sometimes I get lucky for quick inv. We're a pretty good spec right now, but there are few others that are a little better and sometimes they need / want Lust specs.

[@MrBananabuster]

Hey a quick tipp for the rotation on the Hybrid build. You want to use Shiv at the last 8 Seconds of Kingsbane and not opening with it. You deal more dmg this way :)

[@NovaWarcraft]

100% you're correct! =) I didn't realize I didn't have my 2 charges there and messed that up in the video but yes definitely! Thanks for commenting in, you guys are awesome

[@vincentproud6589]

​@@NovaWarcraft Also, using deathmark is still good in AoE because it stacks kingsbane faster! :)

[@iamtheculprit]

Can we get a 11.0.5 guide? Looks like a lot of people are starting to take subterfuge now instead of supercharger. Curious to hear your thoughts.

[@kerolajqi6945]

hey thanks for the guide, btw. cool transmog, what do set/weapon u use for youre look ? :-)

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@kerolajqi6945 Thank you! After work, I’ll check and get back to you on that.

[@NovaWarcraft]

=) So the weapons are transmog to "Shard of Azzinoth" with the Demonic Tyranny illusion. The Gear is transmog to the "Lurking Specter" set

[@iExisttt]

Thank you for this guide! Looking to get into rogue as a dps alt. I really like Human but is NE the best race for rogue or am I overthinking it?

[@jhavardjonas2166]

Thanks this is a big Help, even the fact that you explained your single target & raid builds. TY soo much. What setting allows you to track your cool down (especially kingsbane) like that? This info will be greately appreciated.

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thank you and I'm happy to hear its helpful! So the Kingsbane tracker on the nameplate is from the addon "BigDebuffs" and you can customize it to which type of spells etc. I'm pretty sure I'm just using the default setup for it as I initially just got it for PvP.

[@jhavardjonas2166]

@@NovaWarcraft Awesome Ty

[@jhavardjonas2166]

@@NovaWarcraft Which Poisons do you run for M+?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@jhavardjonas2166 Deadly and Atrophic Poison. If running the Hybrid build with “Dragon Tempered Blades” and “Amplifying Poison” talents, you would also use Amplifying Poison + Deadly + Atrophic

[@michaelandreasen993]

nice guides dude. ive just started leveling from 70, which build do you recommend to get back into rogue dungeoning stuff?

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thank you! I honestly would recommend the hybrid build (poison bomb/ bone spike / DT blades). That way you can used to it while leveling and then by the time you're 80, you'll feel comfortable playing it and its probably our best build setup for a while.

[@user-nd7zr9wg5i]

Hello, I am mainly tank player in m+ but decided i want to "chill" as an dps and chose rogue. I might be blind or smth, but can you tell me what kind of poison to use and when? Thanknyou. Nice content btw

[@NovaWarcraft]

Hey there! Hats off to you for tanking btw! Sure, so you are always going to want to use Deadly Poison (for damage) and Atrophic Poison (for enemy reduced damage). If you're running the hybrid build with Dragon Tempered Blades talent, then you will also use Amplifying Poison + Deadly + Atrophic. Thank you also!

[@bodyspray4896]

Hey nice video!!, do you think assa rogue its the best to start with for a new rogue player? i wanna try it but kinda scared of very hard specs and do you think assa its easier than the other 2 in general for m+?

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thanks so much! This is one of the toughest questions, because I've pretty much mained assa only for so long and haven't really played the others that much. Personally I find, outlaw and the rng / proc based stuff more challenging but then others find the dot and energy management of assa more challenging. I think sub might be a little more straight forward in some ways but is more about aligning cds. I think assa is alot of fun if you like dots as a style of play

[@bodyspray4896]

@@NovaWarcraft thanks a lot for the response! i will try assa

[@monkeygolfer]

Great guide, ty

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@monkeygolfer Thank you and happy to help

[@TheThievesDen]

Awesome video. How can I get the kings bane timer on their health bar? That would be super useful!

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thanks! It’s the add on call BigDebuffs

[@staniolfyi]

thanks the content is great! i was wondering, in m+ do you ever single reapply rupture after the first round falls off if the mobs live for it, or just continue cleaving off main target?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@staniolfyi thanks so much! That’s actually a really good question and in short yes. So, there are different situations when but for example: if the big elite mob in the pack you open on is still alive I will refresh a rupture on him especially if other mobs are still up so that we can proc caustic spatter with mutilate and keep spreading splash damage. Sometimes if it’s just one non-elite mob alive with low health you can try to garrote-rupture to try and proc sudden demise but that’s more rare. Definitely always try to keep garrote and rupture up on at least one target after they fall off the first time though. I’ll upload some gameplay of keys this week so you can see it more in action

[@rjolsn]

Really informative. How do you keep garrotes/ruptures up on multiple enemies during the vanish cooldown? Just gotta target each one individually? And Deathstalker's Mark needs stealth, too.

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thanks! Yep, if you're doing a cleave fight like Council or 3rd boss Stonevault, 1st boss Mists, you'll need to manually keep them up and I try to get up full ruptures just to have the longest ticks possible. Deathstalker shouldn't need a stealth application after your initial ambush opener in theory but there are times where it seems bosses do bug out for some reason. It actually drives me crazy because you should be able to reapply with a full CP envenom after your initial DSM.

[@andrewdorscheid134]

Hey Nova - quick question for you that I'm not sure was explained in the video. In the single target boss fights, why are you using fan of knives? Thanks for the video! very informative.

[@NovaWarcraft]

I'm so sorry, I missed a few things and I will do better next time. So Fan of Knives is used when running Deathstalker hero talent tree for the "Clear the Witness" talent. Essentially, your first Fan of Knives after applying a fresh Deathstalker's Mark does additional damage and an extra combo point and is usually cheaper energy, just as much damage and combo points as a mutilate would be. It's not a top priority but nice to weave in for ST. It's definitely really good for cleave

[@williamstrange6788]

I was wondering if using the skills for Delves is best for open world content like questing and doing random dungeons?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@williamstrange6788 You could if you like the extra vanish and such but I think as you get more gear, you’ll do much more damage with the m+ builds to be able to pull bigger if you wanted

[@juliendejoie1792]

Hey! Thanks for the well explained guide! Isn't delaying shiv once kingsbane falls below 8s when you only have one shiv more optimal? Seen this recommended alot on other guides

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@juliendejoie1792 My pleasure! Yes, you are correct: if running 1 shiv only, generally better for the last 8 seconds when it’s ramped up 👍

[@szymonpietrzyk3808]

Which one do you use right now? Or maybe there is better build for different occasions? :)

[@NovaWarcraft]

Using hybrid right now all the time =)

[@fulldrawpainting]

Question, does death mark duplicate all potions and bleeds already applied or ones applied after deathmark? Does it matter if you kingsbane first? Then deathmark, as I wander if kingsbane gets duplicated from deathmark?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@fulldrawpainting Deathmark will only duplicate rupture and garrote, and it will work if the bleeds are up or even if you put the bleeds up after. Ideally, you have them fully refreshed and up before you Deathmark. In regards to Kingsbane, it doesn’t get duplicated but the lethal poisons like deadly poison does which powers up the dot of Kingsbane.

[@fulldrawpainting]

@NovaWarcraft does Deathmark duplicate your lethal poisons that are already applied the same as garote and rupture, or only newly applied poisons after deathmark is activated? Trying to get my head around what i should have applied before using the cool downs :D

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@fulldrawpainting yep! It will duplicate your deadly and amplifying poison if it’s already up. Either way, whether you have your bleeds and poisons up or apply after Deathmark, they will get duplicated but typically would be better to have already up.

[@fulldrawpainting]

@NovaWarcraft makes sense. Thanks for the help 🙏

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@fulldrawpainting no problem! Happy to help 🫡

[@aaronyowell1123]

Love you profile logo

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thank you! I thought about changing to something more "Rogue" like because I wasn't sure, but glad you like it. I'll probably stick with it for a while then

[@traceertx]

Do you recommend the hybrid build over these two builds?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@traceertx yes, definitely recommend the hybrid build

[@traceertx]

@@NovaWarcraft awesome thank you. Played around with this build last night. Took some time to get the rotation down still missing some keys now and then in the rotation. But the burst damage is crazy. Thank you.

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@traceertx no problem! 🙂 it took me a little to adjust to it as well but oh yeah, the potential burst is awesome

[@DR-NotImportant]

Do you have to apply caustic spatter on all target with 1 mutilate or just 1 target and spam mutilate in that target?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@DR-NotImportant hi! So you only need to apply caustic spatter on 1 main target, then when you do any type of poison damage to that target, it will splatter to the other mobs. Just make sure you have rupture on main target, then mutilate once, and then you can fan of knives envenom spam

[@DR-NotImportant]

@@NovaWarcraft Thanks for the breakdown and quick response, awesome video!

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@DR-NotImportant no problem and Thank you!

[@scrimuxeek5396]

cool, ty mate :D i just have a lot of energy problem.... what can i do then?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@scrimuxeek5396 np =) what is your haste stat at? Also try to only refresh full bleeds when needed and it’s ok to let them tick while you are above 50% energy because of sanguine blades damage talent

[@scrimuxeek5396]

i have 8% haste i think🙈

[@scrimuxeek5396]

@@NovaWarcraft its 9%, and im out of energy after 1min 45sek.... (without deff cd use)

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@scrimuxeek5396 hmm maybe slightly more haste might help if you can get to 10% but I think also staggering your thistle tea uses more too. Do you remember if you tend to use them back to back a lot? I’m trying to think what it could be

[@scrimuxeek5396]

@@NovaWarcraft i use them in burst phase and when im out of energy, but then i get only enouth for maybe 3 skills

[@haydendaymon1021]

in higher keys Sudden Demise doesnt show up on my damage.... i know it still has 10% increased bleed .... but would it be worth dropping for a different talent? u metioned it but i cannot find where you said it....

[@NovaWarcraft]

Oh yeah for sure, the higher the keys, sudden demise won't proc nearly as much but the 10% bleed damage is still just a really solid damage buff. I just did a quick check and its still being taken right now by most of the Rogues on the leaderboards too.

[@haydendaymon1021]

@@NovaWarcraft they changed the rogue talents :/ idk if I like it .... Any key changes?

[@berkantalkan1955]

thanks for the build. i really like your combat text addon can you share it

[@NovaWarcraft]

No problem =) the combat text is actually just the default WoW text, no addon

[@jmanlangford4681]

Have you ever tried fully keybinding instead of clicking? I used to click back when I first started playing wow I found it better keybinding.

[@NovaWarcraft]

Hey! I have tried it a couple times in the past, I got an mmo mouse, or I tried binding everything to a keyboard and I just could never get used to the mmo mouse buttons or shapes. In my head, I know its 100% better to keybind so I would try over and over again but I eventually realized for me personally, I just couldn't get used to it and just stuck with the clicking with some binds. :(

[@NickMartinMagLoft]

@@NovaWarcraft man that's insane! We were just talking about clickers in my M+ group today. I play Sin and told them it would be impossible. I stand corrected. How you do that AND keep track of everything going on is beyond me!

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@NickMartinMagLoft haha well thank you! Honestly, I am surprised to have so much support. I put off uploading for years because of the “clicker” stigma

[@jmanlangford4681]

@@NovaWarcraft you know Big respect that you tried it didnt work but you stuck with your guns and have pushed high keys despite it, shows the dedication to making the most of the situation. was a great video earned a sub and like from me for sure :)

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@jmanlangford4681 I’m very thankful for your sub and support, it means a lot! :)

[@grzso1347]

From totally 0 to almost best M+ DPS On 11.05 path as assasin rouge :)

[@nicbra-s9w]

Is it still possoble to get the lurker specter cosmetics , if so how :D looks dope

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@nicbra-s9w hmmm, I’m not sure about that but I’ll see what I can find. The green version I have came from either awakening or pvp catalyst or something. I’ll look into it though and get back to you

[@victorgasiul5813]

I have a question about opener in hybrid build. Why after ambush-garrote-rupture we garrote again if we now have full combopoints (from serrated bone spikes i believe), so we are wasting these combopoints. Isn't it better to ambush-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote so we have spend same 5 abilities but we have some combopoints after that?

[@NovaWarcraft]

Mind-reader! You are 100% correct! Most of the time you can do this fine if you get at least 3CP back from the first rupture or the enemies are very low health mobs. If a pack of high health and not 3cp return, I like to garrote for longer ruptures on them. I am working on a video just over hybrid video right now and that is one of things I am fixing for the next video. But in short, you are correct, it would be better to garrote - rupture - rupture for aoe packs.

[@victorgasiul5813]

Cool, thanks! Indeed longer ruptures can be better in higher keys when mobs live longer.

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@victorgasiul5813 Yea definitely but you're also right with alot of times rupture rupture works good too! Thanks for commenting, this is a good one 👍

[@Torqzz]

Any videos or guides for your UI?

[@NovaWarcraft]

I haven't made any but I can do that for you if you'd like, sure thing

[@Torqzz]

@@NovaWarcraft not to go out of your way! But it seems like you have a simplified approach to the game and it looks clean.

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@Torqzz It's np! I'll try to knock that out this weekend and get that up. I definitely prefer less clutter as much as and tend to rely more on audio queues from DBM.

[@vincentproud6589]

What are your thoughts on Fatebound?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@vincentproud6589 I haven’t tried it yet to be honest. From what I’ve heard, it’s not that far behind and can still be very successful. Personally, I don’t like alot of RNG but I’ll probably need to try it at some point soon. Have you tried it?

[@vincentproud6589]

@NovaWarcraft Yeah, it'd what I run with because I don't like keeping track of the mark in m+. I find I'm doing pretty well. I just wondered if I was missing much by not going deathstalker.

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@vincentproud6589 If you're doing pretty well and like it, I say stick with it! Deathstalker's mark can be buggy at times too so I def understand.

[@immanuelmedina6136]

At 11:57 you used Thistle Tea but I saw it also activated Deathmark, is that a macro you have

[@NovaWarcraft]

Hi! So I have DM keybinded so and I clicked Thistle at the same time since Thistle Tea is not on the GCD. If you wanted to macro them you could using this though: #showtooltip Deathmark /cast Thistle Tea /cast Deathmark

[@manuakasam]

I need to know what that TMOG is

[@NickMartinMagLoft]

I think you left out Deathmark?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@NickMartinMagLoft sorry if I did! I usually go ambush>garrote>rupture> (snd)>mut till CP > trinkets potion > envenom > thistle tea > deathmark> Kingsbane > ER/mut to envenom > shiv last 8 sec of kingsbane

[@brennenrocks]

Why garrote twice on single target boss at the beginning?

[@NovaWarcraft]

Hi! So for the Hybrid Build with (bone spike talent) you don't need to, you can garrote - rupture - snd. For the bleed build in this video: I personally like to garrote - rupture - garrote to get a cheaper 3 CP for slice and dice while just refreshing the imp. garrote damage. You could mutilate instead, would be similar more up front damage, a little more energy. In short, it's basically to be able to get 3CP SnD up right away with cheaper cost for that particular build

[@l3imbiii]

And brotha what enchantment is on ur daggers?

[@NovaWarcraft]

I use "Authority of Radiant Power" on both daggers ⚔

[@l3imbiii]

@@NovaWarcraft i appreciate that, what’s the visual enchant?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@l3imbiii oh sorry, the visual enchant is “Demonic Tyranny” PvP enchant from back in Legion I believe

[@jsanljohn6707]

Great Content!! Subbed!.. please stream keys!!

[@NovaWarcraft]

Thanks so much Jsan! Hoping to get streaming going in a few weeks

[@Claw94]

wish we could also get vanish twice talent..

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@Claw94 it would be nice if it wasn’t a capstone to sneak into the builds. Just hard to justify 2 points into subterfuge just to get it.

[@michaeltrg]

Dude, what about stats? Versatility or critical chance?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@michaeltrg mastery > crit > haste. Versatility is more of a wildcard, could be better for much higher keys but haven’t done those yet

[@emreuludag5248]

So many skill bro...

[@Shyira1]

You do not shiv at the start of kingsbane with hybrid, you shiv half way through. To maximise your KB damage since you only get one shiv. Also please keybind and don't click you will accelerate your improvement.

[@jefffontana3095]

Is bro clicking hit buttons and yet still put out a great guide/video? 😂

[@NovaWarcraft]

=)

[@five5laps]

You defenetly should try CMQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwPjZmZGmBAAAAAAYWMmlZAAAAAAottZmBzMGzMzysNGDmZmZGMzMbbLjZA2MLDMglglhJwwyA It feel's way better than both of those builds, i've done 1.4m overall and 1.8m overall with this one and it feels like much more damage

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@five5laps will check it out 👍

[@NiGhtMareXXXXL]

If i go to top 50 assasin rogue's no one is really running these builds. They are all focusing on poison bomb, bone spike and doomblade.

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@NiGhtMareXXXXL All 3 of those talents are in the second build I go over in the video which is modeled around the top parses / leaderboards

[@michaelandreasen993]

are you planning on being in the top 50 players?

[@NovaWarcraft]

@@michaelandreasen993 I probably won't make it to top 50.. no. I wish haha but realistically it won't happen.