M... MY JOB DEFINES ME!

[@gromby783]

Don't let yourself be defined by the fear of being defined by your job

[@XORA-CODEYX]

Very true.

[@KaiserTheAdversary]

Don't let yourself be defined by the fear of being defined by the fear of being defined by your job.

[@profitstrategyformoney9534]

*kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGbZZH5tl6qMj7s*

[@MalachiHealey]

@@tapank415 Have you ever been so far as to even pretend to even want to go to do more like?

[@termination9353]

Evangelist Stephan accused Paul of murdering Jesus and then Paul killed Stephan.

[@hdjfjd8]

issue is work commitments often force individuals to cut down on their private life to an extent that few hours of sleep is considered more valuable than engaging in personal hobbies,etc

[@DTjoshtruction]

I feel luke has his heart in the right place but I think hes way too oblivious to whats going on. The average wagie job or even part time job is dogshit and will demand too much time. Its why I scoff when people think things like academic pursuits or hobbies can be pursued and maintained on the side. You arent able to when you’re exhausted and need to sleep and sometimes a full day isnt enough to recover and you arent always in the mood for your side pursuits either. Not saying he doesnt have a point but hes underestimating how fucked wagie jobs are now

[@a_maxed_out_handle_of_30_chars]

true words have been spoken :(

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

@@DTjoshtruction in truth, this is not a new thing. Almost all of the great discoveries in the Scientific Revolution, especially in the 18th and 19th century, were made by amateur scientists, it's true. But almost all of them were essentially Gentleman of Leisure. Not necessarily exceptionally wealthy, but independently employed and Wealthy guys who had more than enough financial stability to set aside their own time and pursue those things. And this was back in a time before the totalization of the economy that we have today. Most people really are going to be defined by their work because that is what they spend nearly all of their time doing. It just so happens that in the past most people ended up working for themselves, and so the professions that the find them were broader and more nuanced than just pushing buttons at an Amazon call center for 40 hours a week and then going home to watch Netflix.

[@alejandrosrwebmaster]

@@Laotzu.Goldbug Life is easier now than in the past centuries, if you think you are worth of persuing academics you should be clever enough to get easy money.

[@windowsxpp]

@@DTjoshtruction Dude I can't even study for a certification when my job is consuming 12+ hours every day. god damn it

[@dave_di]

The ancient greeks would probably think of you as a slave if you talked about work so much. Free men pursued the arts. Anyone at my job who only talks about work, I put them in the same box.

[@thetricksterpill]

lol fr, I want to be a neet to do what I want

[@domhayad]

Yeah but we are not ancient greeks lol, i don't get why people bring up ancient people or civilizations like" look they used to do this omg we should too"

[@jsihavealotofplaylists]

@@domhayad they also collapsed their own society, we should too!

[@buffoomery]

Workin' on it, brother

[@phillipanselmo8540]

@@domhayad ancient people lived far virtuous lives than we do today

[@Nisixya]

This basically ties into how people will look down on you for not having some fancy job title or career they think is "valuable." Nowadays when people go up to you, they want to tell you all about how greatly they contribute to the system™ and how you're worthless by not doing so.

[@profitstrategyformoney9534]

*kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJW3dJiXiL-Daqs*

[@AlexandrBorschchev]

love how little high school boys with anime girl profile pic are wiser than the population

[@ghoulbuster1]

The virtuous slaves think they are free.

[@the-bruh.cum5]

@@AlexandrBorschchev lmao

[@frog6054]

@@AlexandrBorschchev Fr, sometimes people with anime profile pic spitting some straight facts.

[@nullset2]

A veil was lifted off in front of my eyes when I understood that the modern society has replaced religious devotion with devotion to the material and this means that people identify with their job now that they can't identify with a common religion or background.

[@nullset2]

This also explains geek culture. Motherfuckers who think that knowing ever single fucking trite piece of trivia from fucking Legend of Zelda or whatever can replace religion.

[@videorelaxant2780]

>dood the bible is heckin bs bro >I GOTTA SEE THE HECKIN STAR WARS, MARVEL, LOTR, HARRY POTTER PRODUCT

[@nullset2]

​@@videorelaxant2780 If you think about it it's basically a return to polytheism.

[@videorelaxant2780]

@@nullset2 yeah in a weird roundabout

[@wtfimcrying]

@@nullset2 lmfao true

[@etheretherether]

Multi-dimensionality is key to forming a healthy well rounded personality.

[@TheAlison1456]

The hell does that mean? I can't ever imagine defining myself on the basis of one or many things. I only do it when people want an answer. To slap a judgement of quality on either, that's truly something else.

[@freedomofspeech2867]

Many dimensions* Simpler is better especially when it's shorter.

[@chudlite6282]

Good to know that my schizotypal personality actually makes me a healthy, well rounded individual.

[@TomoyoTatar]

Best comment here.

[@etheretherether]

@@TheAlison1456 By multi-dimensional I just mean not actively seeking that “one thing” to define yourself by, like a career. All the people I enjoy spending time with the most have many attributes, skills, and hobbies, that don’t obviously play into each other. For example, a mechanic who is also a preacher All the lamest people I know pick one thing (like a career or tumblr “aesthetic”) to define themselves by and struggle to think of anything interesting about themselves that doesn’t fit neatly inside that box.

[@kaykek7174]

There is a German word for someone who only has knowledge about their specific field: "Fachidiot". Directly translated it would be something like "subject idiot". A fitting insult I would say.

[@phillipanselmo8540]

very funny considering it was in germany & france that the idea of "the scholars are always right" came from

[@atirat7388]

@@phillipanselmo8540 Well, not all scholars are Fachidioten, especially not back in the day.

[@romanvs123]

In Russian there is a similar expression "профессиональный идиот", which translates "professional idiot".

[@ultrajorge]

Luke: Don't let your job define you Me: Yes sir. *Removes my job description from my socials*

[@FURIArts]

That’s a start

[@qdawgdub9315]

Good! Now delete your socials

[@ishashka]

Next step: Remove it from your resume

[@Akhtar7760]

Ok , Mr. Luke KZbinr

[@BryceCorbitt]

Yeah this is a bit of a problem I have. I work as a Software Engineer, but was pretty obsessed with computer stuff even before college. It's hard because there isn't a whole lot that interests me outside of technology which makes me a pretty boring person to be around. I started learning to play Piano a few months ago (which I really enjoy), so I currently have ONE other thing going for me.

[@avsbq]

how's your piano progress

[@BryceCorbitt]

@@avsbqGood! Even better though, I have more than two things now that define me. I'm getting married soon. My fiancée has been really good for me because she gets me out of the house and I feel motivated to provide for her once we get married and live together.

[@1Lll_llllllLLLLllllll_llL1]

same same but I play ukulele

[@trenwar]

When i was in middle school i like drawing, then all of sudden i like programming but last month i try learning guitar and it's really fun

[@jonsnow2555]

What a loser

[@orangecrow157]

Bruh, I was so into programming and CS. Went to college. Lost it. It's so fucking true. Don't force your passion into a job/college.

[@OnTheEdgex23]

I work for money. Find a job that will give you a good work life balance and pay you good money. I work 20hrs a week at this point. Wouldn't trade that for anything

[@varvarvarvarvarvar]

Isn't CS a field where you invent impressive problems to solve mostly to impress other people who invent impressive problems to solve too, in order to secure impressive grants?

[@frog6054]

@@OnTheEdgex23 What is your profession?

[@realcirno1750]

@@varvarvarvarvarvar thats just all academia

[@tonyh1345]

@@OnTheEdgex23 sales?

[@teacon7]

One-dimensionality is a tempting character flaw, and possible for more than simply careers. People might back into it by accident, having frequented social style forums that are hypermonocularly focused on one topic, because it's fun to find like-minded people. The downside is that it normalizes a level of agreement that doesn't usually exist in nature, and then people don't know how to talk to others whose thinking is outside of their own domain or set of interests. A rational, political mind capable of imaginative worldview gets reduced to a "fandom" or an "-ism." The internet is... unnaturally good at sorting users by preferences, so much so that it stunts social growth. How many people "can't even" right now? Real life means learning to live and let live with people you may or may not share interests with, and we've got a couple generations that have never had to deal with that at all.

[@tobias-edwards]

Really enlightening, I never thought about it like that - thanks for the comment

[@profitstrategyformoney9534]

*kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4PTmnWkesSGh9E*

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

As a gen zer this is a sad reality 😝

[@crunchyeater]

You make a really good point. I should focus more on my life outside my work.

[@Majorwindy]

Absolutely. It’s liberating and your world will seem bigger.

[@noodlechan_]

Don’t make your job the most important thing for you, there are things that are important, in your heart. Unlike a job, passion is always something you can count on to support you and to give life a meaning.

[@jonathanhoward1499]

Too late buddy.

[@MrTimotheousWard]

You make such a good point. The attitude of "you are what you do for a living" was so corrosive to my generation. I know people that wasted full ride scholarships changing majors because they weren't sure that they were 100% passionate about whatever profession they were studying for. Teachers and parents handled our "dreams" with such care that no one gave us reality checks. My class's guidance counselor told us not to consider cost when applying to schools. I got grief from teachers when I said computer science wasn't like my dream job, but I knew that I could get paid for it. I was told that I was getting into it for the wrong reasons. Idk what the right reasons are if financial security for me and my future family aren't lol. I now have a job in a field I'm kind of interested in (as opposed to burning with passion for) and can do other things on the side with the money I've made. Which is better than many of my peers who have a shitty job that doesn't even pay really, that they hate anyways, and can't pursue anything extra in life than next months expenses. In those cases I really hope they enjoyed getting their film degrees. Because that's it.

[@MrTimotheousWard]

@Teeth Whitening Ding Ding Ding! Give this guy a prize. In fact, one of the only male teachers actually got in trouble for telling kids that theater school probably wasn't the best option moving forward.

[@MrTimotheousWard]

@Teeth Whitening Amazing how that works. Lol

[@Tubeytime]

Then you have the kids whose parents and teachers tell them to go for the highest paying jobs and end up buckling under the pressure. It's almost like our environment shapes who we are.

[@MrTimotheousWard]

@@Tubeytime Great point! I knew many kids like that as well. That's another example of costs not being acknowledged. Where in their case, the cost is in time. Time lost in school, time lost at work.

[@GETOFFMYDAMNBUS]

@@Tubeytime bro. that is me rn. i'm being pressured to become an engineer and i can't do this shit no more. i can't. i'm doing it just for money, but there are less expensive and complicated options and nobody ever told me about them. why put in all this debt and effort when i could, for instance, become a plumber instead? i don't LIKE being a plumber but it should pay the bills and leave me enough disposable. also, i'm chinese. we generally love money and like to value you based on occupation, salary and social status. too bad my folks can't get that out of their heads, because if i continue on their path i'll fail out.

[@HM-vk8bd]

I feel like this is mostly a middle / high class thing. Never heard a construction worker engage in such discourse

[@homerpimpson9855]

@Teeth Whitening trolling le college cucks

[@spaceghost0813]

@Teeth Whitening seriously, just watch any DIY or Home Improvement video and like clockwork you'll have a minimum of 40 journeyman or master tradesmen dunking on one other about how they're not doing it correctly, how their choice of fasteners is trash, doing things too slow, etc.

[@obamagamingtherealone]

@Teeth Whitening You should look down on white collar professions, they turn energy and work into nothing.

[@davids4446]

@Teeth Whitening yea this has been my experience too. So difficult to talk with them

[@adecakasio6482]

yes. but speaking from experience, to hear college students blab about their career like a religion really should be defined as torture. you cant take them seriously because they set themselves up for disappointment from the beginning. those naive kids. also - there are lots of blue collar workers who are as insecure about their social standing and worth, that they employ equal tactics. But as I said - speaking from experience - its the white collar kids, that have the most self image issues.

[@desktorp]

what I find is that most of those who derive their own identity from their job titles, aggressively project the bugman mindset on to others-- they find out a person has no job and instantly treat them as if they don't exist.

[@nile2128]

i told you already mom im not getting a job theyre for bugmen

[@BettersonMcgee]

Helpful video to explain something i've sort of internalized myself. As a young person myself i've definitely been close to going down a road of needing to make my passion my job, but once I had a taste of what it was actually like I realized its not how I want to do things. Next time I try explaining this to people to help them avoid making irrational choices as well, I'll just link them this :^)

[@gunner75171]

I'm just now realizing how little I want to do.

[@twobeat310]

I'm defined by the crypto I buy

[@Pepestock]

Based, I hope you're loving this bullrun like me

[@talandar5773]

Great video. I had this realization literally two days ago. I was feeling a ton of pressure from not knowing what I want to do with my life while being in a fast food job part time and studying welding... I was about to quit my job... and then I just didn't. Suddenly I just felt at peace. And I realized I didn't need the perfect job to make the most of what I have.

[@soindifferent_]

Glad you decided to stay. You’ll figure things eventually. Take your time!

[@DoubleAgent25]

100% agree. I was someone who turned their passion into a job and I lost the enjoyment. It became a soul-sucking means to an end because I was no longer doing it for myself. Luckily I got out of that.

[@TheAudreyduh]

My job is not bs. I clean dishes and I am in charge of the cleanliness of the kitchen. I also clean the things the servers wont do in the rest of the place. It's still just a favor for my boss and I let him know this ain't my life and I'm leaving soon.

[@mistakenmeme]

Same

[@TheAudreyduh]

@guts yes but now my do both kitchen and package handling

[@D_A42]

I do not agree with this at all. A tradesman who dedicates their life to their craft- to the point where their trade becomes a core part of their identity- is not dull or uninteresting. They are heroic. There is meaning in being an exceptional welder or carpenter, and validity in defining themselves by what they can create. There are countless master craftsmen who are remember long after their deaths precisely for how good they were at their job. You can go to museums all across the world and see examples such people and their work. I know tradesmen who work a normal 9-5 doing manual labor; who in their free time use those same skills to create works of beauty. They are fully devoted to what they do and it would be arrogant and dismissive to think lesser of them for it. If the goods they are able to create are amazing, so are they by virtue of being able create it. Without such people, there would be no art

[@GrendalTheBeasty]

I love motorcycles, aviation and precision rifle marksmanship. I used to enjoy modding games and writing little programs. I got a BS in computer science and work as a software dev. I don't make mods anymore and I don't make little programs outside of work. I have zero interest in learning new programming languages unless required for a specific project. I'm pretty good at my job (I think) and I don't hate it, but any passion to pursue such things on my own is gone. Don't make a hobby a job unless it pays really well and you have other hobbies. Any hobby you turn into a job will just be a job before long.

[@stiskavac]

I've worked in several companies that tried to sell me the: we are a family, we are this company. Even thou we worked for shit wages with 0% chance of reaching management levels there were always people who were seduced. They would proudly talk about working there both irl and online. They would also get pissed at you if you said something bad about the company. I always found it pathethic considering the company gave 0 fucks about them and they were totally replacable but I guess they needed that company to define them. Maybe they felt like they would have nothing if they weren't given that shit job and they owe them...

[@TheAlison1456]

"we are a family" exists for a reason Outside of work, urbanites don't have anywhere to socialize since they live in lonely apartments and past acquaintances fucked off somewhere else.

[@stiskavac]

@@TheAlison1456 That's very true. A lot of people say they get bored when they don't work. In most cases those are people withouth friends or hobbies so they live for work.

[@SycoDeathDealer]

Thanks for this video! All my friends are starting to get jobs and stuff and I am stuck at a low-level barista job despite almost finishing my degree and I was starting to think that maybe I was a loser or I was on track to eventually become one... This video was quite reassuring and gave me a little bit of hope. Thank you!

[@stencilman5030]

"If you are good at something, never do it for free." ~ Joker

[@vOddy75]

The feeling when you ask "so what do you do?" and he doesn't just answer what his job is: exquisite.

[@amnottabs]

I worked 10 years-ish in companies that were under the same conglomerate and since I always liked computers and fixed them as a side hustle everyone and their grandma thought I was in some IT-related job when in fact I did accountancy related stuff first and later joined their the chemical division; a year before the pandemic I went back to my town which is a decent sized city by now and do odd administrative jobs 8 hours 3 days a week for minimum wage on one of the sister branches of that same conglomerate. I guess I have Luke's seal of approval considering that people still think I fix computers for a living

[@gayusschwulius8490]

I think whether your job should be a part of your identity greatly depends on what it is. If your job is something that takes a lot of skill and practice, it can - and throughout history, has always been - a part of your identity (not the only part, of course, but a significant portion of it). If you are a master smith, baker or carpenter, you sure as hell take pride in your job. If you are a master surgeon, a master engineer, hell, even a master attorney at law, yes, your job can be a part of your identity. If it is a menial "we just need someone to do this"-job? Not so much, that's just sad. I find your argument regarding "what people are remembered for" quite flawed; because the sad truth is that few people living now are going to be remembered in 2000 years like St. Paul is nowadays. The vast majority of people who lived throughout the civilized times of humanity and reached some higher social status and local recognition in their community did so through their work. People were known so much for their jobs that it oftentimes even became part of their names, or why do you think your last name is "Smith"? And this isn't necessarily wrong; as long as most people had "real jobs", not the ones you described so fittingly as "fake jobs", so something that filled their days with a meaningful purpose, it is completely okay for that work to be a major part of their personal pride. The problem really only started once modern society forced people to do fake jobs, work that is of little value and little stimulation, that identifying with it became such a problem. I wholeheartedly agree with the part of this video about passions, though. Especially those "hobby-passions" like drawing, playing games or making music, that are not serious careers for the vast majority of people who try. In that sense, I share the creed of the Meistersinger of late medieval Germany. Those things should never be considered a business.

[@htth3152]

Why exactly should they never be considered a business?

[@gayusschwulius8490]

@@htth3152 Because art that is made for money is always inferior to art that is made out of passion. Making art your business is peak consoomer mentality, just in reverse. Especially if you work by popular demand (and not by the demand of some nobleman funding you). It's no wonder the quality of all arts has decreased drastically with reproducibility and mass consumption.

[@htth3152]

@@gayusschwulius8490 Most great artists were paid for their work. Sistine Chapel cealing, statue of David, Mona Lisa are examples of masterpieces that were commissioned (though Mona Lisa never made it to the client). Great movies and literature weren't made as a hobby either. I guess only great musicians can be said to work out of pure passion, but even they performed their masterpieces for money, so had some kind of business. No, money and art are not incompatible. Art only becomes inferior if it's made *exclusively* for money. It ceases to be art in this case actually. But we are talking about cases where a person already has some passion and just wants to live off it, so that's besides the point. Also what the hell is "peak consoomer mentality in reverse"?

[@gayusschwulius8490]

@@htth3152 they were paid, but they were paid *dependently* as an employee, not independently by the masses like modern artists. That's the difference. Dependent pay in art is better than "independent" pay, but not getting paid at all produces by far the best art. And with "peak consoomer mentality in reverse" I mean that they produce in the same way that consoomers consume. Equally as soulless and replaceable. The modern world has destroyed art itself.

[@htth3152]

@@gayusschwulius8490 This is still making art for money. The only difference here is to whose tastes exactly the artists has to abide - a rando from the crowd, or a slightly richer rando. Sure, if an artist lives off donations - then he has to consider collective opinion, lowest common denominator, yada-yada. Or if he is hired by a huge company that wants the line to go up and runs his vision through a hundred focus groups. But then we're talking specific business practices and conditions, and not making art a business in general. Again, the issue here (as everywhere) is *not* getting paid, it's making money the main focus. "Not getting paid makes best art" - no. The best artworks known to humanity (I provided examples) were paid for or made with some money in mind. *Most* of what you imagine when you think of "great art" was commissioned and paid for. Sure, you can dig up some famous painting that wasn't and argue that it is in fact the bestest of them, but, compared to the mass of counterexamples, the difference in artistic value would be miniscule. The amount of passion makes best art, not absence of money. I'm pretty sure the defining characteristic of a consoomer is that he consooms, not some vague soullessness. The latter is a much broader term, not tied to just consumerism. If an artist produces soulless, replaceable art - then he's a soulles, replaceable artist (or a fake one, if you like that more). Consoomer doesn't produce by definition.

[@proper_noun436]

When people ask me, "what are you up to these days?" my answer is what hobbies I'm currently into. When they tell me what work they're doing I brush over it and ask if they're still involved in their hobbies.

[@spaceghost0813]

"Nah bro, I don't have time for any of that, I've got a REAL job now"

[@diablo.the.cheater]

My thing is that my hobby and my job are essentially the one and the same, i made my hobby my job, and it is still my hobby, and it is my job. My job is just some idiot paying me money to do my hobby at work hours, so i can dedicate all the other time to other lesser hobbies. The trick is to find a company whereyour hobby is still enjoyable as a job. If you find that, you will not work a single hour in your life. You only get paid by doing what you like to do.

[@chrisbohn3746]

Man whose surname is the job of his fore-bearer explains why your job shouldn't define you

[@mrrobertbates]

This comment should have far more likes.

[@kerrell95]

A agree but some people do not have the capacity to be more than their job. My dad is a wonderful man but was born deaf and has very limited social skills. He gains alot of fulfillment from his job as a domestic engineer (washing machines/dishwashers etc). He's probably one of the best in our town of 100,000 people. It makes me sad because he could be so much more, but it's a big achievement for him. Adding to that his customers love him so I think that really makes him feel valued as a human being. I just nod my head and pretend to be happy when he tells me about his work. He's incapable of understanding why I don't want to talk about my job, in construction, which I love. At least with my dad his personality and disability are good reasons he can't go beyond the worker drone mentality. Others have very few excuses.

[@Mrmaverickism]

your father is normal and society is based on people like him. we need good men 100% committed to their job to have nice things

[@rc6431]

It may not just be the job he loves, but maybe what he does at the job..?

[@Bazoozoos]

I feel like this is cope for not having a good job you love on some level as you have to justify wasting 40hrs a week. I had a tennis partner which I found out after a month that he was a fighter pilot which was cool though.

[@Assault_Butter_Knife]

That's kinda what I said in another comment. The points he brings up are true to an extent, but say if you love doing math and are good at it, then there is absolutely no reason to not go into academia and make it your work instead of doing it as a hobby and wasting additional 40hrs a week on a job you absolutely hate, like working in McDonalds

[@highvisibilityraincoat]

i waste 30 hours a week doing literally nothing. my job contributes NOTHING. i am content with this, because if I actually gave a shit about my job, I wouldn't have energy for what I actually like to do. if you work for someone out of individual passion, you will leave hating your old passion.

[@ultrapuritysquad7855]

Honestly. I won't pretend to be some psychoanalyst, but between this and the previous video, to me it just seems like Luke is unhappy with his job. Which is ok of course, I can't force anyone to love their job, but he generalizes what I imagine his experience is onto everyone else. Some of this stuff feels like what you would find on reddit: _Ugh, look at these people being happy with their jobs. Don't they know they are slaving away for their KKKapitalist oppressors? Work economy? Yea honey that's actually a fake, it doesn't exist._

[@pug999]

Being a contractor, i never hear other blue collar workers talk about their job constantly unless they were boomers. White collar people do love to talk about their job young or old.

[@tonyh1345]

Because blue collar people aren’t as fake and pompous and typically like to have more fun while being themselves

[@slipcurve1410]

I'm a programmer by profession, but I used to do graphics, music and other creative things. Now I'm just really good at programming. You kind of lose who you are with your job.

[@cherubin7th]

This was Paul's old job. His new job was being an Apostle. And he identified so much with his new job that he changed his name.

[@Mrmaverickism]

not interesting. what was Paul's side hustle?

[@ThroughMyEyesASMR]

His bills were being paid by whatever he got from making tents plus any goodwill.

[@libatonvhs]

I wouldn't describe it as a job, more like a vocation.

[@wisdometricist880]

Paul didn't change his name

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

this

[@Raccoonov]

This exact thing has happened to me ( I was drawing EVERY DAY, before I went to the Art Academy. After 6 years of “studying art” there, I’ve stopped. I know how to draw well and all. But I’ve stopped drawing like I used to. Luke, you are 100% right here. 100% right.

[@Strontkipje]

Same

[@ung-k4c]

I think there is something to be said about the culture/expectation of this in FAANG type companies and start ups. Where this personality is rewarded and venerated to be "top talent" and then maintain some small fragment of an application.

[@ianhoolihan2396]

Default RuneScape character crushes the athletic aspirations of urban american youths with FACTS AND LOGIC

[@michaelslattery3050]

For better or worse, when I was in college I purposefully tried to not be close friends with other people in CS. I was worried I'd go too deep into nerd culture. I probably would have been better connected in my early career, but I'm not sure I regret it. I was also a bicycle racer on my college's team. Similarly, I tried to not make all my friends athletes (although I still made friends because of the long rides and travel). At my jobs, I still do this for the most part, but not completely. Although many of my closest friends are in IT, many more are "normies"

[@gogl0l386]

I like CGP Grey's defintion of what defines you: there's a box filled with what you like and dislike, but you are not the box, you are the curator who each day decide what will stay, be added or removed from the box.

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

this sounds so incredily postmodern and idiotic i have to laugh.

[@gogl0l386]

@@patriciusvunkempen102 sure go around being a slave to your personal interests and be a fcking wage cck. "it's not a phase mom, my passion is the only thing important in my whole life"

[@SirIkeMedia]

My dream job was to be an animator, but then I found out how corrupt the animation industry is, so I just do my own thing.

[@TomoyoTatar]

My dream was to be a doctor, but then I found out how corrupt the medical industry is, so now I just do my own thing.

[@levihackerman1337]

It isn't as corrupt as it is brutal, and unfair to many. Long hours less play not being treated as a decent human with other needs. Feels like working an skilled job for an unskilled job's pay.. and the management always finding new ways to fuck you over is whole another can of worm. it's so hard to find a decent job with decent employer.

[@ordinarryalien]

My dream job was to be a planet invader, but then I found out how corrupt the invading industry is, so I just do my own thing, which is child prostitution.

[@CONNER_]

@@TomoyoTatar based black jack

[@profitstrategyformoney9534]

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[@namenameson9065]

I view talking about their job sort of like bragging and virtue signalling. They Work and are thus Important and also Serving Society. Oh they're still miserable, though.

[@TheSethcast]

I've never realized how much I appreciate this type of person

[@MarkHalberstram]

This is very true. I found work within my passion, and although I still enjoy my job it’s definitely engendered a kind of jaded cynicism about things that I didn’t have before. It did end up getting me into sports just because I needed down time though.

[@delicious_seabass]

I work in a somewhat specialized field, and i avoid telling normies what i do, especially if it's a chick on a date. There's just no point and makes for boring conversation.

[@masterprattu]

What is the other stuff you would discuss on a date??

[@delicious_seabass]

@@masterprattu Whatever you do outside of work. Surely you have pastimes or hobbies, or go out with friends. Talk about that. Save the boring stuff for later, when you're already in. :)

[@LNVACVAC]

I am very surprised the algorithm recommended me this. I am Italian, born and raised in Brazil, and lived a while in England. Most of my friends are either Americans (Southern USA) or Irish. Many American, Asian and Latin countries suffer this awful habit of approaching people and judging if people are worthy of socialization just by their occupation or social class. In my view it's not only a mark of an underdeveloped personality and self narrative, but also a sign the person either comes from a poor place/society (including USA) or a society with either an overt or covert caste system. I am not a normie, but unfortunately where I live there are only normie attractive women. So I need to make believe as a normie to the best of my abilities if I want to get laid. This occupation obsession is one of the turn-offs for me. I try to joke I am a bank robber but it just makes them more adamant on finding what I do. - I corrected this post on "(Southern USA)" because I realized just "(Southern)" was ambiguous due to my upbringing in South America.

[@Man_Getter]

why did you feel the need to post this pointless story?

[@LNVACVAC]

@@Man_Getter Why are you context impervious?

[@andrewmichaelschaefferXIV]

I like my job and I'm fascinated by what other people do "Job" could be better described as Vocation

[@javioverflow]

I wish I could agree with you, but working 8-10 hours a day on something that is not my passion is one of my worst nightmares.

[@JayJae3]

And that'll pretty much be my future.

[@codecleric4972]

Completely agree Luke! Great take. I come from a bit of a failed academic background and have rebuilt myself up to be a tech professional. That said I feel technology is part of the foundation that make me who I am and provides me opportunities for success. I'll heed what you've said though. I think it has to do with being humble about both your hobbies and your career but not being afraid to be yourself and be proud and share your passion about those things from time to time.

[@Chris-on5bt]

But if we culturally moved away from this notion then it would break most of the scripts that NPCs use during their small talk converstations! Do you know how much reprogramming it would take to fix this? We might as well just stick with this buggy version.

[@moschopspaladin5894]

In an ideal society, this would be true, Although it's not often the job that defines a person but what social class they belong to. This reflects on the job, as there are positions or pride, and shame. I've worked both.

[@angriff6308]

I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. I cannot stand people who want to talk about their work when you spend time with them outside of work. If someone asks me what I do for work then I'm not really interested in talking to them.

[@ericmoulot9148]

I derive my own life model from MMO NPCs: an NPC you can take to raid is the most fun! Just like an awesome colleague you can take to XYZ (insert other activity you like) is probably the most fun. So like the NPCs, have a job, but also have a past: mad adventurer's skills, a story, a quest, ideals... Question is: when do I ever get the time, in real life, to get a life outside the job?

[@MrTimotheousWard]

He was in the Tent game.

[@-_-Girthbrooks-_-]

“Working on cars as a mechanic sometimes kills your passion to work on your own cars.” I think this is similar to what you were getting at towards the end.

[@pyry1948]

I always felt this way because my job is something I do rn as something that is necessary, not something I want. So I make sure I won't be defined by it :^D PS: Love your channel, keep up the good work and enjoy life :^)

[@micosair]

Refreshing to see old books and not the usual shiny, colored sci-fi covers.

[@homerpimpson9855]

Luke I want to be a Minecraft KZbinr, this is good idea, right?

[@earlem9771]

I absolutely agree. Make sure you enjoy the tasks you do at work, but don't let your job define you (impossible because everything we do defines us in some small way but you get the point).

[@Rh0mbus]

I don't think the issue is knowing what someone does for a living, especially if they enjoy what they do. I think what is key is that its not the one and only thing they fully identify with and have nothing else besides work to describe their personality and life. Key takeaway being just develop yourself in many ways and avenues.

[@pincopallino8176]

It's not the first time I hear this advice. It's mostly for people who hate their jobs and want to feel better about themselves. What you don't understand, following your passion means being excellent in something you love. You need to invest a lot of time and work into something to be excellent. I'm a writer, and the best example of a "poor artist". But I made it. I love writing, and I'm getting better each day and with each book I write. You can't reach this level of professionalism, if you only write in your free time, or when you feel like it. So in my case, writing defines me, and I'm very proud of it. It means I'm a storyteller, I live for my craft, it makes me a better person. It's honestly all to know about me, and that's fine.

[@pincopallino8176]

@@MateuszMisztela What do you want to tell me? I'm not even 40 years old, I have 30 more years of professional writing ahead of me. How do you know how good or bad my writing is (I'm German, btw)? Why do you feel the need to put me down? Why do you think Hemingway was a good writer? Because you learned that in school? I sold half a million books, which isn't bad. People enjoy my writing. That's what makes me happy. Still, you feel the need to ridicule me without knowing anything about me and my writing. Someone said lately to me, that my writing inspires her to life a more fulfilled, loving and intense life. But chill, okay. Got it.

[@TupDigital]

I just discovered you today Luke; this is a superb take and one that I hold dearly in my life...I consider myself lucky in this regard though, because as a drummer, that (artist/musician) is who I am identity-action-energy-wise, and there's never been any chance of mistaking myself as a bartender, consumer credit collector, or any other job I've had to do. That's just shit I've done or do for pay, they're not things that I CREATE, LOVE, NURTURE, GROW in and with. This probably increases proportionate to your station in life and at said job....an MD "is a doctor," engineers tend to "be" 100% engineers, as in this is who they are sleeping, in spirit, on their deathbed. Nope not for me. How can I truly think my personal identity could come from something I had to be handed certification for by some other humans?? Methinks most people don't have that "thing" aside from their job. I've had the fortune to be a skateboarder and a drummer, with overlap, which is easy when you're a kid, but drummer/artist/musician will last til my last breath.....and I still consider myself a skater forever too 🤠

[@jimmynorman9897]

Especially straight out of university everyone was always asking in that twilight between graduation and employment what do you do? And they’re not asking about what you enjoy doing or what you think they’ll find interesting they’re looking to assess your value. The whole living your job and embodying it comes from a lack of diversity in interests, you become so ground down that the only thing you are committed to is getting money to live to work so you might as well assume that as your personality because you need something that defines you and all you have any capacity at is your job. This is really common in tech because it has great depth and opportunities for specialisation which opens the door to a superiority complex.

[@JamesHawkeYouTube]

Jobs are overrated. We are not born into this existence to have a job. Life is short. Seek Truth. Be cool.

[@wtfimcrying]

ok, starve.

[@henlofren7321]

@@wtfimcrying its called food stamps bro

[@RGeoOfficial]

I really appreciate your insights, Luke. I follow you from Peru. Greetings for you.

[@penteablo1722]

Luke “smith”

[@GIRRIG001]

My experience is a bit counter to what luke is saying in the sense that I found when studying at a technical college and choosing what I want to do, doing something you have already been doing before you started studying and already had a passion in makes a world of difference vs the person who did not have these things. Because I was both, and the second time around I found far more productive and enjoyable than the first. Regarding your passion becoming tainted when it becomes an occupation, I think this is mainly determined by the company you work for or don't work for.

[@torphedo6286]

I have noticed that I've done a ton less programming ever since I started going to school for it. It's partially because I have less time than high school (and WAY more of a social life, idk what the hell I was thinking in high school). But it's definitely less fun unless it's in my hyper-specific areas of interest (usually writing things in C that ought to be C#). I've been enjoying Blender the past few years, I might pick up pencil drawing or brush up on animation...

[@milosCivejovidar]

Not talking about work outside your workplace is such a common manners thing you could do, irregardless of whether you are passionate about your job or not. You should talk about work only with your peers and colleagues in the industry and potential business partners.

[@porky1118]

My job doesn't define me, but I like to talk about my job, since I like my job. My job is basically the same as I do in my free time: Programming, game development. In my free time, I try to be more professional and don't use software, I don't understand well enough (like game engines), but that also means it takes much more time to get even simple things done.

[@porky1118]

My job didn't kill my passions, since it's mostly totally different.

[@ThatSaintsRowFan]

All the uploads lately have been awesome. We missed your content these last couple months. Cheers Luke!

[@Wulk]

In a world where being loyal to a company that just sees you like a number and loyalty to a company doesn't get you anything is way easier to think of jobs as nothing emotionally related

[@harmonizedigital.]

Funny you use that basketball example. My mother grew up next to Karem Abdul-Jabbar in Queens NY. People said he was not going to go pro

[@jreadfbnfgncn5010]

WHO IS HE TALKING TO LULE

[@robotron1236]

I used to be an auto mechanic. I did it for 10 years and I absolutely hated it in the end. I'm studying cybersecurity now.

[@scaratlas3347]

I am not a passionate person but to be honest it better to have tried something then to do anything at all. The most important is to have a plan if your passionate

[@Vucucjjivxfkf]

You’ll be remembered as a “content creator” Luke 😂

[@emcee9856]

I actually feel sad for such people. I remember going out to work lunches quite frequently on the jobs site or otherwise, and certain people *could not* let work discussion go for even a minute. The last thing you want to hear after working 10 hours/day for 7 days straight is more discussion on work.

[@vittorioscacchetti2295]

I used to be like that growing up. I got into music when I was a teenager, so I decided that's what I wanted to do for a living. When I finished high school I went to live abroad with some friends and having to juggle an actual job and building my "passion career" (practicing, building the network, rehearsing, chasing clubs to get paid) shattered the dream for me, to the point I kinda stopped playing altogether for a bit. Getting a normal boring job was the best thing because now my passion isn't tied to money, I can do whatever I want and don't have to compromise on anything and it's been liberating to say the least

[@WolfrostWasTaken]

I work as a software developer full time and outside of work I NEVER talk about programming with irl friends or stuff like that because I know that shit is boring if you aren't really into it (I have a blog dedicated to talking about dev stuff, I use that instead)

[@WolfrostWasTaken]

Seeing a fake Luke Smith account answering like this is SO HILARIOUS I can read it in his usual "soyboy voice"

[@dominick253]

I was off work for 10 months. Half the people looked at me like I was a leper 😂😂😂 They were talking like oh no do you need help do you need money 😂😂😂 Nope i keep a nice savings account just for a rainy year like this.

[@dziku1337]

Don't let yourself be defined by this one person who told you "You're not a real person if you talk about your job". The truth is as long as you're happy about yourself you should do whatever you want.

[@theintrovertedaspie9095]

That maybe true, but everyone does care what others think to some degree. It's just part of our nature We humans have a biological desire to belong and be excepted among others and make connections.

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

natural science was a hobby side thing, indeed, before academia was institutionalised. but shakespear was a screenwriter, and the scholastics were actualy scholastical theologicians. Gallileo was an inventor/science dude, Columbus was an entrepreneurial explorer, Francis drake was a smuggler and pirate by profession, Helmschmiedt was a very renown armor smith. idk what is the problem with it, as long as it is a job that realy matter.

[@oscarlove4394]

we should change our default opening line from "what do you do for a living? " to "what do you do for fun?"

[@multiio1424]

Some historical figures who are (or will be) remembered for what they did as their job: - Albert Einstein - Richard Feynman - Gordon Moore, Bob Noyce - Linus Torvalds - the guy at Sony who invented the walkman - Paul McCartney - Johnny Carson It's not quite as clear-cut as it seems, for example Einstein came up with special relativity while he was still a patent clerk in Switzerland, not a university professor. And Linus wrote the first versions of Linux without getting paid for it directly, although he was already a student and thus presumably living on government-paid college tuitions in Finland. But in the long run it probably helps to turn your passion into a profession to be able to continue pursuing it.

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

you have to add all kings, generals, politicians, popes, and a lotta nobles too. idk if you have a job that actualy matters its ok to have that as a part of your personality

[@rc6431]

Linus Torvalds has a job that's not developing Linux yknow lol

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

@@rc6431 might be true. and many people have a passion that does not pay their bills, maybe it was even better for science when it had not always to pay the bills so there was no outside interest that distorted the search for truth. still many people are remembered for their job, but that's usualy because their job was meaningful.

[@Andersson203]

I like what you're saying but like you said in regards to fake jobs. The shitty jobs we work today kind of consume our lives. I mean I wish I could find a job where I could work less hours, work where ever I am (like St Paul), a job that doesn't consume my every ounce of energy, and still make enough money that I could pursue the the things I want to pursue. But instead I'm working more hours to take care of my family, save money to maybe buy a house one day, etc.

[@ryanliebowitz2272]

Woooh yeah, show us them books! No more teasing! You know we all wanna see them..... all kidding aside, a peruse-through-your-library upload would be fun.

[@coscorrodrift]

i don't know if i'm delusional or if i learned my shit but im studying mech. engineering because ive always liked cars but the degree wasn't what i pictured, and interning was annoying as hell (really felt like your bullshit jobs video, but "underpaid" if you can even be underpaid for doing nothing lol). im switching to webdev because i think it's something i can clock in n out of, i'm moderately good at, and won't mind as much having it crushed by the reality of corporate annoyance, plus it pays better than being involved in making actual cars. if i ever pursue something from my major it'll be on my own time, under my own rules, instead of some compliance shit or whatever.

[@FourOf92000]

when you make your hobby your job, you don't have a hobby anymore

[@salvatoreshiggerino6810]

It's sad, but it's a really nice social crutch to ask people about their jobs.

[@harambe4267]

I think most people have been defined by their jobs, historically speaking. If you were the blacksmith, or his son, that really dictated how you were treated by the village, but I agree that way too many people think you need to monetize whatever you enjoy or are skilled at. It's pretty prevalent in both the hacking and modding communities, what people used to do purely for fun, or maybe at a cost that covers the expenses is now done with the expectation that it should pay your bills.

[@cjwhite2631]

I forgot Paul was a tent maker you got me there

[@thisisnotok2100]

I only made this discovery very recently, and I genuinely love programming, so I feel liberated to know that no one else cares

[@eF154]

Agreed.... I've noticed that is very common

[@greyblob1101]

Just do what you want and what keeps you alive. If you like your job enough to talk about it outside of work than thats the best of both worlds.

[@Zack-mp6ys]

A long-term Chinese follower. I'm quite interested in the story, in there are any, of your passion in Chinese.

[@FrDismasSayreOP]

It was a little-known fact that St. Paul would have sales on his tents every Christmas. It was the season of discount tents.

[@wtfimcrying]

dudes been making great content for yearss

[@ZeEduardo95]

I feel like it's okay to monetize what you like to do as long as you don't become that job outside of the office and have other passions that drive you