MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 5 Afternoon - Voir Dire of Sgt. Lank, Sgt. Goode

[@smurfmonster]

Retired U.K. police officer here, for us scene preservation, cross contamination, correct collection of evidence and continuity of evidence is absolute BASIC police work! Not only is is ESSENTIAL in a homicide investigation it’s essential in EVERY investigation be it a theft, burglary, assault or basic shoplifting any errors in any one of those steps and a case can be lost they are literally one of the first things you are taught during training.

[@Anna-ww4pv]

There are other POV.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I'm sure it's part of the basic training here in US, too. I'm not sure if all these issues are from corruption or laziness or ridiculous bureaucracy (like oh technically, the person is not declared dead so state won't come out and investigate... Which, why not, cuz there could be a crime occurred that injured the person) or a combination. Coming from Murdaugh country where other obvious crimes were confused, not identified as crimes initially, reports or videos/dash cam was deleted, and interviews weren't done of suspects, I see similarities here. I'm wondering why police didn't wear body cams -cuz they fought it cuz it's hampering or finances? Why did this one officer who collected evidence not write a report until 2 years after the incident??? Incompetence? Allowed laziness for many many years so this is how things are done? I have a sibling in law enforcement (not in Mass) and there is definitely the back up the brotherhood mindset that many buy into. The more ppl involved in a coverup or corruption the harder it is to believe. But if there are a few higher ups who don't enforce the rules or training like writing a report ASAP or using sterile containers to collect evidence, or make things disappear then it may be far fewer ppl knowingly involved then we think. And, often times it is so simple as "hey, do me a favor, hold off on sending that evidence in for a day" or "I was here for 40 mins, not 20, right? I know your boys and weddings are expensive, let me know if I can put in a good word or help out!" Nothing illegal necessarily, but not the truth or not best practices which is for a reason

[@Lauren-lawless]

I have multiple officers, a judge and a head of dispatch in Texas in my family and we’ve all been watching it together. They have all said that everything these officers did not do is basic 101 in preserving a crime scene, and for any seasoned officer to say otherwise is an insult to the job. They’ve also said that even if they don’t normally investigate homicides, for them to have nothing in order to do so somewhere in the precinct is not really believable.

[@smurfmonster]

@@Lauren-lawless Exactly!! For them to say they don’t deal with homicides and that’s why they didn’t know how to preserve evidence etc the collection & preservation of evidence and the chain of custody principles is the same for EVERY crime. Are they saying they don’t deal with burglary where an offender may have cut themselves on the way in or out and dropped blood somewhere? They would need to collect and preserve this in EXACTLY the same way as they would a homicide so like your family said it’s a total cop out to claim what they are claiming.

[@blastypowpow]

@@Anna-ww4pvWhat do you mean by POV? Do you mean opinions? Because, if so, protocol isn’t a matter of opinion. It’s fact. First responders have to learn a lot of protocol whether it be police, fire, medics, or EMTs. Source: I’m a former EMT/paramedic dispatcher.

[@nightowl8548]

"What if anything... " is bad, but "who if anyone was driving the ambulance " takes the cake so far 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

😂😂😂 I just can not

[@jasl9987]

That was so funny. ...also Emily's comments are even funnier.

[@giniferdeming]

😆

[@elysemckenzie3334]

Made me laugh when she said "What is anything sort of happened?" Haha. ​@jasl9987

[@evaflintironstag9356]

Listening to these cops testify without previously knowing a thing about the case, ALL of my alarm bells are sounding. They don't come across well, to put it charitably.

[@Lc0522]

If you knew more you'd be outraged Which is why this case is so huge right now

[@LuvLight13]

Like they didn’t hear a screaming woman outside their door!?!? And on top of it- fellow officers DIDNT want to come out and see what’s going on!?!? Or even HELP!?!?

[@kaitlin4u]

BECAUSE they are absolutely involved. It’s a scary situation that they weren’t investigated 🤦‍♀️

[@007nadineL]

Passed out from a big night partying

[@SavvyGirl751]

This I don’t know anyone that would stay in their house. Let lone a police officer when their colleagues are on their yard with a fellow fallen officer. Non of them are acting like police officers act when they hear another officer is down. They aren’t looking for retribution. They don’t even have heart in the case.

[@wendywilkinson]

Replay Crew here: Honest to Dog, I’m a civilian and I have more crime scene common sense that’s on display here. It’s so infuriating, Officer O’Keefe deserved more than the Keystone Cops.

[@smith899]

But that is the whole point. The cops are protecting the Albert family with their thin blue line.

[@Stoshnut]

I also have MS (but am a decade younger than Karen) and this is the first trial that I feel like I can keep up with. The schedule could totally be an accommodation for her MS.

[@Rain_Reign]

Fellow chronic progressive illness girlie, and I feel the same way!

[@caitlinalb]

Fellow chronic illness girlie- I like seeing it from the glass half full way, but k very much doubt that’s an accommodation for her given the pre trial stuff I saw from the judge. I could be wrong though!

[@randomidiot6278]

I’m just amazed at how still and comfortable she is for that length of time

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@caitlinalb I don't feel like this just would be willing to make KR's life easier in any way. I don't completely know why, but this judge runs me the wrong way.

[@YadiMcVey]

Interesting point!

[@missliss2581able]

This police work is SO wild to me. I live in a small city of 40,000 and I’m someone with a locally connected family. My father is a former prosecutor, my cousin’s husband has been mayor for over a decade, my great grandpa was a well known cop and my family is in general well known and respected. And I guaran-goddamn-tee you, if a dead cop was found on my front lawn, they would be searching the shit out of my house. Especially if said cop was supposed to have been attending a party inside hours before and was missing articles of clothing. Wtf even is this?

[@ExcavateThePool.FindChloe]

A police cover up and years of corruption that is trying to still be hidden. But one of my questions relates to the google search made of "how long to die in cold" from one of the parties that was around that night. What would insight someone to search that if they had no idea there was a human dying out on the front lawn of the Deputy Chief?

[@jaimec3159]

Years of corruption… makes me sick

[@notnow7973]

@@ExcavateThePool.FindChloehaha! Yes! I’ve never searched that in my long life.

[@angelareese390]

someone with zero knowledge of anything law enforcement would of known to immediately secure that house and separate everyone inside and get them in asap for statements. the single fact that none of this happened should be enough reasonable doubt for anything going forward. in my opinion. tack on the fact that any piece of evidence handled by Proctor is useless due to his own words/behavior, this is an easy acquittal

[@msh441]

If Karen Read had performed CPR, and had blood on her, as described… her milling around the scene and going anywhere near her vehicle could also account for blood transfer.

[@catela5552]

That's a such a good point!

[@bestboy1986]

No her vehicle was back at John’s house… the vehicle at the scene was somebody else’s

[@B_Bodziak]

​​@@bestboy1986 Remember when she left her home, she was in her vehicle and hit his parked car. Even if she did ride with a friend, having blood on her when she returned to her car, I'm sure she looked at the back to see if there was any damage. One touch could transfer blood particles.

[@sallycinnamon5370]

@@B_BodziakShe preformed CPR after she hit his vehicle.z

[@ginacorbitt]

Such an EXCELLENT point! Law nerds are so smart!

[@kat0726]

We get heavy snow here in Indiana, and we can walk in the snow, then minutes later our footprints are completely covered, so I’m not surprised there were no footprints if it was snowing as hard as they claim.

[@B_Bodziak]

10:22 it looks like a good bit of snow

[@JenFL5]

I agree. Also, there were no clear photos of the surrounding area, no proof the snow between the house & the 'accident' site was undisturbed. Heavy snow + strong winds could easily cover prints in a 4 hour span

[@sallycinnamon5370]

Even if there were prints they would be hard to spot in blowing snow.

[@virginiakelly3541]

I also saw no evidence that it was down to bare grass under O’Keefe… as the prosecution claims as to how they know it happened at 12:30-12:45ish when Karen dropped him off… nor have they asked any of the initial first responders who were there when O’Keefe was moved to “prove” that there was no snow underneath his body. In fact everyone said he was found on the snow… And the pictures save videos haven’t shown anywhere there was bare grass in the area he was found or anywhere else

[@popcornhistory8344]

With the wind and the snow still coming down, any footprints could easily be gone in under an hour. Any juror from the northern half of the country would know that footprints don't stay visible long on heavy snow.

[@virginiakelly3541]

ATF agent Higgins was at the PD at 1:30 after leaving the Albert’s house after leaving the Waterfall bar that night… that seems very odd to go to work at 1:30am after leaving the “after party” of a night drinking with friends

[@LovetheLed]

???😮 What the actual Fuckery?🤯💜

[@soude85]

Exactly, what was he doing at the station and when did he leave again?! This case is f*ed

[@kaitlin4u]

YUPPP sounds like he killed a fellow officer and went straight to the police station to try and have an alibi 🤦‍♀️

[@westieweardogkilts9715]

And now, two weeks later after his testimony we are a little bit more the wiser and still no definitive answers that make sense but WOW the twists and turns!!!!

[@maureenc1284]

That investigator using a leaf blower - great way to wipe out footprints in the snow.

[@laug622]

Comical

[@edwardscott3262]

​@@laug622It's honestly really sad how easily they hid their intentional malice behind a thin veneer of feigned incompetence. It really bothers me how many people want to excuse framing an innocent woman as all just a little oopsie. Like they just didn't know any better.

[@spod414]

"Officer Leaf blower" as Emily named him... I absolutely howled with laughter at that!! 🤣

[@laug622]

Wait!! The best part was the lieutenant used it!! what the frack? 😂

[@marciabarton8923]

Doesn't even look like the leaf blower was very effective on wet sticky snow like that.

[@NonnisDelights]

It's curious that they have spent a lot of time telling us about what was going on after he was dead but I haven't heard anything that tells me she did anything to cause it.

[@B_Bodziak]

Except a few people being told by McLaughlin that kr said she hit him.

[@SavvyGirl751]

She sounds like a person that was distraught that she was doing CPR on her life partner and worried about the kids. Everything the DA is saying just makes me feel worse for her and I don’t understand why they brought charges.

[@origamikiddo2625]

​@@SavvyGirl751same. And I have questions about the repercussions about a psych exam -involuntary if they won't go willingly and forced blood or urine tests!? Like how is that ok and then does that go on your record, as it is, and what restrictions might you have after and if so how many times has that been used as a weapon? Anyway, perhaps the evidence is there but prosecution is doing a terrible job and defense clears many things up which makes us all the out the prosecutor and pretty up when it's defense's turn cuz it'll be spicy and at least we get answers! And can hear the attorney's when they ask questions. I really feel like we should submit surveys on how we are understanding the trial for prosecution to improve

[@jills9373]

@SavvyGirl751 bc they didn't think she'd fight back and would cop a manslaughter plea. Because she didn't do that because she knows she didn't do it ( so do they, but are hell bent on protecting Brian Albert who must have some serious dirt on some people high up the chain due to the nature of the police work he did for the BPD. Somebody/s owed him big time, and he called in a favor), they upped the charges to intentional 2nd degree murder. Still no plea bc she is innocent and is the only one who has fought for justice for John from day one. And here we are. A travesty all around.

[@Alison1973]

​@@origamikiddo2625I feel like they made Karen go to the hospital so they had prove she was drunk. Just adding my opinion. 😊

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Just with what we’ve heard thus far into this trial. It should make all of us scared with police investigations because this is literally off the charts

[@American_Grrl]

I work in the medical health field in Massachusetts and what I know about Section 12 is scary. You get a cop that wants to be in control and suddenly you have lost control of your life

[@LawyER_Nurse1989]

I have not read your S12 but as an ER nurse in Australia we have a S17 and all it allows for is the police to transfer the person to an ER to be assessed if there is a concern that the person is at risk to themself or others which she clearly was if she was telling her dad she would end her life.

[@LuvLight13]

This is so sad. And angers me😡🤯🤬 If I had a dead body or hurt body on my lawn YOU BET those cops would be ALL UP in my home. Period. Disgusting.

[@GiveUaKnuckleSandwhich]

😢Meanwhile THESE home owners were out and up all night drinking..but magically don't see all of the cops and ambulances outside their house...when one of the homeowners is a frickin cop?! I am not buying it that when they knocked on the door...they just then realize scene going on in their front yard...and that no other neighbors were peeking thru the curtains!!

[@missliss2581able]

@@GiveUaKnuckleSandwhichright? Once there was a fire in a building adjacent to one i used to live in. The flashing lights from the fire truck and the noise from it’s engine running was enough to wake me out of a sound sleep with the tv on. I in no way believe there were multiple emergency vehicles, personnel and a woman screaming outside and they didnt notice anything. That defies logic. The house is a bit back from the street but its not in freaking Narnia

[@ravenzyblack]

@@GiveUaKnuckleSandwhich- One of the women was the sister of the owner of the house and the man was her brother-in-law. It wasn’t just some random house and some random cop. She’d been there with her husband earlier partying with everyone.

[@MoffittNatasha]

Coming in to this case like a juror, so far I definitely feel like the case and evidence was mishandled and don't think I could say without a reasonable doubt about what happened that night. I think I could say without a reasonable doubt that it snowed that night though.

[@leehamilton8344]

This should be glad they don't allow jury questions here

[@mariee.5912]

I love jury questions

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@mariee.5912me to! I feel that if this jury was allowed questions that’s all that would they would be doing with all the fuckery we’ve heard just in these first 5 days 😳😳😳

[@marcopalazzo9349]

The trial would never end if the jury asked questions. For every 1 question asked it leaves you with another 5.

[@jennmoslek921]

Facebook friends, solo cups, a leaf blower, a bar fight AND Stop n Shop bags...Holy Hell! I feel like the theme song for the PD should be circus music.

[@LovetheLed]

😂😂😂😂😂💜💜💜

[@angela2091]

Or Benny Hill theme song.

[@jennmoslek921]

@@angela2091 OMG, that's even better! As soon as I read it, I could hear it in my mind! 🤣

[@SavvyGirl751]

And there was testimony that CR did not think they would be welcome there and did not want to go or have him go. CR was upset with the other wives at the party

[@elysemckenzie3334]

The defense opening statement was so effective. Even after a few days I'm still waiting for their cross with every witness to see how they substantiate their statements.

[@me36391]

Real life trials are so much more bizarre than anything TV could come up with, in the end the real truth will never be known.

[@kellicrawford7304]

EDB, how can this trial even continue with that fiasco of “evidence collection”?! Could there be a motion to dismiss based upon that joke of collection?😮

[@jasl9987]

I doubt it because that blood is not the only deciding factor of charging her. If it was the main reason maybe.

[@Quiz261Grl]

Why did Higgins go to police depot at 1am after the party? He wasn’t on duty.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Exactly!

[@2centswanted113]

Where was this attested?

[@Quiz261Grl]

@@2centswanted113 Goode’s testimony today.

[@TheHazchic]

To drop off some tail light for later.

[@2centswanted113]

@@Quiz261Grl I saw thank you

[@samanthahodges5810]

The fact that there are so many open questions and so much space for reasonable doubt, how is it possible this is even at trial?

[@harpy2602]

My mom has MS and quite often loses her train of thought in the middle of a sentence under totally normal circumstances. She'll say "what were we talking about" mid conversation. Brain fog is a very legit symptom. Stress also makes it worse - and even for people without MS, stressful situations ca make you frantic, incoherent, confused, etc. Given everything we know so far, I don't really see what's so pivotal to the prosecution about Karen displaying such behavior

[@LegalTubes]

Exactly such an excellent point

[@harpy2602]

@@LegalTubes So far, the most it's gone toward is it being an accident. Franticly asking "did I hit him / is he dead" and being hysterical doesn't give me murdery vibes at ALL. But so far, no matter how you slice it this case is confusing and weird with too many dangling strings.

[@ravenzyblack]

@@harpy2602- it doesn’t add up to me. He was 6’ 2”, if she had backed into him he would have more bruises on his body, not his face. And it still doesn’t answer what happened to the back of his head even the EMTs and firefighters didn’t mention anything about that. If there’s a severe head injury to the back of the head you would think an EMT would mention that.

[@GonzoMom]

The Albert family is at the center of this entire case!

[@scruff3760]

But there’s NO brake light glass he spotted clear cocktail glass but not coloured brake light glass🤷‍♀️

[@B_Bodziak]

I think the defense needs to do a deeper dive into the evidence Shop and Go bag because I don't think they stressed enough for the jury just how unusual that was. There's no chain of custody -- does anyone know if there was a pre-trial motion about this?

[@sallycinnamon5370]

I think they are going to go through all that with the crime scene experts. But it’s not like it takes much specialized knowledge…just like you know it’s unusual. But these officers don’t even want to admit they know what a crime scene log is…they aren’t gonna admit they botched the collection of evidence.

[@Quiz261Grl]

Jackson is an excellent attorney

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

He sure is!

[@just_g7140]

Yes he is shahp! 😆

[@N.A.H89]

Because the defense is being more effective in their questioning my brain is confusing them as being the prosecution.

[@victoriaryan8323]

OMG!! I love watching you cover this trial without knowing all the facts! I'm sitting here laughing my butt off watching your reactions to certain things I've just recently learned and have responded in the exact same way. So far, it's been a lot of jaw dropping and WTF moments. Anyway, keep up the good work! I'll be joining you every day from now on!

[@LegalTubes]

Agree but I cannot wait for Emily to read the pre-trial documentation and the evidence that was altered etc.. It will be amazing. Emily rock.

[@lauriedaniele5967]

It seems we have heard more about the snow than actually about the victim and how the victim passed

[@valeriemurphy8626]

I think the Prosecutors questions are cleaner in voir dire because in the trial he is trying to baffle the jury not dazzle them with brilliance. He doesn’t really believe in his case

[@warpedhead]

Emily when you pause you should say "Side Bar".....

[@AmyNorm]

“Side Bah”

[@Underacactus]

The leaf blower footage was legendary 😂

[@Chloe.zyxwvu]

Do you have a timestamp? I’ve been listening in the background and missing much of the visuals

[@suemitricka9031]

🤣

[@virginiakelly3541]

@@Chloe.zyxwvu I believe the leaf blower video is in the morning session of court during Lt Gallagher and Goode testimony

[@mirna.lajkina]

@@Chloe.zyxwvu 34:13

[@loudMouse11]

So were the solo cups. I lost my mind when I saw that. My brother n law is a county sheriff so we're somewhat familiar with protocol. I called my husband at work & told him about the red solo cups. He thought I was pranking him cuz no cop ever....😂😮

[@kveals2531]

If I ended up with a dead cop on my front yard in Knoxville I would be swarmed by police they'd be all up in my business!!!

[@annm9589]

It was called in as a “man unconscious in the snow” not a “police officer” which I think would have produced a swarm of cops, experienced cops that would have questions including Boston.

[@PhoebeMc]

Yeah, no joke!!

[@B_Bodziak]

Apparently, only if you're not an officer

[@mariee.5912]

Any other human

[@LegalTubes]

You would be immediately detained and no would at least be questioned separately with recording ps and a follow up report signed.

[@debmuel]

I’m reminded of a time in the early ‘90s testifying in juvenile court for a TPR. I was waiting for the ASA to object. When he finally did, the judge sustained and asked if he knew the grounds. Then looked at me, said “good objection”, shook her head and we moved on.

[@uptownqt]

Apparently in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts the word "Sure" = "Yes". Who knew?? 😂

[@cleopatra444]

also touchè? or douchè ?? what exactly that does mean or am hearing things 👀🤔

[@annm9589]

Touché is a fencing term that means you concede the win to an adversary.

[@caitlinalb]

@@cleopatra444to add to the above comment. As it’s used here it translates to ‘fair play’ or ‘well played’

[@molliwilson5639]

What does the word “ sorta” translate to? LOL

[@cleopatra444]

@@molliwilson5639 is like saying “kind of “ as in “ it was kind of dark when it happened “ but its spelled “ sort of “

[@Britty_90]

It's such a big case, and I couldn't be happier to be here with EDB and bae chat! We have so much more coming! Thanks for being here everyday with us ❤ I just want justice for the O'Keffe family

[@jasl9987]

Same! Love Emily and being here. She really is so funny. I love how she keeps her chat in check too!

[@WatchTashi]

Jen McCabe is the one who needs to be investigated. A good detective presses her, she'll sing like a canary.

[@Alison1973]

Idk if she'd sing, but she definitely needs to be investigated.

[@amandamacabre]

Having seen her testimony now, I think she is the least likely one to sing 😂

[@Polly652]

Weird that there were no footprints between the house and the body. Didn't Jennifer McCabe walk from the body to the house as the paramedics were leaving?

[@spod414]

I've just come on to say that they are trying to say that John didn't go inside the house but then the ppl who attended the house party must still be in the house then because where are their footprints as they left?? ... I still can't/don't believe that nobody saw John laying in the snow as they left 🤷🏽

[@annm9589]

People left the house that night and so covered footsteps doesn’t mean anything. You look at the mailbox and tops of cars to get idea of snowfall.

[@caitlinalb]

@@spod414yes either everyone stayed over, or everyone missed the body 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@valiakloeppel7252]

​@@spod414main entrance is far from his body. He is laid by the curb - lamppost is further up and his body is to the left. His body is close to road

[@valiakloeppel7252]

​@@spod414It was snowing like a blizzard. He was there for hours. Footprints easily got snowed over

[@susancornwall515]

I'm also angry at how many LEOs were drinking and driving that night.

[@stephanieforman9146]

It’s shocking how many cops and firefighters drink and drive!!😡

[@donnadoble-brown338]

Emily I still can’t get past seeing those 6 red solo cups in a Stop and Shop bag! Was that a bad joke??? Good Lawdddd

[@anastasiabeaverhausen7964]

I’m stuck on the glass found by the body. The police said it’s because he had been at the bar earlier so they knew where the glass came from. He took the glass from the bar? And how did he know that so early on?

[@anastasiabeaverhausen7964]

The detective in cross said he didn’t need to find a matching glass, he knew it came from Waterfall… does everyone take their drinks to go? In glass?

[@sallycinnamon5370]

@@anastasiabeaverhausen7964 And if they do…doesn’t that mean that everyone has a few of them in their homes?

[@basicallyno1722]

So does the Waterfall have super unique glasses?

[@loudMouse11]

How did no EMT get cut while kneeling down & rendering aid? Karen & Carrie too for that matter lol

[@basicallyno1722]

@@loudMouse11 An EMT really shouldnt be putting their knees on the ground most times lol We should be squatting.

[@lisaparker773]

Thank you 🙏🏽 so very much Emily Law Nerds And For a great rest livestream today.

[@JC_Chappy]

8:31 lol the snow reminds me of that windows 3.1 screensaver with the stars in warp speed.

[@perryrush6563]

Which is why when it snows, it is not recommended to run emergency lights in the snow

[@samogirl71cb]

Thanks!

[@mlaine2]

„What if anything” is really getting on my nerves

[@YolandaHalfAlmonde]

Who if anyone did sort of encourage you to hate "what if anything" and what if anything could change your mind?

[@thecanrights9184]

Don’t forget when if ever.

[@MostlyMom]

Either yesterday or today he asked “what if anything is happening here?” IF NOTHING WERE HAPPENING PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE MOVING AROUND! Moving, by definition, if a THING! Omg. It’s killing me.

[@MostlyMom]

@@thecanrights9184just waiting for “where, if anywhere?” 💀

[@tiffany2943]

​@@MostlyMom prosecutor said it day 5 morning!

[@marianne8352]

I have no idea what happened here, but I absolutely haven’t seen anything during the trial to date that makes me think that Karen did it!

[@leslie3933]

Right? If she did hit him, seems like an accident to me.

[@Anna-ww4pv]

I haven’t seen anything that makes me think the cops or Karen did it.

[@juliemaring6048]

If she hit him wouldn’t his other shoe be in the vicinity?

[@lesleybarklay798]

@@Anna-ww4pv I agree, but we don't need to know who did it, just was it Karen beyond a reasonable doubt, and all I have are doubts so far.

[@007nadineL]

*FYI: Statement Analysis on KAREN'S words 100% show deception.* *I HIGHLY REC. KZbinR / FORENSIC EXAMINER / BOOK AUTHOR / PAT BROWN'S EXCELLENT ANALYSIS RE HOW KAREN IS PRETTY GUILTY LOOKING.*

[@philbona1193]

I've been watching since Day 1. Am I the only one that hasn't heard/seen actual evidence presented that's bad for the defense? I feel like everything's been getting the same answer that does nothing. Maybe I'm just in the minority here.

[@anduncan15]

Exactly. I'm on the same page. I've been watching the whole thing. All I've learned is it was snowing, witnesses all heard different things, and the police are apparently incompetent at evidence collection.

[@annm9589]

I guess if you believe the police and emt that she “confessed” I hit him, I hit him but they didn’t arrest her or write it in the initial reports.

[@valiakloeppel7252]

They are questioning police etc to shed light on a supposed cover up

[@anduncan15]

​@valiakloeppel7252 kind of. This is the prosecution's case right now. These are their witnesses. The defense gets to cross examine all of them but will put on their actual evidence, their case, after prosecution rests

[@shrekislove1509]

At best they have a confession but the defense has really mudied the water on that. Presumably, the prosecution thinks this confession along with the motive they have yet to introduce is enough to prove murder.

[@Doktracy]

So curious to see Mr. Read’s testimony about section 12 call!

[@LegalTubes]

Agree I am suspicious

[@Zt_physco34]

Alberts never came out the house. Emergcy lights and commotion outside and Jen went in the house

[@007nadineL]

Drunk and passed out Maybe drug use too .

[@JanetSmith900]

I can't possibly see how his arm got sliced up like that from a broken glass. IF he was holding one in his hand and got hit by a car wouldn't it be knocked out of his hand? I can in no way see how it cuts across his arm. I have a relative who put his hand through a glass window accidentally and it gouged a chunk of his arm out. I can't see how the perpendicular lines occurred, etc. And we don't have his clothes to see their condition. I couldn't convict a person with all these unanswered questions. No video, conflicting statements, shady connections, poorly handled evidence.

[@virginiakelly3541]

Good point.. And if he was holding the glass when it broke then wouldn’t there be cuts on his hand as opposed toto his arm

[@elizabethgreen6210]

Fed investigation confirmed he was not hit by a car… it was brought up in a prior filing that the defense argued before trial. Judge still refused to dismiss the charges.

[@jenniferredd1430]

@@virginiakelly3541 Well clearly in MA they hold their glasses in the crook of their elbow under their jackets.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

And think that none of his clothing was ripped or torn, but yet he has all those lacerations deep wounds on his arm 🤷🏻‍♀️ not if it makes sense I do not believe her one second that the Commonwealth is telling the truth I believe this is completely a bunch of people covering for a bunch of people just based on these last five days of testimony and I’m sure it’s only gonna get worse

[@Alison1973]

Also, why would there be so many cuts? Wouldn't there be like 1 huge gouge out of his arm/hand? Doesn't make any sense! They look like dog bites to me

[@usedtobebrewer6627]

Um... I'm still trying to catch up...I have a sick kiddo, but after the grocery sack of blood booze cups... can we just Dismiss w Prejudice like right now!!!!

[@momomomo69]

Even if Karen said "I hit him" that's not grounds to determine she's guilty imo, if I was the jury. And all the other evidence is compromised sooo.. 🤷‍♀️

[@Maddieelovesu]

The “I hit him” can be easily explained by the hysteria of seeing your loved one die. To me, it has never even been evidence. This entire trial is a joke

[@screamqueen1946]

This is how I feel. I have deep seeded issues w guilt & I immediately feel guilty & blame myself for everything, even if it wasn't my fault. I honestly took it as her asking a question "I hit him?!" (If it was actually said, I'm curious if it would show up on the bodycams) or who knows, maybe on the car ride Jen McCabe said to Karen "he never came in, are u sure u didn't hit him?" Planting the seed in a distressed, probably half drunken, still half asleep person's mind. So maybe after having the thought mentioned to her, she saw her tail light from when she hit his car (which she might've not remembered doing) so was screaming to Jen "I hit him?!"

[@jenbee2578]

Please be safe in the swirly weather, Emily!! 🙏❤️

[@DR-jv3hk]

Replay crew! Thank you Emily!

[@MinaBurrows]

Thank you Emily and team. Excellent coverage! ❤

[@trishnickles2236]

Happy Birthday, Emily! I hope you have a wonderful celebration. 🎂💜💜

[@MyWyomingLife]

Thanks EDB for the coverage. Appreciate you very much!

[@janibalector]

I have some major doubt.

[@FLMegan]

Mega 🙋‍♀️ Doubt

[@basicallyno1722]

Indeedy megadoodoo

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

SAME!

[@Alison1973]

​@@basicallyno1722 Lmao!! H3??

[@LemonwaterLally]

Ok I’m downloading the app…..I’m riveted 😳

[@marlbboro8091]

Everyone dislikes the sighing , the fan etc etc. for me it’s ‘sure’ sounds like ‘if you say so’ to me. 🤣

[@screamqueen1946]

Definitely how they're saying it!

[@herroyalhighness5634]

1:35:19 towards the beginning of his testimony officer Goode said it was so loud from the wind blowing that you had to yell at the person right next to you to hear what they were saying. I can’t remember if McLaughlin said that Read said or yelled “i hit him”, but based on what Goode said about the noise of the storm it would be possible for one person to hear something different that someone a couple feet away or pointed in a different direction from the person speaking couldn’t hear

[@carliesmith3252]

Every time I watch dash cam it becomes less believable that the Alberts didn’t know what was happening on their front lawn. No one came out? They heard Karen screaming, no one came out?

[@flatwhiskers]

IMO, they were too busy cleaning the crime scene and getting their stories straight.

[@007nadineL]

Passed out from drinking heavy Maybe drugs too

[@mangotango2399]

Even Jen McCabe & Kerri Roberts seem to act fine in the dash video. I know people respond differently but seeing a dead body is traumatizing/shocking as is.

[@B_Bodziak]

Is the prosecution trying to find their theory while questioning witnesses?

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Sounds like it!

[@HeatherB81]

This case is getting even more juicy!! Love your channel!! Thank you!

[@jessibaker2308]

If glass were the culprit of his arm injury….small bits would be embedded in his arm at minimum, think of a time a glass injury of this alleged level where you aren’t picking glass small to large out of the wound?

[@marciabarton8923]

Just catching up here but I have thoughts & questions: why aren't they going thru the snow around the body with a fine toothed comb? Seems like everone and their brother trampled all 9ver the scene. Granted the snow fall was intense but couldn't they have covered the scene with a tarp? I agree having a drink glass from the bar is very unusual. How do they get to section 12 her based on her father's call? Couldn't they have asked the homeowners to allow some people to be interviewed inside the house instead of making everyone freeze their asses off? How can the house owners still be asleep with all the commotion & lights in their own front yard (even without sirens)?

[@anduncan15]

So many thoughts but... I thought after this morning we were past the snow. Holy cow the leaf blower and red solo cups! 😳 Reeks of incompetence at best. Finally.. what if anything... i could go the rest of my life without hearing this.

[@megmagruder7124]

Shall we just say WIA; so we never have to type it out again.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@megmagruder7124absolutely 😂😂😂 I’m do over those 3 words.

[@kayreive]

The *other* car cam that was terrible was because that cop didnt use his heater on the windshield..I live in Canada and know my snow well :)

[@jasl9987]

This was so interesting to watch and get the backround comments from Emily so we can understand it better.

[@dianalang8817]

Replay crew today..... Lally's questioning is a present for the insomniac. Officer O'Keefe deserves better than that. ( But then again, we said the same about Creighton in the beginning). Love from England xxx

[@marianne8352]

Unfortunately it doesn't work for sleep... I'm in Aus and tried listening to the morning session live last night to put me to sleep, but it made me so frustrated that I had no chance of sleeping 🤣

[@virginiakelly3541]

@@marianne8352 agreed I have yelled at the proceedings and got increasingly agitated and simultaneously upset for the victim and his family given the lack of investigation that seems to have happened in getting to the bottom of what happened to John O’Keefe regardless of who is to blame for it.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@marianne8352that’s where I’m at 😂😂 it’s 12:37 am here in the us and I’ll be up all damn night now.

[@lisacyr8636]

Thanks for covering this trial, we’re in Massachusetts, and it been a shit show since the beginning, and most people here feel she’s innocent!!

[@guymitchell3842]

Every police officer knows to never let the blood evidence get anywhere close to the vehicle in question.

[@virginiakelly3541]

You would think… but by all accounts this far logic, procedure, etc has been ignored/forgotten

[@aoky9179]

i had NO idea about this case, and as a juror, there would be NO way i could ever find her guilty based off just the police work alone, at DAY 5

[@staceybell1429]

I love you Ms Emily how you think and what you say!So smart !!!!

[@heathersomerville6725]

Happy Birthday Emily! Wishing you a year filled with love, laughter and good health!

[@Quiz261Grl]

Gallagher under cross agreed with defence attorney that any footsteps from the house would have been covered by snow over time.

[@elainejohnson6955]

No tail light pieces found on site on day of incident???? No tire tracks if she supposedly hit him there?

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

Tire tracks in the snow? The smallest amount of snow would counteract the friction required to create tire tracks.

[@xXRandomPianoXx]

30:41 Replay Crew. Um, if there was a party in the house after a night out, how could the house be organized and “in order?” Pretty sure the last thing I’d wanna do is clean my house after a night like that.

[@jodagg3982]

So it's sounds like the Canton PD is fall down, and have been for some time. So maybe this is why Officer O'keefe was not really welcome to the exclusive Boston "boys".

[@MelSan-jc8nk]

If you watched one dateline episode.. you’d be better cops then canton PD

[@SabertoothedTiger69]

My dog is a better cop than Canton PD...

[@aprilblackburn7165]

He went to his house for a leaf blower but they couldn’t go and get swabs for blood samples?!?!? WTF

[@Just-in-Space]

Or plastic bags!

[@mrsztodd7954]

Finally an Emergency Response officer who refers to the deceased as Officer not just Mister….

[@exstock]

Argh, I am SO invested in this case, but I'm also super-invested in Delphi! Things are going to get painful for me real fast real soon!!! 😓

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Same! I’m watching this one and Chad Daybell’s trial.

[@exstock]

@@Tammy_26Irwin Ooo, I thought about that one, but I was only in and out of Lori’s case, and I figured 3 would definitely be too much!

[@tracysteagall8500]

So did they find all of the glass? Part of the glass? Where is the rest of the glass if he had partial of glass with him? If not broken how does it not break if hit by an SUV?

[@annm9589]

And why didn’t they check to see if the house had the same glasses? It seems odd to me.

[@caitlinalb]

Did they re-assemble the glass to make sure it matched the bar glass?!

[@basicallyno1722]

Yeah how do they know it’s the bar’s glass or the Albert’s glass? Because they never searched the Albert home…

[@MzChrizzy]

This reeks of cover up by the police. It makes me wonder what the intended cover story was going to be if Karen had not coneniently come looking for him and questioned herself. Another question I have is why she didn't pound on the door of the house screaming for help when she and her friend got there?? She knew there were other cops in the house. Wouldn't you want help from them? I wouldn't want to wait for an ambulance. I still think she was framed but, dayymm do I have questions!?? LOVE to you EDB! Happy B-Day Month!!💜💜💜

[@annm9589]

I think she was gaslight and believed she perhaps could have done it. Idk that she was thinking clearly. The professionals should be. Initially they said “snowplow” and later said girlfriend. Imo it was convenient to thing her.

[@valiakloeppel7252]

I do not think she was framed. I think they argured- she dropped him off, and when she made 3 point turn- she accidently caught him. Maybe he was bending to retrieve cocktail glass. She told her Dad that she thought she hit something. She was extremely drunk (7-9 vodkas). She went home, fell asleep a bit, and woke up very upset.

[@B_Bodziak]

Even if it doesn't reek, it certainly has that air of doubt

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@valiakloeppel7252 She could have been remembering backing into his car as hitting something. Every one has testified that she was severely distraught and all over the place.

[@kassiopiajudkins2722]

​@@valiakloeppel7252So far we have no evidence to go along with your theory other than the fact that O'Keefe was dropped off. After 14 witnesses. Her innocence should still be assumed.

[@melissagilby3959]

So the prosecution says he didn’t go into the house…so where did the broken cocktail glass come from? I can’t believe they didn’t search that house, it makes me so mad! 😡

[@Quiz261Grl]

Apparently from the Waterfall Bar from earlier in the night. Apparently he took it from the bar.

[@AliceM6192]

The thing is that the police didn’t know JO apparently left the bar with the glass until a few days later when they viewed the video tapes.

[@nitpickersheadliceremoval3805]

28:28 100% this guy was coached to cover questions raised last week

[@Carlamass]

Nothing really matters, the investigation was fucked sideways from the start. What an injustice they did for the officer! I’m ashamed to be from the State of Massachusetts, it was a botched investigation from the get-go.

[@GalaXIIIEnt]

Mr. Of Course Not 🤣🤣 I've taken to calling him Lt. Solo Cup. Thanks for being so informative and hilarious, EDB!

[@royhandy8365]

I have to admit that this Judge is growing on me. I am so tired of cases in which shoddy police work is uncovered. Solo cups and grocery store paper bags. A cop who has a history of being light on people involved with the case. This stuff is nuts. edit: Why didn't Lank excuse himself from a case involving his friends? It's a mystery for sure!

[@Lc0522]

I've watched probably 400 trials, she's by far the most biased, awful judge I've ever seen. So, not sure what at all your talking about I do agree that it's a very very good thing this is all coming out. But it has nothing to do with her, she can't legally keep it out

[@Lauren-lawless]

@@Lc0522exactly, my relative is a judge and we’ve been watching together and she gets more and more angry over this judge every day of trial.

[@yfisher11]

This case is sooooo much better than any crime TV series

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

And to think a woman life is on the line and this kind of police investigation happens all the time not just in Canton

[@belindamoody4055]

It is kind of weird that Jen McCabe didn't go inside to get Brian Albert for help since he is an officer/first responder.

[@blastypowpow]

Darn it. I’m really behind live court now. I’m on day five and you guys are on day nine. I guess I’m going to be taking my earbuds with me everywhere I go. I can also speed it up to 1.25 or 1.5. I just want to be able to hang out with people live. How much longer is this case expected to last? I’ve absolutely stayed away from media about the trial because I don’t want spoilers. 🤭

[@jjhampton4283]

Replay Crew! This, by far, was the best review of this trail and just the best review in a long time! You had me laughing so hard this am with yr reactions! ❤❤❤

[@LisaPFrampton]

Replay crew here.

[@OneVintageWitch]

Just finished on 2x speed, ready for today's trial!

[@LovetheLed]

I wish I knew how to fast forward this!💜

[@amandaf6110]

I want to know about the clothing!

[@EleanorRoseRyan]

NOW we know where the leaf blower came from 😂😂😂

[@kathybenes3137]

🎉so glad you are here ❤️