Mach-E's Revised Charging Curve Revealed!

[@JuliusSDeLaCruz]

Thumbs up just for the Channel Name Alone! Moving up to the Bay Area next month, and still waiting for my Mustang Mach E Premium to go into production.

[@seanplace8192]

Good to see that the charging curve was somewhat fixed. It still drops off peak rates way too early.

[@t34bravo]

Great video. Thanks for the info. I just picked up my 22 GT performance last week and love it so far.

[@dedoll7627]

Same here

[@brettblattner8021]

Mache can accept more than 350amps which is why you can get more kw on the 350kw chargers. The 150kw ABB chargers are limited to 350amps, so Mache cannot get 150kw on these because the nominal voltage is sub 400v. Don't know if Ford has said how many amps it can accept but guessing its around 400amps.

[@ev_kimchi]

Makes sense -- excellent stuff

[@reidhester]

Thanks, most helpful and interesting. I'll remember your recommendations when we get our Mach e.

[@pikaskew]

Good point on avoiding 50kw chargers if 50+ ones are available. Although I would be interested to see how much is lost when charging at faster rates (due to changes in efficiency)

[@amartinossi]

Very helpful. Thank you for the video!

[@DaveB038]

Didn’t expect and ID4 in the garage. You should do a charge curve test on that one too :)

[@ev_kimchi]

I should....

[@MrTact67]

FYI your chapter markers above the 10 minute mark didn’t register correctly.

[@anthonyc8499]

Nice video and lots of good data! Is the charging curve identical regardless if you plug in at 0%, 10%, 20%, etc? Seems like that first 15-20 minutes is the sweet spot for the fastest charging before it drops down to the 70-80kW plateau.

[@ev_kimchi]

The Mach-E is strange in that the high peak of 135-150-ish is time-based, not SOC based totally. You'll see about 30sec-3min of that peak even if you start with 30% or more. However, the rest of the curve seemed to follow the general soc-related levels you can see from my data. Generally 15-20minutes is a good rule for how long charging may take, depending on what SOC you pull in with, the temperature of the battery, and other things. If you're getting under 70KW and you are below 80% SOC, something is wrong with the charger or your car, but you're wasting your time pretty much.

[@anthonyc8499]

@@ev_kimchi knowing that 20 minutes is the fastest charging window, what’s the ideal road trip charging itinerary to cover as much distance as possible if you start with a full charge (say from NorCal to Oregon)?

[@anthonyc8499]

@@ev_kimchi getting 40% SoC back in 20 minutes means you can unplug and likely hit the next EA station 75-85 miles away. That might be the best move to cover the most distance as quickly as possible.

[@speedballjones5235]

I looked at the Mach-E but this is exactly why I chose the Tesla, the charging network. You can't beat it.

[@ev_kimchi]

Thanks Elon.

[@smokescreenFromThe6ix]

I'm confused, aren't these chargers universal?? You can only charge the Mach E at certain places?? 🤔

[@_cjmccullough]

Wow so the much cheaper VW ID.4 charges significantly faster than the Mustang to any percent. That makes that decision much easier. But of course the mustang has a far bigger battery so that’s definitely why. Just wish it was a lot faster.

[@ev_kimchi]

I also have an ID.4, and have road-tripped them both. In practical terms, there's little difference in how long we wind up stopping for a charge. We've never really found ourselves waiting for the car to stop, there's always leg stretching, kids eating or going to the bathroom, etc. Of course, we'd all like really faster charging, but you'll see that as more manufacturers move to 800V systems like you find in the Taycan, EV6, Ioniq 5 etc.

[@_cjmccullough]

@@ev_kimchi of course but those will be much more expensive than something like the ID.4 and it’s about to get an update 3.0 on the ID.4 for faster charging up to 135kw which is basically going to make it charge as fast as Tesla and many others in just about 32 minutes. From 0-80%. That’s fast enough for me

[@mikesandler48]

Just got the gte this week. I will try a high speed charger tomorrow. I am scared.

[@ev_kimchi]

nothing to be scared about

[@southern9292]

I would be curious to know how many kWh Electrify America said they output vs how much your MME PE said it received? And how many Mi/kWh your seeing driving your car? I have the same (similar) car on order & am wondering what I might expect.

[@ev_kimchi]

Good question. My data is from the car's logs, utilizing an OBD-II dongle and phone app called Car Scanner. There's a very slight loss in current caused by the charger's electrical resistance, as well as the car's systems that actually energize the battery cells. There's also some loss to running lights, HVAC etc. Generally I've seen this to be less than 2-3kW, but I have not had the chance to do a precise comparison between displayed charge on the EA screen and what's logged in the car. If you do this, however, you can see it's close enough to be a negligible loss. Good luck with your delivery -- it's a great car!

[@EV_OBD]

@@ev_kimchi In Car Scanner you can see the difference between charger output (EV Charger Power) and what goes to battery (EV/HEV Battery Power), as well as charger max nominal output: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6e2c5uCq86pe9E

[@ev_kimchi]

@@EV_OBD yeah you're right there are PIDs for all of those. I think I might have logged all of them, I can go back to my data. But I think my statement is still accurate that the different values show the losses are negligible

[@davidchavez9729]

Quick question 🙋‍♂️ what credit score you recommend going in when buying a E from ford I’m building up my credit currently at 570 but in wild land fires 2nd year You think 🤔 it would be worth getting it now or hold up cause I don’t want the price on them to go up

[@seanplace8192]

I would hold off until EV prices settle down. Most dealers are charging huge markups on new cars, especially EV's. So if you don't need a new car, just wait a year or two for supply to catch up with demand.

[@marryellen7713]

Ford offers "0" percent interest free for 3 years.

[@rbarcal1]

Love it, thank you!

[@geoffevarts1450]

Great video! How were you able to get the software update to increase your battery capacity from 88kWh to 90kWh?

[@ev_kimchi]

I have the equipment to update the software on my car myself, but you can get the revised charging curve and (I tihnk) slightly increased capacity by contacting your dealer and seeing if you qualify for the CSP 21P22 update.

[@geoffevarts1450]

@@ev_kimchi Yes I got the 21P22 update from the dealer. World love to get the increase battery capacity but I don't think the dealer would provide the update even though the software is available. Do you know what the software code # is?

[@ev_kimchi]

@@geoffevarts1450 if you got 21P22 you have the software

[@geoffevarts1450]

@@ev_kimchi I thought the 21P22 was just for the charging curve? For the increase battery capacity, from 68kwh to 70kwh for the Select model, is there anyway I can confirm that my battery capacity has been updated?

[@MattCoarr]

@@geoffevarts1450 Unfortunately, Ford has said that model year 2021s will not get the added capacity (extra kWh). Do you have a 21 or a 22? (21 owner here)

[@marryellen7713]

How or where do you see the charge rate graph? I just get a % of charge bar graph on my screen.

[@ev_kimchi]

yes you do -- look into an OBD-II reader and an app on your phone called Car Scanner to log the data from your car like I did

[@billyhouse1943]

Thank you.. good info..

[@Crazypostman]

wow you have a lot of data points on your charging curve you must have had some kind of automated way to log that! I made a charge curve on the base model, I beat you to 90%! my battery is smaller so my 90% doesn't go as far though 😂 my results were 10% in 4:15 25% in 11:45 50% in 24:54 75% at 39:59 90% at 56:42 I didn't go to 100% I stopped at 90

[@ev_kimchi]

I used an app called Car Scanner which allows you to log any of the PID data from your car via an OBD-II reader.

[@bruiser1010]

How did you know the battery temperature was 79 degrees and that would be optimal for the fast charge? Ford doesn’t provide a gauge for the battery temperature does it?

[@ev_kimchi]

check out an OBD-II reader and the Car Scanner app for iOS or Android. That lets you read and log a ton of data from the car, including these values that Ford does not display for you within the car. Preconditioning the car by setting a "departure time" reveals the spec temp to which Ford heats/cools the battery.

[@mikesandler48]

How do you get the DC charger to release when done charging?

[@ev_kimchi]

if you haven't stopped it from the car's screen, you can stop it at the EA dispenser by pressing the right-most button, labelled "STOP"

[@marryellen7713]

@@ev_kimchi The ford Mustang -E has a button in the charging well. As your car charges a ring of blue lights circulate. In the middle is the stop button.

[@billyd7806]

That was informative but that stinks if 150KW is highest charge rate if I understood that correctly. What is max KW charging @ a 350KW charger? Thanks,

[@ev_kimchi]

The Mach E has a max accepted of 150kw.

[@ELP1125]

Mach N Cheese 😂. Nice

[@troyvoorhees]

Did you get this new charging algorithm via an OTA update, or did you download it yourself?

[@ev_kimchi]

I updated my car myself via FDRS -- if your car qualifies you can ask your dealer to apply "CSP 21P22" to obtain this and many other software updates stuck behind Ford's poor OTA infrastructure

[@troyvoorhees]

@@ev_kimchi Thanks for the info! I also have a '21 GTPE - in Cyber Orange, of course

[@ev_kimchi]

@@troyvoorhees 21 GTPE does not qualify for the 21P22 update I believe. You can search the MachEForum.com to confirm this.

[@OriginalGrayWolf]

@@ev_kimchi Unfortunately, this is still true. Thanks for sharing a great video!

[@amazingcode2032]

Great video

[@rhondaarnold3153]

Do you know how to get my car closer to the 300 mile range? Currently at 90% its only giving a range of 244

[@reidhester]

That could be due to cold weather. You might also consider resetting the "guess o meter."

[@rhondaarnold3153]

@@reidhester I am in southern Cali not cold. How do I reset it 😁 just got my car 4/6

[@anthonyc8499]

@@rhondaarnold3153 don’t worry about the range estimator. Just drive your Mach-E normally. The range is whatever the range is. Just pay attention to your miles per kWh to get the best idea of your efficiency.

[@rhondaarnold3153]

@@anthonyc8499 thanks 😊

[@reidhester]

@@rhondaarnold3153 I don't have ours yet but have read that on the 'interwebs' that you can do this. I'd check the owner's manual.

[@letsrock8194]

Wow $39 for about 250 miles range. That’s expensive. Gas car you can drive over 500 miles and cost to fill it up around $80

[@_cjmccullough]

That’s the same price….just doubled

[@_cjmccullough]

@@spoodthang2146 it may be more eco friendly from a plant perspective but not from a person to person perspective. Gas is still more expensive especially now and there are plenty of cheaper EV options if you can’t afford the other options. You can be in full EV for less than 20k with 200+ miles easily. It’s not that expensive nowadays.

[@speedballjones5235]

The charge cost is insanely expensive.. eeeks!!!

[@ev_kimchi]

with the EA discount, it's general $0.31/KWh. Remember if you're not making a KZbin video testing a charging curve, no typical owner is going to be shooting in 89 KWh in one charging sesh. The per mile costs of an EV -- even while DC fast charging on a road trip -- are lower than paying for gas in California.

[@marryellen7713]

What is a "ICE" car?

[@ev_kimchi]

ICE = Internal Combustion Engine, or a car that burns the juice of dead dinosaurs

[@marryellen7713]

@@ev_kimchi There is no dilithium crystals power plants

[@BuellXB12SDucati1198]

Until the Mock-E gets a heat pump, it is best to look elsewhere.

[@ev_kimchi]

Please do.

[@marryellen7713]

What is a heat pump? What does it do in a car?

[@greggb681]

48 minutes to 80% is painful. Cool car, but would be a pain for a long roadtrip

[@ev_kimchi]

I will just say that unless you're making a KZbin video or are doing the latest cannonball record attempt, you generally are never doing what I did in this video of charging the car from ZERO percent, so a typical roadtrip will have 20-30 min stops. With my family, stopping every 2-3 hours would be happening anyhow so this is not a big deal to me. Of course, you can find other EVs that have faster charge curves if you frequently roadtrip, but everything has compromises. Or I guess you can enjoy fast fuel stops .... with $7 gas.

[@anthonyc8499]

Or you know, you could just drive for 2 hours, stop for 20 minutes, then drive for 2 more hours and you're almost 300 miles down the road. Stop for 40 minutes lunch, then drive another 150 miles. Seems pretty normal and not much different than in my old gas car.

[@jollygreen4662]

About 35$ wow

[@fciscokid]

I was astonished of how expensive it was to charge myself. Also time time you've wasted charging.

[@ev_kimchi]

I love how you watched my video in order to criticize me for taking the time to make it.

[@ev_kimchi]

with the EA discount, it's general $0.31/KWh. Remember if you're not making a KZbin video testing a charging curve, no typical owner is going to be zapping in 89 KWh in one charging sesh!

[@fciscokid]

@@ev_kimchi it was not a criticism it was comment of how long it took to charge. We appreciate the effort of the video that’s why we watch them. Keep up the good work.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

t's pointless to think a 150KW (Tke Extended range battery) rate can go higher on a 350KW charger. Go to a 150 KW charger. Save the 350 KW chargers for the EVs that can actually use 800V architecture. This charging curve is bad and only done so that Ford can state it can do 150 KWs, yet the average is far, far lower. Absolutely a joke, Ford. Now I know not to trade in my Ioniq 5 for any Mach E; c'mon Ford. Major adjustments need to be done on the curve. Edit: Li-Ion batteries can handle 2C charge rates. 2C = 2 x battery capacity. Nubies always think my car will charge faster on a 350 KW charger ; no, it'll just cost more than using the proper charger (150 KW).

[@ev_kimchi]

I'm glad my video and your comments helped you to justify getting another car. Usually it's the Teslabros who visit to leave comments saying their car is better, but I guess Hyundai owners have insecurities in their own vehicle purchase choices as well.

[@wa3yoa]

Why are you tying up a 350KW charger? You would block someone who can really use the 350KW charger. Your Mach E can't charge at that rate. Stick with the 150KW chargers please. Stop being rude.

[@ev_kimchi]

I was at a 150kw charger, but thanks for the wrong charger citation, Mr. Charger Officer.

[@paulo3011]

Was it tied up? Based on the video evidence, it was pretty clear that he was really using it. Given most vehicles cannot charge above 250 kw/h, most cars cannot really use it. Even cars that can cannot stick to 350kw/h for the entirety of the charge cycle. By your poorly defined, arbitrary idea of "really using it", only Lucid and Genesis can charge there, which represents like < 1% of the market. Just a wild guess, but I'm pretty sure EA intended to allow more than just a handful of models to use their network. Maybe you didn't realize that more cars using their network = more money. If you want to address a real problem, I'd suggest you spend your time getting EA to keep their network maintained. Thier chargers being down for weeks at a time is a much biggger issue that ties spaces up more than this one KZbinr in this one video. Given how little they care about maintaining their chargers so they're not tied up being completely unusable, it stands to reason that maybe, just maybe, this vehicle isn't an issue.

[@clarkwnicholls252]

Music TOO LOUD!!! Dial it back to the level of your voice!!!

[@ev_kimchi]

This was only my third video I've ever edited. Thanks for your feedback, I'll keep it in mind.

[@theluftwaffel]

quiet voice, LOUD EAR BLASTING MUSIC - please normalize your audio lol... good video though, thanks

[@ev_kimchi]

video editing isn't my day job, but thanks for the feedback. I'll try and watch the levels on the next one.