Machining a Miniature Shaper from the 1800's -- The Ram Casting

[@opieshomeshop]

I'm really surprised you don't have more subscribers. I know most people are probably watching to be entertained but I watch because I learn the most from your channel. I'm a mechanic by trade going into machining at a late age. So its all new to me. Your channel and Mr Pete I learn the most from.

[@ikkentonda]

It’s the little things that make Joe’s videos so great: Those silly little shop gems (the 3/8” hex key cutoff to save aggravation removing vice jaws, and the balancing vice handle trick in this case). The order of ops, referencing, and metrology tips have also helped me make much better parts. Nothing better on KZbin!

[@opieshomeshop]

@@ikkentonda Yeah I agree. Quite a bit of old school going on here. As well as reference materials like the trigonometry booklets. I now have a collection of them. Hard to find but they show up on ebay from time to time. I do think someone needs to send Joe a bearing set for his milling machine.... LOL

[@orlandomil]

I just subscribed. Thanks you for making great videos. 👍🏿I found it to be entertaining, educational and something to look forward to doing.

[@jamesdavis8021]

Joe is a great teacher.many of the others think they are movie stars.

[@opieshomeshop]

@@jamesdavis8021 LOL..... Thats a good one.

[@matthewfort3740]

this little jewel is going to give us new tricks in coming up with ways to machine parts.

[@TomokosEnterprize]

My favorite part of Sunday is my visit to Joe Pie's channel. Hello Joe ! Leaving the quill up as far as possible makes sense esp with the smaller bits/cutters. They are far more affected by any clearance issues within the quill body. They/it increases over length if that makes any sense. Lovin it my friend. See you next post.

[@joepie221]

Thanks for dropping by.

[@CraigLYoung]

Thanks for sharing 👍 and Happy Father's Day.

[@just-my-2-cents]

Happy Fathers Day to the most underrated machinist on KZbin! You have always provided first class content packed with information and minimal fluff. Thanks for all your content. Don

[@danbreyfogle8486]

I am not a machinist but a woodworker. I mention this because I find the order of operation so interesting in your videos. As a woodworker we seldom have so many operations in a single piece, but each time I see you break down how to end up with a finish piece it reminds me to do the same, even on a simple part. Thank you for a great video.

[@andrewpopoff3453]

It is a great feeling when cast material cleans up

[@jeremycable51]

Beast mode on Father’s Day thanks again for making me realize I can do better Ive spent the day tearing down the apron and lead screws on my lathe it’s time to clean and degrease everything

[@georgehollowell9295]

Another awesome video. Superb job as usual. I don't know if I can remember all the tips you gave. It is a good thing it will remain on the internet so I can come back and watch it again.

[@notsonominal]

I’m really enjoying this miniature series, thanks for sharing!

[@ghl3488]

Yes, masterclass again and thanks Joe. I learn so much from your videos. We had a 32 inch G & E shaper in the workshop (just like Abom's) but both machines do the same thing! Regards from Wales

[@wallbawden5511]

couple of shop gems in there thanks Joe the one with the Vice handle you showed a long wile ago and i have used it ever sense great little trick that one cheers

[@johnferguson2728]

Nicely done Joe. It’s good to have you back. I hope this is an indication that you are on the mend.

[@alwaysbearded1]

Lots of great tips as usual. In my next life maybe I'll be a machinist. I enjoy the design and thought process that goes into getting these operations done to such a high standard.

[@frodobaggins169]

It's always a pleasure watching you work.

[@peteengard9966]

Only one word comes to mind. Masterful !!!!

[@grntitan1]

Just make sure when nudge that vise handle with your “third hand” that both of your other two hands are clear. That vise closes with an amazing amount of force. I’m speaking from experience. A lesson you only need to be taught once.

[@Jabbaholl]

glad you're back and uploading regularly again.

[@artursmihelsons415]

As always, enjoyed the video! 😊 I love to see mind behind every step in Yours videos.. 👍

[@BensWorkshop]

Using the boring head in reverse to produce a round feature is one of those tricks you would probably never think of but is so obvious once you have seen it. Great tip! Good work, that part is looking good!

[@joepie221]

Thanks.

[@TheKnacklersWorkshop]

Hello Joe, Once again enjoyable viewing, thank you. Cheers. Paul,,

[@alanjackson4397]

I always enjoy your videos and learn unique ways to set up a machining operation and happy Father’s Day Joe

[@joepie221]

Thanks 👍

[@123Shel12]

Excellent video! I enjoy watching you apply your skills to projects that involve small parts and very close tolerances. This project really appeals to my obsessive compulsive tendencies! As the saying goes, “measure with a micrometer - mark with a chalk - and cut with an axe!”

[@Jims-Workshop]

I always learn something from watching your videos, thanks Joe!

[@joeziegler9054]

Happy Father's Day Joe! Thanks for the video today. Always amazing techniques and work that you do.

[@stratocaster1greg]

Looks just like the one on my Atlas. Your setups and overall approach are so educational. Thanks Joe.

[@howder1951]

Happy Father's Day Joe, and thanks for the machining gift, great looking shaper on the way!

[@donmadere4237]

Awesome looks just like the real thing!

[@droppedpasta]

I love watching these scale machine builds. They always make me wonder how it’s done with multiple-hundred pound castings on a full size machine

[@joepie221]

And how did they machine the very first one??

[@DavidWilliams-rn6uq]

Files, scrapers, gnawing on it with an angry beaver…

[@atothek1804]

Metal milling and related meter reading very well done. Maybe cut of some measurements and repeat sections. Other hand it's just that what must be enough to show part can't be done without repeating cycles measurements, attach part. measure, adjust, measure and end milling. Admire your determination to make part just how you want it to be. I learned from your videos a lot. Thank you 🙂 Hope you are doing maybe some cutting in a next videos of this series. just a development proposal.

[@ChazzC]

Joe, always great watching you produce the miniature parts on your full-size machines. And the tips & advice presented is priceless.

[@joepie221]

I'm glad you enjoy them.

[@ChazzC]

@@joepie221 Not just enjoy - they inspire me to do better! Happy 4th!!

[@russellmcclenning9607]

Thank you Joe for another great video

[@JohnBare747]

Thanks Joe, as always entertaining and informative.

[@ChrisB257]

Super work again Joe - shows well just how set-ups are so crucial, as well as in many cases, the chosen sequence of operations. I remember many cases when I was hard pressed to decide - what first?! Some nice tricks you included. Mustn't forget also - much patience required :)

[@bwyseymail]

No, Who is on first, What is on second.

[@christurley391]

Thanks for the video Joe.

[@mperry9025]

Thanks Joe

[@varmint243davev7]

Excellent work !

[@TheEvertw]

Excellent point about the whole surface needing to be gone before registring 250. Wouldn't have thought of that...

[@joepie221]

Only for the c'bore. Slots are conventional.

[@AJR2208]

Nothing wrong with overkill Joe - you're doing much more than showing off little machines. Your techniques & approaches are gold for anyone to apply to so many other things (provided anyone pays attention to your teachings). So, Many Thanks from me for your time & knowledge. Hope all is good on your side of the world. Stay safe and well :)

[@joepie221]

Thank you very much.

[@AmiPurple]

Awesome video, enjoyable to watch, many thanks for taking the time to do these KZbin videos.

[@joepie221]

My pleasure. It really does add extra time to the project.

[@Miniatures-And-More]

Awesome Job ! , I See How Much You are Enjoying Doing This Job , Happy machining !

[@joepie221]

I really am.

[@mrlejones]

Love watching you build these kits! so informative and so fun..

[@joepie221]

Thanks. They do present a lot of opportunities to get creative.

[@Preso58]

Nice work Joe. I particularly liked that set-up with the spring loaded 123 block. Gotta remember that one!

[@joepie221]

It works. Just be gentle with the side load.

[@davidmyhre2720]

Hey Joe, Its all about work holding its good to see a different point of view. Be safe

[@grntitan1]

Work holding vs order of operations. The order of operations can greatly effect your work holding. You can easily paint yourself in a corner so to speak.

[@lennym1273]

Great video Joe thanks...

[@michaelryan6884]

Nice work, Joe! Stay cool....it's frying here in Austin...lol. Always good to watch a master at work.

[@joepie221]

Right around 3:00 the main heat kicks in. Its a hot streak for sure.

[@jackpledger8118]

Great video Joe. Some very good "how to" lessons.

[@joepie221]

Thanks 👍

[@drevil4454]

Joe, I don't know whether the viewers are like me but it would be nice if you can share with us what machines you use, when you bought it, why you bought this particular model (and yes we will understand if cost was the major deciding factor) etc, etc. Just a quick reference while you are doing a job would be brilliant. Also your choice of tool pick would be nice.

[@bcbloc02]

Looks real good!

[@NellsMechanicalManCave]

Really like that trick with the boring head. Never seen that before, but as you know I'm still a novice. Another trick in my tool box, thanks Joe 👍🏻

[@joepie221]

For boring heads that screw on, use a LH bar and still run forward.

[@Micscience]

Thank you Joe for sharing your skills and your wisdom with us. It is much appreciated from a passive viewer take care.

[@joepie221]

Happy to do it.

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

very good job joe

[@roberthiggins1142]

As always it is a pleasure watching your video's

[@joepie221]

Thank you.

[@SlowEarl1]

Always pick up a tip or two! Thanks Joe!!

[@joepie221]

Any time!

[@TheTacktishion]

A lot of planning and work in that part....!

[@toolbox-gua]

Looks so good!

[@joepie221]

Thanks

[@donstelfox2936]

Looks great, though I wasn't sure how you were going to make that work. Cheers.

[@angelramos-2005]

Lots of info.Thank you.

[@joepie221]

Glad it was helpful!

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

Thanks for another interesting video.

[@joepie221]

Thanks for dropping by Harold. Going to the bash this year?

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

@@joepie221 no sir the travel is much too expensive for me.

[@be007]

thanks for the upload joe, like de mini series very mucho, cheers ben.

[@joepie221]

I wish I had more time to dedicate to it.

[@be007]

@@joepie221 i think your doing more then enough joe, thanks for that !

[@frontiervirtcharter]

I like the boring bar solution to machining the round part - I'd have been trying to balance the piece in a 4-jaw chuck on the lathe, maybe with a machined or 3d printed pressure block to deal with the uneven shape.

[@joepie221]

I thought about using a split bushing in a collet. It would have worked too.

[@joecnc3341]

Awesome to watch your work. Another Family Heirloom in the process (Joe - you've always been like a dad to me! ;0) )

[@joepie221]

Thats quite a compliment. Thank you. I'm enjoying this build series more than I thought I would.

[@joell439]

Happy Fathers Day Joe 👍👍😎👍👍

[@BrianEhrler]

Clever knocking the bar with your elbow... great tip.

[@joepie221]

Glad you liked that. That original bar does have its benefit.

[@bearsrodshop7067]

In 10 minutes learned years,,, that's our Joe ,,,

[@joepie221]

Hi Bear. Hope all is well.

[@bearsrodshop7067]

Will be using you tip today using the boring head to turn a round pedestal on one end of a small rectangular part,,,Thx for showing that tip on the shaper's ram..(@@)!

[@TorteTS]

very seldom to see od boring bar operation, thank you

[@joepie221]

Its perfect when you need it.

[@jerseyjoe2684]

Hey Joe. Happy Father's Day! 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅

[@iamkilroiyo]

Funny, it took me a second to realize when you were measuring the pin that you weren't measuring the top but measuring the bottom. Instinctively, I thought you would cut the cast surface the pin was sitting on. Yet again, I learned something--mostly about how to look at a problem!

[@joepie221]

Glad you liked that. I could have cut the cast surface, but the outside edge was the target and maintained the cast detail.

[@patrickmazzone9066]

Happy Fathers Day

[@Halli50]

I wonder how old your kit is. Your drawings are obviously done by hand while mine (kit purchased 2-3 years ago from PM Research) are all computer-generated. Not that it should make any difference to the quality of the kit, but I wonder where you got yours from - and when?

[@bruceanderson9461]

Fabulous job of machining this part! I hate to see the small porosities in the casting on the finished part. Couldn’t you fill these small imperfections with JB Weld epoxy steel just to minimize the defect? I used this product to repair the table of a used drill press I bought and it really improved the appearance of the table and to a small extent the utility of the table.

[@joepie221]

Those holes bug me as well. I may have to experiment with filler some day.

[@JCSalomon]

It looked like you were trusting the surface that you only cut at 30:00 earlier in the video. Was the as-cast surface there good enough?

[@joepie221]

I'm not sure I completely understand this comment. The part was never positioned on a cast surface. Can you be more specific?

[@JCSalomon]

@@joepie221 at 5:30, “The only surface I can trust is this top one here.” But that surface was as-cast until the end of the sequence.

[@joepie221]

@@JCSalomon Gotcha. It was parallel enough as not to influence the clamping block I used at that time. All the registration during that earlier op was from machined surfaces. The cast surface was just a pressure surface.

[@frontiervirtcharter]

Which surface? the top of the piece? He was using it as a pressure surface rather than a registration surface earlier.

[@robertburns2415]

Skill wins again.

[@avi8r66]

cut twice, measure once, glance at plans when done to see how you did... i think i have that right.

[@davidcolwill860]

You are going to have to get a move on here. I'm now watching these in real time! 😁

[@calholli]

Surface scratch to get a starting zero and a tool that isn't flat... I'll have to remember that one.

[@garywemmer9342]

Be aware of the fact that some files have a slight curve to them. Pretty hard to file a flat, when it contacts either side, and not the middle.

[@93Martin]

how long do you spend each week on this project? I want to guess around 4 hours, but it's probably much less

[@jdmccorful]

Another nail biting session! Very tight and close. Thanks for the lesson.

[@stevewilliams2498]

Joe. Didn't you loose your 250 counterbore depth eventually after your careful setup ? When you cut the base slot ?

[@joepie221]

It did break through in the center. I was surprised to see that since it wasn't represented on the print. I'm not familiar as I'd like to be with shapers, or I may have done something differently in that area. At assembly, it all gets consumed.

[@daveticehurst4191]

Joe, I wish to point out that you facing the tool inwards on your boring head and running it in Reverse, is Generally a NO NO. You may be lucky and have a boring head that is Not screwed onto the R 8 shank and all is well. However, most of the Cheapie Chinese ones Screw onto the shank, and running it in reverse Could make it unscrew and cause an accident. I would Strongly Suggest that you mention this in future or even pin a comment about it or add it to the description. Great outcome. Regards from Australia.

[@russelldold4827]

Valid warning, Dave. My Emco screw-nose lathe has a generous register and the chuck backplates use a split clamp to improve security, but I'm very aware of its limitations and machine in reverse with very light cuts and great caution.

[@joepie221]

Valid point Dave. My boring head is a rigid R8 shank so having it 'unloosen' isn't an issue. In reality, its the hole selection on the head that determines what direction to rotate it. Combined with which hand the boring bar is of course. I don't like an extreme offset on a boring head because it introduces vibration, so I reverse the tool and run in reverse to keep everything tight. Doing this in forward is also possible and no risk of anything coming apart.

[@2lefThumbs]

My boring head is a cheap one that unscrews if used in reverse, my way around that is to use left-hand lathe boring bars, and run the head forwards👍 (the boring head came with cheap brazed carbide boring bars with a 12mm shank, I found affordable matching 12mm left and right hand 12mm shank indexed carbide bars, they're around £15 each, work a treat)

[@ophirb25]

The micro machining man

[@joepie221]

Its where it all started.

[@johnsears4197]

The average Injection mold is around 30 or 40 grand and up to a half million lot of over head But the 30 to 40 grand size can be double very rewarding work kind of like what your doing there

[@johnsears4197]

doable not double

[@johnsears4197]

A good starting point would be repair its where mold makers all start

[@joepie221]

I spent a couple years in mold repair and setup. I enjoyed the work.

[@nickk332]

Where did the castings come from?

[@joepie221]

PM Research in NY USA

[@roylucas4414]

Great video. I'd love to build one of these and by following your videos it would almost be idiot proof. Notice I said almost. Aw what the heck, I think I'll give it try. Thank you.

[@joepie221]

Worst that can happen is that you have to order a spare part from the company. Not the end of the world. Go for it.

[@CreaseysWorkshop]

Hi Joe, what is that f symbol on the plans for? Is that surface finish?

[@joepie221]

Hi John. Thanks for dropping by. Thats not really a surface finish per say, it designates a finished/machined surface.

[@bobweiram6321]

Your miniature machines series would be so much more interesting if they were scaled a little larger where their not only cute but useful too.

[@joepie221]

Maybe someday.

[@iamkilroiyo]

Is that not cast iron? It looks less "dusty" when you machine it.

[@joepie221]

Cast aluminum.

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

A drawing that mixes decimal and fractional might be excusable if the fractional was only on drilled holes, but on dimensions it is not. What possible point is there in doing this? '.25 DIA 1/4 DEEP' - what?

[@lwilton]

Well, in the days when this machine would have been new, practically all machine dimensions were given in fractions rather than decimals. So I can see them having most dimensions in fractions.

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

@@lwilton These drawings are for the construction of a model. With either DRO or handwheels, the machinist will be inputting decimal values. Fractional values will have to be converted anyway- so why use them? Especially in such a random manner- the width is given as 0.75 (not 3/4) the front hole as 0.25 dia x 1/4 deep! It all just adds to the work of the user without any possible benefit. There is an argument for fractional values for hole diameters, as it aids selection of the tool- but they do the opposite!

[@arloames4517]

Such practice is often used to convey tolerance without having to write +/- notations. Decimal dimensions are measured to the number of digits written (.xxx is to +/- .001 while .xx is +/- .01). Fractions are low tolerance dimensions, while avoiding some confusion. 1/32 diameter means grab a 1/32 drill bit and make a hole. .06 (the low precision decimal) is unclear, while .0625, the correct decimal, conveys more precision than is intended (possibly suggesting reaming and other higher-precision processes). There are likely notes explaining the notation, but Joe isn't showing everything in order to respect PM Research's copyright.

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

@@arloames4517 Really? Exactly what 'confusion' is avoided by fractions? There is a whole system for conveying tolerances; if important they are best stated. Saying that fractions are 'low tolerance' does not mean no tolerance, so it still needs stating (somewhere). I already said that it is excusable for holes (or where it aided tool selection). Remember, those using the metric system use only decimals, without raising 'confusion'.

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

@@arloames4517 An example- the top slide slot is 1.25 with the flat 3/32 longer on one end, 1/16 on the other. So, the flat is .15625 longer than the slot, offset by .015625. Since the slot is specified to 2 decimal places, it suggests the flat should be the same. So we can shorten the numbers to .16 and .02. Giving the two dimensions as 0.10 and 0.06. After some calculations. Would not putting these numbers on the drawing save the machinist some time, and reduce the chance of error? How do the fractions hep here?

[@JETHO321]

I sorta miss the feuding with the blonde lady.

[@joepie221]

If you do something for the first time on a monday, don't post a tutorial video on the subject on Tuesday. I find it disrespectful to those that really want to learn. And when an expert calls you out for doing something dangerous or just plain wrong, take the heat. I got blocked for my input. I guess she doesn't need any advice from a lifelong professional. Bravo.

[@JETHO321]

@@joepie221 Agreed. At least don't call it a tutorial.

[@wrstew1272]

You can move on to watches in the next series!

[@joepie221]

I did my apprenticeship in a company that made watch parts. It would be like going home.

[@MatthewRulla]

Belly clamp...Been tightening vises since 2001. Home brewing beer since 1999.

[@joepie221]

Kinda goes hand in hand.

[@34k5]

Scrape it in

[@Blue.4t2]

⭐🙂👍

[@johnsears4197]

It looks like you use cutting taps for small holes I've spent years promoting form taps i brake almost no taps under 10 anymore

[@joepie221]

I use cutting taps almost exclusively. Form taps are also good and produce no chips.

[@georgeroig9849]

Why not just put it in the toolmakers vise and then put it in the vise after you have established the three qualifiying surfaces. ? I have done prototype parts similar to that faster and easier to setup.I know "more than one way to .......🐈

[@aquilaaudax6033]

✋🏼🇦🇺👍🏼

[@outsidescrewball]

LESSON>>>LESSON>>>LESSONS!!!, thank you for sharing…. I luv books but this info/craftsmanship is not in them!!!

[@joepie221]

Hi Chuck. It should be though.

[@adambeaumont9169]

using store bought indicators and working off a drawing... thats cheating!