Macintosh System 1 (1984) - Demo and Comparison

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The Macintosh System looked very different in 1984. Much of what we see today in macOS can be rooted back to this version of the system software. Today, Ken demos the legacy system, talks about some Apple history, and makes some fun comparisons to today's macOS.
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[@ComputerClan]

Let's time travel! (Flux Capacitor not included). We have some fun stuff to look at with some Apple and Macintosh history. Feel free to subscribe to stay in touch, and click that *Bell* button beneath the video to be notified when we make a new upload.

[@ComputerClan]

Camden Hardwick please refer me to a time code.

[@ComputerClan]

A time code of where I said what you said I said.

[@sillyaioli]

ID=12 Unimplemented Core Routine A programmer might set breakpoints in parts of a program to inspect for errors. This requires using a debugger. If a debugger isn't installed when a breakpoint occurs, you see this error code.

[@UmarBlox5124]

Can you please leave a link to the other software for macintosh system 1?

[@duffman7674]

Fun fact: The TI MSP430 microcontroller in the MagSafe charging brick (the one for Macs), is roughly as powerful as the original Macintosh.

[@RalphBromleyMadmanRB]

it should be noted though that even though it was impressive for its time Apple did not invent the GUI, that honor goes to xerox

[@verl0000]

Ralph Bromley the company that makes paper?

[@None17555]

@@verl0000 The one that copies paper, yes.

[@unusedaccount9130]

Xerox didn't want to sell it.

[@fargeeks]

Just like apple did not invent the smartphone or the fingerprint scanner

[@tomservo5007]

@@None17555 xerox also invented the laser printer, ethernet, and object oriented programming.

[@SparkschuItai]

36 years later, and we’re STILL loving this. Lmao.

[@AlessandroScaltritti]

Beautiful, System 1 to 7 are still today beautiful IMO

[@ArizonaJewell]

Not gonna lie man, even though 3D Edit on system 1 is hilariously slow compared to modern day blender and the like, I can imagine that it must’ve absolutely blown people away back in the 80s. I can see why the original Macintosh achieved legendary status and had a record breakingly long round of applause. So cool to see features in system 1 that have persisted today.

[@TheOPtmal]

"NTFS and HFS+" **angry in MINIX FS, ext, ext2, ext3, ext4, btrfs, zfs**

[@88336.]

😂😂😂

[@MCAlexisYT]

uhh

[@KayvK]

yeah but that's from l*nux 🤮

[@salsuginusrex5196]

2:48 Actually, the Motorola 68k weighed in at just UNDER 8 MHz... 7.997 MHz, according to the manual that came with my Macintosh SE (1989).

[@PearComputingDevices]

Back in 1997 I had ordered a Power Mac 7600. Keep in mind at this time the Mac OS was 7.5.1 and I bought it to run BeOS not Mac OS, but still had to have Mac OS because of the boot loader. I bought it with a 160 mhz 604e, 32 mb of ram and a 4.3 gb SCSI hard drive, top of the line at the time. I quickly upgraded the os to Mac OS 7.6.1 and eventally to 8.0 then all the way up to 10.2 after I added 256 mb ram and a G3 400 accelerator. I finally "replaced" it with a G4 733 DI in 2001, but I still own that Mac. I use it to muck around 7.6.1 and BeOS 5.0. Good times!

[@Styleforces]

One year later there was Windows 1. Its incredible what apple did in 1984.

[@HarveyHirdHarmonics]

One year later there also was the first AmigaOS with preemptive multitasking, a hierarchical file system, etc. Apple wasn't able to catch up with the AmigaOS for a pretty long time.

[@OldAussieAds]

@@HarveyHirdHarmonics Amiga's OS was certainly superior to the Mac's in many ways. But the Mac still had the edge in other ways, such as: 1) Flicker free, ultra sharp monitors. Great for hours of use in the home or office. 2) Good support from software vendors people recognised, such as Microsoft, Adobe, Aldus, Lotus and Macromind. 3) An established platform. Developers knew they weren't just targeting one computer, but an evolving platform which Apple had showed commitment to both developing further but also marketing. Yes there were a handful of Amiga models released in this time period, but they really weren't giant leaps forward. The Mac in the 80s had 68000, 68020 and 68030 models and the OS evolved at an equally rapid rate. The Amiga was just multiple variations of the same 68000 based system. I should note that I'm talking about the 80s. By the mid 90s, would you have called the Macintosh OS good enough? No, you really couldn't. For all the flack Microsoft gets, their Windows NT OSs beat anything Apple was doing many times over, at least until Mac OS X came out many years later. And of course by then, Commodore was dead anyway.

[@Kenbomp]

Should mention that mac gui was largely influenced by Smalltalk programming system.

[@erickdavid4257]

I would appreciate you don't break the original aspect ratio in videos like this.

[@SilentdragonDe]

I remember the Scrapbook! It must have still been around in Mac OS 8.6 or maybe even 9 since those were the first MacOS versions I remember using.

[@AndyAgus1]

Please do more of these videos!

[@WedgeBob]

The first time I ever touched a Macintosh anything was during my high school years. Most of my classes before that were Apple IIes, and I think my 6th grade teacher even had an Apple IIgs, which was kind of special. However, at home, as expected, I was an MS-DOS and Windows 3.x and eventually Win9x type of user...boy, the differences between Mac OS and DOS/Win were simply significant...but certainly a wake-up call.

[@fynnkarn-wadden234]

There is An Add-on For System 7 that allows live window dragging

[@VincentVictini]

yep

[@MaxOakland]

Power windows is one! I tried to find one that allowed live window resizing but it doesn’t seem like it ever existed. So resizing windows would always be a wire frame

[@mglmouser]

Gosh. Raskin's Mac project was a replacement for the Apple II. It was actually slated to be a text-based system just like the Apple II. When the Lisa project failed, Steve took over the Mac, pushed Raskin out, and brought the Lisa software (in a new form) to what we now know is the Mac. I have archive documents of the Lisa development (I'm not special: those are available on the web if you search for them). In a document titled "Lisa MRD/PRD amendments" is a very interesting tidbit that shows how the Lisa development spiralled out of control: " 6. DESIGN APPLICATIONS TO WORK WITH A STANDARD 128KB LISA All applications developed by Apple will work with the minimum hardware configuration of 128K bytes of RAM and two minifloppy disk drives. Additional RAJI memory will not be required except for increased performance. Additional mass storage will not be required except for handling larger data files (or for some networking applications involving access ,to a file server)." Later, questions regarding this goal is written out: "I.' It is too early to tell Whether or not it will be possible to provide the level of integration and software sophistication desired on a 128K LISA. Future MRDs and performance analyses will resolve this issue." The Lisa shipped with 1Meg of RAM because they couldn't make it work with 128K. They rewrote the software, for the repurposed Mac, to exclude many Lisa functionality: cooperative Multitasking and Stationaries, which we've only seen in later Mac system software (circa v7.5). I'm in the process of editing a Lisa restoration. Here's a raw footage I'll be using for that video, where we see the I/O board + CPY craddle. Those two smaller cards in there, are the memory boards they had to add: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3zMma18pMllmq8

[@OldAussieAds]

I always get confused by the Macintosh Jeff Raskin had in mind. The Canon CAT was text based and I believe that was the direction he wanted to take the original Mac. But Raskin was also aware of the stuff at Xerox PARC and apparently was the person who convinced Steve Jobs (via Bill Atkinson) to go take a look at what they were doing. If he hated icons and the mouse, what was it that piqued his interest at Xerox? Small Talk? Ethernet? Bitmap displays?

[@krutikquiran8184]

I would love it if you made this a series, once a week visit each Mac OS system

[@ComputerClan]

I'm certain you'll be seeing a lot more in regards to Macintosh software and Apple hardware, in the not-too-distant future.

[@TimurTripp2]

Would like him to revisit the Mac OS 9 project and iMovie 1. I have installed 9.0.4 and iMovie 1 on my Y2K Power Mac G4, but unfortunately don't have a FireWire camcorder to try it with.

[@RazgrizAlphaONE]

Pencil test wasn't first. There were many, many earlier, research efforts that would predate it.

[@ComputerClan]

+SCAnimation such as??? And by 'research efforts', do you mean a fully finished, published animation that debuted in a festival? That's what Pencil Test was.

[@askhowiknow5527]

"In the not too distant future" Next-Sunday A.D. There lived...

[@ComputerClan]

Just another face in a red jumpsuit.

[@alphen95]

10:04 System ME( Mistake Edition)

[@stutavagrippa8690]

I like how the 3D is slower, it looks cool

[@TimurTripp2]

Reminds me of watching graphics written in BASIC draw on an Apple II Plus. Kind of adds to the charm.

[@GadgetWusky]

"Let me just throw a boot disk in here, into my emulator"

[@jimjimx5418]

Come on!!! At least use the original OS on a REAL Macintosh!!!!!!!!!!

[@Nabeelco]

I like the reference to Jef Raskin, most people miss that, and that Steve Jobs wasn't actually fired. He left. Facts many people miss report, and it tells me you know your stuff. I would add though, Jef Raskin's ideas were kinda crazy and while some of his spirit remained in the Macintosh, it was FAR from what Jef Raskin wanted.

[@OldAussieAds]

The Mac we ended up getting was essentially a VolksLisa. The real Lisa in this context was not unlike the work at Xerox. A research project that turned into a shipping tech demo. A great concept but not really a successful product. Even the original Mac was a tech demo in a way. It showed people the light, but it wasn't the real deal until the follow up 512K model, or perhaps even the Mac Plus.

[@DupczacyBawol]

Apple actually aquired JOBS in 1997 when the company started to go down. Apple adopted NEXTSTEP OS to Macintosh. The nice thing was putting authors names in the About box. The most thrilling is also the fact that the programmers invented all those "primitive" but genious applications by themselves back then. There was no Internet resources at all.

[@verl0000]

Joseph Anderson I feel really bad for going in stack overflow. I feel like I'm not a good programmer

[@ecdhe]

The Mac quickly had some copycat windowing systems (Microsoft Windows, GEM from Digital Research, AmigaOS from Commodore), but the Mac had its unique features. The first is proportional fonts. It took 5 years for Windows to have them with version 3.0 (1990). The other one is the menu which is always on top of the screen. This allows the user to slam the mouse to the top of the screen, making it easier to reach the menu. To this day, macOS is the only system with such a design. All the other windowing systems I can think of have the menu on the window itself.

[@None17555]

@dmpoulain sorry, but no. Mac was ONE of the copycats of Xerox among several others. and obviously the window design on Mac OS is inferior. It's one of the least intuitive things about the OS. Why are objects not connected to the application so vital to the application? Why do they disappear when switching tasks? (hint: cause Apple 1.1 wasn't actually a multitasking OS, whereas Windows 1 was). Moreover, missing by 2 pixels will switch to the Finder's menu, AND old versions of mac OS had hover focus. There's a reason every other major OS has copied Window's placement of those menus and not Mac's.

[@mightyraptor01]

so I gotta ask you guys you haven't live streamed for months now, has it been discontinued for whatever reason?

[@ComputerClan]

It is currently on a hiatus, after 7 and a half years and 384 episodes. But with a lot of good things, they usually come back in the not-too-distant future… ; )

[@mightyraptor01]

ok then good luck with the future and May the 4th be with you!

[@jayrock4ya]

Man this flat gui would look sick in linux,

[@Johnathan_Waters]

Is this on an actual vintage Mac? It's pretty amazing to see sys 1.1, I didn't even know it existed!

[@jacobanderson9530]

do emulation

[@kartheekdravid4482]

what are the file extensions used for those executable files?

[@amlindberg1608]

I have a question, how did you screen record that?

[@heyhocodyo97]

Emulator

[@Patrick_AUBRY]

My cat loved this demo :-)

[@MCAlexisYT]

CAT???????? 🔲🔳

[@Olovlig]

Really good!

[@fedeallirom]

"Pencil Test" wasn't the first 3D animation

[@NewRepublicMapper]

Remember Apple Lisa Is The First PC With GUI

[@dziugasj2874]

Christian Luis Quimno Nope. The first computer with GUI was Xerox Alto.

[@NewRepublicMapper]

Correction Apples First GUI PC

[@dziugasj2874]

Christian Luis Quimno Xerox Alto came out in 1973. Lisa came out in 1983. It's easy to say which one was first.

[@SaifXPro]

nope, it was a PC called Xerox PARC in 1973

[@Badhead1970]

The scarpbook app would still be/extremely useful today. It should be brought back.

[@ComputerClan]

I should do a video about that feature. It kinda got lost in time, and now there's third-party Mac apps that are similar.

[@avleen978]

I still prefer MS-DOS. it was a big part of my child hood but this is still cool.

[@vinsenlim1212]

7:21 Word From First Presentation Apple with Steve Jobs in 1984-1985

[@joqqy8497]

Hierarchy and subfolder illusion is less about how to store, but more about the theoretical Organisation and fetch logic. You can store it in a million ways, but still org. Into a hierarchy. The result of the fetch, not storage pattern.

[@gabechrism]

Can I get that fan Widger that was in your dashboard somehow?

[@TruthAndMoreTruth]

How did you screen capture this?

[@scuidthesquid]

Emulator.

[@jinpeilang2245]

DID YOU USE VIRTUALBOX TO DO THIS? IF YES THEN TELL ME

[@ComputerClan]

No

[@silentsiIver1]

@Jin pei Lang You can’t use virtual box to emulate this. You need to use mini vMac to emulate this software.

[@susanmaione1937]

I see the original icon of system not found

[@ct1660]

To shut down Finder 1.0, you would EJECT the system disk, then shut it down from the switch.

[@ComputerClan]

True. It’s important to eject first.

[@HuntingKingYT]

I have a BigSur VM, and a lot of times I need to hold the menus (also my PC is horribly slow)

[@old-superstar64]

Can i please have the old CC wallpapers

[@kronos0406]

what is that dashboard widget fans name?

[@KetwunsGamingPad]

We don’t need super clipboard we just have multiple programs with multiple clipboards you can copy and paste in the moment haha!

[@cbm80amiga]

Amiga in mid 80s was much faster thanks to custom gfx chips. Such 3D spheres would be drawn in realtime.

[@chrisfratz]

cbm80amiga if you're talking about the boing demo, that was achieved by just swapping the palate on each Pixel in real time.

[@SledgeFox]

And it had a real Multitasking operating system.

[@lorumipsum1129]

but the real question is, is it still as easy to use as a toaster?

[@daishi5571]

Not really, bread slices are thicker than the slot.

[@otistically]

Even in 1984, the command clover exists lmao 🍀🍀

[@nadiafriesen971]

You should look at project Copland

[@avi8aviate]

Honestly, I think I might like the wireframes more.

[@tenminutetokyo2643]

In 1989 I bought a brand new Mac Plus and put it on a credit card with an ImageWriter. $5,000 bucks.

[@WorldOfCatsStudio]

3:20 i have same pen as this on the picture :)

[@susanmaione1937]

This is also the one with the sad mac screen

[@Am-Not-Jarvis]

Did Windows not have a desktop until 95?

[@ComputerClan]

It depends on how you define "desktop." Windows 2 had a desktop, but I don't think you could freely place icons on it. Windows 3 kinda had a desktop, but most files and programs were accessed through Program Manager windows. Windows 95, however, had the desktop environment that we think of today-with the taskbar and Start menu to boot!

[@diamondman1543]

Macintosh system 1 is like iPod computer for sync

[@eccremocarpusscaber5159]

Why is nobody irritated by the word hierarchy and the fact it's not pronounced "hyarchy" as it is here. It makes me want to scream.

[@ComputerClan]

Maybe because most people understand there are colloquialisms and mistakes in languages, and they vary place to place. x_x

[@Piipperi800]

Did you know that the chip on MagSafe is about as fast as original Macintosh.

[@TimurTripp2]

It's amazing how far we've come, isn't it. A modern iPhone can easily double the performance of a $2700 Power Mac G4 from 2003, while consuming a fraction of the power.

[@Piipperi800]

Timur Tripp I actually have Power Mac G4 from 2003... Still runs as good as new

[@camerongoddard3846]

Piipperi800 Also some calculators nowadays have more computing power than Apollo Program era computer

[@tianyizhang3704]

@@camerongoddard3846 many good calculators have 100+MB storage, color displays (TI nSpire CX), computer algebra system (TI nSpire CX CAS), touch screens (HP Prime), and stylus (CASIO FX CG500). I would say they are as powerful as desktop computers from late 90s.

[@michaelbaterna8386]

Wow, you didn't mention ext4?

[@vurpo7080]

didn't even mention btrfs

[@PAWTeamUnited]

Macintosh=Toaster

[@Get_yotted]

9:42 Iron dome sim

[@AxViki]

Nice

[@Windows95pro]

I own a apple 2.

[@marcfield1234]

Basically the Mac was a atriped down Lisa, and yes even if he did deny it it it was named after Steve's daughter, Lisa Brinon Jobs. He did finley admit it years later.

[@Enrickos81]

...::::absolutely great::::...

[@realamazingworld6756]

I think you drag the disk to the trash to eject :)

[@jimjimx5418]

Sooooo........ Your option was, use this, or learn the manual that came with Microsoft, and type in everything. I’ll take the Macintosh..

[@gjermundification]

8:08 The old way is more efficient.

[@tedse21]

I paid for a 128k. I haven't looked back.

[@unusedaccount9130]

Microsoft Windows was crap. No icons... It's hard to believe Microsoft took a year *extra* for that.

[@minoanlight4545]

Strange fact: Jef Raskin and Steve Jobs both died of pancreatic cancer.

[@jahkaboi3072]

Can you please do this with Windows 1.01 and Windows 10?

[@ComputerClan]

Sounds like a great idea! I kinda already did something similar: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJWvoXSZbNOMoJY

[@Safeboot]

I'm the 4th here, ahoy Ken!

[@fenderbender3982]

Your condescending attitude is so wrong, 128 k of ram? 400k disk containing both a OS AND an application? Are there any programmers today who could duplicate the coding magic done by those mostly under 25year kids? Open the old macs and see the autographs of the entire team permanently embossed in the mold. The old Macs were magic and opened a world for me.

[@ComputerClan]

I seriously wasn't trying to be condescending... : s

[@BrickKid-sx3mp]

I am going to commit mac os 1 on a windows 10 vm

[@HyonkTea]

Doo doo Doo do do doooooooooooo

[@maggiethegamer1271]

I don't want to say I'm third

[@J.Rahman]

If it looks like a folder hierarchy, smells like a folder hierarchy, feels like a folder hierarchy, what makes you doubt that reality? Are you one of those people who believes he is a brain in a vat? ;)

[@DOGSAVESTHEDAY_SYSTEM]

dogsavestheday>

[@wojiaobill]

I need to poop

[@PantsYT]

William Hetherington okey

[@cesaru3619]

jobs was the playerunknown of his time, a foolish baboon good for nothing with a cool idea. Just a good marketer...

[@jenniferallen2548]

why was that floppy disk data????????????????????????

[@ComputerClan]

What?

[@AshesOfEther]

5th

[@gio048]

Very 😎❤️🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎

[@bengray79]

9 th

[@Kraniumbrud]

*Sighs* abit dissapointed you made it out to see as if this was an apple original idea, which it was not by a long shot.. not even one word about Xerox.. even with time constraints of the video this was sloppy

[@ComputerClan]

The video wasn’t about Xerox, mate. It definitely wasn’t my intention to make it seem like it was all ‘original’. But do feel free to make a video that may be a better example. I’m willing to learn.

[@gnuemacs1166]

Lisa was better

[@AbdAbdAbdAbd]

1st

[@ComputerClan]

. . . . how so?

[@podlinux]

Stop laughing please.

[@ComputerClan]

Okay? : s

[@jimjimx5418]

Thanks for showing us your emulator...... Not!

[@ComputerClan]

Okay then! Show me your best method for display capture from a Mac 128K. Go ahead. I'll wait : ) If you want to see more of my non-emulated computers in action, all you had to do was ask… or browse my channel.