Mackinac Bridge, Deer Management Initiative, Part 2; Michigan Out of Doors TV

[@adaml8140]

I’ve talked with biologist at a usgs center and they said that Michigan doesn't regulate for the herd they regulate for the money and hunters. It’s always about the money.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

Of course it is.

[@ronmoyer6627]

Good show tonight, Bridge information was very interesting. 👍

[@rogerramjet7567]

I have said this before. Look at Kansas. I have hunted there. It’s nothing short of amazing. EVERYONE must draw a buck tag. ONE TAG. Does are over the counter. As many as you want. Their management is spot on. Michigan COULD have the same resource. COULD HAVE. But.

[@fermiticus4034]

Kansas was a bit of a pain...in my years there(2000-03). Had to send in an application...and your buck tag (if you got it), was only good for your choice of season, be it traditional black powder, bow, or rifle season. Application also for doe tags (2), and you could only get an additional 2 doe tags, from the county clerk. I will say...I always went out with high hopes of at least seeing a big buck, and I saw a LOT! Back home, in MI....I go out with zero-little expectation of even seeing a deer, let alone even a small buck. Side note: My Uncle was head of Kansas Fish & Game, for a number of years. He was instrumental in the first few seasons when deer hunting was made legal again.

[@johnthelen2696]

By all indications, DMI was a waste of time and was largely ignored. It seems like the DNR and NRC are out of touch.

[@erugila]

I agree. Bring back baiting if does are out of control. CWD isn’t a problem. Plus what if I want to take my 4yr old nephew out to have first crack at the buck I’ve been feeding and watching all summer. Kidding on the last one. I have night vision

[@johnthelen2696]

Can we see the roadmap of DMI input that is mapped for future implementation?

[@ventureoutdoorswithkirk]

LOL...I bet if you ask the hunters in the U.P. they won't say the problem is habitat and weather!!! I've listened to the DMI, DNR, and now the NRC version of this deer management initiative and it's not adding up. DMI and DNR were saying the same thing, now NRC kind of saying something else.

[@daniel1697855]

​@@Joe-xm3fm DNR doesn't set the policy though. They can only enforce what rules and regulations the NRC puts in place. The NRC commissioner completely lied when he said that the DNR can set some of the rules when all they can do is make recommendations to the NRC. He was just trying to shift the blame off of the NRC

[@lungbustercrnvr1384]

Everytime I listen or watch anything on Michigan Deer management I automatically put my Waders on cause the BS GIT"S DEEP QUICK!😡🦌🎣🦃

[@rabbithomesteading3797]

12:00 So NRC does listen to biologist??? That is new to me! What happen with coyotes then?

[@RKLIFE17]

Please don’t platform the NRC or DNR. Ask them hard-hitting questions and make them look silly.

[@adaml8140]

Another big problem I believe mi has is that too many ppl hunt for the grip and grin and story. Put the meat in the freezer then throw most of it away come following deer season. Ppl that don’t eat venison aren’t gonna shoot does.

[@jackc.3079]

100%

[@ryanwerner8084]

How do the NRC members get their positions? Are they appointed or voted in? Seems like something that should be brought to light considering those positions need to be changed.

[@chadbontekoe3122]

@@ryanwerner8084 I believe they are politically appointed by our great governer

[@ryanwerner8084]

@@chadbontekoe3122 that explains the issue.

[@dalerepke5811]

Thank you for this once of a lifetime episode. the photography was great as it made me feel like I was at the top of the bridge.

[@troyisenhoff3291]

8 point or better rule. One buck tag. People shoot a spike then horn hunt. Can’t figure out why no big bucks around.

[@chadbontekoe3122]

Who are the stakeholders they serve? Beuracrats? Insurance companies? In my lifetime they havent served hunters well?

[@daniel1697855]

Organizations like MUCC, NDA, and Michigan bow hunters association are stake holders. Essentially groups that have paid memberships are classified as a stake holder

[@wdtaut5650]

@@daniel1697855 Plus the ones that make political donations.

[@rbartig]

The only way to be more Michigan on top of the Mackinac Bridge is if you were drinking a Faygo or a Verners.

[@earlunderwoodjr.6766]

I’ve hunted deer in Montmorency County for over fifty years, this area has been under T.B. Management for over twenty years. The quality of the deer herd has steadily declined, and the methods used to combat bovine tuberculosis has remained the same, with no noticeable improvement. Doing the same things over and over, and expecting different outcomes is the problem. The introduction of predatory wildlife to manage deer populations, has been the plan from the beginning, to phase out the deer hunters.

[@lungbustercrnvr1384]

Weather and Habitat MY A#$, IT'S WOLVES, or should I say the LACK OF A REGULAR WOLF SEASON!!!!!!😤

[@paulhazel5545]

Watching from Lakewood Washington- Northern Michigan is home

[@oldjarhead386]

Did the DNR guy actually say anything?

[@calvinfloyd6879]

The Mighty Mac: The gateway to deer camp

[@kirksamson9762]

Some states have a early September stating and goes to February why can't we do that and be able to use bait

[@gregoryfuzi4745]

The mighty Mac 67 years old. Completed 3 years before I was born.

[@davidvogel2592]

If they want less does in the lower just give the farmers crop damage permits yr round . Less deer less crop damage

[@MLY73]

Sorry…. I have zero faith in our state’s deer management team… like they say… the more things change the more they stay the same…🤦🏻🤷‍♂️

[@kevinpeltier8953]

The guy approving hunting regulations for hundreds of thousands of people in the state used the nonsensical phrase, “hunter man”?!?!?! LOL that tells you all you need to know about how much actual outdoor experience this man has.

[@MrNienh]

Farmers need to allow hunting or you will never reduce the herd.

[@thomas9565]

Let’s face it MI isn’t going to solve the problem anytime soon. If they were serious they’d be doing deer collar studies and listening to the people that are in the woods more than them. They don’t even listen to their own field biologists.

[@nkoutdoors2280]

When we can bait again I’ll listen to the “science “because the science is there. Baiting has nothing to do with cwd.

[@honeybadgerstudios21]

It actually does

[@nkoutdoors2280]

@@honeybadgerstudios21 where’s the proof? So a deer eats an apple from my front yard but if I move the apple 100 yards now the deer get sick??? They share the same water source, food sources, please explain.

[@daniel1697855]

Right out of the gate the commissioner gave false information. The DNR can make recommendations as to what policies are implemented but they in no way have an actual vote. The commissioners statement saying they share responsibility with the DNR for setting regulations for deer/hunting is not accurate. The DNR has no seat on the commission. The DNR cannot set any policy in terms of rules and regulations for hunting/fishing/trapping. They are an enforcement agency that also has a team of biologists. The commission needs to own up to it's decisions and not pass or try and share the blame on an agency that flat out told them what they wanted to do and the NRC said no. That should tell everyone right there that the NRC commission or at least several members of it don't actually care what the DNR recommends and are just using the. As a scapegoat to shift blame off of them

[@Scott-f2y]

If you knew what you were doing you would realize that Michigan is a laughing stock. Of hunting anymore. You guys are driving it right of the state I live in Monroe County in the lower. It's hard to find a rabbit anymore. That's that's why nobody buys a small game license. You had to combine it with hunting license to try to gouge your wallet. Because there's nothing to shoot at anymore because of mismanagement.

[@HuronRiver-ke8xn]

What a waste of time talking to Tom Baird a lot of BS. He even admits the liberty hunt with only approximately 6000 deer harvested in 2023 is not going to adjust the population. In other words its discriminating against both the youth and disabled hunters participating in the Liberty hunt. Now lets take a closer look at the late January hunt for antlerless deer. Antlerless is deer with less than 3 inches of antlers, it is not just does that get harvested. With bucks dropping their antlers and button bucks you are looking at up to 30% males that are taken at that time of year. Another issue is majority of does will be carrying bucks which will not be born do to being harvested. I think a much better solution is offer 5 dollar tags during the regular season if they truly are trying to concentrate on more antlerless deer being harvested. More importantly the opportunity to remove antlerless deer without askewing the buck population. The point im trying to emphasize is remove the does but not destroying young bucks but actually help in herd management with a better buck to doe ratio.

[@Muskrat78]

Maybe do a favor tag if you show you tagged 3 doe in the south you get 2 doe tags free or discount price

[@Muskrat78]

Could also do a harvest for hunger tag. If a hunter donates a deer to a shelter or food group they get a tag for free?

[@donaldmorgan5265]

Very informative!

[@ryanfarmer5155]

If you like bad information then yes, youre correct!

[@kirksamson9762]

We used to have atime were you could have a way you had to be a likely to have a due permit to hunt doe why not have a special like that for bucks that way they would only have to take a doe

[@genenoud9048]

So we are becoming a shit show . From bear to wolves and coyotes. Do the deer even have a chance in the u. P. .

[@YoopHunter]

I'm a U.P. hunter and I say hunters are the problem. Many of today's hunters focus too much on the kill. They lack restraint and care more about their own desires for meat in the freezer and horns on the wall than the health of the herd. Every year hunters kill a huge percentage of the yearling bucks in Michigan, then they gripe because there aren't any mature bucks in the herd the next year. It's simple. If we want better hunting, we need to be less selfish, exercise more restraint, and be patient.

[@honeybadgerstudios21]

Not necessarily, younger bucks have been found to breed more, if you want to decrease the population in the south then more 1-2 year olds need to be taken

[@artmartin1913]

Another episode where the discussion is about helping the decimated deer herd in the UP but fail to talk about the elephant in the room.

[@nick1985fjb]

I dont agree with the doe only for the youth an liberty hunts, im sorry but they deserve the opportunity to shoot buck or doe. I also dont agree with them saying as a whole there is an over population in the Lp. My area does not have an over population, ill see 6-10 deer a sit. The ratio is about 2d/1b. You want to get people yo get back into hunting? Lower the tag prices, get rid of the base license requirement.

[@MLY73]

I hunt in the Manistee area… I wish id see 6-10 deer in one sit…😳🤷‍♂️

[@honeybadgerstudios21]

@@MLY73I mean he did say the population is generally increased in the southern part of the state and gets less as you go north

[@FjHenderson]

That's totally the problem with the Michigan deer management. To many chiefs and not enough Indians. You people running the deer management in the last 20 years have ruined deer hunting, then you wonder why people don't hunt anymore. It's so sad only wealthy people can go deer hunting anymore and that's just the way the chiefs want it so nobody's shooting there deer they've been scouting because no one can afford to go hunting.

[@stevenjohnson6209]

Pretty simple science more hunters more deer get taken.

[@fermiticus4034]

Well folks...the DNR is government! "We need more deer taken"....."let's keep the bait ban going, even though every deer in any given area lick the same branches and browse the same vegetation"...."oh yeah, let's raise the price of tags too!!!"...."...and change more rules"... DERP.

[@todddejong4817]

"weather and habitat" is our biggest u.p. issue with our deer heard. blah blah blah blah!!!!!! more political mumbo jumbo. No mention of wolves 3-4 times their guessing estimates.

[@TheGreatLakesSportsman]

Who reaps the profits from clear cutting 1,000s of acres of state game areas in Michigan? Some state game areas look like waste lands with stacked logs 4 stories high and a mile long. Make crossbows illegal unless you have a handicap like it was before, the number of crossbow users in Michigan is alarming and affecting deer populations more then people might think. Also you might as well let hunters use muzzle loaders in archery season , since everyone is using 1000 fps crossbows…. We don’t even have an archery season anymore. the doe to buck ratio is insane compared to other states. Make Michigan a 1 buck state. 2024s regulations are just not good. Many concerning questions but never a real answer

[@stevenjohnson6209]

Drop the price on doe tags! Little league baseball completely imploded when they changed the bats. Noone wants to see singles!

[@PHS1990J]

Make doe licenses half price.

[@Trinitystillmyname]

Keep trying jimmy. I hate to say this, because I will get flack from all the arm chair retired folks. But, until you cycle out the 60 and older " decision makers" nothing will change. If you want michigan to be a destination hunting state for deer wait about 15 yrs. Thats 10 yrs for boomernation to be cycled out, 5 yrs to right the ship. 2 other things Jimmy. DMI's are a old regurgitated idea that DNR has tried before...( do your homework). And secondly, no public opinion is warranted or needed for balance. Only biologist who are non politically, or socially driven. Cheers gentlemen!

[@blakeensing7376]

Spot on.

[@YoopHunter]

What exactly would you suggest we do to make Michigan a "hunting destination" state?

[@Trinitystillmyname]

Well that is a trick question. Unlike most people, I understand I have no ​reason to think or legitimize my opinion or authority on such a matter. However. A lifetime deer biologist has every right to make those calls. Or perhaps looking and learning from other neighboring states, as in what has worked for them.What you are seeing is a sort of "evolution" on deer policy ( not management). Cultural and social policies are now being given more and more of a footing to legitimize new rules. If the deer herd in michigan would be managed as a true natural resource ( like our forestry/ logging industry) It would fundamentally change the quality/ culture/ economy of deer hunting in michigan into a world class destination. But I digress, I am just a dumb deer hunter @@YoopHunter

[@honeybadgerstudios21]

Bro how are wildlife biologist politically or socially driven?? They are almost always sportsmen and women themselves and want the resource to thrive

[@Trinitystillmyname]

Dear Broseff, I am glad you asked. One horrible example of biologist self perpetuating there work is the " wolf/moose study" on isle royale. Both the moose and now wolves have totally died off at one point. Last time I checked ,they imported more wolves, instead of letting hunters keep moose in check. The study needs to go away. Yet the biologist " just need more data.....and MONEY". Furthermore, isn't the wolf in the U.P. program " benefits" being covered up by biologist and true impact of deer kill numbers being skewed just to allow " more data..... and MONEY" for politically driven biologist? I could go on..... but I will spare you a solid boomer type rant, and ending that sounds something like " get off my lawn". ​@@honeybadgerstudios21

[@chadjohnston3709]

Sounds like the leaders need to be replaced.

[@jnorth5689]

Can't stand the slaughtering of all the doe around me. It's made hunting a waste of time and money. When I was a kid I always seen lots of deer. Now it's a baren waste land. Go over a week without seeing a deer. And bucks ? Lmao. There all on the private land

[@FreightMasterResources]

Weather and habitat is the problem? What a joke. Get rid of the wolves and see how fast the heard comes back.