Unifi Switch Aggregation Review

[@stephenstark3567]

Thanks for the succinct video. One point of clarification though -- it's not quite right to say you now have a 20Gbps link because a LAG doesn't mean all streams get increased bandwidth. Iperf3, for example, will still top out at 10Gbps across the LAG, and this is because each data stream is still constrained to one path or the other. The LAG does provide some overall load balancing, and redundancy should one path or the other fail, but keep in mind no single data stream can exceed the speed of whichever port the LAG algorithm tells it to use. So TWO simultaneous iperf3's might reach a combined 20Gbps, but no one of them will exceed 10Gbps. Hope that makes sense to you and your viewers, cheers!

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Thanks for the comment and I’ve pinned it to the top

[@HappysHomes]

Common mistake, I see this all the time at work when people explain LAGs.

[@trailerhaul8200]

LAG provides redundancy. Connections maximum speed will be limit by LAG load balancing

[@samtechtips7923]

I liked your honesty when you said "i am not rich",man i am starting to like you more.

[@HappysHomes]

No gonna lie, I laughed hard as I was expecting "This is best practice, but unnecessary for at home." It was a nice surprise.

[@paulpichler7605]

I bought it a couple of weeks ago. I’m very happy with it. 😎

[@CharlieGolfAviation]

Neat little device. Been looking for a review of this for a while so thanks for posting!

[@mannyvelez7571]

"But I'm not rich" I felt that part. lol Wish we could all have that kind of set up.

[@D8099.]

Also curious why you used fiber spf and copper spf to aggregate pro 24 switch? I saw Lawrence video on copper DAC spf being faster. For short runs. And fiber for long runs between gear.

[@Platoface]

I have one of these for that last two years and works great. EXCEPT, be aware that all Sonos products need to be wireless as it will create a loop in your network and cause havoc. Also make sure you set the priority on your switches and aggregation switch.

[@ed0c]

i am using the 24 port version for a core, they 10gb link to 4x 48 pro poe switches for access. I use a sophos sg210 for router, the setup definitely wants a unifi router but it works GREAT for a core, i have all my servers pluggin directly into the aggregation switch at 10gb

[@michaelbeaver4804]

I have two in my house now. I use them mainly as 10G switches. Wish it had any fan in it at all since it gets quite warm. I would put this in a ventilated rack and not crowd it. The switch does not have a Temp. Sensor.

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Ya I mean you can use it for whatever you want. I just don’t have any other devices that are 10gb at the moment. I wouldn’t mind a fan either seeing as mine is in a network room I wouldn’t be able to hear it I’ll monitor the temperature hopefully it doesn’t get to hot

[@haplopeart]

You brought up an interesting point about a single point of failure. I have been trying to solve this in my own setup. Internally, not externally, I'm likely to only ever have 1 ISP. However internally, I think it should be possible to have the switch (shortly to be this one) connected to my UXG-Pro connected to the closets on the first floor and the second floor, and then the closets on the first and second floor connected to each other. So if the connection between the Basement aggregation switch and the second floor is lost, everything re-routes through the connection between the 1st and second floor, and the connection from the first to basement now carries all the traffic until the situation is resolved. However I can't seem to get it to work, whenever I make all the connections all the traffic starts going Basement -> 2nd -> 1st, and the connection from basement to 1st goes into a blocking state. The basement switch has the highest priority and the 1st and 2nd floot switches have equal priority. And idea? Maybe if you know the trick you could produce a video on it?

[@karlfanega3275]

Awesome video. Question. Do you have issues with it disconnecting? Mine looks like XG16 > Agg > 24Pro, US48 All aggregated. My AGG switch keeps disconnecting though. But when I connect directly to router or XG16 everything seems good. Weird.

[@seainc]

I have a question about the diagram shown on 3:38, if USW-24-PRO is placed between UDM-PRO and Switch Aggregation. How will the network performance changes? Thanks

[@davidsomething4867]

Thanks for doing this video. I am torn between this and the MikroTik CRS309. Still considering the CRS309 as I already have one and although the swOS interface is real basic it is still an possible option because to me it does not rely on the Unifi Controller.

[@MactelecomNetworks]

I have the CRS305 but haven’t tried it out yet

[@Reedith]

Desperately awaiting the pro version !!! That theoretically should be the best for medium to large networks to sit right after your router

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Ya that will be a good switch

[@billsmith9249]

Will this work to connect a bunch of Netgear switches? Netgear doesn't have a good fiber switch... and I have 7 Netgear Insight managed switches that are all going to be using LC connections.

[@DSPRemote]

Hi Cody, can you please tell me what transceivers and fiber jumpers you used to hook this up to your UDM Pro? Thank you

[@YSColin]

For some reason, my port #7 and #8 won't aggregate, tried connecting it to a few different devices/switches. Port #7 will fail (lights off/no connection) once in aggregation mode.

[@VV-om8vv]

Thanks for this video very useful

[@raiden72]

How do you get your switches to display that constellation diagram on the LCD screen at 5:30 ?? Is there a setting to enable the LCD all the time with a GIF? Thanks!

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Honestly no clue. I haven’t changed any setting on them just default

[@CPR9969]

Does this switch support sfp+ for devices directly connected or is it only for switch connectivity?

[@RysSommefeldt]

You can use it as a normal switch and connect devices directly to it, not just other switches. That's how I use it, as a normal managed switch with regular stuff plugged in 👍

[@b00m3rh4nd_sol]

nice... bought a couple of SFP modules: Wiitek for copper and 10Gtek for fiber :)

[@MrAtomUniverse]

Do you think they will release a new version soon ?

[@jackc8120]

Can I connect devices to it directly like a computer and NAS or is it only used as distribution switch? Thanks

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Hi you can but you would need the correct SFPs ( Copper or fiber)

[@miketriber7204]

What type of SFP's do I use if the connection is only 1gb? Do I use the 10gb SFP fiber and the other side is a 1gb fiber, will the 10gb throttle down to 1gb speed?

[@Starbuck8888888]

Great video. I am considering this for my lab. Looking to connect two Dell R630s with 10 GB SFP+ ports to another iSCSI target server with two SPF+ 10 GB nics. The goal would be to have 2x 10 GB ethernet for the SFP+ ports on each R630. The two port will be used for iSCSI and vMotion traffic. Do you think this switch aggregation could do the job?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Hi I think it would work perfect for your situation

[@dyphoenixphotography]

I don’t know your specific network so I am curious to know why you used fiber for the SFP

[@SeanAnthony]

Cody are you using 10G nic cards in your computers? Which model/ brand would you recommend? I need one for my unRaid server. Thanks for the videos!

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Hey Sean. I do use a 10G nic for my pc. Here’s a link to the one I have amzn.to/33F9yYB

[@BigZeus]

Whenever I connect the USW Aggregation, it kicks all the other switches offline, any ideas?

[@cloudmike]

If the USW 24 port only has 1gig ports what’s the benefit of connecting it to 10gb SFP? Asking because I want to know

[@brandonlee9210]

Did you set up your camera VLAN similar to an IOT VLAN?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Hey nope I have a separate subnet just for cameras

[@magesnz]

i'm hesitant between this switch and the crs309-1g-8s-in from microtik, i honestly don't know which one to get

[@ejemm]

Nice overview Mac, I have been looking for something like this for a while on youtube ......... Ended up buying the Mikrotik competition. Will be using it as a 10GB backbone for some Proxmox nodes (homelab)

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Apparently the mikrotik switch is good as well. I have one just never fired it up

[@shaun7611]

I have 1 - 10gbit DAC cable from aggregation switch to supermicro server. I have 1 - 10Gtek sfp+ to rj45 in the Aggregation switch to my 2.5gbit Ethernet on my pc and I get less half speeds one way and full other way

[@SmartLANdotNET]

Hi, thanks for the review. Can you confirm that this switch is usable to connect like my NAS in one port, and my PC in an other? I mean, it is usable as a standard 10G switch? Thanks

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Hi you can connect a nas or pc of whatever you like to it

[@SmartLANdotNET]

@@MactelecomNetworks Thanks ;)

[@MactelecomNetworks]

@@SmartLANdotNET no problem

[@michaelbeaver4804]

I have the dream machine on first floor cat5e up 1 floor to one of these 10G this has two 10G NAS then 10G to my office to another one of these switches and main 10G NAS and 10G pc

[@SmartLANdotNET]

@@michaelbeaver4804 Ok so it can act as a "basic 10G switch"?

[@zachdenney]

any particular reason you elected to go udmp->agg->access layer? and not udmp-l3 switch(24p pro) -> agg -> other access switches? you're putting a layer 3 capable switch behind layer 2 devices... just curious. i suppose if you're keeping things simple it doesn't matter much, and this allows you extend more bandwidth to the usw24

[@miftahq1]

Possible for sfp non plus sfp for 1gb infrastructure ?

[@davidunderwood7723]

Could you get the newish UniFi Switch Aggregation PRO for a test? How many Modules to RJ45 could be utilized for Cat 7? What are those cost power/heat costs?

[@xVertigo101]

Does usw 24 poe support link aggregation?

[@D8099.]

Can we use this before the udmP to combine 2 ISPS? I have coax spectrum. But want a cellular modem for power outage backup. I bought the unify redundant cellular. But the plans suck with ATT. Only 1 gig. Eventually I need to hire you to tweak the whole networks settings and assess my rack setup if it’s correct. Even if we just did it over the phone.

[@dcraigslist5243]

Why not use the wan1 and wan2 ports on the UDM Pro? Set the SCP+ as primary and the 1Gbe as secondary failover?

[@HandyHorrigan]

Very nice looking setup, I had a question, how did you get the USW Aggregation switch to show up so you could adopt it. I only bought fiber optic cables to connect to it with the sfp connectors. But when I had plugged the switch into the Gateway, the white light shows up, but I get a IP address on the lcd screen that is not accessible. I just noticed you used a DAC cable to connect yours so do you know if that will work better. This is my first go at anything UNIFI, and I just learned int he last 24 hours that they do not offer any type of phone support. All of my questions are above the Tier 1 Chat support, so they tell me to go to the community or wait for Tier 2 to reach out by email. So any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

[@MactelecomNetworks]

If its not showing up I would try and hard code the speed to 10gb on both ends

[@inhocsv7663]

I had to update the controller software version to be able to adopt the aggregation switch. After updating, it finally showed up to be adopted.

[@cajuclc]

Nice video. I got the UDM PRO SE and I connect to the USW Enterprise 24 POE using a 1GB RJ45 cable. On the USW I connect my NAS and my Desktop on the 10GB SPF+ (using the adapter to RJ45). I start at 10GB/s transfers, but then it drops to regular 1GB/s. I am using a SSD to make sure transfer is fast. First thing I realized is, I always get regular 1GB/s speeds when I have the desktop on one vlan and the NAS on another vlan. If they are on the same vlan, it starts at 10GB/s and then it drops. It seems like using different vlans it all goes over the UDM PRO SE, which has a 1GB/s only. I wonder if I added the aggregation and both NAS and Desktop were connected to it, I could get faster speeds. Or maybe I am doing something else wrong. :)

[@gatsbylee2773]

it's little confusing. can you repeat how your switches are connected? ( topology? )

[@randleqgod]

I'm buying it. Thanks.

[@dukeseb]

So for clarification can I use this as a standard switch with different speed sfps

[@bongbarnido1283]

I know the ports are 10Gs. Does the ports also support 1G?

[@RobSchipperennl]

So this new product doesn't have the option to link it up with UniFi's Redundant Power Supply (USP-RPS) system? Would this be unnecessary?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

It would be nice to have a second option for a Rps port that would raise the price of the switch though

[@michaelfelch3628]

The pro version of this switch (currently in the early access store) has an RPS port.

[@james5063]

Could I use unifi to control my isp now? Or stick to edge? Great video!!

[@Reedith]

Just wondering should you not have one fiber cable and one deck Cable in the same lag ? Ideally shouldn't they be the same cable type. Theoretically there's going to be some differences in their latency. ? IDK if that matters though ?

[@koma-k]

Shouldn't matter - traffic between two given endpoints will always go over the same connection; this also means that they will never see more than 10Gb/s. You need multiple traffic streams to actually go beyond 10Gb/s throughput for a LAG

[@Reedith]

@@koma-k interesting so if you have a computer and a server with two 10 gig ports on each and they're both lagged you're not going to get a 20 gig throughput you'll still only get 10 gig ?

[@koma-k]

@@Reedith yes and no... a single datastream or "conversation" as the IEEE standard calls it cannot exceed single-link speed, so you have to do something extra to deliberately spread the load. The short explanation: The LACP standard specifies that any algorithm can be used to distribute frames (packets) among links, provided they 1) arrive in order and 2) there is no duplication. To ensure point 1, only one link can be used per "conversation", as per-port buffers, retransmits etc. could conceivably cause packets travelling over different links to arrive out-of-order. LACP can use various functions to choose which link a packet travels over - traditionally a simple XOR "hashing" of either MAC adresses or IP adresses have been common, but according to the Unifi docs it uses: "Hashing based on Source/Destination MAC, VLAN, EtherType, and incoming port associated with the packet". So as long as traffic doesn't all go to the same service/port it will "fill up" all the links given enough simultaneous streams going to either different VLANS, different virtual NICs (i.e. different MACs) etc.

[@jackchabowski9099]

Can I use this unit without any switches? so this would act as my only switch? Thanks

[@Josh.Wilson]

I was eyeing this in the early access store, but couldn’t find much information on how I want to use it... so this can function as just a standard 10Gb switch? I have 3 10Gb devices, 2 servers, and a gaming / editing pc. My current setup is UDM-pro > usw-pro-24-poe > Mikrotik crs-305 10Gb > the 3 devices. Would I be able to use this aggregation switch to eliminate the Mikrotik switch, and gain more 10Gb ports for future devices?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Hey Josh, You could use this to connect any 10gb device. So it would work great for you

[@Josh.Wilson]

@@MactelecomNetworks awesome, thank you! This seems like one of the more reasonably priced 10Gb switches.. and the added bonus of blending in perfectly to my UniFi system

[@MactelecomNetworks]

@@Josh.Wilson I think it’s a great price. I have the Mikrotik 10gb switch as well ( haven’t powered it up after month) may give it a go and see how I like it

[@wzk921109]

USW PRO 24 POE is a L3 switch isn’t it? Wouldn’t you want that split into this switch instead?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Hey ya it has layer 3 capabilities. I don’t use it right now and wouldn’t see much benefit as I don’t have a large network

[@diceman199]

Looks nice and straight forward, like the rest of their stuff. I'm looking at their 16 XG switch, which will be fairly similar to use I imagine, as I have a somewhat chunkier network to improve.

[@klimraamkosie]

You can get them pretty cheaply these days. I've bought them for around the $250 mark.

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Ive never used them but they would be a good option if you need more ports. Also like how they have a few RJ45 on them

[@diceman199]

@@klimraamkosie They are a bit more expensive here in the UK

[@diceman199]

@@MactelecomNetworks My network will be 16 x 48 port switches (up from 8) and I have about 60 AP's

[@stevenmishos]

FYI, the Discord link in your description has expired (or is otherwise invalid).

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Thanks check some of my newer videos it will have the correct discord link

[@richardInNL]

Nice video, but not much of a review, more of a setup guide. What did you think of the switch after using it for some time?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

It’s a great switch use them all the time and highly recommend it for the price.

[@berzerker4998]

Do you still have this device? Supposedly as of firmware 5.60.1.12923 there's an option to force 2.5Gbps FDX negotiation on the SFP+ ports on the Aggregation Pro. Would you be able to verify if this works on the regular Aggregation as well? This would be a huge benefit to a lot of Fiber customers looking for 2.5Gbps GPON negotiation at the price it's at. If you could possibly do something to confirm this, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Hey, I still have this device just sitting on my shelf right now. I will verify this weekend and get back to you

[@berzerker4998]

@@MactelecomNetworks hey cody, thanks so much for getting back to me. I was actually able to verify the functionality is *not* currently supported on the regular Aggregation. Thanks for offering to check it though.

[@caPioVitae]

Hi nice review - i don´t see the reason in 20G uplink between link Aggregation and USG 24 Switch. - because the other Components - Lite Switch - Dream Maschine Pro ... is 1G or max 10G. So can one or multiple clients take profit from the 20G?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

In my setup no it can not. But if you had a lot of devices connecting through these switches that were eating up a lot of bandwidth you would

[@ChristianSamsel]

Honestly, for most people the redundancy aspect for LAGG is more relevant then a minor speed increase.

[@linerror]

I'm using this switch for 20Gb links to my 2 two NAS servers (which have a dedicated 40gb link for replication) and my primary workstation, and a 10Gb link to my wifes workstation and a 10Gb uplink until i can get my hands on a leaf and bring everything up to 25Gb. IF you have the hardware, then sure you can take advantage of the 20Gb link or faster... In my case the NAS servers have 4TB of nvme plp'ed cache, so that the workstation backups dump as fast as possible.

[@kakilancap]

Hi bro.if use udmpro that mean it can cover around the globe?.just looping the ptp ptmp antena from celltower to another celltower?across the earth or one udmpro just can use for one celltower?pls answerr my qurstion plsss

[@MactelecomNetworks]

No it will not ping cell towers

[@kakilancap]

@@MactelecomNetworks so.if i wanna setup infrasturctire on my country how many udmpro do i have to install.for the whole country

[@MactelecomNetworks]

@@kakilancap I have no idea I don’t build ISPs and if that is what you are trying to do I wouldn’t use the UDM pro for that

[@kakilancap]

@@MactelecomNetworks then what acctually are you doing rite now?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

@@kakilancap I own a consulting company not an ISP

[@jackc8120]

Does it get warm to touch when working? Thanks

[@MactelecomNetworks]

It gets a little warm but not to bad

[@njc1jxq8]

Mac I like your videos. They are very instructional and it made me buy UniFi UDM SE. However, where do you call if you have an issue with their hardware? I could not find any phone numbers for support but only the email feature. I did created a case in the UniFi support page two days ago and no one got back to me yet. I am disappointed since not sure who will give me support for the APs and UDM SE I purchased. Let me know if you know how I can get support from UniFi. Thank you in advance and I will continue to see your great videos. Sincerely, Jose Luis from New York.

[@PWingert1966]

The covers on the SFP are a pain. If you have more than one of these to set up they consume time unnecessarily. They should be the standard fingertip covers that everyone else uses.

[@wolfmusic515]

You should add a link to you website in your description.

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Hey I do in newer videos

[@Reedith]

so is this better than the xg 16?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

I wouldnt say its any better. The XG 16 comes with 16 10gb ports this comes with 8GB ports. Depends on how many connections you're going to be using

[@Reedith]

@@MactelecomNetworks yeah I guess I didn't mean better but I meant if they were eight for eight is it the same throughput? Like I would assume the pro version of this switch is better than the XG What's confusing us small brained people is that the language between aggregation and switch If I need to get 10 gig lines all over my office should I use 2 x g's or one aggregation pro also because this one is so much smaller than the 16 and fanless it's just hard to think that it does as much throughput or better but it probably does that's just judging a book by its cover 🤣 I'm trying to find the perfect backbone for my network I think maybe a pro aggregation and a leaf would work but the leaf has disappeared from The Early Access store I have a pretty large building with a lot of random offices that need 10 gig and lots of people need 10 gig in each office so I need like 100 gig link to each office or at least 25 gig So perhaps some of these aggregation switches with them aggregated to 20 or 30 gig throughput would be the way Would be nice though to just run one fiber pair that can do 100 gig rather than three 10 gig pairs to aggregate

[@friedrich1277]

4:15 thats the very reason why its so fucking stupid that Ubiquiti doesnt build in their new UPS connector even though its the most important part of your network :( But i wont use it anyway, way too expensive. Could get 2 simple UPS's and a power generator for that money :D

[@ags5080]

Render in stereo please

[@zackhpittman]

That UNVR is sagging quiet a bit inside that rack

[@MactelecomNetworks]

I had to loosen it to get the PDU out ( didn’t tighten it fully during the filming) it’s lifted back up but still a little bit of a sag. It’s pretty heavy and not sure the rack can handle it. Getting a new rack in a week or two

[@clintonelliott340]

Too bad they don’t have a pro version for backup power.

[@matejfoltyn]

Ideally, you would have two of them and another ISP. But I'm not rich....... Neither are we.

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Oh I know most people aren’t that’s why I put that. In a good situation would be nice to have redundancy but for my home office not needed

[@KentBunn]

Seems silly to use a port with a 1gb connection. Just put that on a port on either the UDM or the 24 port switch. Why waste an SFP+ port on anything that isn't 10gb?

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Why not utilize the aggregation ? It’s one less hop between my other switches and as of right now I still have ports available

[@michaelbeaver4804]

And since this doesn’t have an uplink port you have to use an SFP plus going to my one gig switch so I could go to the systems in the house that use one gig and POE

[@diceman199]

Ubiquity also do the 16 XG switch which has 12 x SFP+ ports and 4 x 1/10Gb copper ports and also allows aggregation. So if you needed 8 SFP+ ports plus an uplink that might be another option

[@ThePirateGod]

PLEASE for the love of all that is holy never record video in portrait mode.

[@MactelecomNetworks]

My bad. My Go pro died (which i usually record on) was using Iphone

[@ThePirateGod]

@@MactelecomNetworks fair but just turn the phone. Lol. Otherwise the IPhone video is probably better quality

[@MactelecomNetworks]

@@ThePirateGod I get it in hind sight I should have done it but now it’s released. Appreciate the feed back

[@kamil538]

They Shoud finaly give us mlag

[@MactelecomNetworks]

Were still waiting on support for multiple IPs so I wouldn't hold you breath on mlag

[@NCap1]

Hey Cody ! Do any of the sfp+ ports support Poe on the usw-aggregation ?