Feline Coronavirus and FIP: What’s New? - conference recording

[@Endlesspathable]

I'll simplify this for everyone: 1) Coronavirus is common in cats. 2) Coronavirus is not a major problem disease for cats in itself - it is NOT FIP! 3). FIP is a mutation to the Coronavirus that is cat specific and limited primarily to that cat - FIP ITSELF IS NOT CONTAGIOUS! 4) FIP has two types: Wet (very short lifespan for cat), and DRY (somewhat longer lifespan of many months to a couple + years). 5) There is an unauthorized/unsanctioned treatment for FIP that is a very expensive drug that is actually used for a dog disease. 6) FIP has two testing methods available: a quick vet office test that has a high false positive rate (usually vets will try to corraborate test results with symptoms; second type test is a more expensive (send blood sample away to lab test with 2 weeks wait). 7) Get a second Vet opinion (or pay for the more expensive test) if your cat has very few corraborating symptoms. I've sadly found a significant percentage of vets are lazy and once they see a few FIP symptoms with a quick test - they default to "euthanize" and they stop thinking!

[@didemakpinar1154]

Thanks. Actually read this midway and got the picture.

[@millag93]

Are you sure about point 5)? The treatment available for FIP is GS medicine, it's something like remdesevir and it doesn't have license for veterinary use. I haven't heard it's used in dogs. Btw fuck Gilead Sciences.

[@ikramlazaar6849]

Thank you so much y answered all of my questions... R.I.P Cooper 💔😪

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

♥️

[@theartofpositivetransforma5059]

I feel for you, my cat recently passed away, he was only 1.5 years old, such a devastating desease!

[@faithmarie61722]

my cat as it rn and i am devastated. idk how long i have with her. 😭 she’s only 5 months

[@TreeFreak]

Finally, a video with no danged music!!! I can actually hear the speaker! I'm here trying to find information. Seems my 1 yr old street rescue just might have FIP. I am hoping there is a way to save her.

[@theartofpositivetransforma5059]

Thank you for this presentation, my kitten was never diagnosed, he passed away age of 1.5 years. Rest in peace, my love, my baby, I will always love you!

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Oh we are so sorry to read that. Thank you for watching the video.

[@glowfishin1]

Thank you so much for posting

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Thank you so much for watching!

[@danta3177]

Thank you for the explanation, rest in peace my boi MILO

[@jenniferwright8687]

Thank you for this informative video. We recently adopted a kitten with clinical signs of dry FIP. The IDEXX PCR showed negative, and we went one step further to do the uveitis panel which also came back negative. Now trying a 4th gen fluoroquinolone for potential mycoplasma, and no improvement despite supportive care, probiotics, B12 injections, antibiotics, steroidal eyedrops for uveitis, etc. As a last resort, fecal proved clear, but will treat for potential parasites including coccidia. CBC/blood show some elevated phosphorus, mild anemia, and creat/BUN was a little off. Ultrasound clear. I highly suspect dry of the neuro/ocular form, but the diagnosis is impossible. This has been reviewed by 2 vets and a board certified opthomologist. I'm planning to discuss this video with all parties.

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Thank you very much for watching and for your comment. We will pass it along to Dr. Berliner.

[@perversemermaid3903]

My Sushi is now on day 22 Post treatment for wet FIP. 84 days of fear, anxiety and hope! Now 84 days to watch for possible relapse. He is an FIP Warrior!

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Thank you for watching and hugs to Sushi!!

[@perversemermaid3903]

@@kiehlers9653 join FIP Warriors on facebook asap. Make a post and include bloodwork if you have it. CBC and chem for bloodwork

[@perversemermaid3903]

We made it past the 84 days post treatment and he is considered cured!

[@STAGEOFSEKAI_]

@@perversemermaid3903 congrats!! kisses to sushi

[@perversemermaid3903]

@@STAGEOFSEKAI_ thank you! He is now 11 months post treatment!! It is as if it never happened!

[@juniatamc]

Hi! A very interesting talk. I am interested in your opinion: Do you think, we v can learn from feline corona concerning immunity and vaccination? After 40 years of research there still is no working vaccine, but for the recent Covid19 they expect to come up with one any time. And as I understand there is no immunity that cats develop to Fcov after having gone through an infection, not to speak of herd immunity in a population of cats.

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Thank you for watching and for your comment. We'll share this with the presenters and see what they have to say.

[@didemakpinar1154]

Two of our three cats are diagnosed with coronavirus. One is negative fortunately. We are worried about the not infected one. Can they live together? Can they live together if one's coronavirus mutates into fib as well?

[@ctexas8749]

I just lost my Travieso, my 10 month old kitten this morning to FIP, and his brother Gordo 3 months ago. I rescue, foster and I'm a volunteer trapper for my local city's TNR Group. I was never made aware of the possibility of exposing this deadly disease to my own cats until my Gordo passed and I was told he had FIP!!! Now I'm very concerned for my other cats and I really don't know what to do to mitigate this issue I brought home to my fur babies!?!? My Vet informed me that all of my cats have been exposed and that I should keep an eye out for any of the symptoms mentioned in this video. I would greatly appreciate any advice and or suggestions on what to do now that exposure has happened🐾🙏🐾

[@grfl8811]

This may seem like an odd question, but I ask for good reason before I contact you and waste your time, I'm delighted to see studies been done on shelter environments as most animals are treated by vets as if they come from a home environment and not multi-animal environments, had many a chat with vets on this. I've been in rescue for 30yrs, to date I'd say I've been highly lucky! But FIP/panleukopaenia are highly on the rise and many shelters in Ireland are being wiped out mainly by the panleukopaenia, but experiencing higher than normal outbreaks of coronavirus/FIP, I keep my eye to things as much as I can, I've had an idea it was coming from purebreeds many years back, most calls I receive about FIP are from people who buy purebreds, kittens mostly pass before three mths old, but as Ireland becomes more diverse in population, so to is the purebred population which I believe is leading to the rise in FIP. Ireland also has an 80% plus intake of kittens and cats to shelters with cat flu, it's epidemic here, which is a worry as coronavirus maybe getting overlooked because of it. My question is, as coronavirus and FIP appear, from what I have learned to be related directly to RNA/DNA, would correcting/repairing the DNA have an effect on treating this virus? Would love to have a chat with you about it. Best regards.

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Thank you for watching. I will forward your question to Dr. Berliner and follow up with you as soon as I hear back.

[@grfl8811]

@@MaddiesFundEducation Thank you, look forward to hearing from you.

[@shelleyrichmond9374]

Please ask your vets to try ivermectin. This has turned my cat with wet form fip completely around. She is having daily ivermectin injections.. she may be able to come home on Saturday. Today is Friday morning. She had her first ivermectin injection on Tuesday night. The turn around has literally been a miracle. Cross fingers my cat comes home tomorrow 🤞

[@stardustblade9664]

Hello my friends cat was diagnosed with Fcov and its his 6th day on vet. My friend was considering ivermectin shot. So can i ask if using ivermectin actually works? Does your cat recover from it?

[@millag93]

Did your cat healed after ivermectin?

[@notstarved4634]

my litter of 7 did indeed have the domino effect- one was euthanized and only days later did i see that the other was having symptoms too. shes on the GS treatment now and doing great!

[@soniczforever5470]

My cat had this and then another cat belonging to someone I was close to appears to have also gotten it. I thought if I didn't adopt another cat I wouldn't ever see this disease again I was wrong! It's cruel. The cats swollen almost to basketball size. The cat was exclusively indoor it looks very probable though Gorton from mother cat she's 8.

[@ROOSTER333]

Aug 5th 2020 we just foind out our cat Gus has this. My daughter's worlds are shattered. This sucks

[@PureJosker]

Our cat Gus (Gustav) also passed very fast this month from what we believe to be FIP. Devastating disease. Til we meet our Gus’ at the rainbow bridge. Gustav - April 15th 2020 to December 15th 2020

[@theartofpositivetransforma5059]

Tell me about it - I have barely survived my kitten's death at age 1,5 years old

[@bastilashan9808]

I have three cats who expose to FIP after one of them died recently. According to the Vet, you can vaccinate these cats if they passed the clinical test, using blood samples and a test kit. Need to know if I can vaccinate my cats?

[@PureJosker]

I was wondering if you could help me with all of our vets paper work after we lost our Gus. We didn’t have a full answer and it left me and my fiancé feeling like we failed ☹️ Thank you for your commitment to this cause. Looking forward to hearing back.

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Thank you for watching the video and for your nice comment. While we are not able to intervene with your vet, we applaud you for doing everything you could to help your pet. You might contact the better business bureau in your area, and perhaps there is an ombudsman at one of your local television stations. Please do not feel like you failed. Our condolences on your sad loss. It is clear Gus was loved and we are sad for you.

[@Dymah1]

my baby girl cat's (2.5 years old) coronavirus test results Came in positive today .. i am devastated.. starting to look after her diet and she is on GASTRO INTENSE food by ROYAL CANIN .. i have another cat and i was advised to separate litter boxes .. question is HOW? I will do my best to keep my cat stress free with ideal diet, what about my other cat please i cant afford and handle the idea of gaving 2 of my babies carrying coronavirus with FIP potential!!!! Please anyone

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Hello and thank you for watching the video. We're sorry to hear about your cat. Please follow your veterinarian's instructions. keep a separate litter box for the second kitty in a separate room and help train him/her to use that one. Here is an article that can help: www.petfinder.com/cats/cat-behavior-and-training/cat-litterbox-training/ We wish you the best of success.

[@ghostofvalor4349]

What happened to your kitty?

[@ghostofvalor4349]

I adopted a kitty that needed rehoming. I'm relatively new to rescue. I had some kittens who were sick at home already ... I'm pretty sure she got the corona virus from them. I thought if I kept up with their vaccinations they would be okay ... I was able to get GS-144524, but her symptoms had progressed so far, it didn't arrive in time. I think it had already done permanent damage to her eyesight and severity of disease increases chance of relapse. We don't even know if cats can live beyond 2 or 3 years after a successful treatment. I wanted a full life for her ...

[@melissaromero1083]

Do you still have this medication? I will buy it from you please. Email me at [e-mail]

[@lidochkamarishakoslov3304]

I feel sorry for the cats ☹️ Its already hard for them to live on their own, so hard to find a forever home 🥺 why having such deadly disease

[@opa1004]

I just got my cats blood work back today and she has the coronavirus. I took her to the vets because she had blood in her stool. Has anyone else expierenced the same with their kitty?

[@Takisarebetterthanfritos]

What country are u in hemi flavor?

[@high_fructose_corn_syrup]

I realize you must be a very busy person, but im hoping you can maybe and please take a few minutes to help me. we got 2 free female kittens from CL. fast forward 4 years, we lost one of them, her name was Munchie, to what my vet believes was FIP. The emergency vet also wondered about FIP when we brought her in to have her liver ultrasound. my vet wanted to see if it was an issue with her gallbladder so we were referred to the emergency vet. So long story short, all signs pointed towards FIP. How worried should we be about sister? the emergency vet said we dont have to worry, our family vet said we need to keep our eyes on her. our daughter is so heartbroken, the kitty we lost was HER cat :( i wanted to get her a kitty for Christmas but my vet said we should wait at LEAST 6 months. can you please offer your opinion on this? As our current cat is a blood sibling, it seems she would be at a higher risk. So does this mean we can never open our home to a 2nd cat? I am lost without our kitty, our daughter is too. please i beg you, can you offer some kind of insight as to the risk to my other cat and HONEST opinion on when to (if ever) get a new kitty. I had never heard of this... until it stole the life of our 4 year old baby on 12/02/19 (PS we are just a family home, we dont work at a shelter or vets office or breed and we dont let them outside)

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Hello and first of all, thank you for watching. Second, we are so sorry about your daughter's kitty, we know how sad that is! Third, I am not an expert but I can ask the speaker for her input on the risk to your other cat or any new one, if there is any. We will get back to you asap. Meanwhile, I found this article about FIP: vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/feline-infectious-peritonitis

[@high_fructose_corn_syrup]

@@MaddiesFundEducation thank you thank you thank you! I really appreciate it. I cant wait to hear back from you. Please make sure you ask when we can get our daughter a new kitty. And also we dont know for 100% that is what she had, our vet said signs pointed to that.

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

@@high_fructose_corn_syrup Hi again - I haven't heard back from the presenter of this video. I will ask one of our experts on staff. Thank you for your patience.

[@high_fructose_corn_syrup]

@@MaddiesFundEducation ok ty so so much. I truly appreciate it :)

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

@@high_fructose_corn_syrup Hello again - here is what our veterinarians say: From my understanding, a majority of cats have been exposed to and are positive to feline coronavirus (I’ve heard up to 60%). This is the virus that mutates in an individual cat to FIP. Not every feline coronavirus-positive cat mutates to FIP. The actual FIP virus is not contagious as FIP, but rather as feline coronavirus. So, cats exposed to FIP positive cats do not automatically get sick with FIP. They may become carriers of feline coronavirus and expose new cats to feline coronavirus, but just because a cat has feline coronavirus does not automatically mean the virus will mutate to FIP in them - that is an individual cat mutation. There may be some “hot” strains of feline coronavirus, but that is super hard to predict. If you had your two cats for several years, then one just died, I’m not sure waiting 6 months will do much to protect a new cat from exposure to feline coronavirus (which may or may not mutate to FIP). I’m not sure I’d worry too much about waiting because there is always a small risk with any cat anyway and waiting probably is not going to give you the security you are looking for. and from our other vet: I wouldn't worry about getting a new cat. Your FIP cat was exposed a long time ago and factors such as crowding, stress and genetics play a role in whether corona virus mutates in a cat to FIP. So, new cat, not at risk. Your other cat, if she is a sibling raised in the exact same conditions, does have a higher risk than other cats but she couldn’t pass it on to a new cat in the household. I hope this helps. Let us know and we'd love to know if you get a new kitty. We very much hope that if you do, you will adopt one from a rescue or shelter. Good luck!

[@mxsra.17]

My cat has maybe dry fip please can someone tell me he has no diarya or vomiting so will he live the doctor said he is ok but we are sure he has coranavirus but not sure it’s dry so please someone tell me something

[@bleistiftschubser1807]

Mahra Al Obaidi my cat has dry fip too, we feed him a special diet called „digestive care“. He has Greatly profited from this and i would advise you to Look for this food.

[@ghostofvalor4349]

"essentially" ... "not necessarily" ... I quarantined Oreo because I couldn't be 100% certain she was going to pass a viably mutated virus onto one of my other cats ... I ended up doing a "partial quarantine" where the other cats could visit her. I had to stop two from licking her though.

[@woodland.7344]

My cat died from this Virus.

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

We are so sorry, Misty. It is an awful disease.

[@rusellsabello405]

askibol

[@robnation2475]

People shouldn't give their cats beer. Maybe okay for dogs but not cats!

[@jaxmuncher]

If u got a cat that has corona virus..its might affect to u now cause it all started in China.... (china made me hate my cats now i hate myself. Im sorry Oreo..(my cat)

[@MaddiesFundEducation]

Thank you for watching. Is coronavirus in cats contagious to humans? "Very simply, the answer is no. FIP stems from infection with the enteric coronavirus of cats but FIP is not contagious. SO HOW CAN AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE NOT BE CONTAGIOUS? A contagious disease is spread from animal to animal or person to person. " Sep 3, 2019 www.marvistavet.com › feline-infectious-peritonitis and "Feline coronaviruses do not infect humans." www.sciencedirect.com › topics › agricultural-and-biological-sciences