stop making babies famous

[@MadisynBrown]

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[@fictionsofanantihero]

What I can't comprehend is… how could they blame the children?????? The only ones who should take the blame are the PARENTS.

[@mikafizz1022]

and all the other adults I the industry that take advantage of them and don't protect them

[@soaringsquid0.129]

Some people will blame anybody but themselves

[@Teean]

I liked that you mentioned putting children in local acting groups/programs. You can satisfy a child’s craving for acting without having to make them the next biggest star. A local theater group or classes at school should be just fine

[@MELLMAO]

Yeah, but then their kids can't be their own personal cash cows and they can't be the parent of a super famous child actor and get all the benefits and luxuries

[@laobok]

@@MELLMAO This double sarcasm is doing my head in. But say it louder so the whole world can hear.

[@hell_ohh]

@@MELLMAO I don't think they're talking about parents that just want to use their kids...

[@MELLMAO]

@@hell_ohh i was being sarcastic, but I know there are good and supportive parents who will do that. But a huge amount of them only want benefits and clout, I was mocking those kinds of parents

[@alishaoop2676]

as a child i wanted to be a huge star lol

[@INTERESTEDINFORMEDINSPIRED]

I’m only ten minutes in but I’ll put my two cents in. I’m a former Disney cast member, quit last year. I worked in the parks and resorts in Florida which is a different entity from Disney studios in Anaheim even though it’s the same company. Anyway we would get cheerleaders come down for competitions every spring and I worked one of those events and had to deal with those cheer parents for 12 long hours. Obviously different scenarios but similar behaviors: trying to live an unfulfilled dream through their children.

[@sapphic.flower]

It’s so sad to me how a lot of these kids don’t even know that and just think it’s their responsibility to make their parents happy or are conditioned to believe that this will make them happy. They don’t figure out the truth until it’s way too late.

[@Applee10101]

One of my best friends in middle school did cheer, and would do the competitions at Disney. Her mom was awful from what I can remember

[@krista8069]

as one of those said cheerleaders for a couple years, i have so much respect for Disney cast members. i saw how awful those cheer moms could be (thank goodness my mom wasn’t like that, but i was on teams with those moms, they’re awful to deal with) and i applaud you for the things you put up with.

[@mayfawnia]

moms who put their children through cheer because they didn't get to be one when they were younger makes me sick

[@harriyanna]

i had said "i don't care about adults playing teens in shows and movies because i think kids should not be working in hollywood" and then someone pulled out a whole list of things that could make the industry better for kids....and no. the entertainment industry is NOT a place for kids and there's proof on top of proof why its a bad for them.

[@kiera6326]

Teens are different from kids tho. I think if teens aren’t going to be allowed in Hollywood, then movie producers have no business making content about us in the first place. We should have the opportunity to portray our own stories, and if we’re a) portrayed by adults and b) not allowed in Hollywood at all, it may further contribute to the weird idolisation of teens in general rather than reducing it because you don’t get to hear anything from us specifically because we’re vulnerable or not capable or whatever but you’re still getting into those vulnerable intimate parts of our psyche and choosing to portray that, and often unrealistically too. I don’t know if that makes a lot of sense, but the prospect of that just feels kind of weird and unfair

[@lisah8438]

There is negative consequences for adults playing teenagers. I don't want to see adults play teenagers unless they look like a teenager. And they rarely do. Hollywood do not know how to write teenagers. I would rather have adults who look like teenagers and act like teenager play teenagers or I don't want to see teen characters on the screen at all.

[@___Music_Is_Life___]

There are times adults playing teens makes sense and adults who can pass pretty well for teens but what really gets me is when you have a bunch of adults who look so grown playing teens on shows that would work just as well if not better if they just set it at a college and had adults playing adults. They've got shows with like 30 year old "teens" dealing with really grown situations and casually drinking at bars without any need to get a fake id or something, why not just make it a show set at a college instead.

[@gummy5862]

@@___Music_Is_Life___ When it comes to high school, there's a sense of being forced to be there and having the world control your actions. College is super different, there's so much freedom in college and it's 100% voluntary. (Parental pressure is a whole other thing.) I can't completely put it into words, but high school and college atmosphere are completely different and I think these shows rely on the cliquey and gossipy hierarchy of high school to make their stories work. Like if you have too many college burnouts in the show, you bring the question, "Why are they even here?" In high school, you're legally obligated to be there.

[@poorninarayanan4833]

@harriyanna hook Love ur videos!

[@miraliaas]

This is becoming a huge problem in K-pop too. A new mainstream girl group that recently debuted, NewJeans, has members aged 14, 16, 17, 18, and 18. They’re basically being treated like adult idols from what I’ve seen, and one of their debut songs had extremely questionable lyrics for a 14 year old to be singing. I can’t imagine what these girls have gone through to get where they are at a very young age, and how they’re going to be exploited in the future. And this isn’t even a new development; just off the top of my head I know 5 more idols who debuted at 14 or even younger: Ni-Ki of Enhypen, Wonyoung of IVE, Seonyou of CLASS:y, HyunA, Taemin, and BoA (who debuted at 13). But I think the average age of debut, especially in mainstream groups, has been going down more in recent years, and it’s scary. Edit: added Wonyoung and Seonyou to the ever-lengthening list. Edit 2: People are saying this has always been happening. Yes. I said that. But maybe we should take some time to consider how maybe it /isn't good/? There's at the very least dozens, if not hundreds, of insider accounts of how harsh idol training is and how idols are constantly overworked and put on inhumane diets continuing until after they debut. Look at the 9 Muses of Star Empire documentary, look at any retired idol who's ever spoken out about the treatment they underwent. It's incredibly damaging to adults, so I can't imagine how traumatic the same or similar treatment can be for a younger idol. Starting a diet young can have long-lasting effects on someone's mental and physical health, and idol diets are already crazy to begin with. Asking anyone to practice singing and dancing for upwards of 9 hours a day while eating very little is borderline inhumane (or completely inhumane depending on the intensity of training). Now imagine a 12-13 year old going through that--because remember, to debut young, you have to start training even younger. I can't understand fans who say that people who are worried about NewJeans's ages are just "jealous" or "ageist", because there are very real concerns at play here. Wow, that was a long edit. And I think we should all take a moment to consider that the reason idols debut young likely isn't because their company "saw their talent shine from such a young age". Maybe that's part of it. But the main reason is probably to lengthen their run time in the industry, because for the most part, idols lose popularity after they hit mid-30s. And one way to make sure an idol will make a company money for as long as possible is by starting them on that as soon as possible.

[@itoo4884]

Yeah, we often compare Kpop child idols with Nickelodeon/Disney stars when it comes to child stardom. It's rough out here for kids who either want to follow their dreams and kids who are forced.

[@sapphic.flower]

Yes, I honestly have a hard time following new groups because of how young they are. It makes me uncomfortable not just because they’re treated older but how they got there since they had to be in the industry at an even younger age. One of my fav groups is NCT Dream but I got into them when they all already were adults. I hate how they started tbh, they all were basically raised by SM which is incredibly disturbing.

[@ayanomar1408]

I heard about that group! remember back when Idols had to finish college and were at least 18 before debuting?? now they drop off of highschool with NO guarentee of ever making it to stardom. it is insane how much it is accepted and normalized

[@anyaaa2801]

Yeah. The kpop industry is a very red zone.

[@moi2231]

and the fact that some people think 22 is too old to debut 😶 i dont know about them but i would be much more comfortable being a fan of a 22 year old than a 14 year old (nothing against the nj girls ofc)

[@rosemarie5719]

Back in the 1980's, there was this little girl named Judith Barsi. You might not recognize the name or her face, but you'll probably recognize her parts. She played Ducky in the original Land Before Time and Annemarie in All Dogs Go to Heaven. Her story is kind of similar to the baby Peggy story, except a lot darker. Her father was jealous of her success at such a young age that it affected his relationship with his wife and Judith. He used the money Judith made to buy a big, fancy house in a big, fancy neighborhood while he treated her like crap. You can read or watch more details(I recommend Eleanor Neale's video about it), but he ended up murdering his own child and wife because she was successful and has a better career than he ever did. R.I.P. Judith. I'm not sure if this was relevant to the video, but the Baby Peggy thing reminded me of it.

[@Ka_orellana]

I’m a 2000s baby but I remember Judith 😢 her story is just so tragic and she and her mama deserved sm better

[@chloealexis593]

ive heard about this story its so heartbreaking

[@whittenaw]

Holy shit i loved ducky. That's so sad!

[@MsTinkerbelle87]

Nobody will ever forget her name 💔

[@ama7074]

Omg yes it was so sad how he did that

[@Fabsocialism]

Love this! We have so much evidence of children having no business being famous because they can’t wrap their heads around the consequences. Even adults that are famous after 18 or 21 can’t handle it. So to see now people posting their kids publicly on social media regardless of the attention is so reckless and shows people see their kids as property instead of someone who needs to be able to make their own decision once they can understand the full scope of being on social media publicly. Like no matter how sweet the parents seem, their child having a public social media page is reckless.

[@marissag5440]

Omg girl I love your videos ❤. It’s good to see KZbinrs supporting each other. I love thisss ❣️

[@nottobeperceived256]

I recently saw a comment somewhere that said that sometime in the future there will be a major landmark case of a child suing their parent for invasion of privacy and monetization of their life and I believe that wholeheartedly

[@jordane8526]

@@nottobeperceived256 imagine with all the family channels on KZbin and tiktok exploiting their kids injuries, heartbreak and physical development for views

[@sapphic.flower]

Hearing a grown woman say “you need new headshots, badly” to a kid and saying how they got a wonderful photographer to “help” them makes me so mad. Like making the girl possibly insecure about her face and then making her and her mom think their professional expensive photographer can fix their issue and help their career?? It’s so exploitative.

[@Indijana]

It's also SO obvious a ploy, looking at that clip, but even the mum wouldn't see this out of desperation, probably.

[@sapphic.flower]

@AntiHAES she did. 💀💀 She implied it because the headshots exist to be judged on your appearance

[@bethanyvarre9142]

You know, it's amazing that it's legal for kids to be actors. How is that not child labor? I didn't know what I was signing up for. I was three. -Sarah Lynn (Bojack Horseman)

[@custard-scream]

facts, im so glad the script writers put that in

[@SuperSara924]

I just wanna agree with you on the putting kids in something local instead of Hollywood. As a kid I wanted to be on Disney/Nick, but instead my parents had me do school plays and community theater. Not only was I still allowed to be a kid but it was way less stressful and I made some great friends and memories. There is a way to encourage your kid’s aspirations without taking away their childhoods

[@kenziej4301]

Lol I wanted to an actor too so my parents put me into Jon CasaBlanca agency classes 🤷🏼‍♀️ but I lost interest

[@gustavus0013]

:,[ tbh too bad there aren’t like national competitions for like acting and such. It’s a much better alternative.

[@Iaurenz]

this is extremely sad. i was shocked at the amount of predators who worked at disney and nickelodeon and were ALLOWED to continue working there after being charged

[@maybe8985]

Honestly not only they put celebrities on a higher standard, but expect literal children to act some type of way, placing hopes onto them and feeling entitled (like blue ivy and the hadid sisters sns.)

[@curcubeusiiubirea7778]

I wasn't on tv, but when I was five I played Helen Keller on stage. It was my first and only preformance. The director LOVED me, and he was my mother's friend. And my mother really wanted me to audition, so I did. I remember feeling awful on stage and even just auditioning for a few people. I had to get on the ground and scream and cry, bang on things and do a bunch of other emotional scenes, because, well, it was Helen Keller. It was a crazy time.

[@rebeccassweetmusic4632]

The Miracle Worker? YEAH! It makes sense why you would feel that way because that WAS Helen's childhood... It's a beautiful and emotional play AND film, for sure, but the little girls who play Helen Keller should be taken care of when they're not practicing scenes. The movie and story speaks to me on so many different levels. However, children's mental health and well-being should always come first! Especially, when they're doing emotionally and physically demanding roles like these

[@curcubeusiiubirea7778]

@@rebeccassweetmusic4632 Yes! It was the miracle worker! And I completely agree!

[@neb.9489]

It’s so annoying that kids have to go through this. The sad thing is, it’s never going to end. There’s always going to be young actors in the world, especially on programs that are aimed at other kids. More people are leaning towards social media for fame and are putting their kids in terrible situations online, but that’s a whole other can of worms.

[@randowl404]

Honestly, as you said, kids who really want (from their own decision) to follow acting should do so in their local theatre or small events, and then, only if the kid wants to, follow a more serious carreer from there. And even still there are so many problems that can come from that. Maybe children just really aren't supposed to be in movies

[@gustavus0013]

:,[ tbh too bad there aren’t like national competitions for like acting and such. It’s a much better alternative.

[@COYGLydia]

i'm honestly not even for children being in hollywood in the first place. i get that there are lots of roles 'requiring ' these things, but kids can't even see the consequences of what they're doing/being forced to do

[@jordane8526]

Children cannot consent

[@444chibaby]

Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen are two other people who literally started stardom as infants… it’s just crazy to hear and see the long lasting repercussions of this

[@BenIsFiguringitOut]

Thank you for this video. This has been an issue for soooooo long! It makes me angry at the parents who exploited their children for whatever the motive was….smh!

[@soupertsoupbirdsoupington7319]

A solution could be to devote true talent and acting to children’s animated movies and keep the child stars in safe, much more highly regulated voice acting roles that can be much more monitored for breaks etc. The separate accounts and other systems also need a massive overhaul, and there should be mandated therapist check ins and perhaps even monitoring by child protective services.

[@kiera6326]

You can’t put CPS and therapy in the same system, that’s a recipe for disaster lol. Other than that, I agree

[@soupertsoupbirdsoupington7319]

@@kiera6326 That's a fair observation! I suppose maybe we need a middle ground, like family therapy.

[@carriefernandez8705]

Children don't even need to be voice actors. Most VAs for child roles are adult women. Children are too unpredictable and their voices change too quickly. See also the original English VA for Alphonse Elric in the first Fullmetal Alchemist anime - he couldn't reprise his role for Brotherhood because his voice completely changed.

[@amytass6142]

I have this friend who is in this alt rock band that got "famous" when she was around 19 and the whole famous part of being in a successful band just destroyed her. She went through her worst depression ever, she deleted her tumblr, the band hired people to post for them, she avoided interviews, and then decided to just disappear from all social media for years ( and yall know how important/vital social media is for an artist nowadays) and only interact with people offline. I can't imagine the effects of being thrown into stardom when you're a lot younger. Also I wonder if being famous really young is one of the reasons why a lot of them date older people? Like if they're just used to be around older people then they have this warped idea that that's just how life works? They don't consider people their own age because they've never been around people their own age?

[@patatasalaimportancia1462]

Child stars deserve better

[@doiknowyou6284]

Yupp

[@user9180]

Absolutely

[@geradenward5613]

I’m really glad that we’re having this conversation because it needs to be had

[@lenapawlek7295]

Its so disgusting how the parents are okay with exploiting their children in these situations

[@ayanomar1408]

Thank you for this video. I have two small children and I made an active choice to keep thier lives as privet as possible until they are old enough to post thenselves, many times I was approached so my daughter would do commercials or ads because she fits a certain type of “cute baby girl” look but I rejected them. I know it is a slippery slope. one moment you are thinking of how much money one gig can get you and you can put the money away for them when they reach adulthood. next thing your child is working non stop and have creeps abusing her/him

[@altheaosborn2648]

Homeschool survivor here...I definitely missed out on a lot of important socialization, and as someone who was introverted to begin with, it's taken a long time to learn how to pick up on social cues. It's a real concern.

[@lisah8438]

Homeschool survivor? That is overdramtic.

[@cherryblossom7120]

@@lisah8438 there's domestic violence.

[@witapepsi]

@@cherryblossom7120 did OP say that was part of their case? Homeschooling is not bad. Abuse also happens in public schools, domestic abuse is not exclusive to homeschooling. It does suck the rest of society has shamed OP for not meeting their social expectations.

[@lisah8438]

@@cherryblossom7120 Domestic violence can happen anytime, any place and any where.

[@schmeterling]

Contradictory point: i was in regular school and didn't know how to pick social cues till i was in my 20s.

[@wtfjackaboy]

As a homeschooled kid I absolutely am not normal, but I appreciate the sentiment

[@lisah8438]

Public school kids aren't normal either. There is no such thing as normal.

[@dawn-nl8sf]

this is such an interesting topic and I'd love to see your take on the kpop industry since they keep debuting so many minors in such abusive and exploring industry. To be an idol they must go through an audition and training process (multiple years long in 98% of cases). there's idols out there who literally became trainees before hitting their 10th birthday and it's well known how hard it is the training process as well the actual job. there are multiple middle schoolers debuting these days and companies putting groups full of minors with only one or two members not being one but being barely 18 or 19 years old and, in my opinion, it's so wrong because the kpop industry (as any other) is harsh and the public it is as well. knetizens and kpop stans are always ready to hate on young girls for simple things like putting some weight (bc of the horrible diet culture in korea) or celebrities dating. the idol job is super mental draining and cannot imagine how it must feel for a young child because it is a full time job where your job it's being perfect.

[@eemboy06]

Something that I think a lot about is the recent movie C'mon C'mon, where Joaquin Phoenix and Gaby Hoffman, both former child actors, made sure that the set was a safe and healthy place for Woody Norman who played their son. I'm not saying with 100% certainty that it was a perfect environment because I wasn't there, but having former child actors in the room or advocating for younger actors can definitely help - training the adults who work on set, making sure each child actor has an appointed advocate (who is *not* related to them!!) and greatly restricting their working time. Another example I think of is the BBC show Outnumbered, where they actually owned both sides of a twin home. The kids would work for 1-2 hours at a time (mostly improvised work, just having fun) and then the adult actors would work with stand-ins, usually directors, to get reaction shots and film the rest of the episodes while the kids played and were taken fully off set. There was no memorizing lines or staying late, they just gave them the scenario and an emotion and worked with their genuine reactions. The thing about these solutions is that they cost significantly more money and limit the amount of control that producers, directors, and even parents have over their children - and the loss of money and control is something that most high powered people cannot stand for. I would say that unless you're prepared to do all of these things, write a script where there are no children involved. Point blank.

[@brandonnorvell5369]

I found it kinda interesting that you mentioned Ryan's toy Reviews at the end haha. Imo that's a perfect example of a child star that is also being exploited by his parents. The kid has merch in Walmart for Christ sake lol. The only difference is, it's on the internet and therefore COMPLETELY unregulated as far as I know. Fully agree with the overall point though.

[@lullasings3466]

I've been homeschooled my whole life, from preschool all the way to 12th grade. At first it was because there was a lot of reports about bullying and violence in the news and my parents wanted to keep me away from that. They brought me to church every Sunday and Wednesday to hang out with the other kids my age and until 5th grade I attended a homeschool co-op. That's how I got my socializing in. After a few years my parents decided to continue homeschooling me for religious reasons, but eventually offered to put me in a private school because I was growing curious about what schools are like. But I refused because I had social anxiety. I am now in 12th grade and still homeschooled because I am a slow learner due to learning disabilities (mainly ADHD and autism) and can't learn well in an environment where I can't repeat things over and over. (I can't rewind or pause a live lecture for example.) I am actually repeating 12th grade because last year I was having severe mental health issues and could barely study. Homeschooling allows me to go as slow as I need to and still graduate. I hope to graduate by the time I'm 20. I'm currently a few days away from my 19th birthday.

[@markigirl2757]

Please take ur time it’s ok. I wished I did I have adhd and suspect autism and once I got to college I crashed and burned and couldn’t do it anymore. I had to drop off out of college bc of this and have never gotten a career so it’s all good do what’s best for u and if u do want to go to college I highly recommend gettting a tutor or find support groups for learning disabilities and get accommodations.

[@meghanrodriguez2393]

You got this! No need to rush!

[@christine9122]

My cousin was a former child star in our country. But when he was still starting, he couldn't cry in a drama-intense scene. He was supposed to cry in front of a coffin. The staff made his mom go inside a coffin for him to cry.

[@MiAm0rie]

sad. they deserve much better. Thank you for this video.

[@Chrisdoesntlikenoisecore]

yes we need to talk abt this topic more

[@liliyaisafk]

There's a manga called Oshi no Ko that really gives a decent look at what a firsthand account of this can be with the character Kana Arima, if you'd ever be interested in checking it out (although the synopsis sounds really weird, it ends up being a very deep and serious story). This really adds some deeper insight to some of the things it had initially revealed to me about the industry, so thank you! This was an amazing video ♡

[@bremusicpage]

This is spot on. My mom moved my family out to LA for me to be in the industry when I was 13 and it truly almost ruined my life. It took me almost two decades to figure out how to have normal expectations for my life, and I still struggle with it every day. The industry has so much evil in it and parents who do that to their kids are at best naive and at worst abusive.

[@anishna_]

This is been playing on my mind so much recently, especially when I watched the Rehearsal with Nathan Fielder and one of the child actors began thinking Nathan, who was playing his dad, was actually his dad. It was heartwrenching to watch and highlighted how acting as a child can completely warp your sense of reality and bring your insecurities/negative experiences in your past to the forefront (this kid's dad left) in a way that is difficult to understand even as an adult. Would really recommend watching, as we also see Nathan grapple with that dilemma and evaluate how he could've prevented it. Well articulated video!!

[@deilen961]

ultimately i wish we could hear more from the child actors who grew up and continued to act, but seem relatively ok, like, what was so different for them? and how do we make that the norm instead of the exception? i don't know if it would be practically enforceable given the internet and the wild card of different parenting, but i feel like the part that really consistently damages kids is the fame/celebrity/marketing part of it all where the barrier between them as individuals vs characters is broken down it would be a major financial hit (and hopefully a hit to stage parents who want that fame), but i really don't think child actors should be doing interviews and media circuits and red carpets and social media etc., and all the extra stuff that's building their careers around them as people and letting the public get to know them outside of the character they played maybe hire a kid for a kid part if you can't find an adult actor who looks young enough, but use a pseudonym and don't disclose private information like where they're from and their ages etc, keep them out of the marketing of it all so they can reserve their right to being a private citizen and have some plausible deniability if they're recognised altering appearance and voice to play a character feels like dangerous territory, but if there was some child psychologist approved method of changing their appearance and voice for the role and distancing them even further from who they are as a private individual and maintaining their relative anonymity then do that too, anything that's safe to create more distance between them as private citizens vs the character people recognise i would also be 100% down for that old school 00's shitty animation they used for animals to CGI a kid in for things like sitcoms where that would be a part of the humour (think the old scooby doo movies) completely removing children from the acting industry seems implausible, but the current Hollywood system actively financially benefits from removing these kids' privacy and creating a public persona and career when they're too young to consent

[@deilen961]

for context - media and fame works a little differently in my country even though performance is a big cultural thing, but children's personal lives and personalities aren't given to the public in the way that Hollywood seems to require, so it was very normal growing up to know some people who landed roles in major projects (some that gained international recognition and followings), but they had pretty normal lives and it was basically just a hobby they got paid for then they came back to school and people moved on maybe part of it is a cultural values difference, like, almost everyone here can sing and act because of our culture, so doing that as a job doesn't come with an automatic pedestal unless someone actively chooses into the fame side of it, so i don't know if it would translate to Hollywood, but i don't think that life ruining fame and being a child actor are inherently intertwined, so maybe there's potential for laws to detangle those things and get rid of the incentive to throw these kids to the wolves

[@gotosleep2876]

i really wanna hear from brooke shields. she’s the most exploited child star i know but never went “crazy” and seems okay.

[@deilen961]

@@gotosleep2876 yep! would be so interesting to have her insight alongside others from a variety of experiences in the industry to figure out if it's possible to do safely, and what changes need to occur, although i can't help but wonder if there's more behind the scenes with Brooke that she might just not be safe sharing given the things that have come out about the industry in recent years, or just has no interest in disclosing Saoirse Ronan was on my mind as i wrote my original comment because she's the closest i can think of with an actor who started young and remained in the industry, and seems to have had protective parents and good boundaries with her private life - she's one of very few actors i can think of in her generation with her body of work where there's a very clear line between her as a known actor, vs her as a private person

[@rania1408]

I agree with this! I think a good solution is letting them work on sets when needed but then removing that social media aspect and events, interviews, red carpets etc… that adds fuel to the fire and will give them more attention for their careers. Unless they actually want to pursue acting (not their parents wanting that for them) then they should make that choice but once they’re an adult. It would be good to hide them from the limelight in a way. Then of course having a good support system at home and on sets and having check-ins with a professional would help. Being a child star is exhausting work and an environment no one should grow up in. The thing is it’s almost impossible to remove that completely so instead the question should be “how do we allow that to happen but with minimal to no consequences in their childhood and adulthood?” Is there a healthy way of being a child star and growing up okay? That should be the focus.

[@randompersonontheinternet5183]

I feel bad for child stars. Also great video!!

[@vloveg80]

Great video - I like that you cited examples from the silent film era through the present. Hoping that line about Ryan’s Toy Reviews was ironic? Since family/kid-based social media is regularly being called out now as dangerous and exploitative. Sometimes tone/inflection doesn’t always carry, so I’ve been mulling over that for a few minutes.

[@losstefanos8974]

TYSM KERA for sponsoring this video. In other news, I watched the whole thing and I'm feeling thoroughly informed

[@anapcm_]

Honestly my heart hurts for them, they deserved so much better than what they got

[@Music-tb3qc]

Please let this video go viral so there can be some change in the industry

[@Anj-Bts]

I came across people talking about K pop industry, I totally agree that recently all the companies are auditioning teens between the age of 13-18 for new groups. Though I am a big fan of K pop, I totally despise their way of selecting only young children for new groups. No wonder why I found it hard to like watching their music videos, since they have been sexualised at a very young age, 😔 making them wear the dressess they are uncomfortable with. Not only this, but kids coming across K pop are really trying hard to be like their fav star, trying to fit-into their standards, doing extreme dieting to be like their Idol.etc Its sad that teens (especially the one who are trying hard to get into K pop industry) are losing their childhood because of their extreme training and pressure. They are losing their precious time with their family and friends, distancing themselves to reach their goal. I'm not telling that it is bad for them to do what they like. But it's the sad truth, that all the famous Boy and girl groups have left their family at a very young age and worked their ass off to fit into the rules made by their agencies. They have to follow strict dieting inorder to maintain their weight which makes them weak most of the time 😭😭😭, especially if they are a famous/ rising group, they have to go through a lot of practices inorder to perform PERFECTLY and they are hardly getting time to rest, or even live like a normal person by going out and hanging out with their friends or family 😞. Its sad that they can't do anything without the agencies acknowledgement, and are forced to follow all the rules at such a young age. It might be happy to watch them having fun, but only they know how much pain they are going through 😭they may be depressed but still pretend to be happy infront of the camera or they will be subjected to criticism. They are even forced to practice for more than the time they are supposed to just to make them PERFECT in every aspect forgetting about their well being. They're is way too much about this industry that i don't like about. Though they are a lill' better compared to what they were before. But, They still have to go through a lot of changes. Hope they change their way of treating their employees like a puppet for money, and try to maintain a healthy environment someday ✨🌏 P.s. Ignore my bad English 🤡

[@ellqgloriq]

As a homeschool kid that grew up with a lot of cousins that were homeschooled too, honestly it really matters on the person how well it works for you obviously. Most of my cousins did just fine, but for me It did not go good, I never had to actually have a due date so my procrastination was on a whole new level and I don’t know how to socialize like AT ALL. I didn’t even have an actual friend until last year. I don’t it works differently for everyone and I’m sure other homeschooled people are fine and don’t have these issues or maybe they have some other issues.

[@RainlilyZen]

Thank you for covering this, it’s so important. ❤

[@MorganYorkWrites]

You hit the nail on the head with all of this.

[@annajansone5778]

Love this video! I have always been intrested in this topic especially after growing up with so many child stars as people who i looked up to when i was younger. Now when im older i finally see the reality of being a child star and its heartbreaking and needs to be talked about more.

[@UrbanNinja123]

Thank you Madisyn people need to hear and see this that The PITFALLS & STRUGGLES of CHILDHOOD STARDOM IS REAL!! I definitely understand and can relate to all of this being a former child star on the local scene myself I heard stories, interviews and saw documentaries on Child Stardom even learn from other former child stars from Nickelodeon, Disney Channel, Music, TV shows, movies, etc.. So I'm glad I enjoyed and have my childhood did local plays, talent shows to build up my craft didnt rush to be in Hollywood at a young age cause I didn't want become the ROBOT for the industry. Dear future superstars: Anything that your passionate about doing or if chasing your dreams in show business, there should be a passion, organic, natural knack for it. You should not be/feel FORCED, PRESSURED, OR MANIPULATED from PARENTS, EXECS, AGENTS, CASTING DIRECTORS, to do it if your HEART IS NOT IN IT, WALK AWAY SAY NO, IF IT IS, GO FOR IT!!!

[@ni-cn6il]

23:27 madisyn that’s not something to joke about babes 😭😭

[@mirandaweber9383]

My fave is people who have their INFANTS act! Like they pop out a baby and look at it and think, yeah, I should put this thing to work....

[@lesliemartin3]

In my opinion the biggest problem with people putting their children into show Business and becoming the breadwinner for their family is the fact that there is no longer simple unconditional love the parents have for keeping their child happy and current with the things they need in their life. There is a new agenda at hand and it has nothing to do with love and it can blur lines significantly until people no longer see their child as a child that they love and support no matter what. It turns into this sort of novelty all together that has a whole other purpose.

[@Music-tb3qc]

Children shouldn't be made to work!! They deserve to enjoy their childhood!!

[@anyaaa2801]

It's a good day when Madisyn posts!

[@loen2629]

I would really love to see something about the child stars that seem to be doing fine in their adulthood (for example the harry potter cast) and what may have made the difference. I think in Europe as a child actor (not necessarily „star“) you have a lot less pressure compared to Hollywood. Also, homeschooling is basically not a thing here, at least in most countries as far as I know. Maybe the fact that the acting schedule has to be modeled around their normal lives as kids, like going to school, helps to put less pressure on them. They don’t live purely for acting their whole childhood. They are not surrounded by the whole „culture“ of stardom, fame and wealth all the time like in Hollywood.

[@guest5153w]

I got exploited by my local labor industry as a teen and recently have been trying to get out to finish my education This video made me think!

[@INVINCIBLE840]

tysm for talking about this. i also don't understand the need for singing/dancing/paegent show competitions for children like?? i can't imagine the pressure put on them to win the prize money for their family. what do they do after they win? go back to their normal lives?

[@Ella.A.Eh.]

This is such a great video. Like many I really like your idea of opting for local theater as an outlet for kids interested in acting. It did make me think, though, that there's just so much you can do nowadays because the internet is everywhere and it's basically cut out the middleman (Hollywood).

[@itoo4884]

I'd much rather have a child voice act for kids cartoons. Not a perfect solution but at least the medium and topics fit. One example is Amazing World of Gumball. Honestly, it's sad. Not everyone is going to have the Keke Palmer happy ending with the industry. More often than not, well have a Janette McCurdy situation in the west and Taemin situation in the east .

[@ayanomar1408]

I have said it many times. the only way to thrive in this industry is to either be surrounded by a powerful people paving the roads for you and protecting you along the way OR having family ties and managers/mentors who will pummle the way for you ofcourse non of this comes for free.

[@irinao4947]

Great video! Also the thing I often think about is that at least they have some laws for child actors, but there is nothing for child bloggers. There is literally no one else responsible for abusing these children, but their parent, no studio execs, no one. Just parents who make their children live these crazy lives for the sake of social media algorithm.

[@sand5563]

Love your videos bro always look forward to them

[@alisonexe]

I’m obviously not on the scale of child stars but ive been singing since i was 7 and i started getting put on stages in front of audiences at around 8. I based my entire identity on performing ever since i was a child and now i base a lot of my confidence on peoples opinions of my performances

[@juliannadoesstuff]

As a baby I was in the soap opera As The World Turns, and would do other little things like book covers ... we would travel to the NYC, we lived right outside, and when I got to an age I could tell my parents I didn't want to go into the city, but wanted to stay home and play with my sister they took me out of it. But imagine they forced me to do it for the money, I could have gotten a lot of work! My life would be very different. But I will say it did start my retirement fund, so I am grateful my parents were thiking of my future! Also great video, love your content!

[@laurieswanderingmind]

Amazing video as always Madisyn! Love it! This was also really well edited! 😊

[@dreambrush7251]

Not to mention that this is still happening. Look at the kpop industry, NewJeans just debuted at least one 14 year old girl. I can't imagine being a teenager and getting this much attention and judgement from millions of people worldwide.

[@annawissmuller6563]

Thank you for the video! It's a topic I'm thinking about a lot too recently

[@maijennasis]

the origin of children in stardom was already sketchy and predatory as hell so if the foundation is rotten, everything built from that is pretty rotten as well. I wish they would leave these babies alone fr.

[@imtatianapellegrini]

i truly admire your work!

[@krustomer]

Reminds me a little of the ending of the Rehearsal. Fielder (somewhat satirically) addresses how parents and producers exploit the mental health of child actors

[@cataryad661]

I really think the creators on the set of Abbott Elementary treat the child actors well. They’re integral to the show (because it’s set in a school) but there’s no real pressure put on them.

[@spongebobssponge1224]

children. are. not. property.

[@rkenzie5235]

I just stumbled across this on the KZbin universe..watching it after Aaron Carter is just so freaking sad and the worst example of what happens to child stars.

[@HighAsHeckPriestess]

Especially when we talk about kids who are like Jennette McCurdy, whose parents force them into it to live vicariously through them. Or kids like stars of old Hollywood, whose parents exploited their gifts to pay the bills. These poor things are adultified so early taking the responsibility of their parents to earn a decent living. And then they don't ever develop a sense of self, or have a lot of difficulty

[@reet7060]

Child actors and models are sold by their parents. Everytime I see a horror movie or really adult show where the kid is subjected to some fuck shit I think “how much did the parents make?”

[@plamondonworks6948]

Sadly child exploitation has only gotten worse with the advent of the family bloggers. This terrible way for revenue stream is now accessible to everyone with internet access

[@randowl404]

This is really important

[@seni4164]

What you were saying at 25:40 really reminded me of art is dead by bo burnham

[@aplila]

This is definitely a good video, but my least favorite on the poll. Everyone has kind of already talked about it, and I’m enjoying the insight, but it’s no fresh take. Please keep up the good work- I hope you get to the other things you listed!

[@JemRochelle]

Great video, as always!

[@LiterallyJustMyThoughts]

Do the kid labour laws include the hours it takes to learn lines and practice, too? Bc jeez I'm sure it's so much work,

[@Ghndleen]

I love ur channel keep posting

[@BarbieAngel-ze5ie]

I feel like the only way child stars can maintain this balance between life and fame is when they have a good family support (mentally and physically) and even THAT seems unrealistic. But that’s the only answer I can see working.

[@adrian_istrans7056]

Your videos are so good

[@marpottah2042]

At 15:46 it reminded me of when Billie at 17 said she only dates older men because she was so far from being a teenager so she couldn’t date a high schooler

[@Rikigals]

It kinda shows how ingrained it it when at the end of the vid you said, I’m just assuming without thinking, “kids should be able to go home at the end of the day and watch Ryan’s toy review” but what about Ryan? This comment isn’t meant to be hate in any way, shape, or form! Just wanted to point that out cuz I found it a little fun y

[@birdiewolf3497]

I will say, I am honestly more against television work than I am movie work. I don't think children should be working on a show full time for years on end. Movies on the other hand is short term. Television roles should be the first thing that gets cut. Especially since that is what these parents hope for so they can get a steady check. I want to eliminate child stars, but it would also be strange for stories to not have children in them.

[@armt8543]

Not Brian’s toy reviews also being a child star 😭😩

[@senoir.]

Not you fighting with the sound😭

[@MadisynBrown]

i swear there’s audio issues every time 🙃 im trying my best lol. shot this video multiple times i couldn’t do it again!

[@lolatank8328]

Great video , good that some people see it .

[@kearshsas3844]

To be honest i've always hated the fact of seeing children on tv. Apart from playing very annoying characters I've always believed that children shouldn't be stars at all. And this also counts for influencers and whatever makes people famous nowadays. They need their childhood, damn it

[@viridianacortes9642]

Maybe in the future VFX will be so good we’ll just use deep fakes and put it on little people. They did it for LOTR. Let’s hope that alternative happens. Kids should be kids.

[@RiniDiamandis]

before you take random vitamins and supplements you should go to a doctor or lab and get yoyr blood work done. There are specific levels our bodies are supposed to have. Find that out, then get the right vitamins +supplements. There shouldn't be any "guess work" involved

[@Yosoydom]

THANK YOU. I broke out in hives for a month a couple years ago randomly. Thought I caught bed bugs. Turns out it was the multivitamin I was taking, my body was reacting to getting too much of it. Got blood tests, turns out I only need a vitamin D tablet. smh.

[@RiniDiamandis]

@@Yosoydom I'm so sorry that happened, but I'm happy you got it sorted and it wasn't more serious! 💟💟 I really hate seeing influencers push vitamins and brands like this without talking abt health and safety ramifications bcos it can end soo badly! It's really negligent esp giving the ages of ppl who follow them. I'm a teen and I've have to tell so many schoolmates NOT to get these cos their fav content creators and tters are always pushing them as sponsors and they're usually relatively inexpensive. And it comes from comedy channels to movies movie to beauty and fitness channels and now just commentary channels? My dad's an endocrinologist and so I think that's why I know how bad it can end up but it's just so DANGEROUS. Theres only one vv popular creator i know of who recently came out and said not to just buy these willynilly. It's gabchase and she had to go to the doctor and at the beginning of the video she showed like 10 different bottles of supplements and vitamins she was taking and after she went to the doctor she was told literally she's v healthy and she only needs to stop eating so much cheese cos she had labs done and her calcium was WAAAY too high. Also she was drinking way too much water. She had been going to the bathroom like crazy for the past year every 30 mins and her kidneys were clearly working overtime. She's v lucky it wasn't more serious. But even then the video was played for laughs cos "haha i eat too much CHEESE" - Edited for corrections

[@tjskeyblade]

I think you are right Madison

[@briannamontgomery3709]

the whole thing is giving dance monkey dance. seeing actual footage of the kids doing auditions for the adults out into a new perspective. putting my little self in their shoes, i wouls have been like "what the fuuuuuuh". kids should be playing and growing. it's no wonder they end up "acting out". poor things, all of em.

[@tigger8163]

I love the way bojack horseman shows the “ugly” sides of Hollywood and fame. Sarah Lynn’s character is a heartbreaking portrayal of how it can be, in a “swallowable” way (through animation and with a splash of comedy)

[@ba5126]

I wholeheartedly agree! I think that it's also damaging to the young audience that they're targeting. I grew up thinking that I must achieve success until I'm 18. I naturally felt like a failure at 21, despite the fact that I had so much going for me, while pursuing my higher education... it baffles me how they had the heart to rob these child actors from their childhood, freedom AND in most cases - their hard earned money. Sure, I guess you can use child actors for some projects, as long they are taken care of while participating, but branding them as full blown products and capitalising mainly on their youth is sickening. When you look at stars from the 70's and 80's, most of them are in their late 20's when they got their big break. That's because show business is a tough industry and you need to have a lot of experience before making it big, both talentwise and businesswise. You're not fully mentally developed until you're 25. How can a 14 year old, for example, possibly manage under this kind of pressure? That's why I don't mind seeing 30 year olds play teenagers, I'd rather know that's a full blown adult actor, than an exploited child.

[@AE-ld9ck]

I was given the opportunity to attend the “pilot week” thing when I was about 19 or 20. I was interested in commercial modeling, and since I (still do) look much younger than what I actually am, I was going to go with a bunch of national title holders from various pageants and local actors from theatre groups to land a gig or at least to get seen. The issue was cost and… I didn’t want to act. If I had an interest in acting I honestly would have headed out there any means necessary, but I’m pretty glad I didn’t. My heart would not have been in it at all and the breadwinner issue would have definitely come up since my family is not wealthy at all. My Mom was always skeptical of the casting calls that would always pop up locally for Disney or Nickelodeon too. I had friends and some relatives go to them and just, wow. If you (the kid/teen) really love the art form and you want to try that’s up to you, but the stage parents need to be weeded out in an interview process or something, it’s sad that the parents would affect the child’s career but there need to be safety measures in place like Alyson Stoner mentioned. Unfortunately, the exact same thing exists in Olympic sports to a terrifying degree…

[@peachesnola7860]

30:20 Judy Garland has spoken about her time as a child actor & how her addictions are a direct result of what they would give her to keep her working long hours. If I remember correctly, she was also on an extreme diet, so that in Wizard of Oz she didn't look too developed & could pass as a younger girl. What these children go through, not just in mainstream Hollywood, but the music industry, and social media IS NOT WORTH OUR ENTERTAINMENT. Because that's what this boils down to. Children are being put through absolutely horrifying things, all so that the masses can be entertained. It's absolutely sickening.

[@grizzlybear7276]

I love your videos there just so interesting to watch please keep it up Mads❤️‍🔥💝💝💝

[@Snapbuddy]

I agree with you that children shouldn't be made the work the way they do in Hollywood. My only question, as a script writer, how would we solve the problem of if there is a child in the script? I'm currently writing a story which includes all ages, but it wouldn't look right an adult playing a 12 year old? Sadly they need a safe, caring environment but that isn't the case atm.