Madonna: Is "Madame X" The Beginning Of The End?

[@rhino79]

Michael Jackson is dead. George Michael is dead. Prince is dead. The fact that Madonna is alive and still working is a triumph in itself.

[@loganwkl4871]

rhino79 Elton John is alive

[@beng2984]

@@loganwkl4871 And he has talent

[@bravesoul5743]

@@loganwkl4871 Elton John is not from the same generation where Madonna became an artist. Elton started in the 70s

[@marcoantoniosilvaalvarenga939]

@@bravesoul5743 He started even before, late 60's

[@beng2984]

@ Haha. She doesn't get extra points just for staying alive lol.

[@hhtptai]

Meh...I think at this point she's won it all, done it all. She's just doing it for herself at this point. Which is fine.

[@MARS0l]

Exactly.

[@edbrown9016]

Thanks Taiyah!

[@wilburwilbur7241]

Oh I very much agree! She really haa nothing more to prove

[@spiritronica]

No she doesn’t. She still wants a commercial success, hit songs etc. She is unable to make them anymore tho. Medellin meant to be a hit single -the new Despacito - Maluma got billions views on KZbin and its failed, I rise - suppose to be an anthem - failed, love song Crave - failed. Future..... too. She lost a relevance that appears to general public.Amen.

[@jameslawlor927]

Taiyah Jackson Exactly!

[@CharlieInDaUK]

I think your're forgetting that Madonna is in the 4th decade of her career. To have 3 peaks of success and acclaim in your career (Like a Prayer, ROL, Confessions) is a massive achievement and you cannot continue that forever. She needs to forgo the commercial sounds and put out albums like ROL and Madame X, that are different and creative, as she gets into older age.

[@MyGAGL]

Don’t forget her abnormally huge commercial success with True Blue and The Immaculate Collection :o

[@delusionsofgrandeur1330]

I think you didn’t listen to his video because he literally praised her for the whole first half and said he wasn’t trying to dispute that.

[@visualhatefvck]

Its not the point. Fact is, the production of Madame X was and is just awful and chaotic.

[@bc5163]

@@delusionsofgrandeur1330 as a Madonna fan I found his "praise" for her to be patronising

[@ehaught9722]

It’s her 5th actually 80’s, 90’s, 00’s, 10’s and 20’s.

[@jambogb]

Her Madame X concerts here in London are an enormous success acclaimed by the critics and the fans! That's enough for me! She's the Queen of pop. Period.

[@criticalhard]

There and in many other places around the planet, something like NONE of ther peers from the 80s can do.

[@Madonna_QueenOfPop]

Hardy Candy MDNA Rebel Heart Are the three albums I love from Madonna despite the hate they receive from "fans"

[@Jubileutargaryen]

She is making good music. God control is a masterpiece, but the radio dont play and this makes her flop. Tha's so sad, cause she is the pop

[@1javixD]

That one of my faves and it speaks the truth; our nation lied, we lost respect ✊ they pretend to help it makes me laugh!

[@Sapphire901]

Masterpiece... Okay 😅

[@AdamAdam-ni1lu]

She is the pop industry?? Lies Taylor swift is

[@domain5126]

@@AdamAdam-ni1lu 😂😂😂 nope she isn't

[@AdamAdam-ni1lu]

@@domain5126 yes she is Madonna was in the 80s , 90s and a bit of the 2000s but not anymore

[@justsomekid33]

She's almost 62. Gets no radio or streaming support and yet her albums still consistently go to number 1 around the world. Her tours still do great business (many outlets have said the madame x tour is her best since 1990). And her last albums (in particular Madame X) have had fantastic critical acclaim. The fact is her relevance commercially started to decline after she hit 50 and there are many factors in that including an ageist industry that doesn't want to support women over 40 (she did remarkably well bucking that trend actually). There's also a lot of competition now for female artists but most crucially she doesn't need to be competing with any of the younger artists. She is in her own lane occupied by no one else, the only other female artists who come close to being contemporaries are Cher, Streisand and Mariah and even they don't still have the same level of buzz as Madonna. It doesn't matter if she never does another album or has another #1, she's Madonna. Being relevant in terms of sales is not the only marker of being relevant.

[@raarnoldra]

I absolutely hated Rebel Heart. I do feel Madame X was a big step forward in the right direction, even though I dont particularly like the album. I am hoping the dvd of the tour is released.

[@Merdicano]

@@raarnoldra I definitely wouldn't say I hate it, but really disliked it, good point on Madame X

[@simmy1251]

einsof it’s sad that the last time she truly had a grip on pop culture was with confessions on the dance floor.

[@AM-js8fv]

I went to a concert of hers, took ten minutes to sold out and I NEVER seen any ad promoting it. they may want to put her down but she doesnt even need to promote herself to sell a record or a tour.

[@Samdemaeyer]

Indeed

[@fjvbfjvb]

In large part pure sexism. Nobody’s telling Paul McCartney, Elton John or Mick Jagger to retire, and they are much older

[@alexanderthegreat7213]

perhaps because they are genuinely talented, and though as a madonna stan you believe madonna is too, thats just cause your blinded by your love for her, she's not. If Madonna was genuinly a good songwriter her albums would stay on the charts for way longer than a week or 2 because the general puvlic would be buying it, not just the fans. The fact is Madonna doesn't appeal to the general public, not cause of her age but simply cause her songs just aren't very good anymore. I'm speaking from my own experiences too. I used to love her up until music, and then ugh i kept trying but no, i just couldn;t get into her music anymore. It's just not that great. Fans love her because of her lyrics, they love HER so much that whatever she has to say, the fans go wild if it's really personal. To a wider audience its the actual melodies that has to be catchy, if you're not a fan of the artist per se, then you're looking for a catchy tune, and she writes dreary, unmusical songs, because instead of working with actual song writers she works with djs,being more interested in style than substance. That sums her up.

[@AM-js8fv]

@@alexanderthegreat7213 Madonna is the only talented here

[@pizzabinge]

No, but they put out more songs with hooks, catchy and soulful lyrics, that aren't autotuned to the point of robotism. They don't need to flash a bollock to get publicity. Their output is of a consistent quality. The same cannot be said for madonna. I love her too but sexism my ass.

[@QueenScarletStarlet]

yeah but i literally had no idea any of these dudes were still doing anything... like you dont hear anything about them anymore. this is kinda apples to oranges

[@AM-js8fv]

@@pizzabinge those men do boring music for grandpa's and Madonna does experiment music and fresh sounds which I thank Madonna for. Tame impala Sounds robotic, same Britney, Daft Punk, Billie Eilish but only Madonna's dick seems to be thicker and hurt everybody's ass.

[@knoxia]

Before Madame X came out she specifically mentioned that this record wasn't going to be a focus on commercial success but a focus on her creativity and i think it did wonderfully.

[@chazofalsa]

I think with Rebel Heart and Madame X she just stopped focusing on commercial success and rather just have fun with it. That's not to say MDNA and Hard Candy were bad albums, in fact they're my personal favorites. Though the reason why the former didn't do so well was that EDM pop was already a trend by 2012, if she had released it one or two years earlier it'd been a success. But Hard Candy felt like she was following the JT/Timbaland trend but also just having fun with it amd doing what she wanted with it just like Rebel Heart and Madame X.

[@jonathanguzmanvazquez8916]

@@chazofalsa I feel she still made an effort for Rebel Heart since for me, it has some of the best songs she has ever recorded but for Madame X what you say was so clear, she really gave af and right now I feel she is just having fun with everything she does.

[@Madonna_QueenOfPop]

@@chazofalsa she definitely ate while making MDNA, Hard candy and Rebel Heart. Highly underrated albums

[@DixyChickens]

Madame X went number one in several countries worldwide. Her tour demand peaked in her 50s. And still selling out crazy. How is this the beginning of the end LOL.

[@MusicTlse31]

Ageism was the key word, Rebel Heart and Madame X are amazing albums to me.

[@jonathanguzmanvazquez8916]

For me too, Rebel Heart is a mainstream album tbh

[@hazenguy1]

Rebel heart is great, I listened.to madam x last night...its a good album at its core...however ,madonna is the last of her kind. The artists that had a brand and a record company and a contract. I think the fact these records were mainly internet based and not hard "albums" of the mtv generation...stymied her. However, she is brilliant,her music is brilliant, and she is the last of her kind. Always will love Madonna.

[@benjiloft8636]

Yesss but remove “to me” at least for Madame x, it’s objectively and conceptually amazing

[@MusicTlse31]

@@benjiloft8636 you’re right ! If some don’t think so it’s because they didn’t give those albums a chance. They’re amazing !

[@secrets.295]

Ok I dont get her new music. To me Madonna is too old to win new audiences. The younger generations are not gonna turn their attention to her. What she needs to do is to write music reflective to her 80s, 90s worj and try to win back the heart of her old fans. Shes never gonna gained new fans, and as of right now with this new urban material. Shes losing her existing fanbase. She needs to go back to basic and write pure pop records and regain her fanbase.

[@gageboyadvanceSP]

It’s crazy how she’s had a radio hit during every decade since the 80s

[@grazmsp2473]

And now with the Frozen remix

[@Madonna_QueenOfPop]

@@grazmsp2473 and her album 'Finally Enough Love: 50 Number Ones'

[@noneofurbuzness]

She ruled the 80s 90s AND 2000s, she doesn't need to prove herself. Yall need to thank her for Creating your favs

[@Dalasjanetluv]

Madone M no she didn’t

[@AlexeBriand2002]

lucion del mar tf, yes she did. she was everywhere in those three decades

[@venoOMG32]

Preach

[@Merdicano]

Yep, and honestly, I would prefer her over any of those new artists anyday

[@ilovethis00]

At least Ariana Grande always gives the credit that is due to her! One more thing that makes me love her too.

[@martincanga6238]

This woman changed music so sad ppl disscredit her

[@Elena-er7zp]

mc star well she needs to stop while she is ahesd

[@scottchambers7927]

She’s in a public profession... people will dissect her

[@prophetmadonna3744]

well they have been discrediting her since 1985..... this is not a shocker. Their whining only validates her eternal relevance.

[@8r3n69]

Career wise she shouldn’t even still be topic of discussion. That’s her talent and power. She stays relevant even when people are discussing her irrelevancy , if that makes sense. Her career has never been done before. A woman pop star should not still be gossiped about or even touring. It’s a level the world has never seen and will def imitate.

[@lavenderbee3611]

I guess women aren't allowed to become elder statesmen like the guys who are worshiped after 40+ years in the business. She is still trying to grow & change. When was the last time the Rolling Stones had a successful album or single? I was never an uber Madonna fan, but find it quite sickening they way she's been treated of late. I don't care too much about the controversies, but don't disrespect the fans and show up 2 hours late for a concert. That's never OK.

[@RomansR2]

She doesn't NEED to do anything. She's a trendsetter, she rewrote the rules a hundred times. So people say she should switch to doing ballads because she's over 60 now - they said that when she was over 30, and then again when she was over 40. People say that kind of thing to Pink who is 2 decades younger! The only thing Miss Madonna needs to do is make sure her health is on point, physical and mental too, and not surround herself with people who will not take care of that.

[@guillermo4687]

I think, with this last album, she followed trends, not set ones. I think her body is telling her to stop. She has nothing to prove because as evidenced, her creativity is hitting a wall.

[@FerBaide]

Guillermo Lira where did she follow any trend with the exception of the two reggaeton songs? This album is pretty experimental and daring and most of it is nothing like what’s on the charts.

[@Dalasjanetluv]

She needs to be able to sing to do ballads

[@stealthis]

@@guillermo4687 Maybe she just really likes to perform then. Everything doesn't have to be revolutionary for it to be good (Disney channel shows say hi).

[@gabrielcolombani1]

Blu.Romans well said

[@rickardsamuelsson7753]

The day when Madonna aint around anymore, I will just feel empty. I grew up with her music. She was a big help for me in my teens and she even helped me loose almost 30 kg. She gave me confidence. I cant imagine her being gone at the end, I really cant, but we all must go there I guess. But somehow we watch these legends as immortal. Each time a legend passes, it gets more real that all are equal no matter how we lived our lives.

[@Madonna_QueenOfPop]

I fully agree, although, I feel like pop music decline when Madonna is not being mainstream enough as before. Madonna always makes Pop culture and Pop music interesting and entertaining with her presence.

[@Williamdavid-rl9bf]

She is having her 50th number one dance hit starting this week on the chart . I think she's doing fine .

[@olrakkenafets]

To answer the question: This isn't and will never be the end of Madonna. She is an icon, no matter her age.

[@magicslave3066]

If i was god there were be 50 madonna albums amd she would be immortal

[@kingc1468]

Legend*

[@newbiechu7024]

Agree. No scandal can erase her legacy now. She will always be a permanent fixture in the music history.

[@bc5163]

Have you ever considered Madonna might want to choose to take a long break? She signed a three album contract more than a decade ago (MDNA, Rebel Heart and Madame X) and a three tour deal with Live Nation (the three corresponding tours for those three albums). When her Madame X tour ends next month, all her contractual obligations will be fulfilled. She could choose to pursue another one. Although im surprised she hasn't done that already. She began her Interscope contract when she hadnt finished her Warners one yet. Which makes me suspect Madonna might actually take a long break by choice after the Madame X tour ends. She'll probably release a Madame X tour on DVD in late 2020 (it was filmed in Lisbon). Then go quiet after that. Perhaps we'll see a Greatest Hits tour eventually though but not after a hiatus. That's what I sense. We'll see what happens. PS - if you disagree, do you have any news on her working on a new album contract? Or any news whatsoever on her post-Madame X era? Would love to be updated on anything I've missed

[@olrakkenafets]

@@bc5163 I am aware that she is human and that she needs a break sometimes. However, Madonna would go against herself if she was to stop with music and touring. She said long ago that she will never be one of those artists that announce they're retiring and just quit. She won't stop haha. Madame X really reminds me of her American Life era; political and not everyone can adjust to that. My predictions are, that once the Madame X era is over we are going to get a Confessions Pt.2 era, like we did after the American Life era. I'm not saying that she will be disco again, because she never repeats herself. When I say "Confessions Pt. 2" era I mean the crazy amount of sucsess that will come with it. I think that jazz rnb music could be her next big thing, that would really suit her because she sang really good jazz accapela on the jimmy fallon show...

[@ohnoitsthecatman738]

Shes an amazing woman, I remember being a 12 year old gay boy in the suburbs of Brisbane in 1988 (just before Like a Prayer came out) and considering my options in my deeply religious family. Do I come out? Do I become a woman (I have never been trans but at one point growing up having a sex change seemed a viable option to keep my family) or should I run away and find a better life? I vaguely knew of a world where people like me existed and lived happily and freely but how would i find "the gays". It took me another 2 years, Like a Prayer came out with its message about people living with hiv needing love and acceptance. That people living with hiv could be hugged, held and kissed and no harm would come to the person doing the hugging and kissing. This message was GROUNDBREAKING for the time and for a MAJOR artist to put it in the album cover notes of the album that litteraly changed critic perspective of her from pop princess to major artist, the female equivelant of Michael Jackson and Prince. Madonna gave me someone to look up to, she let me know that it was ok to be me, she let me know that there were other people like me out there, all i had to do was take the steps to find them. While I'm no longer a rabid fan, I will never forget what Madonna did for me, she gave me hope when there was none to be had. She told me of a home that i would find later. She told me i could be anything i wanted to be and most of all she told me I wasnt sick, i wasnt a wierdo or a pervert, she let me know that i was lovable, that i was not dirty. Madonna is AMAZING, girls and gay boys owe her so much for the freedoms we take for granted today and most dont even know it. It really doesnt matter how many records she sells, does anyone care how many records Joni Mitchell, Patty Smith or Deborah Harry sell? Not really because it doesnt matter, its just nice when they drop 12 songs for us to listen to, its just nice to be in their company for 2 hours when they tour. I love you Madonna, thank you for letting me know that I did have the strength inside me to go on, that taking my life would just be giving validation to every asshole whos ever punched, kicked or spat on me. You are a gift 😎💕💞🌈😙💕

[@paulanthonyhoeflich8988]

Preach. We are survivors !!!!

[@kalettavio]

You are a brave Soul Cameron.

[@princewhite71]

Love your message, Brother ... 1000% agree with all of that

[@ohnoitsthecatman738]

@@princewhite71 Thank you, we cant let her be erased from our cultural memory and sadly, its happening. Unfortunately i think we are loosing the attributes of queer culture that made us unique in exchange foe acceptance and i dont think that the exchange is a fair swap. Think of what each of us has been through individually, then as a community and in exchange they agree not to harm or degrade us? What will be the point of Pride Parades when we no longer remember what we're marching for. I met a young guy recently who had no idea he was participating in a demonstration. To this day shit still goes on, i was pushed & bullied out of a decade long career with the state government , my manager spread a rumour that i was dying of AIDS and it got back to my income protection insurance provider. I had applied under mental health because i have Bipolar but she knowingly lied about me. I lodged a complaint but they protected her. When i made a freedom of information request my request was declined based on the criteria 'the i formation contained within could cause embarrassment to the government". This shit-show wouldnt have happened to a straight man, straight woman, lesbian, only gay men and possibly trans people.

[@julianderrico8132]

You missed out a lot of points. Ageism is the main reason of her "decline". Compared to her peers like Cher, Mariah, Janet or Barbra she's still the most relevant. The fact that she's getting #1 albums and sold out tours in the 4th decade of her career is huge. BBC radio from the UK was exposed for ageism as they didn't want to play Living For Love even tho it was getting airplay. It is known that radios won't play songs from artists older than 40 but its just the way industry works. After American Life she was banned from radios in the USA, that explains why Hung Up was #1 EVERYWHERE but in the US lol. Also, the autotune critics are so tiring, countless rappers and singers use autotune and no one seems to have a problem with it but when Madonna does it it's wrong, these double standards need to end

[@Gabe-z8o]

Um out of Mariah, Madonna, celine and Cher latest albums, Chers has sold the most. Cher is 73 and in her 6th decade in the biz and is still selling out arenas on a world tour and had a number one movie in 2018. Cher is def the most relevant of the legacy artists

[@TaylorDDavis97]

I'm a huge fan of Madonna but saying ageism is the reason her music is irrelevant now is laughable. Her voice, attitude and lack of engagement are the reasons why no one cares about her projects anymore.

[@naurking5388]

@@Gabe-z8o Cher latest albums is boosted by the Mamma Mia movie, which is extremely popular. Plus it's filled with Abba covers. What about her last album before Dancing Queen? I know how it did, let's not. And Madonna is the biggest touring artist. Madonna was always bigger than Cher.

[@DanMusicForever]

@@TaylorDDavis97 Watch the Madame X show and you'd realise your opinion is void.

[@FerBaide]

Taylor Davis could you please name an artist over 50 who’s topping the charts and being played on radio? Exactly, none. After a certain age people just don’t care for artists anymore and move on to the next young thing.

[@randellyancey557]

Rebel Heart was phenomenal. Very underrated.

[@eduardochavacano]

if you think something is under rated, keep it to yourself. Because no is going to tell you this, but it makes you sound like you are 12. You are hot though, so I’ll be nice. Its against my religion to get shady on anyone hot.

[@jtrover]

@Randell Yancey For the record, I agree whole heartedly. And your comment is completely acceptable btw, after all, this is the comment section and that's literally what it's for. 😏

[@jonmills5097]

@Randell Yancey totally agree such an underrated album and singles ghost town was amazing and the video was so good

[@prophetmadonna3744]

jt rover You just think he is hot. His is so wrong. But i cant talk when my mouth is full.

[@prophetmadonna3744]

Jon mills She wrote none of the songs in that album. And Living for Love is her most Reductive Single ever. If you care to enlightened about this biblical truth, refer to my video and help spread that gospel that identifies her most Reductive attempt.

[@Yadayadayada95]

I’d love to see her do an album like Bedtime Stories again, her deep voice is so good, without all the autotune or vocoder effects.

[@SonyaMei2]

Come on man, there is something outside America! She's still huge in the world.

[@52andattitude48]

Sonya May He didn’t say she wasn’t? Just that she’s on a career decline (again)

[@MyMpc1]

Well which country outside of America is she still successful in? Not the UK. Not Germany. US, UK and Germany are the biggest record buying countries in the world. If you don't sell music in these places, you will never be big - and she isn't selling well in these places. I mean, in the UK, she hasn't had a top 10 hit for about 12 years!

[@MyMpc1]

@2 MD What information do you have to inform you that 'everybody knows about her last year album'? It seems the opposite is true - very few people knew about her last album.

[@SonyaMei2]

@@MyMpc1 Very few? lol don't make a fool of yourself

[@MyMpc1]

@@SonyaMei2 What's your proof? Oh, yeah, that's right, YOU HAVE NONE.

[@cgomez1104]

I agree with you. She has nothing to prove. She’s Madonna.

[@callmej5337]

I wish a movie about her would be made. A Madonna's "Bohemian Rhapsody" would trend her name to promote her past albums and the next one.

[@AlexeBriand2002]

Miss Coco or a jukebox musical about her! that would be great

[@adamwenham3]

That's a good idea. But I bet they will wait until she has passed away so they can profit without her

[@AlexeBriand2002]

Ramon Rocha Truth or Dare was a real documentary on the Blond Ambition tour… Bohemian Rhapsody is acted

[@Merdicano]

Nope, not a chance whatsover, and get some cheap-ass imitation of her?, right

[@bc5163]

Probably after she passes. And decades after I should add. How long did it take to get a Judy Garland movie for example

[@Perrvale]

People way too easily 'dismiss' her talent. She's an icon, she's that once in a lifetime human & we, living in the same time as she is. are so lucky to for this. Love her or hate her, imagine the world without Madonna, it would be so boring. Sadly though, once she's gone she will get the respect she deserves.

[@Merdicano]

Boring?, it would be a world without any good semblance of decent enough music, and it would mark the literal end of an era that started with her, Michael Jackson, Prince, Whitney Houston, David Bowie, and such

[@myfriendisaac]

She’s consistently releasing new material & still challenging herself at 60+ 👏🏾🔥💯 She’s far from “the end” my friend!

[@zoomzoom103]

3:41 what pop girls do when they try something new Katy: shoes! Gaga: makeup! Rihanna: makeup and lingerie! Madonna: fitness center We-😂

[@victorzuniga7542]

She's the Master of a hice part of this puppys She's a institution , and i'm a Little Monster bby

[@aamyko]

Madonna is an icon & she really doesn’t need to do shit in order to “stay” relevant cos she will always BE relevant no matter what she does. Madonna is in a league of her own.

[@sashabertold3731]

Yes that is so true but I really want her to have huge number #1 again in the charts....

[@jackanthony976]

I agree. I buy a record because I like it..not because it is "relevant." Who cares if it is "relevant?" Relevant to what?" I like a song, I buy it. Case closed.

[@gingergrkovic5519]

not icon she became joke. One BIG joke

[@bc5163]

Nice pun. I loved her in the movie "A League of Their Own" and the movie's song "This Used To Be My Playground"

[@jackanthony976]

@@sashabertold3731 A number 1 record doesn't mean all that much anymore. Nobody buys records anymore..everything is streamed and bootlegged.

[@thangvicouture89]

She can fail and still be on top. That’s the magic of Madonna. No one would be where they are if it wasn’t for her and Michael Jackson.

[@prophetmadonna3744]

nothing fails for the woman who ruled the universe for 4 decades. If she comes to ASIA next year, people will pay 10 times the rate paris and london pays.

[@maydon4444]

hahhahahahaahahhahahahhhahahahahaa

[@hamiltonfortuna]

THANG VI I would also add Janet Jackson to it since a lot of great performers followed her footsteps.

[@prophetmadonna3744]

hfb921 Britney was clearly a Janet fan. But she just had to kiss Madonna’s ass. Because Madonna has a giant fan base. She may respect Madonna. But she is too Janet, which is why her career was as short as janet’s nose.

[@hamiltonfortuna]

Prophet Madonna Britney was always a Madonna fan, she said it herself, and Madonna was clearly a fan of Britney as well (2003 VMA, Me Against the Music, Sticky & Sweet Tour...) you can tell she was influenced but the style of Britney leans more towards Janet although she made it very unique. Also, working with Brian Freedman for so long the influence was obviously there. I also heavily disagree Britney’s career is short, she’s been active since late 90’s; Janet and Madonna have been active for four decades and still relevant, anyways is my point of view. None of them are over.

[@gobregon2011]

Madonna is more relevant now that Coronavirus proves Madame X is a true reflection of the world we are living in. Madonna will never "end"

[@amboy7279]

Well Madonna already “declined and was deemed irrelevant” when Erotica and SEX book came out. What year are we in now?

[@ehaught9722]

The reality is she’s a legend and she’s getting older. She’s getting tired and keeps injuring herself and at this point she’s just doing touring for fun.

[@brianc4295]

I personally loved Rebel Heart, especially the title track, Ghosttown, Devils Pray, Living For Love and more! But I think it was not for the locals per se lol! Also, the leaks didn’t help it’s charting and everything of course!

[@brianc4295]

DJ Trevi yeah I totally agree! I think there was a vague theme with Rebel Heart but I agree it felt like it wasn’t super cohesive

[@craig9563]

I agree. I love the Rebel Heart album, esp Ghosttown, Rebel Heart and the bonus tracks "Borrowed Time" and "Beautiful Scars" on the Super Delux Edition.

[@nightsultana7253]

Ghost town deserved so much I literally shed a tear when I heard it

[@Gabe-z8o]

Rebel heart was amazing ❤

[@JosephCyrus]

Rebel heart was amazing! i wish it would have never leaked & the original Demos were Mastered those were amazing! after that the tracklist was kinda just thrown together and the real mastered werent that good.

[@SULLENBOY2007]

lol “mdna” might have been the beginning of that “decline.” but also keep in mind ageism and poor rollouts are to blame than the stan “relevance” argument.

[@brianc4295]

I think Hard Candy and MDNA were a decline, so I agree! But I personally think Rebel Heart was an improvement and Madame X was a bit of a misstep if that makes any sense lol!

[@santiagoarangocaro7208]

@@brianc4295 madame x is better than RH

[@brianc4295]

Santiago Arango Caro I haven’t really listened to Madame X as much as Rebel Heart but maybe if I listened more I would enjoy it! I just really like RH

[@vincentruvo6988]

I agree with you. MDNA was the beginning of the decline. MDNA and Rebel Heart are my least favorite Madonna albums. Madame X was an improvement but I wouldnt put it in my top 5 either!

[@Chelaxim]

I thought American Life was the decline.

[@hanyabed9367]

Madonna is an icon. She has taken her craft to a greater personal level, especially with the last 2 albums. The radio stopped playing because of ageism and sexism. This was explicitly said by a major British radio station. Rebel Heart was one of her best albums.

[@Madonna_QueenOfPop]

MDNA and Hard Candy are iconic

[@pinkopat]

MDNA actually did well in European charts, we definitely had three or four charting singles, they were inescapable in 2012/2013

[@igorlisboasouza]

Sorry, but I dispute the idea that Madame X was met with positive to mixed reviews. It was her best reviewed album since Confessions of a Dancefloor. And I also think it's injust not to point the big role that ageism has in this "decline", it's not like Madonna is the only woman over 50 to experience a "decline", Mariah is lucky (not trying to tear her down or anything, love Mimi) to have a transcendent song like "All I Want for Xmas is U" that became part of the xmas celebration, but other than that, she's suffering the same fate as Madonna, same with Cher, Janet Jackson, Kylie Minogue and so many other veterans. There is a real discussion to be had about the punishment the music industry applies on Women just for aging!

[@craig9563]

Agree. This video focusses so much on what Madonna herself has or hasn't done/ what controversy might have occurred, when the elephant in the room is the inherent ageism for women in the entertainment industry.

[@delusionsofgrandeur1330]

LoL calm down

[@igorlisboasouza]

@DA BIG D I really don't want to turn this into a stan fight cause i don't think it's helpful anyway and also i have nothing against ohter female artists, that being said, one could argue that being 50/over 50 in the 90's is totally diferent than being 50/over 50 in recent years, Tina didn't have to deal with streaming service or radio banning her songs. At the same time, one could also argue that at that time it was already possible to have a discussion about the music industry negletting older women, cause Tina Turner was 53 when she scored her final top 10 hit (1993's I Don't Wanna Fight). After that she was unable to crack a top 80 song or chart at all. Just for some context, Tina Turner released her first solo album in her mid-30's and she had her finest peak when she was in her mid-40's with Private Dancer.

[@alexd1121]

Igor Lisboa well said!!!

[@alexd1121]

DA BIG D Explained by the fact that Tina was never about her looks! Those other gals relied heavily on sexuality and looks which unfortunately FADE. M is giving off full revolutionary mode since RH. At her sales peak she was always a physical breezy knockout. She lost that appeal since HC and the failed face lift and traded her super charismatic eyes for angry revolutionary ones which most definitely isn’t as federating. People are fools for image. Ask Marylin and Kim K.

[@jbouma93]

I believe the 'aggressive' tone of MDNA also has to do with events in her personal life, such as her divorce from Guy Ritchie. I personally think she did a wonderful job at translating those painful experiences into that album, which makes it my favorite of hers of the 2010s, despite it being sonically less inventive for its time.

[@Madonna_QueenOfPop]

MDNA is an underrated album, not many people understand the art

[@javierestrada7736]

As a huge fan, it's sad to see this happening, but it's only logical. And although she has nothing to prove anymore, I think she still has the talent and can count on the right producers to do something really cool and atract people, more than her loyal fans. Madame X has some gems in it and Rebel Heart was a pretty solid and good album; I loved it. And at this point we don't care about the charts. We just want the music and new stuff when she decides to release them. Many thanks for the analysis. Liked it.

[@allencall6572]

Madame X is an incredible record, probably her most interesting one since Confessions on a Dance Floor.

[@Thisguysimon]

After 4 decades she’s still making music BECAUSE she wants to. It’s says a lot about her passion.

[@xheisin]

Madonna is the bestselling female artist of all time, only one that has sold over 300m records worldwide. Sweetie she’s good.

[@brianhowes8046]

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[@xheisin]

Brian Howes she’s the best selling female artist of all time, not overall. Overall is the Beatles

[@AM-js8fv]

@@xheisin and the beatles totally declined within 8 years.

[@xheisin]

A M the Beatles = bestselling artist of all time. 600m records worldwide

[@AM-js8fv]

@@xheisin Bitch, 1.- Beatles were group not solo artist. 2.- I know they're top selling. 3.- They created 8 years and then fucked up.

[@jacksonatic]

To answer your question (video title).. I'd say NO. The media tried to end her career since Erotica. 28 years later, Erotica is legendary & very influential to all these latest music that we hear today. I was a weirdo to discovered Madonna during her declining era (94-95) & kids in my school made fun of me liking an older artist like her, because Mariah Carey & mushy R&B ballads was all the rage at that time (which I'm glad the 90s are over lol). At the end of the day, it's Madonna who got the last laugh because her music survives the passage of time & still sounds modern & unique.

[@NotJoegoldberg]

im curious, did ppl get made fun of for liking mj too?

[@jacksonatic]

Yes, liking MJ during the 2000s was damning. He was a joke punchline at every corner in movies, music, during those times. I'm still cannot get over the level of hypocrisy of people rushing to buy his stuff just after he died.

[@NotJoegoldberg]

@@jacksonatic wow, thats sad :(( Maybe it was only like that in the west, cuz in my country he was and still is massively loved and people still imitate him to this day, he was very positively received and not a lot of ppl know about his allegations. Madonna was loved too, maybe not as much as mj, but both mike and madonna are the biggest 'western' singers here, even more so popular than the singers we have today.

[@LandelRey]

Lol yeah. I just discovered Ray of Light last year, and everyone made fun of me for liking an album from 22 (almost 23) years ago. Then I played the title track, and a lot of my friends started commenting on how it sounded a lot like hyperpop. It got me thinking: Madonna was ahead of the game by two whole decades.

[@daydream1291]

? Don’t try to discredit Mariah Carey

[@naurking5388]

Sorry she declines after being successful for 3 and a half decades while everyone starts declines after their first release. But of course, she's Madonna and we have to overanalyze everything and criticize her even more than we would probably criticize anyone else, for unknown reasons. Almost everyone declined into the first 10 years of their career but Madonna declining after 30 years is your problem. Inform when any other pop star had many peaks of success as Madonna, with 3 different releases and new music.

[@Merdicano]

Answer?, no one, like really no one has had the same level of success as her, not even Gaga (I'm sorry, I only just look at how I see it) whom only have had at least one decade of career and have been praised out loud, I just really think that she shouldn't stop making music, but rather readjust herself so it doesn't get hard for her, just thinking of that

[@Merdicano]

@@ahmedgammoudi229 I'll give it time

[@naurking5388]

@Aaron Glover There's not a decline when cultural impact replaces the sales, Erotica had huge impact in newest artists x, that's called success too hun, and a greater one x. After Erotica her sales started rising again and she got more #1s and hits, that shows the theme of the album was the GP problem x. The title alone looks hateful, Madonna will never be over, she has a huge, rich discography that will make her name immortal.

[@naurking5388]

@Aaron Glover And the video looks like a hate video in few times, they mention irrelevant things Madonna never said. Madame X wasn't supposed to be a commercial success.

[@johnelliotmarcaida9757]

@Aaron Glover she didnt really decline in 2k she has hits namely Music, Hungup and 4 mins.

[@byazrov]

Great review. Although most important point was missed. Is that the decline of her career is not a failure. It is a natural development of life. Madonna achieved everything, she's been on the highest top of showbiz, she many many times proved she was the best of them all and now 40 years later she's gradually slowing down, like everything else in the world. So people must know this - her phenomenal career hasn't failed, it is just ending naturally.

[@dtnuh]

Well said. I feel that many of her diehard fans refuse to believe this logic.

[@michaellink7448]

MDNA, Rebel Heart, and Madame X were all great albums to me. I don't see Madonna not creating another album soon, and I don't believe that Madame X will be Madonna's end in her career.

[@Madonna_QueenOfPop]

Hard Candy was also iconic

[@michaellink7448]

@@Madonna_QueenOfPop Yes it is. And I love your channel name btw lol

[@Kevin-rg3yc]

I think she’s not on where she used to be she that’s ok unlike a lot of pop stars she never peaked too soon she kept climbing and I think the part is the music industry. To me madame X one of the best albums of 2019 and I feel it will grow into cult classic status along with rebel heart

[@naurking5388]

she peaked multiple times. In 1986, in 1990, in 1998-2000, you could count 2006 too cause Hung Up was EVERYWHERE

[@Kevin-rg3yc]

@@naurking5388 I mean that's true buy I meant as in to the point she peaked so high she couldn't come back to commercial success I feel the erotica situation was more of overexposure and the album/promotions/videos being ahead of their time

[@AM-js8fv]

Madame X was the only album in 2019

[@wilfredoanunezpacheco5367]

‘Sorry’ should have peaked higher, at least Top 10 or more like in other countries, but at the time radio stations changed their policy and her record label didn’t obliged so the song didn’t get many radio plays. The song still slaps tho! 👋🏻

[@ColinsCity]

Sorry is very special to me because it was released so close to my birthday by the time the CD single was released it was my birthday, and this song was played everywhere just like Hung Up, america gave up on madonna a long time ago, they couldn't handle her political views but couldn't dixie chick her

[@isidroguevara4120]

Nothing Fails and Sorry sound like classics! They deserved better!

[@gopies1456]

Wilfredo A Nunez Pacheco Sorry was a top 5 hit world wide except the states. It was no.1 on the world united chart. Imo the most important chart in the world. Madonna has had 22 no.1 hits and 47 top 10 hits

[@ilythiaAO]

I still listen to COADF and it still feels fresh

[@Merdicano]

@@ilythiaAO Same, that album was my childhood and introduction to her coming from a 2000s kid, so good

[@bdiaz6081]

Just when you count her out is usually when she ends up back on top.

[@sachaconcerts8953]

BDiaz she wil always be on top Maybe not for al the locals but belive me al the artists in this world look up to Madonna or use her as inspiration

[@ReubenWalton]

Sacha K what do you mean the locals?

[@sachaconcerts8953]

Reuben Walton people that jump from artist to artist that only lissent to basic hit songs and only look up for madonnas name when something bad like Eurovision happens. But the people who understand music and don't look after big hit songs and actualy know their history wil always look up to Madonna as the queen and an icon who changed history

[@sashabertold3731]

True!!

[@jacksonatic]

So true!! She's been labeled a 'decline/has been' since her early 30s. The naysayers always wrong lol

[@BlueSix100]

People have been questioning Madonna’s talent, success and longevity since she first exploded onto the music scene in the 80s. She is a pioneer and has arguably had more reincarnations and successes throughout her career than most. She is the biggest selling female artist in history. She is the highest grossing solo female touring artist in history. She has achieved heights that others can only dream of and aspire towards. She truly has nothing to prove now because she has achieved it all. Despite her last three albums not achieving any massive success (aside from 2 of them reaching #1 on the Billboard charts) these are far superior in quality and artistry compared to the majority of music being released today - you only need to read the majority of reviews by critics for her last three albums to see this. To focus so much on the superficiality of sales is to completely overlook what Madonna has and always will be about - QUALITY!

[@etude79]

I’m a Madonna fan but all good things must come to an end... her relevance ended with 2012’s MDNA album and it’s been downhill from there. 2008’s Hard Candy was the last album she made that made a dent.

[@criticalhard]

If she's irrelevant how she still sells tickets for her shows? No other 80s icon can do that anymore just her.

[@mdnamanolo9167]

YOU'RE WRONG!!!!! This can't change

[@charlieedwards4331]

Honestly Madonna has made her mark on the music industry to the point where she can literally retire.

[@ciaarcenico]

But she doesn't and she won't, thank God!

[@magicslave3066]

@@ciaarcenico if i was god she would have 50 al bums

[@izoilica2516]

Charlie Edwards if she wanted too

[@criticalhard]

Others from her era already retired after 1 or 2 nice sings. She's had impact for decades if she wants to retire it would be fair to.

[@john.lassiter]

...i cant be the only one who thinks madame x is amazing

[@danielchanis4808]

John Lassiter It is a beautiful work of art that only some people understand, because you have to understand Madame X to enjoy it

[@RoyCoof]

Here here!

[@NikStamps]

I completely love it and am thankful I just saw her on tour! The smaller venue was great.

[@RoyCoof]

@@NikStamps lucky you!!!

[@visualhatefvck]

Ugh the production was awful, how can someone like that.

[@Chelaxim]

She's been doing better than most people who came out in the early 80s.

[@weekhas]

Well. Most of them are dead 😂

[@Chelaxim]

@@weekhas All the dead ones are the ones people thought would have died much later. Take a time machine to 1987 and tell people that Michael Jackson,Prince and Whitney Houston will die from drugs while Axl Rose,Boy George and Nikki Sixx will be clean and sober in 30 years.

[@idonteperfect6943]

@@Chelaxim Axl and the whole band were getting clean by the early 90s right or late 80s isnt that why they fired steven cause he was still using

[@Merdicano]

@@Chelaxim Incredible to believe, and those other guys have been way more exposed to dangers

[@bc5163]

@@weekhas no theyre not. I saw Cyndi, Belinda Carlisle and Kim Wilde on tour not long ago. There's plenty of 80s pop princesses and girl groups still touring and releasing new stuff. But none at the same success rate as Madonna. There's Mariah who is also doing relatively well when considering the span of her career also but she emerged in the 90s not 80s. Celine also. In terms of people older than them though, both Cher and Barbra Streisand are doing pretty well in terms of tours.

[@j2charl1zzz3]

Trust me, Madonna can appeal to a new generation, I'm 15 years old and I love her, even if she makes mistakes, we all do mistakes, we are all humans and we should be respected❤️

[@knockshinnoch1950]

Every artist has a period of great creativity and innovation where their career is hot. Madonna has managed to have several such peaks in her long career. She is now well into her 60s and her fans, loyal as they are, have aged with her. Madge has had an incredible career and is a cultural and musical icon. Time and gravity have finally caught up with her. Young kids want their own musical hero's nit someone who is the same age as their grandma

[@jacksonatic]

Lol true. I’m in my thirties and guess I do like grandma and grandpa singers. But Madonna and Michael Jackson is something else. Always got me mesmerised & joy, just like a Superhero showing his power! Only Madonna & MJ can pull all generations and beyond!!!

[@josephroberson5414]

Rebel Heart was the shit! I wish she had released Joan of Arc as a single.

[@isidroguevara4120]

Yes! I love Joan Of Arc also! Her acoustic tracks are some of her best!

[@tomeville]

Joseph Roberson agreed

[@bbbrucebaker]

Madonna is still serving bops about global liberation in a both humble and theatric way. You don't need a song to chart to impact your life if you let it. Love art.

[@raresg9637]

She had so many successful eras and had her peaks and her moments when no one was as successful as her , u can’t be successful for like 4 decades she doesn’t need to prove anything anymore , she could release albums just caring about the art , she only needs to keep releasing quality albums but charts and peaks doesn’t matter , plus you will find her albums still debut at number 2 or 1 with 100K sales because people who were fans in 1990 are 30-40 years old now they will go and buy the album but they won’t open spotify to stream it, that’s why streams can’t help her

[@Meeoozeek]

MX is an artistic testament unlike any other during the last year, no other artist has the guts to venture that far from their comfort zone and make profound change to their sound as this album. Absolutely well done.

[@pizzabinge]

You're overthinking it. The "controversies" are irrelevant. The quality of her music has always been what it's about. And it has declined. End of. Albums prior to Hard Candy have been released off the back of an epic first-single anthem and had a majority of single-worthy tracks. Ever since she started _chasing_ trends instead of _setting_ them, prioritising luxury cosmetics and film direction over studio time, her music has suffered. (Who here can forget William Orbit's frustrated tweet about MDNA being rushed because her diary was horrendous). Madame X proves she can (and should) still experiment musically, but the album feels unfinished and suffers from some of the shoddiest lyrics since Don't Stop's "feel it in your body, sing lah de dah de!"

[@leonardty660]

She has definitely made her mark on the music industry and has influenced a many of artists of the day. She doesn't have to work as hard but it's what she actually loves to do. She has and is a survivor of the times. Whether she continues on or slow down, her drive for the LOVE of music will always be there.

[@MyMpc1]

Everyone's going on about ageism...Madonna is obsessed with looking younger: plastic surgery, much younger boyfriends, only featuring young artists on her albums, only having young dancers. She is the biggest ageist. She's the victim of her own ageism.

[@MadderCommotion]

she's the victim of ageism, old people can have internalised ageism as well but you can't blame them for it.

[@highland_persuasion]

Creatively, the beginning of the end actually began with Hard Candy. That's when she started chasing trends rather than leading them. That was practically a Justin Timberlake - Pharrell - Timbaland album featuring Madonna. It was successful mostly because she was still riding on the high from Confessions on a Dancefloor and the trendy sound at the time. MDNA was the worst of all - never has she been worse lyrically and sonically. That debuted high mostly thanks to a Superbowl performance and album-ticket bundles. Rebel Heart was a step forward, and Madame X would even be better (perhaps even great if she actually sounded human throughout most of it), but it was obvious the general public just didn't care anymore and mostly saw her as just an old, desperate has-been who refused to dress appropriately. I still enjoy all those albums I have mentioned (albeit I have to be in a very specific mood to listen to the mind-numbing electro thuds of MDNA), but I definitely wouldn't be ranking them among Madonna's best - that's just common sense. And now her current tour is proving to be her most problematic yet. It will be interesting to see what her next move will be after this era.

[@bc5163]

She's Not Me should have been a single. Hard Candy is UNDERRATED

[@bc5163]

I loved MDNA. Girl Gone Wild, Turn Up The Radio, Lovespent, Gang Bang, Im Addicted, Masterpiece

[@bc5163]

Yes Rebel Heart was awesome. Madame X Im only lulewarm about to be honest

[@bc5163]

A desperate has-been? Why shouldn't she make new albums? Even Belinda Carlisle and Cyndi Lauper are

[@bc5163]

Her next move might be nothing. MDNA/Rebel Heart/Madame X were a three album deal with interscope back in 2012 or so. A corresponding three tour deal was made with Live Nation. When she finishes her current tour in March, she will be out of all her contractual obligations and could choose to stop and do nothing. I suspect she'll release the Madame X tour on DVD since it was filmed in Lisbon. But after that I wouldn't be surprised if she disappears for almost a decade and comes back with a greatest hits tour way later on

[@nazmussadat7852]

As madonna said, this industry has taught her, "DO NOT AGE. BECAUSE FOR WOMEN TO AGE IS TO SIN". When she was in her 20s, people cheered up for her controversies, but when she does that same stuff again in her 50s, people act like hypocrites. Ageism is the No.1 issue here, but how she is not giving up and still performing and continuing her career at 62 is pretty phenomenal.

[@Splash-nr8ot]

The good thing for Madonna is, she doesn't have to work. She is in a position to put out what she likes and not be driven by what's trendy or even put out something that might set the trend. She has a loyal fan base and they're always going to back her. She has nothing to prove to anyone, she's been there, done that. Period.

[@japes7]

The muic industry is so weird right now... without a specific sound, that I feel like for anyone it would be hard to have a big album era with lots of hit songs.

[@emmanuelmartinez3072]

Well said, i thought i was the only one who notice it

[@goliathsparrow1082]

Most artists wished they had her decline, which is primarily because of her age. Her latest album is brilliant, the intimate tour is her best (ive heard so far)- shes still showing the way.

[@jacksonatic]

That’s very true about ‘showing the way’. The last Taylor Swift tour were inspired from Madame X Tour.

[@geauxanngibson1485]

Madonna and Janet Jackson have changed the game for female entertainers.

[@bruh_hahaha]

Hard Candy was the beginning of the end. When she ceased to be a trend-setter and became a trend-chaser, it was all downhill from there.

[@ricky3180]

You call Rebel Heart the end?

[@bruh_hahaha]

@@ricky3180 Rebel Heart was already in the end stage of her career. Shame because I really like that album.

[@tashee8772]

A spot-on assessment.

[@jacksonatic]

I like Hard Candy!! All the songs are super damn catchy!! But people commented the music is outdated. I don’t care! Just heard the album today & still loving it!!!

[@angelderek5972]

Honestly I love her last two albums, I think she's evolved

[@michaelvaughn3703]

Lol do you realize how many times this has been said about her? Madame X still hit number 1 if over 60 countries including the USA despite what the nay sayers said.

[@uglykidable]

Michael Vaughn the fact is it’s no 1 only for a week as she gave the album out as ticket bundles. It dropped all the way from no1 to NO 77 the following week & dropped out from the hot 100 entirely. How fast is that ? It’s a HUGE FLOP

[@guyroo9974]

that doesn't change the fact that it was a horrible record.

[@danielchanis4808]

Guyroo 5 According to many critics Madame X is one of her best records of all times, the fact you didn’t understand the record and it’s meaning doesn’t mean is horrible

[@guyroo9974]

DANISUPER 76 there was not a single song on madame x that was compelling. it all was heavily autotuned with messy productions overall. i don't really care what the "critics" have to say, and as for all the reviews I've seen on youtube, they were all mostly moderate to poor.

[@michaelvaughn3703]

uglykidable NOBODY stays at no.1 anymore other than maybe Ari or Taylor Swift. Even with that I feel as though Taylor will begin to find difficulty hitting number 1. Britney can’t even hit number one anymore. It has ZERO to do with the artist. It’s just the way the industry works. Once you peak then that’s it. You can’t peak for forever. It doesn’t work that way. Regardless of how long it hit number one the point is that it still hit number one. She’s still got it and that’s all that matters.

[@jacksonatic]

Oh yeah, Madame X is surprisingly an excellent album! The best since Ray of Light. The production is high-end, the melodies are fresh & the songs are catchy, innovative & powerful.

[@irina1296]

Madonna was ruling 3 decades and had a success in the 4th one. People judge Rebel Heart by fone awful song Bitch I'm Madonna while the whole album was great. Madame X was not supposed to be a commercial success. Madonna made experiments with genres. I'm glad she chose quality. Madame X is one of the greatest albums of 2019. MDNA was mediocre but Rebel Heart & Madame X are fantastic albums.

[@MA-mk9rl]

Rebel heart isn’t a good album... living for love is the only good song. Madame x is her best album since confessions imo

[@irina1296]

@@MA-mk9rl Living for Love is mediocre at best IMHO. Ghosttown, Heartbreak City, Devil Pray, Messiah, Joan of Arc, Inside Out, Rebel Heart are brilliant songs. The unreleased material is even better. I only hate Bitch I'm madonna and Unapologetic Bitch

[@LandelRey]

I actually really like Bitch I'm Madonna. Especially that Nicki Minaj verse

[@criticalhard]

Masterpiece from mdna can be everything but mediocre thp

[@irina1296]

@@criticalhard Masterpiece is an amazing song but it's from her W.E. movie. It doesn't even belong to the MDNA album. I'm glad she added it though

[@johndunham7783]

Madonna is like a Judy or Marilyn she is a true icon in the pop world, she just didn't die. I really doubt there will be another female artist like Madonna.

[@frisky_cat6817]

I love everything Madonna, she’s a trailblazer, she’s sent to Earth to revolutionise music scenes; as a spiritually inclined person, I was made aware that every now and then the Universe sends a soul that helps elevate our consciousness to a higher level. Madonna is one such soul.

[@Dash120z]

She needs to bring back the Confessions sound, that album was one of her best 👏👏

[@AlexeBriand2002]

she did with God Control

[@Chayenswee1]

y'all act like she only released a few albums 😂. she has 14 albums now guys. why is this video even needed? 😂😂😂 it is actually surprising that she still gets recognized in 2010s even though her career started in the 80s!! relax guys

[@IMbirdieful]

This is how i feel about any artist. Regardless of weather they are currently 'topping the industry' or 'getting good reviews' or whatever... Focus on the moments that YOU as an audience member enjoy about their work. No one can take that enjoyment away from you, and no one can undo the amazing things she has already done. If anyone is disappointed in her, it's on them, not Madonna.

[@AM-js8fv]

that's being relevant. Does anyone make videos about Paula Abdul? Not.

[@rowdynagel]

I grew up with Madonna... her music is the soundtrack of my life!

[@TheDancingJack]

Missed the mark with Rebel Heart and Madame X? Are you serious? Both albums were critically lauded as stunning returns to form from a performer who is, quite literally, without peer. Not forgetting that Rebel Heart spawned the highest grossing tour by a female artist ever. At 57 years of age. The beginning of the end? Pah! Madonna's in full flight.

[@rtncg]

I'm answering the question in title the from the future. Her 2023 Celebration Tour sold 600,000 tickets in 1 day.

[@ib6467]

I'm a zoomer but I'm a HUGE madonna fan. I think her decline started with MDNA, not Rebel Heart. Sure, Give Me All Your Luvin was a hit but MDNA is easily her worst album of all time. Just overall really incoherent and uninspired. Rebel Heart was a little bit better, but still uninspired. Despite its commercial failure, Madame X is easily her best album since Hard Candy. I feel like for a long time she's been making music just for the sake of doing it, but now she actually has something she wants to say, which is probably due to the current political climate. All the big pop stars from the 80's passed away. MJ, Whitney, Prince, Bowie... But Madonna is still alive and kicking. We should be thankful that she's still with us, let alone releasing music. She paved the way for so many female singers to come, and she was the first singer to openly support the LGBTQ+ community long before it was considered cool. It's so sad how she gets little to no credit for all that she's done for us.

[@ib6467]

john rossi Nah, it’s not even a comparison. Madame X=Hard Candy>Rebel Heart>MDNA

[@ib6467]

@john rossi I mean, to be fair, Rebel Heart was probably more exciting than Hard Candy, and represents what Madonna's all about much better. With that said, the production on Hard Candy is very good thanks to Timbaland/Pharrell/Timberlake, and the overall tone is much more consistent and coherent. But I understand if you prefer Rebel Heart over Hard Candy. I think it's a matter of taste.

[@ib6467]

​@@nah....6151 Yeah, MDNA was a generic mess... MDNA was the first album that came out since I became a fan of Madonna in 2010 after discovering her on KZbin. I remember getting a physical copy of MDNA when it came out and getting so disappointed. Yeah, most zommers don't listen to Madonna and it's such a shame. I enjoy pop divas of my generation like Gaga and Beyonce too, but only a few of them actually have a point of view, I feel like. Madonna's music deeply resonates with me on a level that nothing else does. Her whole catalog is insanely diverse, versatile and eclectic. Her long career isn't for nothing. She literally has a song for everything.

[@ib6467]

@john rossi Yeah I love Crave too. It's very good indeed. Perhaps her most modern-sounding song.

[@ib6467]

@john rossi The story of Medellin? What do you mean?

[@Jaawsshhh]

As a Madonna fan, it's sad to see her decline. I would love to see her have more and more hits. There are a lot of factors that come to mind to her 'decline'. I think the main one is ageism. Radio does not play her. And if they do, it's only for the first single of a new album or her past hits. It's happening to her, Janet, Britney, Mariah, Celine, Shania, Christina, etc. I think it all started with Hard Candy. I personally saw this as the start of Madonna following trends instead of setting them. She has the right to make the music she wants to make. I'm still going to buy it. JT, Timbaland, and Kanye were all popular at that time. It was a smart move to get those people ngl. MDNA was an angry album in some way. She was going through her divorce and had the hard, angry music to match. Rebel Heart, the leak hurt that album 100%. When those 8 songs leaked, M and her team rushed to revamp the tracks sadly. My only issue with Madame X is the use of autotune and the cohesion of the album. But I did see this as her comeback to her creativeness. She definitely got that back during those 4 years. Her tours for those albums have been nothing but great. Each tour made me appreciate their counter album even more. I hope to see a release for the MX tour. Also, the Tracey Young remix of 'I Rise' won a Grammy last weekend.

[@joaopedroanjos2769]

“Madame X” is pure art. My favorite album of her

[@AdamJMusic23]

I love the M ERA from 2015 to 2020....she Ruled the decade from 1989-1999 had lots of pop fun in the 80s & continued they 4 decades....Greatnesss Achieved & Awarded 👑👑👑

[@missshellybeach]

she’s such a legend in pop music she could easily just do one or 2 singles every so often no matter how it ranks on the charts and every few years just do a greatest hits world tour like Elton did or even Cher

[@xs8372]

Just means her Confessions 2.0 era is coming... wait for it remember her last political album American life was right before confessions.

[@bc5163]

I doubt it. Only because pop is dead generally. All the pop princesses have faded over the last five years. The only surviving ones are Ariana and Taylor, and I predict theyll both also fade over the next five years. Pop is dead. The queen of pop cant have a comeback at a time when pop is dead

[@johnvinoya2435]

B C i also doubt that. Madonna is also known as queen of reinvention. That’s why madame x sounds so different than rebel heart

[@PS1CloudStrife]

B C Pop isn’t dead, it’s just different. Pop is not a passing trend, it is a framework that changes over time.

[@Merdicano]

@@PS1CloudStrife Exactly, and there's many artists from Pop that I do like, although I agree that the "Pop Princess" idea is now fading out

[@Merdicano]

@@bc5163 I've been starting to get into Ariana's music (I take back any criticisms I had on her, she's fantastic as a singer) and I feel like if she handles the songs with as much delicacy and care like how she did on "Yours Truly" and "Dangerous Woman" and less of bringing a dirty girl image, she could definitely keep on standing out, only if she wants to

[@JosiahAmankwah]

Madame X was pretty good. It’s a experimental album. And Pop music overall isn’t just as popular anymore

[@Dalasjanetluv]

Josiah Amankwah no it just sucked

[@Merdicano]

@@Dalasjanetluv It's differences of opinions man, like we don't have to like everything

[@damme91]

She needs to retire her music is so bad now she sounds like any other artist shes lost her own sound

[@Merdicano]

@@damme91 I enormously disagree with that, that's not the solution

[@damme91]

@Freline i have a life because i dont listen to her music unlike you

[@sepsam7655]

Madonna is pushing 60 and still selling more than any of her peers agewise, she is doing amazing. She doesnt need to be topping the charts as she's been there done that. I hope she keeps doing what she's doing.

[@lr3521]

Sep Sam she’s 62 this year

[@cocochansel]

Madonna is The Queen of Pop. All the other's will not be remembered.

[@rao803]

Yes they will. Madonna is an icon but not the only icon

[@patrickcorcoran228]

Madame X is amazing and she is the Queen of Pop unthroned so sorry no end in sight.

[@RyanStorey1231]

I do feel like Madonna's age is starting to catch up with her, judging by how many shows she's had to cancel recently due to health issues.

[@sashabertold3731]

@DA BIG D Yes but Madonna doesn't expire and doesn't age;) She is M a d o n n a

[@sashabertold3731]

@DA BIG D No she's not

[@312348]

She allowed herself to get a little out of shape (for her standards!) while living in Portugal. She said this herself. So by the time tour rehearsals started she was already not at peak condition, and she injured herself before the tour even began. But like a champion, she pushed through the injury as far as she could, and it wasn’t until halfway through the tour that the pain finally caught up to her and she began to cancel shows. And to be fair, she’s 61 and still moving better than most pop stars half her age. I can assure you if Katy Perry, Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift even attempted to go through the motions of the MDNA Tour (which Madonna delivered at age 54), they’d crack every bone in their body and would end up in the emergency room halfway through the show.

[@sashabertold3731]

@@312348 Agree 100%

[@dtnuh]

@@sashabertold3731 come on now, let's be real here. Everyone ages, ever Madge. There's no way of getting around it. If you still don't believe it, just wait it out...you'll see.

[@olrakkenafets]

The only reasons why she may be loosing "punch" is because of young generations, like you and myself, whose parents are not educating about the real musical icons who gave birth to every trash singer on the scene today. They also discredit her for her age.

[@bc5163]

What are the singers out now? They're not very famous. People generations older knew who Britney, Gaga and Taylor etc even if they didn't like them they knew who they were or heard of them. What pop singer that has come out in the last two years or so is a real celebrity? In my opinion, none. A list of one or two hit wonders, not many new legends in the making if there are any. For or better or worse I feel like celebrity culture in the music industry is dying if not already dead. The only ones with big names are the legacy ones that started several years ago. I think the streaming era killed celebrity-dom in music. Now music just kind of pops up on spotify and the song is remembered but not the singer except for already well-established singers like Ariana (her first album was ages ago so I include her as a legacy carry over from the previous era). I think we will not get new music legends. Which is sad. Just a bunch of random monotonous stuff streaming on spotify from one hit wonders streamed to you because digitially it sounds the same to other stuff you previously listened to. A very sad state of affairs

[@payne7473]

Madame X is a bop. I feel like next a confessions style album would make her career liven up again but I'm extremely happy she choose artistic creativity over success in madame X.

[@bookdeannow]

How the hell was Hung up not number one

[@britboyrugby]

Madame X; although not a commercial success will in time be seen as an artistic one. It’s definitely her best album of the 2010s.

[@CarlDillynson]

Mdna was the beginning of the “decline” imo. Not that I dislike her or anything, but the commercial returns started diminishing then.

[@joebush9865]

Nah, Hard Candy was the change and therefor the decline.

[@miloseviczarko45]

Dillyn Agree. Coincidentally after she left Warner Bros., everything started to go downhill for her. Hard Candy was her last album that was really successful.

[@anisioc.3426]

Id say Confessioms on a Dancefloor was actually when she started playing it way too safe, which is a one way ticket to irrelevance. The fact that that album is overrated as hell doesn’t help people in seeing this though.

[@alexanderthegreat7213]

@@anisioc.3426 couldn't agree more, Confessions was so overated. People can't tell the difference between good songs and good production. Well produced shit, that;s all it was.

[@Merdicano]

@@alexanderthegreat7213 Shit is quite a strong word if you ask me, but whatever

[@rdbarne]

I dont look at this as a decline...the fact that she's still talked about and selling out tours speaks for itself.

[@MyGAGL]

Nice analysis, but kind of mediocre, you left out important topics as ageism and her being banned from radio stations after 2003, Madame X was critically acclaimed not “mixed”, you also have to remember that not being successful in USA doesn’t equal not being successful globally, Faz Gostoso was a huge hit in Brazil and her album topped the charts in more than 60 countries...

[@sabrinalord7311]

MyGAGL he is a joke. His sources are Wikipedia lol cringe

[@ikarus1752]

Faz Gostoso não foi, hit, plmdds. Amo Madonna e amei o álbum, mas não foi um hit.

[@ubxtch]

I thought madame X was a really really good album since confessions. Which is so weird because with the singles, I had hated the era. Then when the album dropped it changed everything. I did feel that the auto tune was deliberate this time around tho.

[@maxk9389]

i live in Germany and „living for love“ , „Ghosttown“ and „Medellin“ where hits here and were overplayed on radio. Never say again she becomes irrelevant she will never be.

[@kaminski1205]

Ich bin auch ein deutscher Fan, aber ich habe diese Songs leider nicht im Radio gehört. War bei Madame X und ich glaube, die Live DVD wird nicht gut verkauft werden, da es eben kein Mainstream ist.

[@stephansteinmeyer2748]

@@kaminski1205 Ghosttown war im Radio, aber die anderen beiden hab ich nie gehört

[@kaminski1205]

@@stephansteinmeyer2748 Ich habe Rebel Heart über KZbin gefunden. Kaufe schon lange keine CDs mehr von ihr. Ich habe Crave in der Disco gehört und andere Remixes, aber ich gönne ihr noch eine Nr. 1, die welltweit im Radio gespielt wird. VERDIENT hätte sie es. Vielleicht wird sie auf der 40. Decades Celebration Tour einen Hit herausbringen. Und ich warte dann noch auf ihr Biopic in ihren frühen Jahren. Habe jetzt mal diesen Channel abonniert. Bis dahin...