3 Leader OPTIONS When Fishing POPPERS For BASS

In this video, Pat Kelly at Mad River Outfitters breaks down his three leader setups that he uses to effectively cast poppers when fly fishing for bass.
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[@Madriveroutfitters]

Get out there and catch some bass! Thanks as always for watching and stay tuned 👍

[@jkylel7401]

Perfect. Why can't all tutorial help videos be done this simple. Thanks Pat.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@7686kelly]

Great information,.... thanks for what you guys do for the Sport

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Honored to be of service. Thanks for watching and please stay tuned.

[@adamramerth1409]

Definitely going to start tying my own now! So easy. Great stuff per usual!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching and please stay tuned. Much more coming on this subject.

[@mikedameron602]

have watched a number of times. Tied up a leader per instructions. Made a world of difference!.Thanks. I'm submitting a question in that regard but will submit by email. Thanks again for the video.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching and they'll get your question at the shop.

[@justinmorlock4281]

I heard about tying leaders from your channel quite often. After some research I started to tie my own and my fishing has greatly improved.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Of course. Thanks for being here.

[@bigdee3758]

Just caught my biggest bass so far on my fly rod and it was awesome

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Awesome! Did you send a photo to the shop? They'd love to see it.

[@Dgall78]

Thanks for this.... helpful and timely

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for being here and please stay tuned.

[@phicks42]

Good video! Made me order some Maxima and a blood knot tool from MRO. I'll be throwing flies next week in Erie, PA amd maybe on the Allegheny River

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for the order. We appreciate it.

[@mountaincreekfliesjimmy8386]

Awesome thank you sir for this lesson

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for being here.

[@williamnybakken1486]

Thanks Pat, appreciate the info.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@davedozier6467]

Thanks Pat. Good information.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Appreciate you being here.

[@andykjohnsonjohnson7622]

Nice video Pat 👍🎣

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@vprinceii]

Thank you for making this video. I've been struggling to deer hair frogs and mouse flies. I was using 6x tippet but i didn't know what pound i should use for the bigger flies. Ill try this out i missed out on some really big fish because i was recasting trying to get it to the fish and i end up spooking them.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Glad to help. You now know that you were WAAAAAAYYYY off on that tippet there. 6X is for the tiniest of dry flies. Also watch this and it will help you understand- kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6W7gX2pr8mKb9U

[@farmfishandfreedom2933]

Thanks that was a big help

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Excellent!

[@ronaldfisher5093]

Thanks Pat

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching.

[@alkinceratfafterthefly6284]

I like tying my own leaders. It's part of the experience

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Agreed. Thanks for being here.

[@bobbywillard1515]

Great video - thanks!! Would this same recipe work on a 6wt setup? Or would you lighten up the leader with 6wt? Thanks again for all of the great videos you guys put out there!!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Best to check with the shop on a question like this. Send it over to [e-mail] and they will answer you there. Thanks.

[@masterdevil965]

I had the same question

[@JoeAnton420]

I run 25 lb buttsection on my 6er

[@nkffwebmaster8867]

What are your thought on making leader out of Seaguar Fluorocarbon. I tie my own furled leaders. This is what I have been waiting for. Great video !!!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

NKFF Webmaster Please contact the shop directly and they can help you there. Thanks.

[@charlieboutin3341]

Question: On last leader you tie 0X tippet to 1’ of 12# leader end, is 0X larger than 12#? Most charts I use show 0X around 15#. I tie my own and MRO & Brians videos have really helped me understand the principles. Thank y’all so much for helping us fellow anglers! 🎣

[@Madriveroutfitters]

The X rating has nothing to do with lb test. The X refers to the diameter. Pound test doesn't transfer energy. For sure he would never tie a larger piece onto a smaller piece. Feel free to call Pat at the shop if he can help further. He'd be happy to chat.

[@charlieboutin3341]

Thank you for the reply. You’ve helped me so much with all the information you share. I’ll be in touch.

[@John2Fast11]

Just came across this video, really appreciate the info. I've always fished for bass with traditional gear. As someone who is new to fly fishing for bass, why the need to taper the line down to 15lb, can you not tie the 15lb directly to the fly line?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Physics. A leader must be tapered. Please contact the shop if they can help further.

[@arsenalfan0417]

I think if you buy it tapered you are good. He is just creating his own tapered leader himself by tying those different sizes together to help with weight transference.

[@phillipm3169]

Good info, thank you. Why the AR version of leader and not the bass version from SA? Would the anadrous version also work?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching and please stay tuned.

[@davidperez4230]

For the medium poppers you finish with 2' of 12lb but at the end what type of leader you use to tie the popper? Thanks great video

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send an e-mail over to Pat at the shop and he'll be happy to help. He doesn't come around these parts much. Thanks.

[@lizardwizardreptiles6213]

I wish my ignorant ass had watched this earlier today. I was fishing a snook popper but using it for bass. Long story short, I just did’t have the right leader and tippet. I got broke off on a huge largemouth. I thought it was my knot but then in the middle of the rock out I see my fly floating, that bass spat it out! I waited patiently till the wind blew it back over an hour later. I’m going back after trying my own leader! There’s some giant bass in that pit and I don’t think they’re accustomed to seeing fly presentations. Thanks for this video. It helped so much.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching and happy to help. Stay tuned.

[@ThePorpoisepower]

I used to use blood knots in my custom leaders... but I've been trying double surgeons too... I'm not sure which is better... i've seen a lot of debate online.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Blood knots if bigger than 0X. Surgeons knot if smaller than 0X. Easy answer, no debate here.

[@HondoTrailside]

For the heavy parts blood knots are absolutely better, they are snag free, pretty much. When joining different diameters you will get smother knots in the heavy stuff if you use say 4 turns on the light end, and 3 on the heavy. They will draw up better. These knots are weaker, but it doesn't mater. 30 pounds in a 60 percent knot is still around 20. You can't hardly break that with a billfish rod, unless you screw down the drag and drop the rod so it isn't being used. One never does that to smallies, you would rip their jaw off. You really never need 100% knot for finess fishing like trout, salmon, or bass. Unless you are fishing for records. And even then I wouldn't do it. What you need are knots that are easy to tie, don't kink the line, catch as little weed as possible, etc... On the stream you may need to tie them in low light. I use surgeons knots on the finer tippets because it can be stronger and is easier to tie, and does not kink the fragile stuff. In a heavy butt a surgeon knot will be at an angle.

[@jimterlinden993]

Would you suggest using a tippet ring to attach the last section of the leader?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

No need with poppers but you can if you want. Feel free to call the shop and discuss with Pat personally. He'd be happy to chat.

[@gilcastaneda6732]

So what’s the advantage of either tying your own? Or even using one of those rio or SA leaders as opposed to just using a standard 0x or 1x tapered leader?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Gil Castaneda Many advantages!!! Stay tuned, much more coming on this subject.

[@LIVE4THEADVENTURE]

What do you use when using submergible flies light and heavy when fishing smallmouth bass in shallow clear rivers?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Please send your questions directly to the shop and they will be happy to help. You can e-mail them or call them. That's what they do!

[@SixtyAte]

I hear somebody is writing a book about tying your own leaders, but would love to see how to make leaders for trout

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Stay tuned. Coming soon.

[@mdskater210]

You should explain furled leaders sometime I have no idea

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Taylor Patton kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGmapoSHo6mBprc

[@matthewgeiger9188]

I don’t see these prebuilt leaders on stock or the link isn’t working, any advice?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please contact the shop directly and they will be able to help. Thanks.

[@ArtSr46]

Do you ever use a small or medium leader rings

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send your questions over to Pat through the shop via e-mail, or give him a call. He’ll be happy to help. Thanks.

[@jacobbarrett8834]

do you have a link of where to find the maxima line also what would be the best all around leader for bluegill and bass

[@Madriveroutfitters]

www.madriveroutfitters.com/m-29-maxima-america-inc.aspx

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Feel free to call or e-mail the shop with any questions. Thanks.

[@andrewcook3831]

Leaders for intermediate tips, specifically hollows?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Andrew Cook Contact Pat directly through the shop and he’ll be happy to help you out. Thanks.

[@Fishfarts_AZ]

That 30lb maxima is hard to get a good knot into. Any advice?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Feel free to contact the shop directly via e-mail or give them a call and they will be happy to help.

[@ArtSr46]

Do you use leader rings ( med/sm ) ?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for watching. Safe to say that if he doesn't talk about it here in this video then he doesn't. Feel free to e-mail him or call him at the shop though with questions. He's always happy to help.

[@1Troutguy]

Which G.Loomis is that 7wt 9' but which model? Thanks

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please contact Pat at the shop via phone or email and he’ll be happy to help/answer. Thanks.

[@gideon7359]

Do you fish braided leaders at all?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send any and all questions directly to the folks at the shop and they will be happy to help. That’s what they do! You can email them or call them. Thanks.

[@jimnelson9182]

Are you using Maxima Ultragreen or Chameleon?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Neither. Typically Clear off of a floating line. We use Ultragreen for sink tips and intermediate lines. Feel free to contact the shop if they can help further. They know best of course.

[@jacobstarr9010]

I was about to buy some boogle bugs on your website but unfortunately you guys are fresh out. Oh well I guess I'll have to wait.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

He can't get them into the country right now and hasn't been able to for about a year. Not at all fresh out, we haven't had them in months and months. We have thousands and thousands on backorder. Stay tuned and hopefully things get better here soon. Thanks for checking.

[@jacobstarr9010]

@@Madriveroutfitters That's understandable. Hopefully you'll be able to get your hands on some soon because bass are hitting topwater where I am.

[@johnraffaghello2]

Big Nasty all day!!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

john raffaghello Great lines....and leaders! Thanks for watching.

[@jeraanderson8173]

Terrific leader info for tying my own. Very much appreciated, Pat. I've searched the MRO vid library and have so far struck out. So here's the question: a technique for fishing poppers/streamers/divers on sink tip fly line. I get the reasoning for the streamers and divers. What I don't get is how or why you're fishing poppers on a sink tip. You and Brian have both mentioned this on previous vids and you specifically mention using it for the Umpqua Swimming frog and Brian using the Swimmy Jimmy here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4qbaJ15Zs90mKM. Perhaps an in-the-field video on fishing all three but most specifically for poppers? (ROAD TRIP!) Thanks for what you guys do, Pat. Oh, and Brian ... WHEEERE'S THE BOOK!?!

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Thanks for checking with us. Please send questions over to the shop at [e-mail]. They will answer you there.

[@rgonzales9382]

Why is there a need to tie your own leader?? Would using a store bought leader work just as well?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

No, store bought leaders do not work as well and are not as much specific to tasks. You should tie your own leaders because they work better and will save you a ton of money.

[@waynepeloquin1146]

I do not tie my own leaders, I have been waiting for The End of the Line to come available.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

You will after you get the book!!! Stay tuned.

[@christianherrington1456]

What size maxima for a 5 weight?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please contact the folks at the shop with that and any question and they will be happy to help. You can email them or call them. Thanks!

[@JamesSmith-ws1un]

Is this maxima clear or ultra green?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Maxima clear for floating lines.

[@JamesSmith-ws1un]

@@Madriveroutfitters thank you!

[@davemeduna700]

I asked Brian a question about using pound test for a leader and he claims you guys don't understand pounds it's only line diameter. Now your talking about using different pound line for leaders?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Hey Dave, thanks for watching! I think you're getting mixed up in semantics. On the packaging you have pounds and diameter. Pat is just referring to that as a title for the leader so you know what you're selecting. The important factor is the diameter. I think what Brian is trying to communicate is you'd never build a leader off of pound test, as most folks mistakenly do, e.g., if I'm fishing for a big bass, I want a strong fishing line. Well, that isn't important when building your leader. What is, is building a leader that will correctly deliver the fly, popper, or whatever to your target. If you'd like to discuss this with the guys who do the fishing, email the shop [e-mail], they'd be more than happy to talk more!

[@Detroit3Pistons]

When you’re making your own bass leaders are you connecting them all with a double/ triple surgeons knot? Is that knot strong enough for bass?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Never. Blood knots only. Please contact the shop if you have any further questions and they will be happy to help.

[@davidleimeister5027]

I buy my leaders.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Well....ok then. Thanks for sharing.

[@bulldozierdd]

Pay is using Maxima, and there are a couple of options for Marxism. Which one? Clear, green, chameleon?

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Please send your questions over to the shop via e-mail or give them a call and they will be happy to help. Sorry but we don't have that information here to share.....but they will. Thanks.

[@MichaelREFLECTS]

Unhelpful when you didnt even mention 0x 1x 2x etc and kept giving just diameters....

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Critical Mass Uh, that’s because the diameters he’s giving are off the “X” chart. There IS no X. Should probably look into that before you make a stupid comment. In public.

[@Madriveroutfitters]

Critical Mass x = diameter by the way. We do have several videos on this, which obviously you need to watch.