Are You Using this Toxic Product on Your Smoker?

[@ac5737]

Hey Jeremy. Can you pin my comment for no reason? Thanks.

[@caljerm]

#Pin4TheWIN

[@JohnDoe-nq5pk]

The mad man bbq scientist done it. Even the Florida man nods in respect

[@stevemahatcke5046]

Lol

[@angeltijerina8057]

Beast! 💪🥩

[@SevenHunnid]

I love to do food videos while smoking weed on my KZbin channel, to cure people’s boredom 🙇‍♂️

[@meme-yc4ks]

Inorganic chemistry was a hell of a class to pass. This man was a teacher. Prolly best to listen and learn.

[@rdot980]

O-chem is the worst....so I've heard. My degree is in computer engineering, so I avoided that stuff.

[@DRV-mt5dd]

I think you meant organic; unless PAM is silicone spray, lol.

[@rjtompkins2507]

Nice to see you doing videos again. I missed the zoom call being at work but I agree with what you said here. I love using pam.

[@madjeepernh6834]

I've been searching for years on how to treat the outside of my homebuilt smoker, I was about ready for a ceramicoat....so glad you made this video when you did!!!!

[@ToneNewEra]

Every 3rd smoke apply beef tallow just b4 you finish the cook so pit is warm still. Has worked for years and years

[@Hankxiong]

You need to try this! I use to smoke alot in the old smoker but i got rid of it years ago. Decided to pick up a cheap propane smoke hollow smoker. The thing didn’t work i spent 2-3 hrs trying to get the burner to stay ignited. Needless to say it never stayed on more than 3mins. I gave up seeing as it was getting late (4am). I lit the only piece of lump charcoal i had left put a few chunk wood and wood chips into the burn tray. Threw it in the smoker and prayed something happened. Smoke was created but in this wisconsin winter. Smoker temps never went above 80-100. I got to tired and decided to go to bed. Woke up 4 hrs later. To my surprise my brisket had bark! It kinda dried out some bits of the brisket. I wrapped it up in foil threw it in the air fryer and cooked it at 375 for 4hrs. The brisket turned out amazing! I some how salvaged it and the smoke flavor was immensely better than I expected. Sorry for the long msg. Thought i’d share my experience.

[@2014gusgus]

You’re gonna ruffle some feathers with this one 😂😂😂

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

Cooking sprays are actually a great option for seasoning something that doesn't need a perfect amazing non-stick coating, and it makes an average seasoning as well for cast iron. The cooking sprays I've used for seasoning cast iron all used lecithin as one of the ingredients, and it seems like this lecithin content helps polymerize into a more even layer more quickly. I do not recommend it personally, but if you are just trying to seal something in a way that's food safe, honestly it sounds like a fantastic option!

[@mr.m8539]

I always appreciate your videos because of the scientific information you provide.

[@scorpman300]

simple rule to follow is if you can eat it or drink it with no deadly reaction , meaning it is safe to eat or drink then it is ok to use. i dont use cooking wine, just like the great cajun chef Justin Wilson used to say if you cant drink it you cant cook with it. great video.

[@LeviathanPits]

AFAIK, once boiled linseed oil has polymerized all of additional drying agents will have off-gassed. If you're running an insulated firebox there's literally no way you can use canola oil as the exterior will never get hot enough to polymerize it, whereas boiled linseed oil polymerizes at ambient temperatures over time (about a week in my experience). Just be careful to apply a thin coat on only the exterior surfaces (that won't be in contact with food), and not have it dripping all over the place and you'll be good to go.

[@gregory2709]

I get him cautioning the use of linseed oil, but overall I agree with you. I'm fairly certain that FatStack smoker he's using in this video was originally seasoned with linseed oil as well. The "patina" finish, I mean.

[@philmaro84]

As much as I think this is helpful, I think you really need to point out the difference between raw linseed oil vs other kinds. Raw linseed is just pure oil without the metallic salts. I imagine that the raw version is fine and the same as pam

[@MadScientistBBQ]

Raw linseed oil is perfectly fine. Just as suitable as any other oil

[@BGWA2]

I'd love to see some details on your BBQ shack that you have there- I'm building something similar right now and would love some ideas, can't decide how I want to set up exhaust fans. Maybe a future video idea?

[@joesebalj956]

I myself was looking into, converting my shed into a smoke house, wondering if that exhaust fan pulls too much of a draft on that stack?

[@CaptRich-bi3gp]

@@joesebalj956 I've built a few. If you feel you are getting too much draw simply turn off your fan.

I've seasoned carbon steel pan with flaxseed oil. Polymorized faster but not reliable and flaking easily. Canola/peanut/sunflower have been durable seasonings. For my BBQ, I start with thin coats so I don't have sticky residu and have always the same process : When I finish cooking : Brush, clean and pass a thin coat of oil in the inside when the BBQ is still hot. Next time, clean outside and thin coat of oil on the outside.

[@bubblehead7680]

I have used Grapeseed oil on my cast iron and imagine it would be perfect for this too.

[@hubbahdabut]

I've been looking at getting a less automagic smoker for a while, but the bigger the smoker the more you have to clean it... eek cleaning and me are at most frenemies, great video on seasoning it though, i do have to say, the title drew me in trying to figure out how to not poison my family, but i learned something far more awesome in the process

[@pokes986]

Lighter fluid should be the #1 never use on a smoker or grill lol

[@fusion210]

The smell takes me back to family cookouts.

[@johnnywoodmusic]

Thank you. This is why I don't eat any seed oils. Most of them were created to lubricate machinery.

[@ChocoTacoMan]

I hope a video on that new structure is coming soon. Take care!

[@captaincoffee1882]

Boiled linseed oil is fine for the outside. Less toxic than high temperature paint, and once it has polymerized essentially, it's inert for all practical purposes. The most toxic thing about boiled linseed oil as if you're careless with your rags, it can spontaneously combust. People listen to you, and you really need to make sure what you're saying is a real issue. Decoding form to buy boiled linseed oil is so amazing and durable as well as beautiful and it will help keep your smoker going for years and years.

[@gregjago3012]

Glad you kept the fat stack,really enjoyed the video on it, cheers from canada

[@joejones5637]

Learned a few things today about grills, and maintenance. Thanks

[@Brady832]

I was just think of this the other day. My thought has always been that I wouldn’t want to breath in certain oils either when they are being “cured” onto the metal. Maybe if these oils are not theoretically safe anyways however we use them around our food all the time. Great video!

[@gordonretherford5451]

You missed the bottom of the firebox.

[@gavnivag7436]

Only modern woodworking bolied linseed oil is made with drying agents. Traditional linseed oil is only boiled to make it polymerize faster, food safe linseed oil is still made this way today.

[@pawdaddysblindhawgbbq1686]

Linseed Oil and Flaxseed Oil are not the same. Flaxseed oil is typically produced by cold-pressing the seeds of the flax plant. Linseed oil also involves pressing flax seeds; however, petroleum solvents are used during extraction to maximize yield. Flaxseed Oil can be food grade and may be the best seasoning agent available. It is pricey. You are correct that Linseed oil should not be used to season cooking equipment.

[@regularguysmokingfood]

Question - you are an awesome person to test various claims and products so I was wondering if you have ever tested the Tip Top Temp adjustable flue vent to help backyard cooks on small smokers and things like the Weber kettle? Thx for everything you do. We love you two and your channel.

[@L.Scott_Music]

Ah, there you are. Just this morning I posted on your FB asking if all was OK since it's been a while since your last video. And, haha, here you are just hours later. I guess I should have held out one more day. Thanks for this. I was about to get a smoker until my financial world turned upside down. But hoping to get one this spring, so this is useful.

[@joshuaweber1172]

Avocado oil is my preference for both inside and out due to the high smoke point, food safe, and comes in a bottle I can wipe on vs a spray that always turns sticky. Linseed has been a bad choice for a longtime, there is a reason very few people use it to season cast iron pans, smoke point is far to low and the industrial version can spontaneously combust if left on a rag.

[@grahamhawes7089]

Just a heads up, apparently a huge amount of “avocado” oil is bogus, just relabeled canola or whatever. I was disappointed to learn this.

[@stuartmeier240]

@@grahamhawes7089 most of our food system is bogus. FDA only requires labels to disclose large percentage ingredients, giving a pass to food processors to use toxic additives. The FDA is the poison.

[@ggarden8432]

I've have always used natural beeswax and grape seed oil mix. it works great.

[@Keith80027]

I can't wait for some of your cooks on this smaller unit as I could use it in my backyard with the FS-80.

[@csuwatson04]

Dude! Thank you so much for this! I just got notified that my Workhorse Pit is on its way and I've been super hesitant as to all the recommendations to keep using boiled linseed oil for seasoning. Just another reason why I joined your Patreon.

[@Cookingsoon]

I saw your video with the butcher/farm in Princeton, Ky. I live in Paducah and have never heard of it. I’m a backyard guy and I LOVE LOVE LOVE BBQn’ thank you for that advice. U have over taken Franklin BBQ(🐐) on my watchlist. Thank you.

[@brianhorst5860]

Question: How far away is your smoker to your fence, and are you concerned about the wood warping.

[@fmmaj9noname332]

Linseed oil is a popular anti-rust and polymerizer for cast iron skillets, but it flakes off and gets into any food getting cooked!

[@sjb103052]

Good info and all but if you want to avoid using aerosols and don’t want to pay for a commercial cooking oil, you can always do what I do and use tallow. I always have enough beef fat from trimmings to render a panful just about every time I cook. More than enough to save some and to paint some onto the smoker.

[@chrisdroblyn]

I've been missing you in my notifications bar. Glad to see you popup.

[@dubbified]

I dumped two bottles of trader joes sunflower oil into a pump spray bottle, and used it to cure my sidesmoker. No byproduct smells, nice deep nonstick finish, not sticky like pam.

[@pacman_17]

The Fat Stack was looking rough. Its satisfying to clean off the carbon buildup having the smoker looking new again

[@gmoore85]

Would love to see a Camp Chef Apex review

[@bodeine454]

I need to get in on our offset smoker soon and clean and seal it with cooking spray. I negected it last year so this is on my soon to do list 👍

[@alexblack6421]

On a side note I haven’t been able to bbq in a few months…. First night back I made beef short ribs, tri tip, and a Chuck that all came out like I hadn’t taken a break lol. Low and slow and forget about it lol

[@rdot980]

Only time I've considered using boiled linseed oil is for woodworking to protect the surface of woodshop furniture.

[@captaincoffee1882]

Boiled linseed oil is 10 times more durable after it has polymerized than any other cooking oil.

[@bew1769]

Is that fan going to change your draft because of the venturi effect? Great video as always.

[@UnknownMOI]

I was thinking the same thing about the fan.

[@barrygolden9823]

You beat me to it! I was wondering the same thing!

[@oscarctamezjr4673]

Spray Canola Oil is what works for me.

[@thenext9537]

If you examine how people season a cast iron pan. Many methods, I've done olive oil because of lower smoke point, to coat with rag, run the fire hot as hell, and just keep wiping and do this for like 10 minutes (in the middle of my yard). Now I do avocado oil. Since the point is so high (like 450+), I get nice black coating, and I just keep wiping, thin coats, burn it off, keep going and when it hits about 10-15 mins, I turn off the fire and wait. Nice and glossy, eggs don't stick (as long as I use pam or something).

[@bwill8235]

I own the workhorse 1975. I emailed them about this issue and this was their response... As stated in our user manual, never put linseed oil, boiled or raw organic, on the interior of a smoker. Boiled linseed has a polymer (drying agent hardener). The raw does not, but will harden over time (7-14 days). Linseed oil is flaxseed oil. Those polymers previously mentioned would be toxic to health if burned indoors. Being outdoors, there is more than enough ventilation according to manufacturer spec. I am a science guy so we try to be lead by factual data. This was what they replied with. Hopefully they release a video about this.

[@MadScientistBBQ]

I don’t quite understand what they are saying

[@billbryant1288]

I’ve got a 1969 on order so I’ve got skin in this game too and care about what the folks at workhorse have to say about this topic. In other news, science guy or not, the writer needs to learn the difference between lead (heavy metal or present tense verb meaning show the way) and led (past tense verb meaning showed the way).

[@SparyZWanTuhNayHo]

Note: Some version of Pam and other cooking sprays do have silicone in them. Read the label. Also, some of them have that fake butter flavor. Won't hurt you, of course, but it's gross. 🙂

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

Came here for this. Pam basically always has it, I would NOT recommend using brand name Pam as a result or any direct knockoff product. I use Spectrum's canola oil spray since you can get it in the 16oz cans and they last long enough to get a good coating on my smoker's fire box. It's been working great, I brought a can with me when I went to my friend's for the 4th of July and his smoker was really not well maintained, and it looked fantastic by the time I left since we hit it with an entire can of spray plus a bunch of scrap oil from the drip pan afterwards on the 5th when we cooked breakfast on it, just to thicken the coating up properly since we didn't have anything better and beef tallow also has a pretty high smoke point in my experience. Zero waste that way too, assuming you don't use all your spare grease starting your smoker like Jeremy loves to do lol edit: the ingredients you want to look out for are anything with "siloxane" in the name, FYI. I believe Pam uses dimethylsiloxane for instance, but there are other silicone polymers out there as well and different brands that use them may use another one instead for whatever reason. The breakdown products also should not be toxic I don't think, but you really don't want to be burning silicone if you can help it either

[@SparyZWanTuhNayHo]

@@TheOriginalFaxon 100% I also use Spectrum Canola spray.

[@2005Pilot]

Canola for mine- just got that twin pak from Costco

[@buckaroomanreh]

Like seasoning a cast iron but the outside which doesn't come into contact with th food so does it really matter? Love your stuff you have helped my smoke game so much. Everything in moderation and to each their own.

[@madjeepernh6834]

It absolutely matters! You don't want it to rust.

[@ips7125]

I use 2#of bacon to season my smokers and grills. Start cooking it then grab it with tongs and use it like a paint brush. After you got delicious bacon to eat. However, i have never oiled the ouside of my smoker. But i think this spring i may now

[@cdmays]

That’s the exact brand of boiled linseed oil I put on my offset

[@grillaz4E]

This is Mexican old style when grilling or clean your grill, get it hot n rub it with an onion really good 👍

[@a.anderson7462]

I used beef tallow on the interior of the smoker. Sprayed canola on the exterior. Personally I don’t wish to consume canola oil or have my food in contact with it.

[@mtmarcy4495]

Your 1975t land yet? Ordered mine after your review and she's done and waiting to ship. Can't wait to see some more vids with your new pit! I'm curious though... it comes with linseed oil finish. Will other types of oils work well on existing finish or do you plan to strip it down somehow?

[@petemitchum3198]

Great question. I have a 1975 and was wondering the same thing.

[@philmaro84]

It uses Raw linseed oil which is perfectly fine

[@mtmarcy4495]

@@philmaro84 Workhorse recommends that you use boiled linseed oil for restoring finish. I'd assumed that this is what they use in production as well.

[@philmaro84]

@@mtmarcy4495 I have a 1975 its RAW linseed oil as is posted on their website

[@mtmarcy4495]

@@philmaro84 I'll check that out. Thanks. It's somewhat confusing for those of us who are new to this whole thing because in a Quetorial video put out by none other than JD himself, he specifically states that he's using BOILED linseed oil, making the distinction that he will not be using RAW linseed oil. He then proceeds walk us through the selection and application of "BOLLED linseed ole" to his 1969, even going so far as to show a can of "RAW linseed ole" being placed back on the shelf at the store.

[@billdillard885]

Jeremy I would like you to do a UT on Pellets. What kind of regulations are pellet manufactures REQUIRED to follow? How do we know pecan IS pecan? What kind of testing has been done to determine the impact of pellet particulate in what ever we are cooking with a pellet pooper? How does the particulate generation of a Pooper compare to an Egg or a stick burner, or gas with pellet smoke generation? I cook on both types… clean them after EVERY cook. I’m amazing at the amount of particulate generated on a single pooper cook… and finally what is in the pellet binder …. Anyway? Just wondering… 😳

[@miguelzamora777]

Thanks for the continued education I sure appreciate it.

[@coffeeandrage686]

Informative video as always. As a side note, I want the playlist you use for the vids. Would love to have stuff like that playing when I'm cooking.

[@FargoFred]

Nice vid Jeremy. Please can we get a tour of your new smoker room? I'm building one at my next house and always looking for ideas!

[@Dev_Everything]

Hey glad to see you are back making videos...bout time man.

[@JacobCCHalo]

Love your channel. Think the argument you made pointing out that it says "do not swallow,. Contact poison control" was misleading. Do you not clean your countertops with something that says the same thing? What about your fridge? Microwave? The dishes that you drink/eat off of?

[@kennybaumann2117]

I know for one that does and it is toothpaste or mouth wash with Fluoride. Go check your tubes and bottles right now. It will say "if swallowed call your local poisonous control center" I promise it's not because of the minty flavor. It's because fluoride is a byproduct of manufacturing of aluminum that was used as rat poison until it was banned because the dead decaying rats were eaten by other animals in the food chain, including domestic animals, and contaminating rivers from rainwater runoff. Alcoa funded a study that concluded that fluoride was good for teeth and so the Government decided to add this poison into our drinking water. Now cancers, heavy medal poisoning (fluoride attracts lead) and it has produced one of the fastest growing industries in the US, Dental Implants. So if the poison doesn't kill you at the very least it will eat away your gums and teeth. Think about it, follow the money.

[@dawgvet7756]

The counter argument (no pun intended) I would make is more about the concentration and time the food is exposed to such chemical. Take your above mentioned counter cleaning product, soak the food for 6, 8 or 18 hours in that chemical and then cook it. 😁 On the countertop, you may be talking about a low concentration/low time exposure vs hours in a smoker. There is a big difference between "raw" linseed oil and "boiled" linseed oil. Boiled linseed oil adds chemicals like Naphthalene, which according to the MSDS, can cause liver and kidney damage. May cause methemoglobinemia (inability for your red blood cells to carry enough oxygen due to low hemoglobin in them). So why even add that when there are safer product to use. That is all he is trying to say.

[@arnusithduangsay949]

Cooking spray has residual butane when sprayed, so I would say that it's not safe.

[@jerryshoescuffer2133]

Upper traps looking good, Jeremy!

[@bobroberts3628]

Hey Jeremy, as always a very informative and entertaining video. Question-I have a half face cord of hickory I bought almost 3 years ago. I haven't used all of it and wonder if it is still ok to use. It isnt moldy and has been outside the entire time. It has turned a bit gray. What do you think? Thanks!

[@MadScientistBBQ]

Yes, absolutely fine to use

[@CarnivoreKipp]

I personally don't think linseed is a big deal after it is baked onto the outside of the pit. The paint on the outside of smokers isn't for human consumption either buy we cure the paint and season well before cooking.

[@grantjamrock3812]

Isn't Pam just butane in a can with some oil?

[@ryanpasmore3676]

Great info there Jeremy! Love your content & I'll take your latest advice when starting to build smokers in the coming months 👍

[@chrisrobertssr8133]

Is there a video about that structure your grill is in?? That looks fascinating

[@nategibbons172]

This is why I can’t believe Myron has a rib video with lighter fluid.

[@SamMaeder]

I really want to make an offset. I got a welder for Christmas and would love to do a project like that with it.

[@elirios9703]

Would store bought lard work also, I'm wondering! 🤔

[@RaleighSmoke]

Interesting stuff. What about paint or clear coats on an offset?

[@kentmarsh6442]

That's what I'm wondering. I painted my big smoker last year with bbq paint. I hope I don't screw up.

[@The_Real_Goodboy_Link]

13:12 oh my, that's a real beauty!

[@setthehook577]

Is the next video going to be about paint and powder coated cookers? IMO, bad intentions. I would be interested to know what company motivated Jeremy to make this video.

[@bennygilbert8764]

Hey Jeremy, any chance you can do a smoked whole shoulder clod video if you haven't already?

[@FFL-vg9ro]

Also, the danger that boiled linseed oils soaked rags can self combust. They need to be stored in a metal can or burned. A friend burned his garage down after leaving a pile of linseed oil rags on the workbench overnight. Nasty stuff.

[@Rcp-pi8vo]

Well done Jeremy!! Hope all is well!

[@michaels.3632]

So a friend forwarded an article about how smoked food is horrible for one especially red meats. Mankind has been eating fire cooked food since the dawn of time. How about a video that addresses this topic? Thoughts? I, for one, will continue to bbq

[@apexcustomsmokers]

I get where you're coming from, HOWEVER, we're talking about the EXTERIOR of a smoker. High temperature enamel sure as heck isn't food safe, but the vast majority of people looking to restore their smokers use it, as well as a lot of pit builders. There is a process to using Boiled linseed oil, it can't just be applied all willy-nilly. When done properly, there isn't a difference between linseed oil and high temp enamel SAFETY WISE. Just be sure it's ONLY APPLIED TO THE EXTERIOR. Cooking oil is meant for the interior, and yes, it can absolutely be used on the exterior. More and people are going this route ANYWAYS, because no matter linseed oil or paint, it all deteriorates over time.

[@whiskeythoughtswithob7909]

I saw a picture in a review video of you with a combo grill. Two years ago I bought a chargriller combo and added a fire box, first thing i smoked was a brisket and ive been hooked ever since. I've ruined my last two briskets. Have I ever cleaned the grill before today? Nope. I did a lot of research and im hoping i was having a creosote issue. I found this video after i spent a couple hours cleaning my shitty but loveable grill. I went to lowes and got a 7-1 to use as a scraper and a wire brush almost exactly like you have, felt pretty pleased with myself i did it almost exactly the way you did, didnt know about the pam trick and will use that next time. I dont know if youll see this but im curious if youve ever had an issue with the harsh chemical taste even while burning clean? If you dont answer thats totally cool, love your content

[@philobeddoe5214]

NGL, kind of miss the Kentucky woods back drop. What can I say? I like backyards.

[@YouTubeAP81]

Workhorse Pits seasons their pits with linseed oil, and so do I on my 1975t. It's perfectly fine

[@SecNotSureSir]

I use peanut oil.

[@IcyBrook]

Please make more vids man - even if they're just you making simple things

[@markweinsheimer9129]

I used mineral oil on my smoker. great channel

[@salcalderon2125]

Awesome video! Very informative. I have a Traeger and wonder if I should treat it the same even though it's a pellet grill. Love your videos brother! 🙏🏽

[@corey1788]

Pellet grills are painted. He’s referring to protecting the outside of offset smokers with no finish on them. I’ve seen people put oil coatings on painted offsets but it’s really not necessary.

[@salcalderon2125]

@@corey1788 thank you 👍🏽

[@nad11158]

Thanks going to do this today. When is your next BBQ Competition would like to come meet you.

[@noahbelcher5182]

What an amazing video! Great job!

[@charliezicolillo]

what about food grade mineral oil.

[@gregmonger5747]

Thank you for this safety tip.

[@jmollo55]

Does the fan cause any extra draw as A windy day would

[@MadScientistBBQ]

Yep. You can dial it up or down

[@deerrudy]

Think Pam uses Butane in the ingredients, why i dont use it at all. it's probably just as bad.

[@dlloyd4896]

Thus speaketh the Scientist 🍻 Jeremy, have you met Bryson Dechambeau aka Golfs Mad Scientist? You should invite him on for some kind of a cook. 👍

[@sdotbrooks]

Love the scientist specific vids. Should I coat smoker with Waygu fat?

[@dfenton129]

Hey Jeremy, The problem with PAM is how bad the aerosol cans are for the environment. I'm sure I've seen you use a pump sprayer for basting/ spritzing your smoked meat, why not use that wit oil in it. Also you really should be wearing a mask when clearing all that Ash that stiff isn't good for you either. I do like your videos and thanks for educating people

[@MadScientistBBQ]

Not really familiar with the environmental effects of the propellant. I have tried using a pump sprayer for this purpose but the oil always comes out in a stream rather than the mist I get from the aerosol sprays. So I use the cans for ease of use more than anything. I’ll have to look into the effects of the propellant more

[@dfenton129]

@@MadScientistBBQ Great reply, thanks. This is why I like your videos. You're into looking into ideas with an open mind

[@denrayr]

Since you called it out, would you care to elaborate on the negative impact to the environment?

[@georgee5331]

Sweetbabyjeebus that's a giant freaking fire for this!

[@MadScientistBBQ]

Speeds up the process!

[@htownblue11]

Great info for the avg. Joe who tries BBQ experimenting to know.

[@glennroberts1852]

As always, great info.

[@MadScientistBBQ]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@coreyroberts2831]

Mineral Oil for the exterior.

[@hawkeyeted]

^That^ Food grade mineral oil.

[@Truckerdaddy]

If you don't use it to cook with then why would you put it on your cooking utensils?