MAGA Lowlifes Race to Kiss Trump's Butt at his Porn Trial! | The Next Level (Live from DC)

The gang was live at Sixth and I in D.C. last night to talk President Biden challenging Donald Trump to a debate in June. The former president accepted the early debate, but is it a smart move from the White House?
Plus, the gang dives deep on where they stand on recent polling and the mindset of “the people,” and ponder whether they would vote for former GOP. Gov. Larry Hogan for the open Maryland senate seat now that the Democratic primary in the state is over.
0:00 Intro
2:10 Biden & Trump set to debate
10:14 Maryland primary/voting for Larry Hogan
20:56 Mitt Romney thinks Biden should have pardoned Trump
26:06 Dissecting the NYT poll
39:26 Will voters come around on Biden?
46:57 Is Israel flipping Never-Trumpers back?
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[@lane6216]

Great show, guys! Please stop framing the issue as “abortion.” It’s actually way larger; it’s women’s health. Please call out what they’re actually doing. They’re not saving babies, they’re actively harming women.

[@ProcrastinatorsAnon]

This! One of the things I definitely "both sides." Everyone calls it abortion or "pro-abortion" which sounds idiotic, especially when they talk about ads and interviews with women who almost died on top of losing their babies. The medical industry was already treating women badly before this mayhem. This drives it up so much further.

[@rikachiu]

I don't understand how people think electing trump will make butter cheaper. It's so ridiculous.

[@JeanGillespie-fp7rs]

Sheeple....

[@Mary-kl4tk]

They just keep drinking that Kool aid and eating that BS pie

[@bluesdjben]

One thing I've been thinking the last few weeks is, "This country is way too good to give to somebody like Donald Trump." I know everyone wants to focus on the negatives because that's what gets pushed in the news and on social media, but if you look around, there is so much great art being created, there is so much amazing innovation in tech and science, there are so many wonderful people doing things to make their communities a better place. We have to look around and see all the great things happening in this country, and then look at the moral repulsiveness of Donald Trump, and say, "We can't do it. This country is way too good for someone like him."

[@glennmorgan4197]

4:03 Since when is Don the Con a great debater? He completely ignores the question and doesn't shut up long enough to hear his opponent 😮🤬💙🌊💙🌊💙🌊💙🌊💙🌊

[@billermanthegreat]

He can't think so why listen.

[@PointofConnection]

Trump has a barbed tongue and he is unconventional. People don't know how to handle this because they want him to play by the (their) rules.

[@hangonaminute2580]

I can't believe they are even debating whether or not to vote for Hogan. The only acceptable answer is to keep the G.O.P. from taking the Senate.

[@Wellwellwellmymichelle5]

Mitt Romney is wrong. Politics has no place in this, the law! We’re a nation of laws not men. Justice is to operate without fear or favor. No one is above the law. ⚖️

[@nadya6295]

So Romney is saying that political strategy is more important than justice for anti-democracy and national security related crimes? I thought he was supposed to be the Republican with principles.

[@SwisstedChef2018]

Since when are we listening to MItt?

[@dfuher968]

Yeah, between that and waxing about how important honesty is, then going on to shamelessly lying about the border, and what Biden has done and not done about the border, that showed Romneys true colors.

[@daudder]

So glad Obama beat him…

[@josefeibl8230]

​@@_f4y3_when they start going after Obama and Bidumb, I'll believe in justice.

[@Mike-01234]

The mistake Biden did was putting Garland in as AG weak should have charged Trump in late 2022 so we have all of 2023 and 2024 to get these trials going. The dumbest idea was waiting this long to do anything.

[@ExVoto63]

I would be lost and simmering in a stew of my own powerlessness and rage without Sykes, Conway, the Bulwark crew, and Lincoln Project gang these past few years. Thank you all.

[@patriciafavors606]

❤❤❤

[@PKellyTeacher]

Me, too, my friend.

[@phylliscommeree7115]

Amen to that!!

[@ttacking_you]

I miss Sykes sometimes but "Timbo McMiller" holds it down quite sufficiently. Timbo Mac and his cadre

[@LaSmoocherina]

Hogan won’t resist Trump.

[@PKellyTeacher]

DEFINITELY WON'T

[@JeanGillespie-fp7rs]

Pathetic!

[@suehegedus7517]

How about asking the syncophants who paid for their flight to the trial in New York and their hotel and transportation. Are their voters paying for them to not do the work of their constituents?

[@grahammcfadyenhill9555]

It's all coming out of campaign contributions.

[@myngaf1172]

Didn't they take the train? :)

[@JeanGillespie-fp7rs]

We must question all spending!

[@veracalvin6858]

Even in a dream Susan Collins would never have the backbone to resist Trump. Besides, I'm sure she's confident he's learned his lesson. Good God, Sarah...

[@JeanGillespie-fp7rs]

Such an inane comment!😊

[@veracalvin6858]

@JeanGillespie-fp7rs you must not be aware those are Susan Collins actual words regarding Trump. I agree wholeheartedly.

[@EddyMerckx-1964-Sallanches]

No reason to be blasphemous.

[@direwolf6234]

reagan ? reagan ? the 'government is the problem - less taxes' guy is the one who started to tax social security benefits in 1984 and since then seniors have had to pay more with money taken from their retirements ...

[@Bookworm-wq6ub]

He sucked

[@TraceyJean]

I have never understood the Regan worship. He sucked!

[@natalieharless1715]

Geoff Duncan said it, but JBL, it's NOT ENOUGH!!!! Fight America!!!!!! Vote blue in 24!

[@suzanneengland8978]

Good point on voters. Many of red hat voters never voted before TFG! They also have said they won't vote for anyone but TFG. I've seen this online. Their votes are what keeps TFG in the game, because if it wasn't for them I think the Republicans would throw him to the curb. When TFG is gone, most these people probably won't vote again. And that's a good thing! Those who have consistently voted, care about the country. Most of those voters today are voting for Biden.

[@rosemariebredahl9519]

It's not victimless [crime] to deny the rights of those who wouldn't have elected a serial adulterer in 2016 by "gagging" the freedom of speech these accusers had and applying "white collar crime" to cover up the scheme. Nor is it victimless to delay trials now that would inform 2024 voting. The people deserve the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth ... so help us all.

[@vincentdesapio]

Biden comes into a debate with low expectations. People don't realize that he is an excellent debater. He certainly did better than Trump in 2020 and he did well against Paul Ryan in 2012. Biden tends to come off as a policy wonk. Something Trump will never be.

[@AM-fs1je]

IF Rump shuts up & lets him speak. How likely is that?

[@Karenonflute]

I think Trump knows that! I won’t hold my breath waiting for a debate!

[@leeka40]

​@@AM-fs1jeThe debate will cut the microphone this time when time is up. Colbert had a really really funny one pretending to be trump miming with no sound.

[@nancychandler3673]

Or have RFK Jr and Trump talk babble to each other and Biden doesn't have to say a word to win the debate 😂

[@dfuher968]

@@nancychandler3673 RFK Jr wont be there. A. its not the presidential debate commission, and B. even if it were, RFK Jr is nowhere near qualifying under their rules.

[@cynthiazimmerman2090]

I have voted for Larry Hogan in the past and want to trust he would do the right thing, but I DON'T trust this MAGA Republican to let him do the right thing. Dems all the way💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙

[@LogicAndReason2025]

Voter hint - If the contractor you just hired to fix your badly vandalized home, does not fix it perfectly overnight, you don't hire the vandal to replace him.

[@natalieharless1715]

Tim Miller rules!!!!!! Bravo!!!!! 😁😅😂💯❗👏👍

[@naomiweaver1855]

Biden got what he wanted in the rules. No audience and the microphones cut off when the timed answer is up.

[@PointofConnection]

But will Biden abide by taking a drug test?

[@markfeland2285]

Debate ? Do you really think Trump is gonna show ? Cue the excuses....

[@Terry-lh8cn]

No way will he show. Even he knows he's losing his shit.

[@ericapoe]

They’re already claiming they will be rigged

[@arcticgoddess]

Trump is too proud and arrogant to no-show Biden. He will load up on Prevagen and Vyvanse and look like Hannibal Lector during the debate..

[@leparfumdugrosboss4216]

The rhythm his dementia is progressing, by the end of June he might show but it will be in his pajamas and he'll confuse Biden with the ghost of Ivana.

[@michaelhaddock8636]

I think it is on a par with the chances of him testifying in any of his court cases. My vote goes to Trump claiming that somehow the NY case gag order means that he isn't able to debate, with an each way bet on him resurrecting the drug test demand and pulling out when Biden says no.

[@waterfire4fun]

I just love listening to the 3 of you hash it all out. Oh Tim, I feel you, I just don't get it either...WTF are people thinking?

[@callingdrhoward8293]

"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." Soren Kierkegaard

[@lhoward9593]

Good quote!

[@JJNow-gg9so]

So appreciate you all. 🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙

[@patrachlis6549]

Most Americans ignore the emails and tests about polls. We turn out to vote. Dump Trump in prison for life! ⚖️ Blue tsunami! 🌊💪⚖️

[@patrachlis6549]

Not tests "texts"

[@Terry-lh8cn]

@@patrachlis6549 Click on the 3 dots to the right of your post to edit it.

[@urkiddingme6254]

Excellent discussion, as usual for you three. Very interested in JVL's opinion of Larry Hogan. It was refreshing. I don't know that I don't trust Hogan, particularly, so much as I don't trust ANY Republican to not fall in with the crowd pressure once they're in Congress. It's so completely different from being a Governor.

[@PKellyTeacher]

DO NOT TRUST HOGAN!

[@urkiddingme6254]

@@PKellyTeacher I don't really know him. I know he's popular in Maryland, but I've heard him slip into campaign mode where he bashes Democrats just to appeal to his party, so I don't trust him just based on that tendency. If he was actually in Congress where the MAGA pressure was a daily thing I don't think he'd hold up well.

[@paulab107]

So, stage a coup and win and be president for life. Lose and get pardoned. What keeps the incumbent from trying a coup?

[@BooksForever]

It’s almost like Romney is unable to think things through one more step ahead. He’s probably never won a game of chess in his life.

[@ttacking_you]

This is a right wing country, you know that. You're one of them probably!

[@BooksForever]

@@ttacking_you - your attempt at a hot take has come up a cold failure.

[@ttacking_you]

I tell ya, if trump wins, it'll probably be my fault for talking so much racist shit? Eh, but it will be kinda worth it... Oh I just got suspended again? And I just got UNsuspended an hour ago? Oh well? KZbin knows it can't silence me so I have no problem with daily suspensions

[@ttacking_you]

Back from suspension, BABY!! 💪😎 WHEW

[@JasonMcClainEvolved]

JVL about 30-ish minutes in really hits his stride. The goldfish comment was hilarious.

[@ttacking_you]

Plus that photo of Vivek showing off his form

[@anothercitizen4867]

That Wisconsin yarn reminded me that we are in an idiocracy

[@Rebeca-sd1md]

Loved it!!!❤❤❤ You guys are so much fun. Tim made me laugh out loud with his comments about Romney drinking milk and not activating people to vote so much 😂 Love you all ❤❤❤

[@aspasialogica8416]

I was there - you guys were great! Thanks for a terrific evening.

[@judyth3195]

There is too much at stake to vote for Hogan and add to the number of senate republicans. I have lived in MD my whole life and would never trust Hogan.

[@annesmith5192]

Those chairs looked uncomfortable.

[@chickenmama823]

I could not agree more with Tim!

[@PKellyTeacher]

Tim is wonderful. Hard to believe he was ever a Republican.

[@vinista256]

He’s great. I’m waiting for his final transformation, though (realizing that Reagan did a lot of harm and Elizabeth Warren is a heroic public servant).

[@PaulTopping1]

Trump would have turned a pardon to his advantage by portraying it as Biden paying him to not run in 2024. This, of course, is exactly what Romney is telling us Biden should have done for that reason. Trump always sees the play. Trump: "Biden is so weak that he thinks he can stop me running against him in 2024 by pardoning me for "crimes" I didn't even commit."

[@RandineGH]

Great conversation between the 3 of you!

[@nancychandler3673]

Infrastructure is working. More jobs. More employees and employers investing. My lead pipes have been replaced by copper.

[@josefeibl8230]

More lay offs, the lead pipes are mainly underground, cooper is seldomly used because of costs. Pex tubing is more popular and much faster. Bidumb's brilliant Rescue America plan added even more to inflation and the national debt. If you're paying taxes, you'll be paying more with Bidumb. Don't believe the $400k lie.

[@viveksmom]

Awesome for you! Our children should not be poisoned by the water.

[@Aarkwrite]

“Nothing matters.None of this makes sense. We’re all dead” *Holy motherforking shirtballs. This is the Bad Place.*

[@anneruby4182]

Are you nuts!?! You think Susan Collins would EVER do anything but dither about what’s right and then put party over country when it comes to a vote?

[@ecmarks438]

Sarah's comment about the Czech person said that if govt. is stable the public doesn't panic vote (high turnout). If we had true bipartisanship where legislative compromises are made, I can focus on my life issues. I may not fully embrace the outcome but I can feel I got something positive and move on. The insanity that is the current Republican party acting as temper tantrum toddlers (emulating Trump) is so depressing and enrages me. I want sanity to take hold again.

[@billmiller9145]

You all are the BEST! Thanks for keeping a dismal situation something to laugh about.

[@luzmeck8806]

JVL you said it!! Ppl are dumb and ignorant! I agree

[@ftt7429]

Who are the people that are on the fence and need to see a Trump- Biden debate to figure out who to vote for?

[@nancychandler3673]

It's really up to us to educate those in our personal lives.

[@leparfumdugrosboss4216]

The kind who blames the overturn of Roe v Wade on Biden because it happened during his mandate...

[@Mary-kl4tk]

At this point people shouldn't be on the fence nor should this be a neck and neck race as the polls suggest. WTH is wrong with these people?

[@booradley4237]

31:30 in this rant Sarah NAILED IT! Keep watching thru the applause

[@joanfregapane8683]

Another excellent podcast. I hope to heaven that Sarah is right and acceptance sets in & sweeps Joe Biden back into the WH. I am sure many people react more positively to an ‘exciting’ candidate, and perhaps it’s just my advanced age, but I respond most positively to intelligent and knowledgeable candidates.

[@nullverba856]

If you want to show people what they're voting for *_in voting against_* Donald Trump, ask them if they'd rather live in Bedford Falls ... or Pottersville? ... And then, if they indicate a preference for the latter ... remind them that Trump would've run Pottersville into the ground by now.

[@49gagah]

Pure sickening.. Why & how can they support a criminal. We are in a danerous time in this country. It's a must to VOTE BLUE! CRITICAL!

[@TCsCollectablesCollection]

Criminal...and what crime Trump I guess you're referring has Trump been convicted of? 🤔

[@richardvickrey4786]

"We gotta' shiv 'em!" - Tim Miller. Possibly the best closing line EVER! 💙

[@richardvickrey4786]

You guys crack me up! Love all three of you & The Bulwark in general & I am a 72 year old, lifetime FDR Democrat. Allow me to break it down: 1) JVL is America's Dad, bald spot & all! Very astute, well informed, easy to follow. 2) Tim is like the hyper attenuated, younger Gay smartass who will ALWAYS be the smartest guy in the room. 3) Sarah is the erudite, Gay woman who would be "The World's Greatest Mom!" IF she chose to go down that path. Regardless, I remain impressed with their collective presence on KZbin. I for one want to "Thank them for their service!" for trying to Save Democracy. VOTE BLUE! 💙

[@SisKrys]

In all reality, boot licking is only a small part. The objective is largely to distract from the trial. Essentially obstructing justice.

[@memi510]

48:49 😂 Tim says what I feel.

[@randymcdaniel1244]

If you dug 26 holes from A to Z Trump would be the A Hole😅😅

[@carolinemaybe]

Thank you to everyone who could attend. Love from subscriber living overseas.

[@vllukens7265]

That is a headline guaranteed to attract attention. Wish I could have been there.

[@richardvickrey4786]

J.V.L. amuses me no end! He is such an All-American Dad, circa 2024. Long may he reign. 🎉 💙

[@shellygentry4363]

I'm watching you guys on my TV and you look marvelous 💜 This is my new favorite PODCAST 💜 You give me hope that America is mostly sane. Thx 💜

[@maryannlorette-rust5352]

Love you guys!

[@stewarer]

(45:30) RE Salience. Showing the former president in full display of his mental deterioration might be a wake-up call for people who have not been following his rallies and just turn away when he's giving his complaints on the court house steps.

[@natalieharless1715]

Bravo, Tim! 👏👍😁❗💯

[@gjjkgfci]

I love you guys ❤❤ I'm so happy that I found The Bulwark!

[@katechurcher4830]

More control over the bully. 🎉

[@andym4695]

Now that's interesting. I always thought HW needed another term, but he said "well, ah, we need to raise taxes" and the (non-Bulwark) Republicans said "TRAITOR!"

[@ceterisparabolas]

I’m shocked there was no reference to taking the debate commission and Iowa Caucus to the gravel pit.

[@grahammcfadyenhill9555]

Where is Cricket? Cricket, Cricket, here girl! Shades of Pet Sematary.

[@wanderlustworldschooling543]

I think Tim mentioned it in another podcast

[@NEbluefire]

HEY, I, for one, INSTANTLY got the Spinal Tap reference. INSTANTLY!

[@corwin8558]

Give Sarah a national voice. She makes sense and is tough.

[@dianethulin1700]

Rum Raisin is gas station stoner food. You don’t go out to buy it but when it’s the last flavor left you will buy it. When it finally softens enough to eat you think- “ that’s not so bad”

[@user-zw4jy2cf5g]

I was there! I met you all! You are the bee's knees! Sarah gave me a hug unprompted! *Swoons and dies*

[@maurettehanson3655]

Sarah, you and Steve Schmidt, feels the same way. Here is my take, you guys know people in high places, HELP THEM OUT! You are both respected!

[@donaldmacmillan-qy4hj]

yup vivek is certainly a guy that should be at the wheel of power.

[@MrMorokiatt]

Why are we doing this? Tim nails it again.

[@patriciagriffin1505]

America has definitely lost its moral compass…if it ever had one

[@Bookworm-wq6ub]

Hogan sucks

[@CatieGorga]

The problem with electing Hogan is it puts Rs closer to being in charge of the Senate - and even if Biden wins- then nothing will get done. There would be no judicial appointments approved. It would all stop.

[@natalieharless1715]

Sarah does have a point occasionally, But not enough. Is she waffling? 😳🤔🤨

[@richardvickrey4786]

Best podcast EVER! 💙

[@nicolezimbardi7952]

The debate will not happen!

[@lisaober731]

Once again Sarah is correct.

[@sherrillwhately7586]

Ukraine 🇺🇦 is top of mind.

[@ricktice6821]

dudes! they're not just kissing, they are rimming 🤣

[@dbn52]

Dude I spit out my water on that one. Well said.

[@tishlomellini1096]

2024 USA will be voting for democracy or autocracy. VOTE BLUE up and down the ballot.

[@meanpersonable]

Go Tim, JVL, and Sarah. Yes, I am the opinionated guy that criticizes you all, sometimes. But I keep coming back, because you are telling your truth. (I might be an infant that can't tell if you are doing that, but you come across as believing what you say.)

[@kull778899]

Longwell is so very astute. I love Tim's passion but Sarah really understands people.

[@damiannunez416]

💙🌊

[@JeffArchuleta]

I'm with Tim in that my body is filled with uncontrollable rage.

[@mrfuzztone]

You discussed things that can lead to pessimism. I am glad that you are not giving up the fight. We all have to get smarter and stronger to defeat Trump. Better coordination is needed among groups working to defeat Trump:: Bulwark, Meidas Touch, Lincoln Project, many more. And the Biden admin. Maybe a convention (could be virtual).

[@denisehall4818]

Trump will keep raving even if the microphones are off.

[@dianewhalen9721]

Sara you’ve got my vote.You guys are so funny! I have been bent over laughing at some of things you guys say.Humor is a great communicator😂😂😂😂😂👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🙏🏼❤️👍

[@lqpbq]

June is too early for any debate. No one will remember it by November

[@annebruce5135]

Hogan isn't fighting trump, he's all in with him Sarah.

[@TruthAndTattoos]

I really enjoyed this podcast more than usual. U guys do a phenomenal job. Nihilism is for suckers! Gotta find that next wind & keep at it!👌🏽

[@mogwahcrone3910]

If you feel so strongly about the democrats lack of or style of communication why don’t you do it? You have a platform and seem to have all the answers ☠️💙☠️💙💙☠️

[@danimorrow6317]

Sarah, if you ever decide to throw your hat in (& I hope you do), you get my vote. And I'd work for your campaign in a heartbeat.

[@helenagalvao8943]

No way Trump can beat Biden in debate

[@alexdevalois]

"No, we're not doing FUCKING Stonehenge!"

[@natalieharless1715]

Agree, Sarah, but maga have the attention span of goldfish. That's the saddest of all! 😱😳👍

[@poijntxhaisdgcha6004]

Wondering if all these comments are for r or they just fake comments

[@virginiaf.5764]

"Romney drinks milk" .... Tim, you so funny.

[@thehoaofcoronadoplace2801]

Great show guys!

[@richardgeorge4795]

I love you guys! Such a great amount of wit and intelligence. And I've been a Democrat for seven decades!

[@TCsCollectablesCollection]

Seven Decades, and in those 70 years have you not seen or read the history of that party? 🤔

[@remy91111]

Love you guys so much! Please run a contest to build support for the Bulwark. I would donate $$ just for the opportunity to win a lottery that allowed me to have drinks or a meal with you three!

[@eleanor8652]

“Great guy, can’t trust him.” Oof.