Mage Rework!? - RUNE OF POWER IS GONE

[@schwegburt3002]

Having played Mage since Wrath. RoP is just an unfun ability. Mage felt a lot better when you didn't have to landlock most of your dps to 16 yard circle with a crappy graphic.

[@Max-dv1kq]

mop times man..its been a long time since this got introduced😂

[@schwegburt3002]

@@Max-dv1kq And Mages have complained about it since MoP. I don't know who at Blizzard had a boner for RoP but they managed to keep it in the game for a long ass time.

[@TLTeo]

One thing they completely missed the mark on is they said they want to free up points in the Arcane tree to let us pick more utility, but the utility nodes still compete against throughput. Even with 1-2 more points we're still not casting supernova or whatever.

[@Stevezftw]

This is a good change in my opinion. Any time you get pushed out of rune of power it becomes very dissatisfying.

[@Jazza889]

I do think that mass barrier is a lot stronger than people give credit - 15% magic DR is pretty huge for 4 people and should actually account for a significant absorb over the course of the fight with shifting power reducing its CD as well

[@QPoily]

Holy shit, Rune of Power being gone might bring me back to retail. I didn't quit cause of RoP specifically but I just want to experience what mage feels like without being tied to RoP. It's got to feel so damn good being able to pop CDs and just Shimmer around to dodge swirlies without it massively gimping your DPS.

[@enigmabis.]

Its been 10years sitting in a 10yard rune, finallyyyyyyy

[@schlootle]

Playing Arcane rune of power felt kinda ok to use because you have a rotation and cooldown timers that work perfectly for it. Now fire and frost just feels super awkward to use. Ill be glad to see it gone, im surprised it took this long. They took away Tiger Eye Brew from Monks after like 1 or 2 expansions because it felt bad to have a class do no damage outside of a non major CD window

[@joshuawoodard6998]

Rop felt good when you could get full uptime and no move bomb out mechanics. Of course you could learn to hold it until after certain mechanic timers. Mage will definitely be less bursty across all 3 specs, but I for one will not miss it.

[@BenJonesart]

I really wish it gave some form of group mechanic and make it just a buff CD....make it 3 min cooldown/ 1.5 sec cast 20% increased magic damage for party be the caster version of windfury

[@sel6325]

They way combustion works in cata was fun to play. I hope they bring something similiar😊

[@joshuawoodard6998]

Seriously. I loved fire in cata. I guess it was kinda simple, but it was satisfying!

[@Tkzlol]

Rune was far less toxic to play around than what incanters is going to be. I'd rather them just get rid of both and give us a dmg buff, or make up some alternative that isn't as toxic.

[@classicsignofgivinguponaus3685]

Still getting a 15% aura buff, but yeah Incanters Flow is just going to force people to hold CD's (even if for a shorter period of time) to maximise output.

[@benningtonjohnson1344]

Shifting power also needs to get deleted. It's not engaging gameplay or anything.

[@misterchat17]

hope rop still be avaible on a cosmetic glyph :)

[@arinji1241]

Im getting rune of power tattooed on my chest! I will miss it but 40% spell damage is too damn high.

[@classicsignofgivinguponaus3685]

Getting a 15% aura buff to compensate and we have been locked into Incanters Flow.

[@classicsignofgivinguponaus3685]

Pushing 21's as frost feels so gigahard it makes me want to reroll. We have very subpar 3-5 target count AoE. Even in big uncapped pulls (which are limited) we get beaten by almost all specs. Frozen orb just doesn't do enough damage so when you get the quick resets, yes it feels good to do SOME damage, but shouldn't it be rewarding? Blizzard is literally just a filler spell to gain faster Orb resets, it hits like a wet noodle. Our tier set is criminally under tuned. I was expecting it to fill the void of our 3-5 target count, but shattered ice just does 3% of our damage. Yes, I understand it's free damage and the gameplay feels good to actually cast flurry in AoE rather than > Blizz > Orb > Lance spam. My ele shaman 16 ilvl's lower does a considerable more amount of DPS in AoE (not quit as hard hitting in single target). The old gameplay of frost was doing great AoE with very good funnel damage on prio mobs. This feels lost now. Having destro locks/Demo locks/Boomies/SP/Hunters/Wars/Rets all bursting 400-500k DPS on big packs and im sitting there at 280k. I don't know, feels giga weak. With the removal of ROP, having IP count from all sources of damage isn't really going to be that beneficial as the whole reason was the rune reset. I'm just hoping frost gets some much needed love and attention. I dont want to be the giga broken class, I just want to be competitive with other classes. In the keys i'm running I am almost always 20-50k DPS behind on fort weeks. Side note: Why are blizzard keeping Incanters Flow, just get rid of it already.

[@Waliant8349]

So we can now have 3 invis spells?

[@benningtonjohnson1344]

Yah, it's kind of overkill and/or lackluster.

[@trippaloz3037]

not happy bring it back

[@andrewpaige9152]

I still have rune of power it's stupid I use the other option

[@djbcubed]

Really hoping they fix the mess that is infinite icy veins frost. Personally I am not a huge fan of the Arcane or Fire rotations as they currently stand, but I also don't think Blizz will change their rotations very much...maybe in AoE based off their stated goals?

[@feelfresh77]

Hope they delete or at least change Mana Gem so it just is a spell buff and Not an actual item in the Investory with stacks

[@quintit]

yea lol, having to delete it to recast is just weirdge as well

[@Eggonak]

I really really hope they don’t involve flamestrike. It needs a major rework because it’s so clunky to use and unfun

[@EnriqueGonzalez18362]

If it is not flamestrike, then, what is it? Either they come with a new AoE Spell, or we stay with ignite spread, and in all honesty, ignite spread won't work in lower keys, at all... Your main ignite target is killed too fast, way before you can spread a significant amount, and when it spreads, the rest of the trash pack is almost dead 🥲We as fire mages can't compete with that, specially if you're in the need of pugging all your keys as I am.

[@luqmanhaqim8087]

these changes for arcane are quite disappointing. they could have taken the liberty to redesign arcane from the ground up but it seems like they only made improvements to already-used talents, and making orb barrage relevant. I would have liked to see mana gem and siphon storm go away, and a rework of radiant spark and arcane harmony.

[@luqmanhaqim8087]

in particular, I would like arcane to be more intuitive and sequential. it should be the direct-damage version of demonology. demonology has a fluid and sequential rotation that changes based on the number of imps and soul shard refunds. demonology can also detonate its imps. arcane should be able to detonate totm at will.

[@Brainman234]

Just bring back Arcane Power talent. Make Mana Gem self utility 1 point upper tree Remove Radiant spark Arcane Harmony can stay as it is for now - although would need a sweep rework. Make Touch of the Magi explode for a % of damage you pumped into it for AOE Oh an fucking remove the 5 Target cap already no need for us to have it

[@markuslc1888]

i am glad blizzard finally reacts to the extremely bad design in which mage currently is, but although i am really glad the remove this dogshit RoP there is still so much more needed to make all 3 specs feel good. being a range spec and having most utility in melee range feels terrible. the arcane ramp is still too long and is still too punishing. frost needs a rework with a similar impact as ret pally. with fire if they wanna bring back flame strike, flamepatch needs to be a dot not a ground effect, and there needs to be a different way for aoe in between CDs apart from hard cast spamming FS and feeling like a wet noodle. FS needs to proc a hot streak. and either they need to remove SKB or rework it. can't be, that demo WLs doggy enhancing buff last forever and SKB only 15sec! and 30sec in between stacks. this entire uptime BS needs to go away, especially for frost but also for fire. remove kindling, redesign SKB and rework the other capstones. there is so much design rework needed and there should be less punishing gameplay, if i do a mistake as a WL hardly no one noticed it, if you do one mistake as fire or arcane it's mega rip dmg...this has nothing to do with high risk high reward, it's high risk keeping up. if you're not an echo/liquid high end HoF mage player you won't ever keep up, at least VOTI felt that way especially on the last 2 bosses. if you play such a difficult spec perfectly you shouldn't get out dpsed by BM hunters.

[@arainbowinthedark2]

Make Supernova great again FFS.

[@kkikz8231]

Incanter's flow is pure cancer why are the forcing it upon us wtf... im quitting if it goes through xD

[@gohomehero]

Honestly I wish they'd rework mage into a slower casting but heavier hitting class. Mage should feel like they have the most powerful spells but to me it feels like I'm throwing 10,000 puzzle pieces at my enemy that coalesce into OK damage. I wish Arcane mage would lose arcane blast and would mainly use arcane missiles which can hit more than a single target, even arcane surge could turn into a channeled laser beam or something more interesting than a small explosion you cant even see. Fire mage should be throwing car sized pyroblasts that hit harder than any other ST ability and meteor should def be in their kit. Frost honestly is kinda okay I feel like it has way more class fantasy and interesting mechanics. TLDR I wish they'd slow down mages from the crack head class they feel like currently and give them slower but more impactful abilities.

[@davidk7439]

I think you're playing the wrong MMO at this point if you want to slow mage down even more. Fire mage is already *the* class associated with hard-casting, since SKB and pyroblasts in general already have crazy windup. If you want it to just be chain-hardcasts that take 7-8 seconds each, be my guest by playing classic. Compared to everyone else, mage is already REALLY slow, even for spell-casters.

[@medoueslati2004]

tbh i like the flamestrike aoe gameplay waaay much better than ignite spread

[@JVL1988]

It really isn’t. Flame patch is dogshit and hardcasting flame strike even during combustion at high enough target counts felt horrible.

[@medoueslati2004]

@@JVL1988 well it's a matter of prefs i miss the that gameplay the ignite style felt rly terrible ngl

[@benningtonjohnson1344]

Have the skeletal mage a thing... multi strike cooldown. Why is shifting power a thing? #oof Any class would have to take shifting power of they had access to it, and its garbage. Here, stop casting your dps to cast this... just so you can get your cooldowns faster? Wtc!

[@lendial]

i wish every class got this much rework and attention

[@onur7200]

''this much'' lol

[@onur7200]

fire mage's play style same since legion omfg

[@benningtonjohnson1344]

You're joking right?