Why is conservative comedy so weird?? Rob Schneider vs Tim Heidecker

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Join me, Maggie Mae Fish, as I delve into conservative comedy from two very different perspectives: Rob Schneider and his show Real Rob (actual conservative comedy), and Tim Heidecker's standup special An Evening with Tim Heidecker (satire of conservative comedy).
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Media referenced:
Real Rob (2015)
An Evening with Tim Heidecker (2020)
Saturday Night Live, NBC / Broadway Video
Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo (1999)
The Animal (2001)
The Hot Chick (2002)
I Now Pronounce you Chuck and Larry (2007)
Betime Stories (2008)
You Don't Mess With the Zohan 92008)
Click (2006)
Rob (CBS)
Hitting the Breaks (PureFlix)
Tom Goes to the Mayor (AbsoLutely)
Big Bang Theory
Brooklyn 99
Steven Crowder KZbin channel
Real Time with Bill Maher
Dave Rubin standup comedy set
Us (2019)
Key and Peele (Comedy Central)
Charade (1963)
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List of Rob Schneider offensive characters: screencrush.co... and www.thedailybe...
Comedians featured toward the end of the video:
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This video is part of the series Maggie Talks About Movies

[@LindsayEllisVids]

It is just wild to think that Rob Schneider was once an actual movie star who didn't need to self-fund

[@MaggieMaeFish]

Watching clips from his old films feels like ... lifetimes ago

[@CelticShae]

Rob Schneider is the ultimate proof that capitalism doesn't reward quality and innovation.

[@redsands1001]

@@CelticShae CATS is further proof it doesn't Understand quality and innovation

[@xtlsvideopodthelaststate1843]

That's what happens when you piss away all that Deuce Bigelow money.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

@@CelticShae Hey lol. Rob might take offense to that. Even if it is true lololol.

[@WTFPr0m]

I sometimes engage in masochistic media behavior, but the fact that you subject yourself to Real Rob on purpose made me literally gasp

[@brunoyuji9203]

There's morbid curiosity and then there's Maggie Mae Fish.

[@sarahwatts7152]

Agreed... (I'm still amazed Netflix would host this on their platform. There are enough people wo are cool with this - and actually watch it??)

[@quayzar1]

@@sarahwatts7152 I don't think I've ever met someone that didn't hate-watch Real Rob.

[@jnnx]

What’s more, she inflicted it on US, her video viewing audience. I will forgive, but I will not forget. . .

[@stephengrigg5988]

Nothing must ever happen in your life if you're literally gasping at that

[@alexfoley4744]

The color grading in robs show makes me feel like they’re going to sell me a cleaning product

[@X_ultraviolet_X]

oh my god you’re re totally right, its graded like a commercial!

[@xmlthegreat]

As someone who has color graded commercials... Don't insult my work like that! Our footage was never this bad!

[@TheHeadbanger93]

It makes me want to drink cleaning product.

[@josiahsophia8938]

Or male supplements

[@Ungtartog]

When did the color pallete become part of comedy theory?... I'm confounded as fuck.

[@brookstarkington]

I have a friend who was just getting started as a freelance sound editor back then. Real Rob was one of her first gigs. If you think it can’t get worse, I saw preproduction Real Rob and oh boy, it’s worse.

[@FriendlyCroock]

lol Do u Moe Rons realize that there's no such thing as "conservative comedy"?

[@FriendlyCroock]

There is fascismowoke comedy and then there are comedians that try to stay away from it.

[@FriendlyCroock]

Is South Park also "conservative comedy"? How about Hollywood in the past. Hollywood has always been more in line with the modern conservative. Are you saying that every comedy film from the 80s, the 90s, even the 2000s is "conservative comedy"? 😂

[@FriendlyCroock]

When will u Iosers realize that u'r the new movement of weirdos trying to change everything and the rest of us are... just there? lol We aren't "doing" anything.

[@averyetvspecial1487]

@@FriendlyCroockWho are you talking to, kiddo? And yes, South Park is conservative comedy. Those two guys are libertarians and sloppy satirists who think yelling ethnic slurs counts as a joke. They have other talents but they’re not liberals and would be offended if you implied as much.

[@joshm977]

Real rob feels like what would happen if bojack horseman wrote bojack horseman

[@THICCTHICCTHICC]

Norm McDonald in this video says 3 words and it's funnier than anything Rob has ever done in his career somehow

[@LordSathar]

Maybe people of younger generations have a problem relating to anything in s sincere fashion that makes them uncomfortable and feel more comfortable with everything shrouded in a mask of cynicism.

[@joshm977]

@@LordSathar i’m pretty sure we just don’t like poorly written garbage

[@ok-eu5nq]

@@LordSathar thinking a thing is of low quality isn't the same thing as being made uncomfortable by something

[@Nick_J_]

Aka (the canonical) The Bojack Horseman Show

[@thefollowingisatest4579]

Margaret Miller can never die. Judging by how good she looks for 86, it is clear that Werther's Originals are the secret to immortality.

[@drphiI]

Tim actually has a really good quote about his special that relates exactly to what you said: *"It’s a fundamentally funny thing for me. On the surface, [he’s] an entirely narcissistic bully, and then you can play off some really sad, pathetic qualities in that person. I’m glad you picked up on that. It’s woven throughout. If you read between the lines of this character, he’s in a really bad place, he’s an alcoholic, he’s got a bad relationship with his wife ... or ex-wife."*

[@bradleykoperski7198]

It takes alot of charisma and balls to do a set like Tim's becaue you risk the audience not laughing at the intentional bad humor and also thinking that is your actual personality, but he pulled it off.

[@anyotherdayortime]

Stewart Lee has made a career out of doing a similar thing to Tim's "An evening with tim heidecker" special, if you havn't seen any of his specials (or the series he did for the bbc) i'd recommend trying to find them. One of his recurring bits is telling a joke, it not getting a laugh or as much of a laugh as he wanted, then stopping the show to explain the joke to the audience in a patronising manner, scolding them for not getting the joke.

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

I usually find Tim's comedy doesn't hit for me. Its not that he's never funny, but often his material is somewhere in the land of committing too hard to not going hard enough or just going really hard on something that wasn't interesting enough to go hard on. You're right that not being funny in just the right way that its funny is hard... and I don't think he pulls it off.

[@m0rthaus]

@@SolarFlairIsBestPony Thats cool, not everyone has the same sense of humour. Though if you can watch Tim & Eric Awesome Show Great Job and tell me it's just not funny, well then you might have severe unhumoritis. Don't worry though - it's curable.

[@the.SteamingVegan]

I get it though. It's hard to understand Tim's humor once he starts merging reality with his fantastical bits. Sometimes I can't tell what he's going for and I want to laugh but I just don't get it. That being said, tim and eric is one of favorite shows of all time

[@andreascollet9644]

I think starting a set by fucking with a microphone stand for 10 minutes is a pretty good indicator to everyone that you’re doing a character

[@djcactus]

A guest called into Tim's show office hours to say they saw Schneider in stand up recently and he was lifting full segments from tims stand up, which is utterly mental

[@Blech-h9z]

He stole from JoKoy too.

[@Sampoochy]

Ooh I’ll need to find that clip. You don’t think the caller was being cheeky?

[@nathanm1033]

Time stamp and episode number?

[@djcactus]

@@nathanm1033 this post was a year ago. Work from there 😂

[@nathanm1033]

Nah I'm good. It would have been worth a click, though. Saw it was from a year ago but thought maybe you would have had a memory like, "oh it was the one with Fred Armisen" or something like that. I do have a vague memory of him talking about Schneider.

[@pyenapple]

One thing i found extra amusing about Tim’s standup is that he’s been working on those “jokes” for over a decade, honing the character at actual standup nights. There are a ton of clips on youtube, it’s a real trip watching them and feeling the pure repetition of it as he develops his anti-timing timing.

[@chrisbarnett5303]

I saw him and Gregg Turkington years ago and he was already a master at playing a hack right wing comedian.

[@rpm9693]

Agreed, I think he has been developing the character for years and probably has felt compelled by current events to put these right wing Hollywood types on blast. I mean the OCATC character has gone totally right wing over the last two seasons.

[@Danbecker000]

I remember seeing like 3 different versions of Tim's "Coke vs Pepsi" bit on youtube over the years, and I thought each time it was funnier than the last. When I found out he had done a full special I was super pumped, and it didn't disappoint one bit.

[@lampini]

@@rpm9693 oh yeah to me this comedy special is part of the on cinema extended universe

[@jeremylippmann5621]

@@rpm9693 OCATC is quite possibly the best kept secret in comedy. The trial of Tim Heidecker is its zenith.

[@OGRE_HATES_NERDS]

“deuce bigalow and the animal, staples of 2000s basement high shcool parties everywhere” of course they were staples. rob schneider is the stapler

[@popnlocknes]

Rated PG-13

[@michaels.9894]

how could you leave out his career defining role as a carrot?

[@nateb4543]

A carrot!

[@erikbarrett85]

Rated pg13

[@1993wethebest]

My man lolol

[@HexZero]

Rob Schneider boldly answering the question "what if Curb your Enthusiasm but not funny?"

[@orpheuscreativeco9236]

😁 Curb Your Enthusiasm is _not_ funny. But Rob definitely took a hard-right, I agree there. ✌️

[@NinjaRabbit29]

@@orpheuscreativeco9236 what does this comment even mean, Curb Your Enthusiasm is very funny and Rob is just… not

[@orpheuscreativeco9236]

@@NinjaRabbit29 Rob Schneider is '90's funny, but that humor didn't age well. In my opinion, Curb Your Enthusiasm is one of those shows that everyone agrees is good ( like House, or Dexter) but they are super overhyped and don't offer any of the substance that such hype would warrant. Just my opinion, you don't have to agree. ✌️

[@johncrane3858]

Curb your enthusiasm if not self aware

[@Stonewren]

I am forever thankful for Tim Heidecker's work promoting Shrek The Third

[@FunkyM217]

Wait, What? This is Brand new Information!

[@schtuff.8207]

@@FunkyM217 Oh its the best. They had their whole myspace page decked out in Shrek 3 galore.

[@kashthrills]

@@schtuff.8207 14 years ago yesterday rest in RIP remember shrek 3 the good times and now enjoy shrek 3 on DVDDDDDDDDDDD

[@salvadordollyparton666]

did you have a stroke?@@kashthrills

[@kashthrills]

@@salvadordollyparton666 shrek off

[@MarioBarrio42]

One time I discovered that I had heat exhaustion after working in the sun all day with the help of Rob Schneider. I was driving home from the job site and a commercial for an upcoming Rob Schneider stand-up concert came on the radio. As I was driving I started laughing at the sample jokes that were part of the commercial and I knew something terrible had happened to my brain and quickly pulled over to get some hydration.

[@AlecArmbruster]

This is a modern day horror story. Glad you’re okay!

[@left4twenty]

For some reason my brain parsed this as Schneider helping you do the work, rather than helping you make the discovery 😅

[@CrashExhibition]

@@left4twentytimes are tough for Rob. I hear he’s roofing these days

[@left4twenty]

@@CrashExhibition I heard he's just getting really method for his next role, rob schneider as "The Roofer"

[@label_me]

Bravo

[@Scrambles_Deathdealer]

I could have gone my whole life without knowing that Real Rob existed. Why did you have to crush my blissful ignorance?

[@7bean3]

What's worse is I had forgotten it existed and now I am reminded.

[@theramplocal]

In my mind the last movie rob Schneider did was deuce Bigelow male gigolo.

[@EsotericFood]

@ 14:13 he actually accurately described how panics around serial killers distract from the fact that many, many people experience violence from people they know instead

[@eliasmg9144]

14:04 actually but yeah that's a pwrfect description

[@EsotericFood]

@@eliasmg9144 I’d put down the time for when he’d finished it, which for some reason seemed like a good idea at the time!?

[@jmackmcneill]

He din't describe it, he exemplified it. There is a difference.

[@MainelyMandy]

Fun story: Jamie Kennedy was supposed to perform at a venue here in Portland, Maine and he was a huge diva about the whole thing. Then he ended up cancelling the day of because not enough people bought tickets. The owner did a local showcase instead and honestly it was better.

[@asaturn]

Tim's hair isn't slicked back, it's PUSHED back.

[@mh2120]

You know, I _used_ to be a piece of shit

[@jaredcollins6900]

I'm worried she thinks people cant change

[@caligulajones1237]

THAT'LL SLICK BACK REALL NICE!!!

[@solomonalpert4935]

I said WAS

[@jordanzinser8248]

Well she's not a baby so it should be fine.

[@skreebop]

this looks like a five-bagger+two sodas.

[@ItsHughj]

"Explaining humor is a lot like dissecting a frog, you learn a lot in the process, but in the end you kill it." - Mark Twain on the Schneidecker Paradox

[@JymDyer]

Schneider isn't humor. Heidecker's dissection is.

[@parsoniareigns]

​@@JymDyerwell that just.. cuts both ways.😊

[@jadeaslain6327]

In this case, explaining *horror* is a lot like dissecting a frog

[@ItsHughj]

@@JymDyer I'd argue humor is subjective. Half the topics talked about today wouldn't have landed as remotely funny 60 years ago (except maybe Schneider's set..)

[@ramblincapuchin9075]

If that's all it is, Schneider's bracket doesn't have a ton of followers to make it work We have a sea of comedians on this platform known as influencers. Explaining the joke is peak comedy, or it would seem so with all the reaction videos. Everybody wants in on the discussion Breaking things down that way can work, it would just seem to work best when you hold the clipboard as opposed to doing a bit. Schneider's career seems to have been being rolled up in the gig economy. It's not really his life's work, showing us the scope of humor. He's usually just the buffoon His bit is literally the Waterboy/Nicky character. He's the part of us that wants to blurt, but normally we wait for the idiot with no impulse control We're _probably_ all thinking the same thing, but nobody is that stupid to try the mob, except...

[@equinox_1822]

Why can’t I archive Rob Schneider’s face in my mind? Like every time It cuts to another shot of him it feels like I’ve never seen his face beforehand

[@laakkonen6847]

Object permanence but it's just for sad comedians

[@p0ot]

Lucky!

[@beththegreen]

This is so true

[@roreah]

Prosopagnosia, maybe?

[@shiser59]

It's because you've never seen him as a real person; even real-life Rob isn't a fully fleshed out 3-dimensional character. Hell, the roles he plays barely qualify as 2-D. They're mostly just these one-note memes on legs.

[@kyleharlan100]

Jamie Kennedy literally made a whole documentary complaining about people not loving him. Not a self reflective examination of his own neediness, but literally trying to bully people into apologizing for hating him.

[@thedamash1]

Check his KZbin channel, most videos are him saying he is great and Hollywood and the fans are wrong for not loving him it's wild

[@KingofCrusher]

Are you talking about Heckler? I didn't get that at all. Jamie Kennedy seems like a decent dude.

[@thedamash1]

@@KingofCrusher no Jamie Kennedy, he started a youtube channel recently and it's very self indulging, blaming everyone else for him being in mask 2 etc

[@coandc]

@@thedamash1 nothing points this out more than his hosting of the video games awards and how desperately he defends himself.

[@RandyBurgertime]

@@thedamash1 Heckler is the name of the documentary. It has some points, but yeah, it's mostly about how he isn't funny and can't hang.

[@Alexis01295]

I learned that Maggie has a really strong mental constitution when it comes to watching stuff that people mistakenly call 'comedy'.

[@choronos]

I wouldn't have been able to make this video. I couldn't have sat through Real Rob.

[@bk83082]

When you add in the Kirk Cameron movies, it's like eating the spiciest wings on Hot Ones and then using Sriracha toilet paper the next morning.

[@hankworden3850]

Or maybe she just has a thick head.

[@The_Fat_Fury]

Comedy is subjective. Derp.

[@krashd]

@@The_Fat_Fury Exactly, just off the top of my head there is good comedy and shit comedy, and Rob slides greasily into the latter.

[@jackteed1388]

It takes guts, Kaufman level guts, to do a bit for an entire 1hr special. Kudos.

[@jackteed1388]

Haven't seen this level of commitment to the bit since Colbert in front of congress. For those unaware: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6izk6iogaqNr7ssi=nVFNlUjHcDKGhzIi

[@odiram]

Man, if Rob Schneider had fans they’d be so pissed right now

[@Horatio787]

That's like a classic Simpsons quality joke.

[@OberynTheRedViper]

I have a co-worker that LOVES Schneider. I think he's the only person watching his Netflix show.

[@burnttoast111]

@@OberynTheRedViper Don't be fooled. The guy who funded his own show is definitely paying people to watch it.

[@Ottophil]

@@OberynTheRedViper let me guess shes a trumptard?

[@raze_]

I like him when he says "you can do it"

[@roryalexanderm]

i can watch an evening with tim heidecker with my dad and we both laugh for completely different reasons

[@kenlieck7756]

Hmmm... Actually there's a video essay on satire here on YT that claims shows like the Colbert Report are counterproductive due to situations like yours...

[@AnthonyTrudeau]

@@kenlieck7756 yes! and there's also tons of great flat earth documentaries on here as well! Not to mention the video of the angry man talking about gay frogs, gosh, so much good information!

[@kenlieck7756]

@Anthony Trudeau Actually, my girlfriend and I used to "double-date" with that "angry man" and his now ex-wife. Small world, ain't it?

[@greenaum]

@@kenlieck7756 If you mean Perspiring Erik then I worship you but I doubt you do.

[@Jeremo-FD]

​@@greenaumI believe they're talking about Alex Jones.

[@belongin]

I love how both Rob and Tim's 'Tim' persona seem to be obsessed with phony health products and use their platforms to blatantly advertise them (see On Cinema). Life imitating art imitating life.

[@redvelvetunderground]

every phony conservative grifter "comedian" pretty much does this, guys like paul joseph watson and alex jones selling supplements w soy in them while also complaining about soy feminizing men. it's core to their grift

[@greenaum]

Dude, funding your own series is expensive. The pennis add up!

[@vianniello93]

Glad I got recommended this. I've never seen comedy from either of these people but I'm aware of both of them for different reasons. It takes a lot of effort to make a video like this with such well articulated analysis. Bravo

[@ChicagoBacon]

Rob Schneider watches all the youtube videos people make about him. I can't wait for him to watch this.

[@autolycuse2554]

That's the least surprising thing I've heard today

[@KnappstersaurusRex]

Ah the Scott Adams model of terminal online brain syndrome

[@LylWren]

I don't know if that's true but the fact that it could be true tells you everything you need to know about him

[@milkitea669]

It's kinda sad. Like when he went on Game Grumps just to genuinely understand why Arin didn't like his show. He really wants to know why people don't find his stuff funny.

[@conbon3564]

@@milkitea669 I don’t think that there is a genuine desire to understand the point of view of people that don’t find him funny though. If there was than he might have the capacity to change.

[@hankwicklund2182]

Robb and Norm’s eyes look like they just walked off the set of Dune. The spice must flow.

[@thequietdreamer2186]

Less spice and more meth…

[@Fuzzycuffsqt]

I learned that Rob Schneider did not disappear in the late 90's. He has continued working. Mind blown.

[@spookrockcity]

Considering he peaked in the early 2000's, you must be about 12 years old.

[@zoyadulzura7490]

He looked in the mirror every day and said, "You can do it!" in a vaguely accented voice.

[@Olordrin]

I hate myself, but not enough to watch Real Rob. My condolences.

[@corbingarber7765]

I haven’t seen a piece of fiction that revealed so much about the person that created it since the Onision books.

[@SplendidCoffee0]

In second place for that is Ready Player One.

[@Arseniy_Arsenicum]

Contender for second place: The Room...

[@brotherjustincrowe]

Lemme introduce you guys to Warren Ellis…

[@BDCTheSloth90]

Dude, you forgot Doug Walker's The Wall

[@TheImpossiBelle]

@@BDCTheSloth90 We all tried to, why would you remind us!?

[@miserycord0666]

17:39 I really admire Dave Rubin. Dude doesn’t let being completely unfunny stop him from doing standup.

[@BadgerCommander]

Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half

[@XxTesla21xX]

It did though didn't it? Does he do stand up anymore?

[@mickeynotmouse]

"and the only funny scene in the show is..." *norm macdonald is on screen* yeah that tracks

[@BannersToTheDome]

this video is so well put together! editing goes crazy

[@TalkingVidya]

That Dave Rubin bit is so... sad, the guy is heartbroken that the public is not laughing, it really shows how if it were not because they are "warriors in the cultural war against cultural Marxism" or whatever they call themselves... no one would give them the time of the day, and they are TERRIFIED of that thought. They are not funny, they are no likeable, they are useful as long as they parrot conservative talking points, and like Milo proved a few years ago, the moment they stop being useful they will be thrown away like trash.

[@marreco6347]

That Milo thing was specially sad. He was the one altrighter that had an once of charisma and sense of humor; even when I was more center right I thought his actual views were kinda disgusting, but goddamn was he entertaining to watch. And yet, for his audience, he was just the dude they could point and say "see, we're not homophobic", an easily replaceable gay token. I hope one day he abandons the gay catholic schtick and becomes the chaos goblin that always boiled under the surface.

[@jokistm9283]

@@marreco6347 he says hes not gay anymore lmao so hes leaning more into the right wing insanity for relevancy

[@Aaronslosek]

@@jokistm9283 oh no, didn't he have a long term partner? That's honestly more sad than schadenfreude :/

[@jokistm9283]

@@Aaronslosek i wouldn't pity that freak, if his partner meant so little to him he'd leave him for some more conservative attention thats on him

[@Aaronslosek]

@@jokistm9283 oh no,I pitied the poor guy who got dumped for career purposes,Milo can (REDACTED) (BLANK SPACE)

[@paladinrose]

Today, I learned that comedy takes no prisoners, and rewards unfairly. But, every once in awhile, it gives us a Tim Heidecker or a Maggie Mae Fish. And that's pretty keen.

[@9toncrackrock601]

Check out the people listed at the end, too. I can saw with confidence that Jamie Lofthus and Ziwe are absolutely hilarious.

[@caseybillings9685]

I was sitting here at work, feeling burnt out and sad. Now I'm laughing uncontrollably at Tim's "no salt chips" joke.

[@adamgreenspan4988]

I have to admit laughing somewhere between ironically and unironically at his ultimate dad joke, “Keith Rural”. The corniness there of this incredibly telegraphed joke is -chef’s kiss-.

[@dabmane]

Ridged chips.

[@SonovaBish]

I've made that joke and I'm a dad. Grade A dad joke

[@anguskeenan4932]

I love that your roast of the time machine joke was infinitely funnier than the joke itself 😂

[@rayrayfad3654]

I like how Tim always wears this outfit when he’s doing this character.

[@TheRationalPi]

Plot twist: it's not a character, Tim just gets possessed by the vengeful spirit of a boomer comedian that haunts that leather jacket.

[@a1yssum]

Neil Hamburger

[@Nicolas.Vincent]

I thought you meant the uploader for sec. I'm new here

[@drinfernodds]

The Andrew Dice Clay tuxedo

[@Djangolulu]

Yeah there are videos of him from 2009 doing this bit and he wears the exact same thing. The only difference is that he hadn’t decided to slick his hair back yet.

[@coldwarmike]

Norm can make almost anything bearable. God damn treasure that man

[@ComfortableTool86]

no one seems to understand what's funny as good as that guy

[@winstonmarlowe5254]

Yikes! Didn't you know Norm is a problematic white Christian conservative??

[@junjiito6298]

@@winstonmarlowe5254 oh screw off. Norm ain’t perfect but atleast he puts 90% of his politics out of his shit, calm down. Also we are talking about his comedy anyways.

[@donganger4936]

@@junjiito6298 pretty sure they’re being sarcastic

[@s.g.7572]

Rest in peace, you deeply closeted chunk of coal

[@Mappy8899]

Tim’s special is amazing. It reminds me of growing up watching old Just For Laughs episodes and seeing all the generic leather jacket, blazer wearing “wise guy” comics.

[@PoopiDScoop]

The thing people got mad at Shane Gillis for is like getting mad at Leonardo Decaprio saying the n-word in Django. He was imitating a racist white person as a humorous explanation for the existence of China-town in multiple cities in the US, it was basically him saying they probably have their own towns because people were racist towards them and forced them into certain areas so they didn't have to see them. /frog dissection

[@HamsterK37]

Shane is legitimately funny and spends time developing his jokes.

[@GaryGoals]

He’s never been funny, just another hack from the Rogansphere

[@heather9078]

I was really sad when Tim lost the election. :( He would have been a great district attorney for San Bernardino county. I'm also really excited for this video!

[@clamrollvideos]

As someone who once upon a time liked Bill Maher, Tim does an uncanny impression of him. From the blaming the audience, to the slicked back hair, hell Bill even started using canned laughter during the pandemic because he couldn't stand not having laughs.

[@srmofoable]

....let me guess , you stopped liking him after he dared to question your cult ideology?

[@royallebanini9375]

@@srmofoableno bc time and time again Bill Maher has shown that he doesn’t actually understand most of the topics that he brings up on his show (if you want to see some of that check out Try Harder Bill Maher by Some More News)

[@shockfactorobi]

My moment was actually seeing Bill Maher live and ironically, John Oliver live a year before that. Bill just kept doing his Real Time shtick but not in a fancy suit and became the most forgettable hour of anything I had to sit through. John Oliver, on the other hand, talked no politics and went on the whackiest tirade of international cultures, outlooks, and how French Pidgeons embody what it means to be French.

[@stevenscott9835]

agreed, saw him at the Beacon about a decade ago, and for what I paid I felt like I wasted money because it was just him regurgitating all his monologues, could have stayed home and watched reruns of RT. Plus for all his talk of legalization and progressiveness, he's had a slow and steady descent further to the right with not only his backwards views on vaccines but his antiquated commentary on the Barbie movie. @@shockfactorobi

[@richardgrier8968]

@@royallebanini9375 Exactly. How many times has Bill pontificated on a topic, only to have a guest poke holes in his ideas by introducing facts that Bill failed to include in his 'thesis'? And Bill's reaction? "Oh, I didn't know that" or the equivalent. Are you to tell me, Bill, that you weren't fully educated on the topic before you declared your 'deep insights' on national fucking television?

[@Aburaishi]

While it's true Tim Heidecker doesn't use any overwhelming visuals in his stand-up, it's worth noting that in Tim & Eric, they consistently employ a horrific saturation filter in much the same way that Rob does. The difference, of course, is that part of the joke is how revoltingly orange the characters look; basically, like much of the difference between the two, Tim uses this ironically, where Rob seems completely unaware that he's using it at all

[@EddieDubs]

The one thing that separates Shane Gillis from Schneider is that Gillis is really funny.

[@aestevalis0]

"The one who wants to kill you is already in the house." That's not a joke, that's a confession.

[@jmalmsten]

Statistically speaking... That is true.

[@Xondar11223344]

Yeah, that was super-cringe.

[@anton41]

Is it not funny or do you not want to think it’s funny?

[@aestevalis0]

Yes.

[@terezipyrope747]

I'll never understand why such a large component of boomer humour is "I hate my wife"

[@jamesboston]

Whatever you grow up with seems normal, eternal, the default. When the world changes it feels weird. You start to feel like a time traveller from another era. Some people cling to their 'normal' and some people embrace the weird.

[@47Jaspers]

I learned Maggie will take a big bite of raw corn, husk and all, just to commit to the bit

[@Xondar11223344]

I think that's just how she normally eats corn.

[@bonniea8189]

Nah she husked the bit she bit into for the bit. I apologize, I'll see myself out

[@Andrew-bn7rr]

Tim's taken enough psychedelics to break down his ego and perform satirically, Rob's ego has taken full custody of himself, playing the victim card with all the standard boomer humor.

[@billylotion]

I always knew Tim had to be on some next level shit to sus out the brilliance

[@sholem_bond]

This is why comedy is hard for conservatives. They're too anti-drug.

[@bogidrums]

I have memories of my dad telling me about the Rob Schneider "makin' copies" sketch as a kid and thinking it was hilarious. Upon rewatching it on the SNL KZbin page, I realized the sketch itself kinda sucked and what I actually found funny was my dad's impression of it and the various ways we'd incorporate it into our own life (ex. my mom telling us "would you quit quoting that sketch already?!" and us replying "the mom-sterrrr, gettin angryyyyy"). Professional Comedian Rob Schneider being outdone at his own game by an Eastern European immigrant he'd probably do an offensive portrayal of in an Adam Sandler movie.

[@Attmay]

SNL sucks period. Boomer humor reached its expiration date on 9/11.

[@han090]

I can see how you'd find it funny when you knew a guy in the office exactly like that, as I'm sure many did.

[@Johnny2Cellos]

Wow this gets a like for the title alone

[@longwaydown6959]

Such an interesting coincidence. I binged your content over the last few days and, while I'm not sure if its just something with the algorithm, but seeing this random comment of yours brought a smile to my face lol.

[@soulfuzz368]

It’s all downhill from there

[@slick_3617]

There's a wholesome joy in seeing one of your favorite KZbinrs comment on a good video you just watched.

[@harryhasselhoff9692]

You spelt only wrong.

[@MrCannatopia]

“Alone and only” lol

[@guessxwhoxitxis]

Also as much as I hate when ppl downplay the importance of mixed ppl's identities, it's real convenient that now Rob Schneider is complaining about how he has been excluded from Asian roles (he's 1/4 Filipino) when he's spent most of his career mocking Asian ppl and not advocating for his community and instead pushing harmful ableist anti-vax rhetoric.

[@gromitpesley]

mocking asian people?

[@crnkmnky]

@@gromitpesley 2:32

[@gromitpesley]

@@crnkmnky damn. I mean he’d get away with it we’re a comedy but… I don’t think he’s ever been funny

[@extremeoctane666]

"Anti vax rhetoric" lmao

[@spookrockcity]

Bro these woke zealots just need to shut up ands top being annoying. Not everything has to be viewed through the prism of race you psychopathic racist. Go outside and touch grass.

[@michaelreithmeier3887]

Thanks for recommending Rob Schneider as a comedian. What a talent. Also loved him in Jaws.

[@GregorBarclay]

Is this about an intersection between Heidecker's deliberately bad stand-up and Schneider's accidentally bad stand-up? Do I win a cookie?

[@GregorBarclay]

I won a cookie!

[@buckmoonmedia5113]

Eye-opening stuff, for me

[@cfishist]

Tim Heidecker's performance in The Comedy (2012) is a special thing. That film brutally exposes the corrosive and isolating effect of a life drenched in irony. Superb video, Maggie. Cheers!

[@chrisbarnett5303]

That movie convinced me Tim Heidecker is an amazing actor.

[@stofu92]

My favorite recent Rob Schneider anecdote is when he showed up unannounced to a Seattle open mic and did a set. The next day, a friend who worked at the comedy club : "I have had a lot of people ask me this, but you can be rest assured that Rob Schneider will not be attending tonight's open mic." Imagine being so bad that you turn people away from a public open mic.

[@0b11000100]

the difference is that it will take 8 hours to learn the lesson from Rob, but only 1 from Tim. also Tim is in on the joke. Rob isn't.

[@DahVoozel]

Release the Schniedecker Cut, Maggie, what are you afraid of! TRUE fans deserve the extended 20% longer corn eating scene! #savemartha

[@AlexanderKahrs]

I appreciate what Tim has done with this special, but the A/V technician in me nearly cried over the microphone abuse.

[@leebarbs7176]

Throw it on the rider lol

[@mechajaraxxus3510]

eh its a sm57, it'll probably sound alright

[@ledheavy26]

​@@mechajaraxxus3510AcTuAlLy it's an sm58

[@fosbury68]

"Comedians" enraged at their audience for not laughing is actually mildly hilarious.

[@NorthernKitty]

If I saw that moment, I would have thought they were doing a routine in the spirit of Andy Kaufman, the king of "anti-comedy" comedy. I never in a million years would have thought it was for real.

[@simpleagain1]

I disagree. I think it’s wildly funny

[@prophet90430]

It's funny for a different reason, I am no longer laughing with the guy and am now enjoying myself laughing at them.

[@zenkim6709]

I'd call it "tragically ridiculous"

[@Oldmissmary]

Bill Hicks was the king of that type of comedy

[@lazerblade2]

How is that a paradox? It's two comedians and one is satirizing the other. What's paradoxical?

[@alexanderdunning6586]

The real thing is trying to be funny, but isn't. The parody of the real thing is hilarious. Right wing humor is only humorous when it is parodied. Humor requires self awareness, and the right wing mindset is the antithesis of that.

[@stephengrigg5988]

​@@alexanderdunning6586I don't think right-wing comedy is only funny when it's being parodied, just like left-wing comedy isn't only funny when it is made fun of. It all just depends on who is delivering the jokes. Shane Gillis is a hilarious comedian who is right leaning. It's funny because he's criticized in this video for his "incredibly racist jokes" getting him fired from SNL and at the time of writing, he's hosting in a couple weeks. It's crazy for a company to publicly fire someone for being "too racist to work here" and then bring them back to run things a couple years later. I love Shane, that's just a really odd move for SNL.

[@RJGrady]

Rob is purporting to be a satirist.

[@froglegstastebestsalted]

​@stephengrigg5988 eh he's mid

[@middleamerican9022]

Most Americans don't understand English. Other examples of this include the endless misuse of "literal" or "ironic" or, worse, "unironic".

[@Princess_Weekes]

I need 'The Schneidecker Paradok' patches

[@MaggieMaeFish]

coming RIGHT UP

[@OGRE_HATES_NERDS]

@@MaggieMaeFish maggie pleaseaddress the edward scissorhands thing i agree

[@KRAPYBARA84]

YEE

[@jelliott8424]

Breaking a very old rule, Tim Heidecker just gets funnier when you break his comedy down to analyze it

[@spookrockcity]

Considering he isn't funny in the first place, I'll take your word for it. Even Rob has better standup than this.

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

Lol. This guy mustve loved this video

[@mj.l]

@@spookrockcityl o l

[@ANTIStraussian]

​@@spookrockcity interesting take

[@promane557]

​@@spookrockcityim sorry if you find Rob more funny then you are mentally damaged and there isn't anything anyone can to do to save you from having not just no sense of humor, but you actually have Anti-humor.

[@Hannahcantcometothephone]

Rob Schneider ending up on Pure Flix is a fitting purgatory.

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

I hear those types pay very well

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

@sludgerat3715 it's very high on the list if you're Rob Schneider, maybe top

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

@sludgerat3715 I assume lol

[@heavenly2k]

This is still my favorite video of yours 3 years later!

[@lulucool45]

oh my god you're so right, the rob shneider show looks like a mcdonalds commrcial

[@coandc]

So here’s what I think, and why I think Tim’s humor is beneficial. It’s observational humor that goes over the heads of people not acknowledging the absurdity of it. So it can really be a barometer of a person you’re just getting to know. Like the episode of On cinema at the cinema where he endorses trump. Even through all the stumbling and stammering I could see a trump supporter not familiar with heidecker to use that clip as a way to unironically (and by its nature ironically) “own the libs”. Then you’ll know to stay away from that person.

[@MissAshley42]

I learned Tim is even smarter and funnier than I thought, and I already thought fairly highly of him!

[@professorplum7025]

cringe

[@swans184]

I saw him on the H3H3 podcast and Ethan played one of his videos for him and he looked sooo unimpressed lol. Like “that’s it? A cheap knockoff that has more views than the original?”

[@facilitypro]

Rob Schneider's routine is basically reading Boomer Facebook posts.

[@TheFirefox]

I give Tim’s stand-up routine five bags of popcorn and two bags of soda.

[@Lukeduke7773]

I’m giving Stan’s, Tim’s routine up….stand….Tim’s stand-up routine 6 bags of popcorn, three large soda’s, & a family size butterfinger.

[@TheCardanoArmy]

Like this comment if you're a HOBBIT HEAD born in MARCH who wants GREGG to REVIEW MOVIES and NOTHING ELSE to get in the way! 🍿🎥

[@parsoniareigns]

Maybe we could use a time machine and go back then oh, wait there are no time machines 😂😂

[@OhanaFilms]

We are using stars for ratings now.

[@gumdood9532]

@@TheCardanoArmy Bilbo Baggins is also a personal hero of mine

[@chriscam4165]

Rob Schneider truly encapsulates the "I hate my wife" comedy trope.

[@zoyadulzura7490]

It's such a boomer joke, but boomers don't seem to like him, either.

[@Alan_Duval]

...and I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

[@NondescriptMammal]

@@zoyadulzura7490 Hahaha yes, because all tens of millions of boomers are alike.

[@JymDyer]

@@NondescriptMammal - Yeah, nobody uses the word correctly, it's just a proxy for vague ageism. I'm not proud of the fact, but Schneider and his fanbase are Generation X. Which means precisely nothing anyhow.

[@louhortonsculpture]

I was disappointed you didn’t mention one of Rob’s credits as The Stapler, and then I remembered that was a South Park joke and didn’t happen. But still, it’s my favorite movie he was in.

[@m.michaels]

I've did that but with the Animal. I thought the animal was a joke Southpark did then realized, no that ones real. Southpark did the stapler

[@jensenotte3687]

I disagree. The Carrot was much better.

[@krookyj]

@@jensenotte3687 personally im a fan of _Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb_ (2002) but you do you

[@mangokraken]

_Rated PEEGEE 13_

[@TheSyl63]

@@krookyjnailed it

[@evank000]

I saw Tim and Eric live in maybe 2011 and they just ran out onto the stage throwing papa john's pizza at everyone yelling "PAPA JOHN'S!!!!!"! I had watched them for years before that. One of my best memories

[@evank000]

Wait, just saw more of the video. Maggie do you not understand TH humor? He's a character on stage and voluntarily portrays the worst in men and people. The way you have hatred towards him betrays the fact that you don't like him or don't get it. Try again

[@billylotion]

I saw t an e back in the awesome tour days and they were as hilarious as expected even though the show was mostly to promote awesome show great job season 4 I think... It's been a long time since and Tim is just as just hilarious as ever. This video just bases an entire opinion of him based on one standup special he did. He also did/does a plethora more stuff, is she not familiar with the On Cinema at the Cinema saga and Tim's annual live Oscar special, that's always a hoot. I think this woman has no real understanding of Tim Heidecker.

[@GaryGoals]

@@evank000what are you talking about? She knows he’s a character, she keeps referring to Tim in that video as a character, calls it cleverly deconstructed, says he is viciously mocking the attitudes seen in Real Rob. Try again.

[@UzbekistaniDenzel]

Just gonna throw out there: if anyone hasn't seen On Cinema and loves Tim's humour, you desperately need to watch the entire thing. It's probably one of my favourite single pieces of any comedic show just based on how everyone develops and the multiple "arcs" every character has on what seems to be a harmless movie review show.

[@AZ-ty7ub]

On Cinema is so unique in that I don't think I ever laughed out loud at it once despite being easily one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen.

[@Aster_Risk]

The best thing is when you find other On Cinema fans commenting on videos. It's its own little world and everyone just goes with it.

[@janssenmccormick7824]

@@Aster_Risk Yeah it's great seeing fellow Greggheads on the boards

[@professorplum7025]

I think it's wrong how Heidecker constantly pretends to be special needs when those people are no laughing matter

[@ozmaozmaozmaozma]

On Cinema is genuinely my favorite pieces of comedy that has released in the last decade. I really can’t think of anything that comes close to the genius of the whole project.

[@jacobtechmeier4052]

For the uninitiated, Tim also has a limited series where he (in the same fictional version of himself as his standup) meets up with a fellow standup comic and they find each other hilarious. It’s called Tim and Gellman have Lunch. A great look at this same character from another angle.

[@illuminotmereloaded6896]

It's so absurd. I just discovered it today. It's amazing that they can make terrible jokes, lack of self awareness, and cruelty so hilarious. I just saw 1000 Cats for what I think might be the first time, even though I watched Funny or Die on HBO when it aired. That is an amazing piece. I think it doesn't translate if you don't know Gellman though. Tried to share it with girlfriend and she cringed and prayed for it to be over.

[@ralphfiennes3797]

Gellman is an underrated american treasure.@@illuminotmereloaded6896

[@cyrollan]

oh it's soooooooooooo funny!!

[@slayerduval1]

His savage mockery of Bill Maher's Club Random is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Up there with his brutal parodyof Joe Rogan. Brilliant.

[@kristiandepue5374]

Say what you want about Rob Schneider's acting, but I've never seen Daniel Day Lewis or Patrick Stewart play a stapler.

[@cornbornmike1006]

From what I’ve seen online, conservative comedians give off a major a Jeb Bush “Please clap” vibe. Meanwhile, I’m thinking either “what’s the joke?” Or “Really, that’s the joke?”

[@Novastar6]

"On Cinema at the Cinema" is some of the best comedy I've seen. Tim is a legend

[@dreamydreary]

i just wish it was easier to show to friends 😂

[@Novastar6]

@@dreamydreary ... Oh trust me, I've tried. LOL

[@nickberkawitz6451]

​@@dreamydrearyThe show is essentially the world's longest running in-joke. It isn't funny at all unless you really invest in the absurdity of the hyper-specific parody.

[@Bapuji42]

Yes, I too like my comedy, boring, repetative, and grating.

[@sean748]

​@@Bapuji42 This but unironically

[@adamnshame95]

I wasn't expecting to remember how much I miss Norm Macdonald by seeing him shit on Rob in his own show

[@PhngluiMglwnafh]

He really showcases his Angrily Insecure Hair-Trigger Reactionary Conservative character in On Cinema. If you haven't seen the Trial of Tim Heidecker, it's a four hour masterpiece

[@baxoutthebox5682]

It’s my favorite thing he’s made. Watch it once a year. The go pro show, trial of Tim, and Tim & Eric nite live are my favorites.

[@sean748]

RIP Tom Cruise Heidecker Jr

[@agrainofsalt7358]

Really good video I keep coming back to it every couple of months

[@ConnerNielsen6]

I learned that laughing at Dave Rubin is still my favorite past time.

[@zakkmiller8242]

I can never see Rob Schneiders name anymore without thinking of that South Park episode lmao. They nailed him perfectly lmao

[@GSeward]

Derp!

[@headoverheels88]

Same, and I'm lowkey convinced they ruined his career. Or at least put a final nail in the coffin.

[@DenkyManner]

The must have known he was an asshole to take him down like that

[@courtney1329]

As someone who once had a really big crush on a guy in my town who was a comic and would make lame edgy jokes, I found this video incredibly cathartic. Thank you Maggie for catering to MY specific and personal experience, haha

[@professorplum7025]

I find this comment rather shallow and pedantic.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Not that this vindicates him, but Schneider doesn't need to wear "yellowface." His grandmother was from the Philippines. People don't think of him as racially Asian because he's not "culturally" Filipino. Well, neither are Lou Diamond Phillips or Tia Carrere.

[@bobdrago69657]

Self loathing.

[@joshsweet7512]

Petition for Maggie to have a second channel devoted entirely to doing sit com music

[@brunoyuji9203]

Acapella sit com music specifically.

[@ShawnRavenfire]

I knew a comedian who was, let's just say, not nearly as funny as he thought, and pretty much remarked backstage after every show that it was a "bad crowd" that night, even if the other comedians were killing it. After a while, another comedian I knew went on stage and just did the whole set as an impression of the first guy, being arrogant and hostile toward the audience, and it was such a great bit that even people who never heard of the first guy were laughing out loud.

[@tulokthebarbrarian2033]

First Snyder, now Schneider. Peter Parker better watch out, Spider has to be next.

[@TheLANMAC]

little cheeseburgers are sweatin with Slider on the schedule!

[@Omnicloud7strife]

Sn comes before Sc, so we're going up. Spider-Man is safe. For now.

[@geraintthomas4343]

After which comes Dora the Explorer's Swiper...

[@NimhLabs]

Then she randomly starts talking about Colonel Redips from a Mega Man Spinoff game just to throw people off

[@idnyftw]

looking forward to an episode on Roy Scheider, that dude from Jaws

[@Ryan-ys3sq]

This was very entertaining and well put together. I'm late to the party but thank you for making this. Excited to check out your more recent vids.

[@Alucard-A-La-Carte]

Paul F. Tomkins and Andy Richter put it perfectly: there's no bigger indicator that a comedian has gotten lazy than when they blame the audience.

[@Elenthachat]

Andy Richter was great as Conan’s side kick and in Cabin boy it’s all been downhill for him since. isn’t Paul Tompkins dead or something?

[@dalrymplestilskin]

​@@Elenthachat PFT is still alive and still funny as hell.

[@doughboysnerdly2745]

so what does it mean when disney blames the audience?

[@Elenthachat]

@@dalrymplestilskin isn’t he a ladder puller like his contemporaries Hiedeker, Silverman and the little fat guy from king of queens

[@TrangleC]

You mean like when all those leftist celebrities and producers blame their movies and other projects failing on misogyny and/or racism?

[@Lincoln_Bio]

"...racial stereotyping and Rob Schneider, both deeply upsetting and almost synonymous topics..." Madam, I am slain.

[@greysky1252]

Is that a south park avatar? You Know, the show that does nothing but racist stereotypes?

[@Lincoln_Bio]

Ah, I see you're a fan

[@balsosnell2064]

@@Lincoln_Bio Mi’ lady.

[@alexiscondit898]

Tim's acting is most convincing when he plays an asshole. By the way, I love him. But he can definitely be intimidating.

[@calmbbaer]

I'm not one to defend Rob S., but it's really crappy that I'm four minutes in and the video has strongly implied that he's white, when really he's quarter-Filipino, half-Jewish, and quarter-misc. If you're going to talk about who should say what about race, that seems like a glaring omission at best, deception at worst.

[@jeanclaudevanswag]

Looking back, I think Maggie’s point still kind of stands because: A) Rob is still partially white and has the ability to pass as white, and has played characters who are white, which is probably why Maggie thought he was full white.. B) Does acknowledging his heritage change the fact that these depictions are still racist caricatures? Rob’s played a Native American and a Mexican; are those Asian? Also, if we can acknowledge that Long Duk Dong is racist, because even though the actor is Asian, he’s still putting on an exaggerated Chinese accent (the actor is a Japanese-American man from Utah) and written as stereotypically as possible. So even if Rob was probably cast in these roles because he looked ethnically ambiguous, it doesn’t take away the fact that the characters he’s playing are blatant caricatures (Rob has done literal brown face too), and that Rob can lean into whiteness when it benefits him, something that he could not do if he were full Filipino.

[@crittermoded]

Imagine if real life looked like Real Rob's color grading

[@mmmghool]

I’d start wearing sunglasses everywhere

[@IIIllIIIIlllIIIlIl]

Try mushrooms

[@DeathByEric]

All that blue/orange contrast, it's like a damn Michael Bay production.

[@tracyh5751]

Whenever I think of washed out comedians who get mad at their audience for not laughing at 20 year old jokes I think of Seinfeld.

[@richmahogany1]

I think if Jerry Seinfeld is too offensive for you, you've become too "woke."

[@tracyh5751]

@@richmahogany1 Who on earth said anything about being offended. Brother hasn't updated his jokes since Bush was in office.

[@Calcagno1988]

@@richmahogany1 Or he’s just mad that the 18 year olds don’t want to date him any more.

[@gladitsnotme]

@@Calcagno1988 You mean 15 year olds

[@TheDanteEX]

Seinfeld's jokes are literally those "So what about airplane food?" *nudge nudge* type of jokes that are parody now lmao

[@royalbandit8106]

So if y'all didn't know Game Grump (a lets play youtube channel) mocked Rob's show and Rob found out, and asked to become a guest. I think I remember him spending the entire video both defending his show and confused about what Let's plays were. The video is still up if any of you wanna check.

[@himbosuplex]

Also he was AWFUL at the games and his wife was doing so much better at both the game and being a guest on the episode. They should have dropped Rob and just had her on.

[@J_Dongle]

Oh that's awesome to hear, I'll definitely be looking that up. Any idea what the first one was where they were talking about the show that made him want to come on? I'd love to see the initial source

[@The_Fat_Fury]

Game grumps? Ugh. Hard pass. Baffles me how those unfunny dudes are popular.

[@DBRX5]

Exploded in popularity with the names ​Egoraptor and Jontron, Jon leaves a year later and their strong fanbase continued to grow with many 'tards @@The_Fat_Fury

[@himbosuplex]

@@The_Fat_Fury Nobody cares, dude.

[@AaronderSchaedel]

I learned another way to express how comedy is as much about the message, as it is about the delivery.