Magic Review - Dex by Lloyd Barnes & Javier Fuenmayor

[@LloydB]

Maaaaan, thank you so bloody much for your honest and kind words. So proud to finally be able to share years of mine and Javier's work with all of you❤

[@magicorthodoxy]

everyone reading this go subscribe to Lloyd right now - let's help this man hit 100k

[@waskan.herrera]

Lloyd. Your an amazing creator. And very humble. I love your dedication to the Craft and that's one of the reasons why I delayed my gratification in picking up someone else Index. I believe in your Dex because of how much work and Value you provide. The value of Dex Far exceeds the price of the Product. This is a must buy for any serious Magician. A beautiful utility limited but your own creativity. I really appreciate your review David. Thank you for taking your time to review Dex. Keep up the great detail reviews.

[@DANIELmadison]

Madness! Great work, Lloyd, Mad Love 💛

[@donpepe9947]

Thanks David. I may be the only person in the world not knowing about Dex. Now I do.😊

[@maxxgihar61]

Is it smaller than Advocate?

[@DANIELmadison]

Brother David. When I made The Advocate index I created something that ONLY needs the deck, nothing added. How is DEX in comparison? Is anything improved with addition of this new ‘device’? Mad Love always 💛

[@deadsiderwashere]

Its strange, as someone who uses an advocate, from the review I'm not sold on the product (at least for cards) but the video sounds worth picking up. I know I always recommend the advocate, there is an amazing elegance to the simplicity of it and you can include the aces and a couple gaffs with practice too.

[@AntonioGee]

Mr. Madison , Daniel Madison, Daddy Maddy FANX for releasing The Advocate! I couldn't agree more, the simplicity of it makes it so genius. Even though they say you can drive over DEX what happens if it does break, can't perform untill you buy another and wait for it to be delivered but if something happens to The Advocate you can go to the gas station and pick up a deck of cards and you're set! With this release it's official, nothing can beat The Advocate. Laughable that the only con is counting , simple math is a no go for a great tool apparently.

[@jamesclark3239]

Tbh I don't think the advocate can be beaten, as you said nothing added you could even empty your pockets later in the evening without arousing suspicion and I'm guessing takes up less space and can be used as a backup for your other effects

[@Ck_magic]

Thanks for the amazing review! I’ve been anticipating this for ages and because of your review I just picked one up! You’re the best

[@magicorthodoxy]

Glad I could help!

[@kenzini]

Great review, David! Before, I didn't think that I wanted this, but now you have convinced me that I do. I've never worked with an index and this looks like the one to get started with. You answered all of my concerns. Thanks for your honesty, David!

[@magicorthodoxy]

Glad I could help!

[@josekaz]

I'm so happy that the wait it's finally over and it was worth it. Can't wait to get mine

[@magicorthodoxy]

Hope you enjoy it

[@eyewaves...]

Really straight up review - it gives me an idea whether to purchase it or not - DEX tool does sound promising ! I like both of these card tricksters, Lloyd and Madison.

[@magicorthodoxy]

me 2

[@themagicbuzz5728]

Even though I already ordered it I still watched your full review…your insights are always welcome, thank you.

[@magicorthodoxy]

Awesome, thank you!

[@joe51261]

Great character shown by your humbleness. Makes our hobby that much more respectable. Thank you for DEX and thanks for being in our livelihood/hobby!

[@magicorthodoxy]

Thanks Joe

[@daverothberg2624]

I had to wait for your review. Was on the fence. Lloyd and Javier are excellent. Thanks David 👍👍

[@magicorthodoxy]

i'll compare the top 3 in the member's section

[@62terrykit62]

Ordered mine yesterday morning. Can't wait to try it out

[@magicorthodoxy]

hope you like it

[@pepsteruncini]

Could you say more on how you arrived at supporting Daniel Madison so much? I do love his content. I have subscribed to his channel and learned good stuff from him, as I had done in the past. I am interested in listening from you why you chose to support him so much. It's kind that you're doing it. -Loved the review, btw.

[@chaddavis1]

Did you watch the live yesterday? Murphy's already sold out. All of England sold out. Holy crap. So happy for Lloyd Barnes and his lovely wife Kaylee. Watching them take in the moment with donuts. This is a huge win for the magic community. For creators, distributors, retailers and the magic public. A high tide floats all ships and yesterday was a tsunami.

[@LloydB]

Wow. Thank you so much Chad for your beautiful words. I really appreciate it. Regarding the donuts... yesterday there were 8.... now, there are uhhh... not 8 😂

[@magicorthodoxy]

WOO HOO !!!!

[@jith4627]

Most awaited 😅 Thanks David! How do you compare this with Daniel Madison’s index ?

[@VimalKerketta87]

Thats a really good review. I already bought it yesterday from Penguin. Now just have to wait for it arrive, and see the tutorial. Already made up my mind, that will be practicing this alot until I get it as good as Lloyd and Javier. Cant wait :D

[@magicorthodoxy]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@TheOviz75]

38th like and 26th comment. I’ve been following Lloyd Barnes for ages and when he first announced this project I was super excited! Especially after he showed us a glimpse of what this DEX can do… can’t wait to have it in my house!! Thanks for your review David

[@magicorthodoxy]

what is your icon? A flag?

[@TheOviz75]

@@magicorthodoxy yes, it’s supposed to be the Italian flag + the British flag + 2 syringes … it’s should states that I’m an Italian nurse in the UK

[@luke9119]

Ordered the moment it came out. All the instruction that’s included seems so well worth the money by itself, especially if you’re new to all this. I mean, it sounds like it covers so many slights, effects etc

[@magicorthodoxy]

it's a masterclass

[@TheHobbyistMagic]

It’s finally here! Great review 🙏

[@magicorthodoxy]

Yes! Thank you!

[@darrenhadden1037]

Never used a caed index ever. This sounds great 🎉 Thanks David great review 🎉🎆✨🎉

[@magicorthodoxy]

Thanks for watching!

[@darrenhadden1037]

@@magicorthodoxy Cheers David 🎉✨

[@magiciansantoshkumar3486]

Thanks for the excellent review.

[@magicorthodoxy]

My pleasure!

[@krissanta7208]

Amazing David! Thanks again for this epic Review!

[@magicorthodoxy]

My pleasure!

[@Stan_dart]

Appreciate your speed :-) Lucky one to get an early access... btw, it's almost sold out everywhere...

[@magicorthodoxy]

I dont doubt it

[@michaelprincipato9980]

I have been using Daniel Madison's for years. And love it.

[@magicorthodoxy]

its one of the best !!

[@michaelprincipato9980]

@magicorthodoxy it is my edc people ask me to do a trick. I just tell them to think of a card, I say some random card they say wrong I just say oh the card in my pocket. That floors that them every time.

[@mentalistonashoestring]

WOW!!! Fasted review up I have every seen! But great review and glad you got there first :)

[@magicorthodoxy]

the elves at my house worked all night

[@MarkDavies-s3g]

Great video David and thanks

[@magicorthodoxy]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@stephendevonroux]

Great review

[@magicorthodoxy]

thanks !!!

[@guest3997]

Hi David, great review of a long awaited magic tool. The review is thorough, thoughtful, informative, candid and enjoyable! Thank you so much for all you do! Your friend, David

[@magicorthodoxy]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@chrisharrelson66]

Thanks Dave. I've been waiting for this. I think I'll keep using what I've been using for a few years now. I just use a regular tuck case with a couple extras. I can still use the aces AND Jokers. I may buy it mostly for the videos.

[@magicorthodoxy]

the videos alone are a gold mine

[@caseace79]

It hurts my heart to say this but I used to love Daniel Madison. Bought almost every product he came out with since Dangerous: Mystique and Motion. And I agree he is an amazing card mechanic, video creator, and teacher. However his abysmal customer service has to be mentioned. I preordered his book 52 way back in November of 2018 and never received it or got my money back. There is no way to contact him. Doesn’t answer anything in the comments of his videos, never answers any DM on any of his social media, never answers any email. I’ve heard that the only way to get him to respond to anything is to become part of his patreon and I refuse to spend money to get an answer on a simple customer service question on a product I’ve already paid for. It’s a shame that someone that I used to think of as an idol and mentor I now look at as a thief. I guess that’s my fault to some extent for trusting a self proclaimed card cheat. Honestly a shame.

[@davidpalmiter3903]

Thanks David. If you could buy only one would you go for Dex or Cheetah?

[@magicorthodoxy]

it's really preference at that point - I think Cheetah is less visible, has a smaller profile, but takes up more real estate

[@gullion111]

Great review... Great index.

[@magicorthodoxy]

Thanks for watching

[@donpodlas5546]

Good review David! One question: Does the index have to be anchored down to any extent to enable the extraction of a card or can the index be placed a nice large roomy pocket, perhaps in a zip hoodie or the like? Take care and be well sir...

[@magicorthodoxy]

no anchor needed

[@kyleleon85]

Without knowing anything about the mechanics or nuances of Dex, I will say that The Other Brothers’ pocket index that comes with their effect, Card to Pocket, has a really nice concept borrowed from a classic principle that is actually really clever and efficient. Imagine The Advocate by Daniel Madison but with an additional principle that makes The Advocate twice as good, easily. I would be curious about how Dex compares to the Card to Pocket Index where the gimmick is actually quite minimal.

[@magicorthodoxy]

a lot of people love Daniel Madison's version - it's been very trustworthy

[@kyleleon85]

@@magicorthodoxy Madison’s can be a little finicky with the thumb stuff depending on the suit. The Other Brothers’ incorporates an old principle that, in my opinion, makes The Advocate obsolete :) Great review David!

[@Moviemaniac221]

just grabbed my own with the MCF cards, do you think it's safe to say you can use it for Christian graces switch one? never used it bc the speed to get the card from his index i could never do fast when the heat is on. hoping the speed of this and its function could work with Christians effect

[@seanfaherty]

I can’t wait

[@magicorthodoxy]

hope you like it

[@riesp8517]

Thanks David. Is it possible to use it while seated behind a table?

[@magicorthodoxy]

I think that would be hard

[@LloydB]

Andrew Neiner uses it this way and actually teaches all of his nuances and subtleties on how to use it effortlessly with table work in the tutorial :)

[@riesp8517]

thanks @@LloydB

[@droidx1191]

I have not used an index yet, but I plan to buy this when it becomes available in stock, probably at VI.

[@magicorthodoxy]

i'll be comparing the top 3 index in the member section

[@andresilveira6818]

Obrigado David 👊👊

[@magicorthodoxy]

😎

[@thecybermedium]

To be fair, when Lloyd first trailed his fastest ever index he said it was coming out in “September”. More fool us for jumping to the conclusion it was September last year! 😂😂 PS Know the truth, and I’m happy to have waited whilst they perfected it. It looks great, and look forward to the arrival of mine tomorrow. :) PPS Thanks again for all your reviews. 👍

[@magicorthodoxy]

hope you like it

[@thecybermedium]

Me too. I’ve been waiting for almost 40 years to get an index. Was glad I shifted around my meeting yesterday so I could watch the launch and get into the queue early as it sold out soooo quickly.

[@BAM_magic]

Good review David! By the way, I'm sorry I've taken so long, but I'm still getting out reviews of your tricks!

[@magicorthodoxy]

No worries!

[@JVic_JustJohn]

How does this compare to Indexed by Marrah Miraculous, which fits into a standard tuck case and has room for the 4 aces

[@Dark_Aves]

I've been using Daniel Madison's Advocate index for a long time now. Is what DEX brings to the table worth making the switch?

[@magicorthodoxy]

If something works for you, stick with it

[@thesohmagician2991]

Does it last forever? It only works with ONE deck right?

[@magicorthodoxy]

one deck at a time

[@RollTonight]

Very happy to see the review. Sounds like much of the hype is justified. I have two idiosyncratic questions. One, you mention vinyl, but is there any exposed latex on the index? Two, could you fit tarot size cards in it? Thanks!

[@magicorthodoxy]

I cant answer the exposed latex question, but no it wont fit tarot unless they stood vertically, or you folded the cards

[@RollTonight]

@@magicorthodoxy thank you. If it helps I meant exposed latex as in does it have a rubber band on it.

[@keithwolfe-festivalandstreet]

Whats the reset like? Will you have to take out of the pocket? Or can you reset it in the pocket and is it just as easy to relaod as it to take the card out? Smilesotheylikeyou

[@magicorthodoxy]

i'd take it out of the pocket

[@marcsimard7607]

Great review, as always, How do you compare it to Cheetah ?

[@magicorthodoxy]

how about I compare them in the member's section for you?

[@marcsimard7607]

@@magicorthodoxy that would be awesome, your the best! i have Cheetah so wondering if it is really diffrent and ‘’faster’’

[@marcsimard7607]

@@magicorthodoxy hi David, i thought you meant the basic membership page lolll i don’t have access to your video unless i upgrade my membership, wold it be possible to put it in regular membership page also?

[@magicorthodoxy]

@@marcsimard7607 it is in the basic membership

[@jhidalgof]

Any updates on this product review?

[@magicorthodoxy]

like what?

[@jhidalgof]

After using it in real performance are you having problems with yours? Is it better than the Advocate or Cheetah? Which one would you recommend?

[@magicorthodoxy]

@@jhidalgof no problems, not "better" just different. I compare all 3 in the members section - cheetah is thinner and faster I think

[@italiad1013]

One BIG POINT thats never mentioned thats critical is each persons BODY TYPE!!! If you are a slim guy straight up n down this greatly helps…if youre a body uilder or athletic built or overweight, going into how your jeans fit pocket to retrieve a card will not be as smooth as the index will be formed inside by muscle in leg, waist, etc…hope makes sense but its very true! Im a bodybuilder..for me Madisons Advocate in back pocket is best👍

[@magicorthodoxy]

yeup thats why I thought it was important to mention back pockets and how "BIG" I felt the device was

[@adamkevorkian8685]

Can you reset the card in your pocket, or would you have to take out the Dex from the pocket to reset?

[@magicorthodoxy]

i'd take it back out

[@strtkn]

Mad respect.

[@magicorthodoxy]

thanks for the visit

[@vinodfurtado]

Sir infact i never knew what index is as hobbyist, but with this trick i started researching and came to know. Is it good to start as a beginner ..seems yes. Creator stating it is a masterclass , but not sure if we need to possess some previous indexing knowledge.

[@vinodfurtado]

One question , is this index a new method or just the index that is different in quality that is already available by other versions

[@magicorthodoxy]

Different in quality

[@cwhite8023]

It looks so awesome, I just don't think it'll be for me. $75 USD is A LOT to "try" it out. I understand why the price is so high. It's just too much in case I don't feel it's in my wheel house. However, brilliant review sir. Thank you for all you do. Cheers!

[@magicorthodoxy]

Fair enough!

[@socratismichaelides3553]

I bought it immediately after release

[@magicorthodoxy]

hope you like it

[@M4n003l]

Can you review best index for you.

[@magicorthodoxy]

here ya go kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXXafaakbt9rm9E

[@garethwitty6115]

I thought Dex would be even better if the 2 parts where velcro fixed so you could use it as both a single pocket index or two pocket index? Even just one half for mentalism stuff.

[@magicorthodoxy]

If you want a 2 pocket index get cheetah

[@garethwitty6115]

@@magicorthodoxy I have been looking at that one, I do have the LPI from readmymind by Looch and it's great for a small amount of outs. I would like a unfolded billet version for other effects.

[@scotthorn8678]

What is the point of the Bud Lite cut at about 9:45 for 3 seconds ? Is this part of your review ?

[@magicorthodoxy]

that is a screen grab from one of the tricks

[@scotthorn8678]

@@magicorthodoxy. Wierd.. p.s. really enjoy your reviews !

[@tomholbrook2948]

D Madison is wild!! Very cool of you David to promote his work. Thank you for helping to helping to keep magic fun

[@magicorthodoxy]

let's get him to 100k !!!!

[@thecraft0490]

Most ppl wear a wallet in their back pocket? Strange all the guys I know do front pockets lol My wallet is so damn bulky id have to take it out every time I sat down if it was in the back. The front's easy to sit & get stuff out. But whatever works- I just never knew most did the back. Learned something new today (2 new things- learned a lot about Dex too!) 👍👍

[@magicorthodoxy]

maybe it's just old guys like me

[@magicmaxmagic]

Ordered mine yesterday

[@magicorthodoxy]

hope you like it

[@italiad1013]

And you have to tell people you did…who cares🙄

[@garvin5191]

I like the power of an index to create some very powerful effects. Dex looks like it could be a great tool. Excellent review, it went a long way to helping me better understand what, apart from the fact it is an index, this project includes/involves. I have tried a few indexes, been using advocate for quite a while, but I am interested in trying this out. With that much time and effort in development, it promises a different take on the index.

[@magicorthodoxy]

hope you like it

[@dmr778810]

"Anywhere quality magic tricks are sold," The slight, probably unintentional, shade that was thrown to certain companies (Like one both DM and LB used to work for) not having Dex is great.

[@magicorthodoxy]

I say that in all my videos. Unlike other reviewers I don't throw shade 😀

[@SebMagicXVI]

I haven't receive DEX yet but after watching your review ( thanks for it too) the first thing that pop in my mind is that I don't like when tutorial video are too long. I mean, I can get that most magiciens love it cause they learn so many possibilities with it but as a pro magician that already know a lot about magic, watching too long tutorial just bored me. We already always in front of our screen i don't feel like being an extra 5 hours in order to get teached stuff I already know. Plus, I really prefer to let my own creativity come out with ideas instead of having it stuff to me directly in my mouth with a giant spoon by other magicians. I already own the index that Daniel madison put on the market years ago, I use it, I never missed finding the right card, not even once and on his dowload he teach 1 good palming technic and about 3-4 good routine and that is all you need really. more then that is too much in my humble opinion. But hey, I still can't wait to get my hand on that one. thanks to the creators and again, thanks to you for the review!

[@LloydB]

The tutorial is split into 5 volumes and each of the volumes has super easy to navigate chapters. So you just skip through and only watch the parts that interest you. We made sure that this was incredibly easy to navigate because there's so much content. In theory, you could just watch the quick section at the start that teaches you to use DEX and then go work on your own ideas with it. You don't have to watch the whole thing, and it's structured/designed so that you can choose small portions at a time :)

[@SebMagicXVI]

wonderful then. Congrats again!@@LloydB

[@MadPaperPeople]

i have an index that has all the cards and i can bring out a card just as quick. it was half the price.. better be good.... no aces??

[@magicorthodoxy]

Stick with what you love

[@shannonsmith297]

❤

[@magicorthodoxy]

💗🧡💗

[@brentgriffin1719]

Hope it’s not like George Castanza’s wallet from Seinfeld!😂

[@georgeadcock2347]

Yeah. Like that ridiculous wallet of Jao Miranda....

[@magicorthodoxy]

lol - not that big

[@markkennedy5955]

Oh boy these two are the Kings of over the top ever reaction thumbnails. How does cheetah compare? This looks kinda bulky. People will start saying “ is that Dex in your pocket or are you just happy to see me. 😂😂😂

[@magicorthodoxy]

cheetah is certainly thinner, but takes up more real estate

[@markkennedy5955]

@@magicorthodoxy wow really thats surprising cause isnt that 26 and 26. What about indexpress 2.0? They show that in the trailer and its also a 26-26. If you cant tell im looking to get into index work. LOL

[@magicorthodoxy]

cheetah is 2 pockets and DEX is only one

[@markkennedy5955]

@@magicorthodoxy have you ever seen or heard anything about indexpress?

[@bradklaus5954]

Better than Madison’s Advocate? …by how much?

[@magicorthodoxy]

not better = better is "subjective" if you use advocate and like it - don't change

[@ndmagic99]

I have several indexes including Q and Cheetah. To me, the key question for any index is “do I have a legitimate need for this.” You have to know why you want it and what you are going to do with it. Indexes can be very strong IF you use it and that will ultimately come down to whether you have a use for it that is strong enough to warrant taking up an entire pocket (or in some cases both pockets). Pocket space is prime real estate and that’s ultimately why I’ve never used the indexes I have.

[@magicorthodoxy]

good points

[@pinballwizard666]

It may be to my misfortune but i just dont fancy it ......Cheers David

[@magicorthodoxy]

understood

[@AdrianSalamonMagic]

time to sell my cheetah index i never used

[@magicorthodoxy]

Dex is sorta like "cheetah" for 1 pocket instead of 2

[@veganbadass]

Cheetah is still very useful. Keep it for other variations. Like David says, it has the 2 section option. I use Cheetah in a nice double pocket velour bag. I have the spectator shuffle a deck and drop it into the bag...... they name a card and I pull the card are without looking into the bag.

[@AdrianSalamonMagic]

@@veganbadass better get back to practising it then :D

[@a.b.4052]

Is this review unbiased?

[@magicorthodoxy]

Everyone has a bias. How about objective? Honest? Yes

[@allenharden05]

Not every magician knows about card indexes

[@magicorthodoxy]

that's why I said "may" 😉

[@allenharden05]

@@magicorthodoxy what is your take on envylope 2.0

[@ErnieOporto]

Ordered Dex within seconds of it being on Alakazam and it was under $75 even with shipping. Madison just put out his double lift masterclass. Well worth checking out.

[@magicorthodoxy]

agreed !!!!

[@slechtweervandaag]

Sold out worldwide. So, many, many magicians will use this to replace more difficult methods in wellknown tricks. Unavoidable there will be an inflation in magic. When spectators will become aware of this gimmick, the new magician shall not only roll up his sleeves, but will also keep his hands out of his pockets.

[@magicorthodoxy]

I bet a lot of magicians will sell theirs on ebay once they realize it's just a card index.

[@tapmaan6150]

This went straight into my junk drawer 😢. After all the hype this doesn’t measure up. You definitely can’t put this in a pair of dress pants. It looks like you have a 18 Weeler in your pocket ☹️. The idea is great but do 75 dollars this needs a lot more work.

[@magicorthodoxy]

it was quite big

[@veganbadass]

Grabbed mine from Hocus-Pocus. They sold almost 100 sets in like 24 hours, they still have some in stock! Hurry Penguin also has some left.

[@magicorthodoxy]

it was hyped for so long - people really want one

[@italiad1013]

HYPED is the key word here