Magic Review - How To Control Minds by Peter Turner & Ellusionist

[@scottedwards6344]

Thanks so much. I wish I had known what you said here years ago. To appreciate the scripting and elegance of Peter Turner, some of us wrongly started with some books that were not that well written, considering the complexity of some of his effects. But you really get to understand and appreciate Turner from some of his later classes and scripting, etc., like this work. thanks so much!!!

[@magicorthodoxy]

Peter Turner's work is truly unique.

[@ftllum]

100% agree with your review. This is not for the casual hobbyist who mainly performs 1:1 for family and friends- it’s for the professional who performs for larger groups of people. I also feel like you really need to have the right persona to pull this sort of mentalism off.

[@magicorthodoxy]

agreed

[@Dave062YT]

The fact that this review isn't 90 min long is a trick in itself ...Bravo !

[@magicorthodoxy]

lol

[@Rhewin]

I am genuinely impressed you got this review down to 22 minutes. The only thing I wish they had done different is labeling the performances and giving us time stamps. Not a huge gripe once you know where to find them. I did end up using some software to pull the performance clips out. I loved the documentary but didn’t want to scroll through it each time I needed to reference.

[@magicorthodoxy]

good point

[@mysteriesinmind]

Can you say what the software was?

[@Rhewin]

@@mysteriesinmind Shotcut

[@mysteriesinmind]

@@Rhewin Thanks, my friend!

[@larrykugelman276]

David, you've gotten sooooo good with your reviews since you started doing them ! I've been with you from the beginning. You may be fresh, new blood but you have risen through the ranks pretty quickly....faster than most, IMO. I have kept abreast of your ascension and it's impressive. Just like this review. You are so dedicated to your task that I don't see how you can get anything else done in your life. This is, by far, the best review of this product I've watched....i.e. a little late to the game I admit, but none the less educated by your generosity in sharing your acquired wisdom,, knowledge of the subject matter, and perseverance in seeing the project through. Not only did you spend massive hours watching the videos, but also in formulating your thoughts and opinions of each of the 12 menu items. You may or may not be aware of the tremendous value your reviews and opinions matter in the magic community, but they do. Man, you really throw yourself into your work. Great job! Keep it up!!

[@magicorthodoxy]

thanks Larry !!!

[@magicianaditya]

Thank you so much for the review!! It was really helpful.

[@magicorthodoxy]

You are so welcome!

[@reevu.]

I really liked the kit (tremendous value for $89) , but totally agree ~ you have to be the dominant personality in the room and you need a nice spectator, a seated audience and ideally some time for pre show. You can't just walk up to someone, make them forget their name and leave. The Jam sessions are really where I saw the most value. Also the box contents are actually supposed to be so you can take your own dice man journey, the provided billets are for the challenges. I've tried it and failed 3 out of 4 times but the one time it worked, god damn! I couldnt believe it myself, I was like how tf. Then I had to interview the spectator later on about what she felt and why. I was so amazed at myself lol. Because it was like I just said some stuff and then genuinely she had difficulty lifting her hand /saying her name. When it works, its scary.

[@magicorthodoxy]

great comment

[@josephjones357]

Hypnosis is a dance between two agreeable people. The dancer who is leading must have complete confidence for the dancing partner to follow.

[@9WEAVER9]

@@reevu. I don't know I hear that the video covering actual hypnosis will come after every other video he'll ever post, so it'll be 'a while'.... if you catch my drift

[@josephjones357]

@@reevu. Yes they are principles of hypnosis and conversational hypnosis. Do you know who is Richard Bandler or Milton Erickson?

[@stormyweather9917]

Yes. If you have the personality and stage presence of a George Joseph Kresge ("The Amazing Kreskin"-86 y/o) you should have no problem performing these mental-miracles.

[@misanthropatrik]

Once again...Very thorough review my friend. I have been seeing a ton of ads for this. You really cleared up a lot of questions I had. Thank you!

[@magicorthodoxy]

My pleasure!

[@magicjoeblack5761]

That was the Mother of all Reviews. Thanks. Really appreciate your thoroughness and enthusiasm and totally agree that effective Mentalism is darn hard work but work that is rewarded multi-fold. Go make the impossible happen Faithful. Love and respect.

[@magicorthodoxy]

Glad it was helpful!

[@pinballwizard666]

Hi David, I've had this for a few days now. I too was a bit underwhelmed when I opened the box but as you say, it's all about the video content! I am loving what I'm learning but Peter makes me feel so inadequate. He is so naturally polished. The effects will take lots of practice .... Trouble is I doubt I'll ever go to enough parties to get that smooth.

[@magicorthodoxy]

I never go to parties !!!

[@maansingh5757]

Amazing review really appreciate it. Definitely can’t wait to get my hands on this project and start using some of the techniques in my working routines 👌🏽

[@magicorthodoxy]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@fullseaworthiness4440]

I was patiently waiting for you review I’m so excited for mine to arrive

[@magicorthodoxy]

Hope you like it!

[@themysteriousmr]

He turns the crowd into an audience awsome Thanks for the 👍💯

[@magicorthodoxy]

thanks !!!!

[@Erdnase23]

This is a really smart, thoughtful and considered review which really understands the depth of the material under review. Many thanks.

[@magicorthodoxy]

thanks for watching

[@darrenhadden1037]

The Robin Hood trick teaching people how to rob people lol Your reviews are awesome! Best Ive seen on KZbin

[@magicorthodoxy]

thanks Darren !!

[@anthonyknabb166]

Absolutely amazing review David! Thanks a bunch.

[@magicorthodoxy]

Glad you liked it!

[@IAmLif3ofdreads]

This is one of the best introductions to mentalism/hypnosis. As Pete says tack any of these onto something from HTRM or any form of magic you know. You can’t fail. So devious, so clever. Always a way out especially the *** principle, that alone is guarantee sure fire way to create **** reality. Great review long time fan thank you 🙏🏿… looking forward to buying the mind games download myself. I have triple A book test also

[@magicorthodoxy]

Thanks for stopping by

[@magicmagicman]

The problem i had with this is how it was advertised, especially to layman on kickstarter. They make it seem like its a "copy and paste" easy skill. Its absolutely not and your critique was spot on.

[@magicorthodoxy]

THANKS !!!

[@DavidM-lj5yv]

I backed this on Kickstarter and can't wait to receive. And I love that they sent you the Crossed Keys Deck since I bought 2 bricks of those a few months ago. Great review as always Dave !!!!!!

[@magicorthodoxy]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@BobPossible]

I definitely appreciate this review. Having spoke. To Peter, myself, on numerous occasions, I definitely know what you mean about the way he flows. I'm looking forward to this thing finally arriving at my doorstep.

[@magicorthodoxy]

Thanks for sharing!

[@daverothberg2624]

very thorough review David 👍🏻👍🏻 looking forward to dig into this in the New Year … Peter’s teachings are very unique and enjoyable, which is why I supported this Kickstarter project

[@magicorthodoxy]

Absolutely

[@MagicianandtheJock]

Great review. I've been looking at this and I feel like I have the confidence now to give it a go.

[@magicorthodoxy]

Go for it!

[@muhammadahmedsadiq2849]

Ok so this review is actually spot on and really good! Other reviewers basically just gave an overview of what it is but u went into details! And I would agree it takes a lot of practice and u need to be the real deal to perform this properly, however as 15 year old who doesn't do stage shows, and all of my classmates are more or less hecklers and it being very difficult to be the real deal or the main guy in the room filled with relatives, it's something which is definitely not for me! Would recommend that people shojld get sure fire tricks or apps like Inject, cognito, 52 to 1 deck etc.

[@magicorthodoxy]

yea, this is magic you perform on people you don't know well - and you need to be able to command the room

[@pagmatic]

HTCM is Brass-Tastic!!! It kicks Brass!!! Enough puns? I agree with you about the Bigger Fish files. Thanks for the review,

[@magicorthodoxy]

Thanks for watching!

[@DJRosen]

I bought Sibyl by Phedon Bilek some time ago not knowing what I was getting into and this is that times 1000. When it got here I watched the Try Jam session first (not having any idea where to start) and I immediately got what it was all about and realized that if this was something I wanted to do, it was going to take a lot of time. I love this stuff and Ill keep watching it until I am brave enough to try. Thanks for the review.

[@magicorthodoxy]

Thanks for visiting

[@guest3997]

Hi David. As always, complete and excellent review. Thank you again for all you do! Dr. G

[@magicorthodoxy]

Many thanks!

[@ivj]

Great review, I was curious about this from the member’s page. I wasn’t convinced of the value you were getting at first. So got this through the post a couple of days ago & dived into the videos. Pros - Love the documentary. I can relate to some of his childhood stories which is great & tragic. Routines are amazing, but bold & you need a lot of guts to do it. Lovely packaging, good quality playing cards/dice/billets. Cons - I still feel it could have included some props other than the deck/dice/billets. The pen is pointless (not literally) really felt it could have been exchanged for something else. No video for the marked deck (I think). I heard you do get a video download if you buy the deck separately which is useless for us. I feel they could have given way more billets. For the price, it should have been stacked of those things as they are great quality. All in all a good set overall. Great routines, but the props leave a lot to be desired.

[@magicorthodoxy]

yea, I guess they felt we needed a physical item

[@darrenhalim690]

great review! will be planning on buying this soon :D

[@magicorthodoxy]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@joegurr4691]

Mine legit got here today carnt wait to practice over christmas

[@danielvassalo9250]

Great video, David!! I'm super excited to receive my kit. But something you said got me a little worried.... You said that memorizing the script is key for the tricks to work, but I live in Brazil and I have to use portuguese on my perfomances hahaha On the kickstarter page, Ellusionist says that these methods work on any language. Is that really true?

[@magicorthodoxy]

memorize the scripting .... in your language

[@mavinson6001]

Great review as always! Thank you so much :9 I have one question though :) You stress that you would have to memorize Peter's script. Does that mean, that this won't work in other languages than english? :)

[@magicorthodoxy]

Not at all - learn it in any language

[@goldfingersCH]

Incredible Review as Always!

[@magicorthodoxy]

Thanks again!

[@greensleeves7165]

So, I have a question David. What's the failure rate? As in, you play for someone's hand to stick and it doesn't stick, and what degree of workarounds are offered? It seems the kind of stuff that if you didn't make the right choice of person you'd be in trouble.

[@davidshareefChTPhD]

I purchased the bigger fish files, is this different or a lot of the same material? Oh never mind I should have watched your complete review before I ask the question above

[@magicorthodoxy]

LOL

[@allenharden05]

I will be getting htcm since you have done the review now on it. So next year is going to be a blast with htrm. Then later on in next year htcm.

[@1031ent]

How did you get the videos on the USB to play? They appear to be DMR restricted and only play on apple products? I feel like this should be mentioned as some people don't use apple products.

[@magicorthodoxy]

I dont have apple products - I only own old windows / droid and they played just fine

[@1031ent]

@@magicorthodoxy maybe my copy was corrupted. Thanks for the reply. Still upsets that I paid alot of money and got an unuseable product.

[@magicorthodoxy]

@@1031ent mine was also in my Ellusionist downloads

[@Ichselbst6606]

@@1031ent mine also didn‘t work. The USB „key“ got extremely hot (I thought it’d melt…) and didn’t play. Ineeded to use the video material on the web site. I wadn‘t happy with my purchase.

[@davidthompson7764]

Thank you for a very thorough review. I was wondering if you see yourself doing these effects? The amount of work and memorization required is it worth it to you? I am a Amateur magician, friends and family, occasional church show, just wanted to see what you thought. The effects look really great but still undecided. Keep up the good work you really help us out. David

[@seanquito]

I appreciate you so much David! Is it okay if english is not my main language because as you said need to memorize the script

[@magicorthodoxy]

yes

[@manomagik6634]

I backed this kit and I am a little overwhelmed by the amount of information included! I can't wait to master the midas touch! I received the crossed keys deck also. Did other kits have different decks? Thanks for reviewing this! I was wondering what you were going to have to say about it. Quick question, if I join the channel on a certain date, will the payments be due on that date from then on? Thanks, David! Keep em' comin!!

[@magicorthodoxy]

Glad it was helpful!

[@thebondvillain4920]

Doing Hypnosis anytime really do need a lot of Confidence from Us.. Would rarely work with friends,family but the correct spectator it would be a miracle

[@magicorthodoxy]

Yea not for people who know you

[@chainreacted4484]

@@magicorthodoxy Mind explaining why it won't work on people who know you? Kinda makes me not feel like getting it

[@magicorthodoxy]

@@chainreacted4484 much of Turner's magic is "stranger based" its not impressive when you tell your Mom her star sign - LOL

[@chainreacted4484]

@@magicorthodoxy yes but this is how to CONTROL minds so will the stuff teached still work with people you know

[@darrenhalim690]

will you be reviewing Legacy Collection: 10 Book Set also by Peter Turner?

[@magicorthodoxy]

I dont own it - but Abraxas did a great review on them

[@vladyslavzelenchenkov]

Thank you very much David! Can ask you, can it be done in other languages?

[@magicorthodoxy]

Yes, of course - just translate what Peter says in your own language

[@bard2227]

Great review! I think I'm gonna get it as it gets so many good reviews! By the way, is there a top 10 coming soon? Like an updated top 10 card decks?

[@allenharden05]

Does Peter turner explain in video well enough on how to perform the effects to where you can understand how to perform it all?

[@magicorthodoxy]

Of course

[@mactrigun1]

Which set has the most impact? How to read minds, or, How to control minds!

[@magicorthodoxy]

Read minds is easier, the other takes a lot of work and you have to practice on real spectators

[@mactrigun1]

@@magicorthodoxy Gotcha. I did order Fraud. I'm thinking about getting the Read minds set. I do think the Control minds set would help me to be better at this. I know it takes a lot of work. But, I guess that's what sets the good and the great apart. I have some thinking to do

[@magicorthodoxy]

and it's all "performing for strangers" magic

[@mactrigun1]

@@magicorthodoxy True. Which set do you prefer?

[@magicorthodoxy]

read minds

[@theblindwizard]

Being legally blind, would this be a good purchase? I purchased how to read minds package and a lot of them were visually based and involved billets and paper and things and so it was outside my reach

[@magicorthodoxy]

most of these are physical - hard to say

[@theblindwizard]

@@magicorthodoxy that is an excellent response. Thank you. Looking at the material and what you know, do you think you could do it? Blindfolded maybe try looking at it. In that sense, we would have to trust in the direction that you give the spectator I'm sure and the observation of others, but could you do it? Bindfolded

[@younesmohssen8158]

@@theblindwizard wow thats so crazy. how can you read the comments and replies?

[@theblindwizard]

@@younesmohssen8158 well I don't mean to shock you or anything but there's this thing called voice over that reads text on a screen. It's been around for a couple decades now

[@younesmohssen8158]

@@theblindwizard oh wow not at all I’m actually very impressed lol. I mean you’re saying legally blind I’m assuming 90+% blind because that’s why I was surprised lol

[@andreaurelianotomaz1184]

Can I do the hand stick one on one ?

[@tomasrosina6586]

Is it true that it works in every language? It confused me a little when you said we had to copy it exactly

[@magicorthodoxy]

words can be "copied" in any language

[@tomasrosina6586]

@@magicorthodoxy thanks 👍

[@itay2826]

Will it work with another language or it'll work with English only?. because although *I* know English very well due to years of online chatting and tv shows, I have a lot of friends who don't know English.

[@magicorthodoxy]

add copy says it will

[@NerdorDieNews]

Does anyone else wish this came with a brass pocket watch? I mean what a missed opportunity

[@magicorthodoxy]

that'd be cool

[@Thefess]

I'm kinda on the fence on this, I want to try this but I want to try this with someone I trust first. I know you said this is made for a person and spectators but can this be done one on one first then branch out to different people if it's someone's first time doing this?

[@magicorthodoxy]

most of these tricks won't work on just one person

[@Thefess]

@@magicorthodoxy ok thanks

[@jerryRp90x]

I bought a penguin lecture and he does teach differently, but his ideas, methods and theory are great. He'll expose why/how something is done but then say "so this is how I solved that...."

[@magicorthodoxy]

good point

[@mysteriesinmind]

I'm buying this now (half off!) but oh lordy I'm nervous ...

[@magicorthodoxy]

it's wickedly advanced stuff -takes real dedication to pull off

[@jerryRp90x]

You can learn alot of subtleties from him, even if you don't do exactly what he's teaching

[@magicorthodoxy]

TRUE !!!

[@SebastianSchachner]

So thre page advertised that it would work in any language. But how can that be if you say we have to copy peters exact words. So would you say it only works in english?

[@magicorthodoxy]

you can copy the words in your own language

[@Rhewin]

It’s not a matter of using the same exact words as much as it is saying the same things with the right timing.

[@robertshawiv1513]

Interesting 👍🏻

[@magicorthodoxy]

Thanks for the visit

[@M3NTALMAGIC]

most people (non professionals) wont even perform/add 2 effects from this kit. Over Hyped & way over-rated for what you get and what you might actually use. Glorified documentary, nothing more. All of us PAID for Petes Vacation and he filmed it.

[@magicorthodoxy]

there's good stuff in there if you are willing to do the leg-work

[@darrenhalim690]

i heard there's a bonus routine called 'the jedi choke'. is this routine taught in the video or the book?

[@magicorthodoxy]

as far as I know, that's on Bigger Fish - where did you hear it was on this project?

[@darrenhalim690]

@@magicorthodoxy the trailer for the 'how to control minds kit' kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2fLmZWcirybbtk 8:30

[@Rhewin]

There is a performance of it shown. It doesn’t have a specific video but you can piece it together if you go through all the teaching.

[@GautamSeth120]

@@Rhewin The principle used to do that is covered in the jam session

[@Rhewin]

@@GautamSeth120 that’s what I mean. He doesn’t teach the specific routine but you can piece it together.

[@gerardobullon5515]

Hi, David! Thanks for this wonderful review. I am from Spain: would I have problems performing this in spanish?

[@magicorthodoxy]

Not at all

[@yoursuccessfullife.]

Some of this sounds a bit like Orville Meyer's TELEPATHY IN ACTION.

[@magicorthodoxy]

oh, I need to check that out

[@CallousCoder]

For suggestion based mentalism the words aren’t the ingredient. It’s the selection of the right person(s). And then you need to stack suggestions slowly making it bigger. I am no longer a professional Mentalist/Stage Hypnotist I did that for 12-13 years and got bored and left the whole field. So I don’t know Peter personally. But he seems credible and knowledgeable but it also seems like a money grab. He basically controlled people to pay money for something that any book on suggestion, stage hypnosis (not plugging my book, but I guess if you Google the subject mine pops up together with other great books) together with some work of Hoy or Chan Canasta can teach you for less.

[@magicorthodoxy]

awesome thanks !!!

[@Ministro2T314]

I have a question, 90% of my audience speaks Spanish. Will this work if I translate the script?

[@hankbart4454]

Has anyone successfully performed any of these?

[@M3NTALMAGIC]

brass not gold........I wish it were gold (pen & dice)

[@magicorthodoxy]

I was mentioning the color more than the material it was made from, but yes .... brass

[@comedyhypno]

I'm really disappointed with this product. My personal feeling is that his presentation of the material is highly disorganized and confusing. I came away with the sense that he was more focused on talking about how great he was than presenting the material in a way that was designed for solid learning.

[@magicorthodoxy]

Peters teaching style is not like anyone else

[@AyyoGamer]

Badly Formatted Project...Most Reviewers Trying very Hard to justify badly formatted Project for some reason

[@magicorthodoxy]

it was shot very organically - one long string of consciousness

[@josephjones357]

"When they come to" wtf lol this all seems to be hypnosis and conversational hypnosis. Mr Turner has great tricks but these beginner level hypnosis convincers can be learned for free on YT.

[@magicorthodoxy]

but maybe not taught as well and as thorough as this

[@josephjones357]

@@magicorthodoxy You're right, maybe not as thorough.

[@vi5ionary]

So sorry to say this this directly, but this is the worstdissappointment of all the cat-in-the-bag magic tricks I bought. Seriously. DM me before buying this, it’ll be unusable for 9 out of 10 of us. And I even liked Peter Turner before buying this. 😔

[@ahmetpolat207]

Hey man I was thinking to buy this kit before seeing your comment. What is bad about it ?