Magnacut edge retention testing, DCC pass around fixed blade. How did it do and discussion on use.

Magnacut edge retention testing. How did it do and what are my thoughts about this new steel. This is a DCC, Deep Cuts Cutlery pass around knife ar 63.5 hrc. I did regular 1500 grit edge retention testing , sharpening and use to get a feel for this steel. I'll discuss all of that during the video and I'll test more as I can.
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[@kyleoleary6082]

Hey cool! This is Kyle, the maker behind D.C.C. and thanks for your testing that ugly lil dumpling of a blade! This was the first magnacut blade I heat treated and tested, and I've since made some tweaks and have been running my smaller blades closer to 65hrc and it feels considerably different on the stones. I think this video is great because it'll help dispell some of the myth/hype of this steel and show that it's not bringing anything wild to the table in terms of performance at the edge, but bringing that 4V/Cruwear-esque toughness, stability, and wear resistance *in a very stainless package*. I'd love to send some more blades your way sometime soon. Always much appreciation for your work 🙏

[@Outpost_76]

Thanks, I do need to get with you at some point. I agree the hype on this should be it's stainless with the benefits offered by tools steels. I'd be happy to test a current version or anything else you might be curious about or want some info out on.

[@kyleoleary6082]

@@Outpost_76 sounds great, I'll get in touch in early 2022 once I'm up and running after relocating across the country. Cheers

[@josephdaleadams]

I finally picked up a magnacut knife recently and had the same experience with developing a large bur quickly. I had a hugely different experience in that it took a lot of work to get the burr removed. I’m hoping that this gets better after i have to sharpen it several times.

[@paulootouro5348]

Hey Gerald I appreciate that you’ve been avoiding the hype to try to give us as unbiased opinion as you can. I was hoping for a little better results. Looking forward to seeing production knives and their results.

[@Outpost_76]

I think this is good for mid 63 Magnacut. It's about where I'd expect 4V at 63.5 to test as well. If a 65 hrc custom heat treat is anything like my custom 4V then it's going to be a very nice stainless to use.

[@littlewoody5539]

Interesting steel for sure good video 👍

[@D00MTR33]

I have a pry guy from DCC coming in at it's supposed to be 64-65hrc now. The results are about what I expected considering on Larrins site you can see that Magnacut performs about like 4V in wear resistance. I wasn't expecting anything more(some people thought you're going to get s90v results) and I'll be happy if it performs like my 4V para 3 but without a need for coating or worry about edge corrosion. If I want high wear resistance I have customs in m398, Elmax, s125v. I'm interested to see how it compares to CPR steel which is like a non PM stainless Cruwear. I have a custom in it at 64-65 but haven't really used it but it's supposed to perform pretty good from few tests I've seen.

[@darrenkirk6576]

Awesome G, thankyou.... How does that magnacut stand against s90v? More in particular SPK s90v??

[@tacticalcenter8658]

S90v has way less toughness and more edge retention. Magnacut is way more stainless.

[@EDCandLace]

This steel shouldn't be remotely compared to S90v it's nothing a like. You can't compare steels like that. This is a stainless steel that is super tough (think 3v/4v levels of toughness) and S90v is anything but tough but has insane edge retention... They are at two totally different ends of the spectrum in design and use... What this steel excels at S90v is wildly poor at and vice versa. For daily use S90v is my fav EDC steel with M390 a close 2nd.. In my camp knives and hard use fixed blades 3v is my fav, magnacut likely will take that spot once it becomes more available in knife profiles I'm interested in. IMHO the prospect of a stainless steel with 3v/4v performance properties will easily become my fav hard use steel if what is being stated about it is true.

[@darrenkirk6576]

@@EDCandLace thankyou... awesome explaination ... thats the answer i was looking for.... 🍻👍

[@jusme8060]

In real world use it doesn't matter which knife I bring with me to work, 1095 dulls out as fast as cruwear. Can you help explain this? I'm beginning to believe if it's not a single material under strict testing circumstances, steel choice simply doesn't matter. Even toughness, 1095 isn't all that and people baton it thru frying pans. Is this whole super steel thing a scam?

[@rickkerans8485]

I don't understand why all the hype on this. After the damage it took. I guess wait and see how it tests in future.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Check out bluntcuts video on magnacut testing kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIrZlqaKeqmAe5Y

[@CNYKnifeNerd]

Hell, there's someone in the comments of this exact video asking how it compares to s90v so it's pretty obvious that people's expectations are a bit out of proportion. Just the prospect of a stainless 4v has my attention.

[@darrenkirk6576]

@@CNYKnifeNerd considering G only compared it to production 4v... that particular question remains... any custom blade with a dialled in h.t. will out perform production blades with " ball park" h.t. ... Its all conductive to where and how each steel performs and where it sits in relation to other steels that have been around for a while... 😀

[@Outpost_76]

The hype on this was steered in the wrong direction by some. The hype of Magnacut should be it's stainless with better toughness and edge stability than what manufacturers are currently pushing. The maker did comment and say this was his first blade in this steel and it may not be optimized for the given hardness. He is running it around 65 now. Once I get a harder example I'm sure we will see it excel. Think back to the M390 video BJ did and how the 59.5 hrc example took much more damage over the 62 hrc example. This is what I believe we are going to see as more examples are tested.

[@CNYKnifeNerd]

@@darrenkirk6576 Well, yeah, a better heat treat is definitely "conductive" to better performance, but are you saying you think magnacut (or 4V) with a specialty heat treat could outperform s90v with a standard good factory heat treat? I have a v4e custom done with a specialty heat treat, and other than sharpening easier (much thinner bte) I can't tell the difference between that and my shaman or mammoth in daily use. Specialty heat treats exist to eke out that last 5-10% of performance from steels that good commercial heat treats leave on the table. 4V and magnacut we're not meant as s90v alternatives, and no heat treat will put them even close to the s90v ballpark. Magnacut is a good S30V alternative, that's where people's expectations should be.

[@timothybecker8605]

G, I'm 65 years old GD it! I'll be dead before you give us thoses tests on Alex's knifes.

[@timothybecker8605]

🤣🤣🤣

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Just don't get vaxxed, eat healthy and stay fit and you should live a long life.

[@EDCandLace]

28, healthy, fit, didn't get vaxxed. Got the rona and it beat the living shit out of me... I'm literally terrified of getting it again. That was the worst 13 days of my life... From day 5 to day 12 omfg it was brutal. By day 13 I was not feeling like death anymore but still felt sick somewhat but not to bad from about 14 days post symptoms starting and felt normal after about 25 days. It was easily the most sick I have ever been

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@EDCandLace you now have antibodies! But yes you should have tried to get early treatment with ivm/hqc cocktails. Early on people didn't know about this and suffered because the media kept it out of the spotlight.

[@timothybecker8605]

@@tacticalcenter8658 And which medical school did you graduate from? Where was your residency performed? My doctor at John Hopkins (rated 1-3 in the entire world) highly recommend the vax. He just retired after practicing medicine for 39 years,but what does he know. Right?

[@joshuabriggs7114]

Looks promising Gerald! Can't wait to see what Spyderco's HT looks like. (And what models they promote ;)

[@tacticalcenter8658]

I'll be annoyed if they make a pm2 in it.

[@joshuabriggs7114]

@@tacticalcenter8658 me too! Would love an endura with a grey handle

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@joshuabriggs7114 yes agreed

[@Outpost_76]

We all know the PM2 is the most likely knife it will be on first. Just our luck.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@Outpost_76 lol you're probably right. I think it would fit perfect on a Shaman or a manix2. One of the beefier knives.

[@richardhenry1969]

So magna-cut is a tool steel with stainless property's. The numbers aren't very earth shattering. The big thing to me is that was a custom knife and it doesn't live up to the hype. I wonder what the production numbers will be, I'm not holding my breath. I personally prefer midrange steel it does fine for me 14c28n, Aus10,xhp. I have got a big camp knife in A8 so far I really like it. But I have to see how it holds up during camping season. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

[@Outpost_76]

Magnacut is a stainless with tool steel properties. Considering how production 4V and custom 4V do this Magnacut at 63.5 is right where it should be. Too many hyped this steel in the wrong ways. It's bonus is its a stainless with very improved edge stability and toughness. Once I can get a 64.5 to 65 rc example I'm betting the results will be very good. As an example, if this Magnacut is what we would see in production you will get better wear resistance than 95% of the M390, 20cV and 204p out there. All while having better edge stability, toughness and impact resistance so it's a plus from a user perspective. If it only does a little better than this you still get wear resistance like production M4 in a stainless that has better toughness and edge stability than other widely used stainless from production companies. The hype was just focused in the wrong place.

[@richardhenry1969]

@@Outpost_76 always a pleasure to get your perspective. I enjoy your videos. As far as these super steels go to me with what I use my knives for. I don't see a reason to spend the money. I just don't use my knives enough anymore. My usage is outdoor camping so edge holding isn't as important as ease of sharpening and toughness. For cardboard I use xhp, 14c28n. But who knows maybe something new will pop up.

[@allthingsknives]

I heard that the heat treat on magnacut was not too difficult, hopefully that translates to results for production knives. I think his knives are even harder now for the magnacut. The lower Chromium amount than a regular stainless probably translates to greater ease of sharpening

[@Outpost_76]

This example is very easy to sharpen. Id that aspect translates in to higher hardness examples it will be nice. Even if it is the same as sharpening harder 4V it's still going to be a breeze.

[@vindice5849]

I'd like to see what hrc my magnacut mule is at

[@richardf9137]

Nice Honest Opinion! Thanks.

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome

[@tallica4life81]

I have my bgm magnacut being finished right now.

[@Outpost_76]

I tested one already, I just haven't finished the video yet.

[@tallica4life81]

@@Outpost_76 was it better or the same as this testing?

[@profesorEDC]

Great vid and fact G, really appreciate your vids.😁🙏👍

[@Outpost_76]

Thank you

[@matusknives]

I would like to try making a kitchen knives out of it - so I would also be interested how does it sharpen on water stones like Shapton, Chosera, etc.

[@Outpost_76]

As I get some more in to test I'll try it out. I will also do a quick sharpening with this one to see. As easy as it was on a diamond plate and the Venev stones I'd bet it's going to sharpen without trouble on a standard water stone.

[@matusknives]

@@Outpost_76 that sounds great as most high end kitchen knives users don't use diamond stones (even though this is slowly changing, it won't be becoming standard anytime soon) or diamond plates (only to flatten stones) for sharpening. So to be able to get the full potential sharpening wise on conventional sharpening stones is important.

[@Keith_the_knife_freak]

Thanks for sharing 👍🏼 😊

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome

[@ncsEsper]

Magna. Karma. Pugma!

[@evildead1791]

Appreciate your opinion on this, the stainless quality of magnacut would be awesome here in tn, its so damn humid it just kills non stainless steels, id like a good bushcraft blade in it.

[@Outpost_76]

I'll get to find out soon, my property is about 1.5 hours east of Memphis. Then I'll have a first hand look at how it compares to Florida.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Many bushcrafters don't even use stainless steels. Just oil on the blades for rust prevention.

[@evildead1791]

@@Outpost_76 thats awesome man I didnt know you were in TN.

[@evildead1791]

@@tacticalcenter8658 This is true, I just like stainless for the lower maintenance aspect of it, I can throw it in a bag and not worry about oiling it. One less thing to worry about that kind of thing.