MAJOR Adobe Updates :: Adobe Color and Why It Matters

Adobe are launching some major updates for photography applications. I think these are the most significant updates they've put out in the last 10 years. They all hinge around the new camera RAW calibration profile known as Adobe Color.
A camera RAW calibration profile is the first step in rendering a camera raw image before you begin to edit. Lets look at how this will improve not only your image quality, but also speeding up your workflow allowing you to get better results in Adobe Lightroom FAST!
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[@stepheneckert4006]

I think I’m more excited that they moved the dehaze slider to the top! Finally! It’s no longer buried ha

[@paulcrawley7321]

I agree : )

[@gavinhank4933]

I guess Im kind of randomly asking but does anybody know a good website to stream new tv shows online ?

[@houstonvihaan7972]

@Gavin Hank try FlixZone. You can find it by googling :)

[@coleharvey2678]

@Houston Vihaan Yup, have been watching on Flixzone for since april myself :)

[@gavinhank4933]

@Houston Vihaan thank you, I signed up and it seems to work =) Appreciate it!!

[@akaneverest]

Adobe subscription only model pushes me towards C1 more than any other aspect. When I pay my money for some product I'd like to call it mine after purchase. The last standalone version of LR of December 2017 that I have doesn't update anymore. No new cameras, no any other stuff. Awesome! I bought LR since version 4 and was ready to keep it updated, but only when it would be necessary for me personally and not because of adobe's time bomb under my catalog. Anyway, it makes the choice of a new camera much easier - Fuji X-T2 is supported and X-H1 isn't. Nice! Thank you, Ted

[@DistilledStills]

This is the only video about the update which gave a real clear view of the techical changes behind all the stuff that's changed in Lightroom!

[@Gnshksvr]

When I saw the news that they updated the profiles, your video on color profiles came to my mind and I was so grateful that I could actually and really understand what that meant. I share your view on the fact that this is the most important update Adobe has done, ever.

[@robinferand]

This is great Ted! Few minutes after reading Adobe post about their new updates, I received the notification for your video which made it even easier to understand! Thank you!

[@succulentstir9907]

FINALLY. I dropped the CC and thought I was going to switch to Capture One because of its color science, but some functions just weren't as intuitive as Lightroom, and the cropping/angle tool drove me nuts. I'll re-download Lightroom later and figure out if it's better before I make a purchase. Thanks for the great news!

[@fanjan7527]

Didn't know it was this extensive update, updated last night and looking forward to see how it handles and I hope improves my workflow

[@AronBagel]

My heart hasn't beaten this fast in a long, long time

[@christoombes7875]

Great insight thx for sharing 👍

[@AronBagel]

I mean, I am a Sony user so this is some very welcome news :p

[@halo3269]

AronBagel Why didn't you say that in the first place. Clickbaiter.

[@ales_krejci]

Good to see they are trying to respond to c1 wave, its probably not going to make me switch back but hey. However color is only one part. The other one, for me much bigger, is rendering of fine details. Where LR created mess and weird transitions c1 created very nice pattern and smooth transition, looking very natural. It was surprising how much detail is in the image.

[@ottersphotography304]

I just updated my Adobe apps and so far I like it. I have not worked much with it just yet. I like the profiles and the "opacity" slider on the arttistic profiles, wish every profile had that. After watching your comparison video with the native color profiles in Adobe Lightroom and Capture One, I have been contemplating moving to Capture One. For now though, it seems Adobe has definitely felt the pressure of competition (always a good market force) and they have responded accordingly. I will stay with Adobe for now.

[@wchafe1]

The profiles I created for my Canon and Sony cameras with ColorChecker are still more accurate, but the new Adobe defaults do appear to be better than the previous. I would still recommend building your own profiles over using the Adobe profiles.

[@ajcgi]

Best explanation of colour profiles I've come across.

[@EposVox]

Baked in black bars in a video (instead of just cropped off) make me cry.

[@BabuGSRao]

Awesome improvement in sliders....new lights on camera Raw.....UPGRADED dehaze.....Thanks team Adobe

[@emuk5543]

You gotta be kidding me! I've bought Capture One only two weeks ago because of the raw processing engine. I hope there will be some in depth comparison videos of the two.

[@eduardomelon]

Great news! For my D750 I have a lot work today trying to correct the magenta cast in photos.

[@F9FCJ429]

Excited to get back home and try these road tripping shots on the latest software! I’ve been using LUTS in PS along with blending modes and so on. It gave flexibility sliders didn’t offer but it was strictly a stylistic tool. I’m curious to see the interaction of a new starting point along with my PS workflow.

[@kenendez]

You are ON it Ted! It’s like investigative reporting. Thanks for the timely info. I’ve been looking at LR classic and Capture One over the past few days to see which way to go. Now I’ve got some more food for thought. Thanks again!

[@ijrobert]

great explanation of this update - even comprehensible for a novice like me. Well done and thanks!

[@johnarmstrong6940]

Calibration profiles have been with us for a while now, just a bit hidden away. They were however mainly camera manufacturer related, so good to see creative options. Fuji camera profiles are a big deal for many Fuji shooters and seeing the profiles in up top in classic and lightroom mobile is big, just wish they allowed a select all feature and sync across all selected images in lightroom mobile. I think many people are going to use the camera manufacture profile as they closely represent what you had seen on your lcd while shooting. Once adobe improves export features in lightroom mobile, that will be a massive step. I want to work on powerful 15” ipad pros in future, no more laptops and wacoms.

[@FRZNGLSRBM]

The rearrangement of the profiles and the dehaze slider is awesome. Up until now I always had to go to the bottom first, set my color profile, use the dehazer and then go up to the basic module. What I find disturbing though: Did anyone besides me realize, that the default setting for sharpening is now 40 and not 25 anymore? For my taste 40 is way to high, I usually never go higher than 35...

[@johnsg8]

IMO this is a no change for pros. If you use a color checker aren't you creating the best profile for the given camera, lens and lighting?

[@MadsPeterIversen]

My first impressions are really positive!

[@hakamsoufan]

Education and education and education thats what we need all the time ... refresh and learn from time to time and from each other .. you need time to talk and time to read and listen to others ,,,, thats how arts survive ... thank you

[@hrtlsbstrd]

Love it when your videos are really substantive like this, great work!

[@ChristopherMay]

I’ll be curious to see how the new profiles compare against the profiles I make with the Colorchecker Passport. Adobe’s color renditions drove me nuts, especially with Nikon files. Thankfully, the custom generated profiles with the Colorchecker are accurate and easy to generate.

[@Beakerzor]

Mr. Forbes, thanks for this ... development!

[@donaldnewton4947]

I like the new changes, but I still think a little tweaking needs to happen with Fuji Raw files. I'm still seeing a little muddy or muddled areas with foliage. Since you have shot with Fuji, what do you think? I'm using the X-T2.

[@Bob4golf1]

I opened Creative Cloud app on Windows 10 and there is no update to Lightroom or PS. The versions I have do not have Adobe Color. Is there some other way to update?

[@NeilSnapePhotography]

Good views on both major raw editors. Digital cameras are designed by color scientists to deliver an image the way you think you saw it. Raw editors have to take up on that and produce a default colour that represents more or less what the color scientists idea of what the total over look is aiming for. Ansel Adams on the other hand was always trying to add a signature by interpretation of his negatives in a way that one did not see in the original scene. That is what profiles are for. Badly named however as they are color style presets which is too long to have in a button label.

[@dabistudio_japan]

I wander if someone had problems with Lightroom and VSCO? I upgraded to the new version and then I left upgrading the Profiles and nothing happened. It just kept upgrading for an hour! I had to force quit the application because I couldn't do anything. Now I can see on the new Profile bar on the right an alert with Fuji 400... ! Profile missing. ? I can still select my presets from VSCO as normal on the left but I wander if something is missing?

[@giolee1274]

I've updated my Lightroom classic CC but I don't see the adobe color profile option and the dehaze slider is now gone.

[@xmlthegreat]

Thank God they're finally working on the color interface... It was a pain working with the profile interface, and the Adobe profile would always blow out highlights to hell, forcing me to use the camera neutral option... And the worst part is you can't access it through the library view, you have to go to Develop, scroll down to the calibration and set that, then select all the images from your new import, and paste attributes. It used to confuse me a lot at first.

[@heatherfeather9269]

Cannot wait to check this out!

[@jeffoffej]

Fantastic explanation of the new color profile feature across Adobe! Thanks man.

[@KathyDetweiler]

Thank you for the video! I love the new color profiles that Adobe added and there are others that I have downloaded and tried. Love the uniform looks it gives my photos.

[@bikemanrockfan]

Great video explaining the new feature. I just discovered presets now preview themselves in the main image window as well instead of only on the navigator image. I am so happy to see this as it was always hard for me to judge the effect on the smaller navigator image.

[@JoshuaBoldt]

Thanks Ted. My Lightroom also had a significant speed increase while importing my D810 RAW files.

[@FoxyFQ300]

Great video! Curious what everyones using profile wise for the old VSCO presets? Still can't get mine to be working well!

[@kennyc4472]

All three for me downloaded And updated !!!!!Classic,Raw,Photoshop. Can’t wait to play keep up the great work TED💫

[@weschilton]

Seems pretty cool so far, I'm also really glad that they've moved the profiles to an easier to find space. And dehaze up top as well!

[@EduardoMendozaPhoto]

Great work as always Ted! I haven't been using lightroom since last october due to the app's very, very slow performance on my computer, is it possible that performance speed is ok now?, most other apps behave ok.

[@mateuspazcabralduarte3189]

Another great video! Great, Ted!

[@MegaRay68]

I am not seeing the color adjustment sliders in the camera setting. Am I missing something?

[@TheChameleon2008]

I love the profiles but LR 7.3 is so buggy and crashes all the time on W10 when i have the grid view active so i have to turn the previews off and set the profiles to list mode in order to make Lr not crash.

[@MarkoZirdum]

Thanks for sharing your opinion and review! First what I realize is LR crushing wile profile browser is open and you shift by arrows to next image. Second problem with creating new preset folder and new preset inside that folder. I was unable to find it in preset folder. Hope this is only bug which will be fixed soon. I like new changes and looking forward to see more changes and improvements ...

[@StevenJohnson-se2kn]

Is the update world wide? (U.K) I’m looking at Lightroom now and there’s no update for it?? 🤔😫

[@skyabove1032]

same for me in Switzerland !!!

[@bachmannmanuel1562]

Dänke scho ;-)

[@bachmannmanuel1562]

should yes...

[@gaza4543]

just force adobe cloud to search for updates, it just hasn't refreshed for you

[@StevenJohnson-se2kn]

gaza4543 I’ll give that a go later. Thanks 👍🏻

[@LashanR]

Adobe Color is so good, most of the time it does better than Camera Standard

[@AndyAstbury]

Hi Ted, did Adobe give you any insight into reasons behind the change made to the sharpening Amount Slider default? Any raw processor such as Lightroom actually uses a demosaicing algorithm to display the raw file on screen, not a calibration profile. And the Lightroom demosaic algorithm is still inferior to CapOne Pro, Iridient, and the multiple choice of algorithms in Raw Therapee. It's that demosaic algorithm that's old and needs a major overhaul. The 'calibration profile' you refer to is just a default bunch of contrast, recovery and saturation settings that Adobe feel make your images look good - and they are applied behind the scenes - hence the slider values that control those criteria are all zeroed. If you think back to Lr v2 (pv2010 or earlier) Lr added a medium contrast tone curve and +50 brightness, +25 contrast and +5 blacks, and these adjustments were visible on the sliders. But since pv2012 these 'automatic adjustments' have been buried so the user cannot see them. What annoys me is that Adobe do not give the user an option to view a direct neutral rendering of the raw file - unlike some of the more up to date raw processors. And anyone thinking that such a 'neutral' view isn't valuable is, frankly, a fool. I was hoping for a major upgrade to the whole input sharpening module, to bring it more in line with that of Raw Therapee - which let's not forget, is free across all platforms Ted. Adobe will always be at the very top of imaging software with Photoshop, but if they want to raise their game with Lightroom they need to drop the arrogance, get serious, and actually look at what the competition is producing. It's still the best D.A.M system out there, and has the best print output management, but it's trying to be a complete image processor, which is silly because it's nowhere close to the capabilities of Photoshop. All this new profile malarkey is basically CLUTs, and they are always better deployed in a masking and pixel blending environment - i.e. Photoshop.

[@gavinwade349]

I am confused. I thought that raw files could be read without a calibration profile. However they would just be low contrast. When I open files in affinity photo they appear low contrast and I am given the option to apply a tone curve with the develop assistant (is that a calibration profile?). When I apply a tone curve the picture looks normal. Could someone explain?

[@jaimeduncan6167]

Hi, when you do your review please check the Camera / Manufacturer profiles. Cameras are getting better and better with color. For Nikon, the D850 is a significant jump in that regard. I don't know whey the camera vendors don't work with Adobe, as Hasselblad does. Adobe premature insistence in DNG (that can't capture the nuances and the sensor and forces vendors to reveal more than they want) it's no longer an issue. That way the vendors could focus on providing the best image quality and Adobe could work on all the rest of the software.

[@theartofphotography]

Hasselblad actually uses an embedded profile - it actually bypasses adobe color. It looks as great as it always has. In fact you can’t use adobe color with it.

[@mark_rutt]

Diggin this! Even more so because I'm waiting for my A7iii to arrive -- this just made my day!

[@stevel7005]

Are 'Custom Profiles' ala X-Rite Color Checker Passport still relevant/useful?

[@baldomerocoelho3129]

This is a fantastic change in Lightroom. Thanks for the video!

[@jenethompsonart]

Can’t wait to get home from work so I can download/play 😍

[@kebman]

Thank you for this primer! Looks like something awesome to check out!

[@ThePhotographyHobbyist]

Definitely much better. I also like the reorganization they did. Dehaze up top now where it makes more sense and the profiles at the top too. Looking much much better overall. And the speed bump on the last big update has been nice too. It’s really not slow at all with my a7R 3 files.

[@sjsphotog]

great stuff for Adobe Lr users. About time. Guess they are listening with many dropping Lr/Ps in their workflow and going to Cap1 or On1. Gotta always try and innovate and stay ahead of the competition and follow the Kano model. What is a delighter (more than expected) today becomes the expected/standard in the future and you have to keep 1 step ahead to keep your customers happy

[@spbalance]

Always changed it to Camera Neutral and probably still will. The flatter the better, as a starting point. Also, in certain scenes with strong neon lights or fluorescents, no other profile will display them correctly. Good thing they're keeping the legacy stuff. I'd be more interested in a new process version... although there's nothing wrong with the current one. EDIT: Adobe Neutral (the new one) is much better than the previous Camera Neutral. Great! :)

[@SantiagoBilly]

You just made my morning! This is great news! Updating!

[@mikeyboards]

Great video! this is helpful. Has anyone used the VSCO presets with the new update? I'm having issues, for instance, when I have a black and white image, and I use one of the tools, such as contrast, it switches the image to color. Has anyone else noticed this?

[@VirtualTourPhotographer]

Thanks for the heads up as usual Ted! I sure hope that this update does 2.5 things speed things up or at least not slow them down and ... help with a true realistic result when merging (stitching) panorama images. 360 photos still suffer the most in this area and PTGUI does a great job for the most part, but when you shoot 4 scenes and each has to blend with a white balance that has to include massive colour changes, it's really hard. Here's to hoping!

[@biscuitsalive]

Great info. Heads up for Mac users. I had to update my whole OS to get this to work. (Even with latest photoshop and lightroom it wouldn’t read Sony a7iii RAW without full operating system update. )

[@grazia7179]

Super cool update and fantastic explanation. Thank you very very much !!

[@Manuparis]

can you redo the comparison with the pumpkin and the new version of the profiles and C1 ?

[@iandavis1355]

Thanks for the video. Always a learning experience. An off topic question . . . you mentioned "skin tones" (as do many other when they describe editing) . . . are skin tones all treated the same? Or do filters/presets/edits have a different results when applied to different skin tones.

[@60shots]

Mr Forbes, you rock.

[@rklmbd2934]

Would you do (or have you recently done) a review of alternatives to Adobe and Capture One? Not everyone wants the cloud base or subscription model ans we're left out on the cold with nothing but gimmicky alternatives. Recently I've heard of something called Affinity. Have you used it? Would you recommend it or any other?

[@zolastic]

This is super informative and helpful. Thanks Ted!

[@Awnol]

Why didn't you use a photo for the sample that we could understand?

[@tobyhawkins]

This is great news. I switched to C1 a few years ago (Adobe's poor handling of Fuji files was the catalyst then). I still use PS though, so I'll certainly be giving LR another go. I think C1 is great and means I don't need to move into PS very often (which I had to do a lot when I used to use LR), but still, LR has some nice things about it that C1 doesn't, especially when wanting to make very quick edits.

[@julesnoelsmith]

looks interesting, thanks for the episode explaining the update. can’t wait to try it with some new images.

[@Realdavidart]

I like this change but do not like how they decide to move items in the side panels as if I do not already have a workflow. CAN YOU PLEASE inquire as to why we can not move and order the panel groupings to suit our individual workflows!!! You can move tools and group them in Photoshop... why can't we do so in Lightroom. It is so FRUSTRATING!

[@JavierMedinaImagery]

Thanks for the update on the update! Going to spend some time on it now :)

[@band1tt]

Where are the new profiles!? Just installed lightroom again, classic/CC and there are nothing new, just the old adobe standard...

[@RezaMolavi]

thank you Ted; informative as usual. I am looking forward to seeing what they have done with Sony profiles.

[@JeffRemasPhotography]

Great information, well explained and more important than many may realize for the professional. Thank you.

[@nurd45]

I just updated LR to 7.3 and now it's not detecting my Nikkor 70-200mm 2.8 E lens automatically (like it did before the update) when I check the "Enable lens profiles" checkbox. If I select Nikon as the make it Id's it as the older IF model. Yay.

[@AdHocVisions]

Again, thank you for sharing. Awesome video.

[@brynjarbjorgvinsson1987]

Great insight thx for sharing , nice work Ted

[@MrFloris]

Upgrading right now, excited

[@Max-cd8ii]

What about Lightroom 6? I'm guessing it's not included there.

[@frankoyuhhh]

Hey, why dont i have the adobe color mine just says color

Updating now! Thank you Ted. 👍👍

[@thedanwriter1]

How do i get adobe color profile in capture one?

[@leslielanderkin8301]

Thank you as you cleared up some confusion I had. Leslie

[@robhallphoto]

It's about time! Thanks for sharing the news. With the recent speed increases and now updated color, do you prefer Capture One or Lightroom Classic?

[@theartofphotography]

Capture One still has far more advanced tools for editing, but still no pano stitching, cloud integration etc… not quite an even playing field yet. I love C1, but I'm definitely still using both.

[@tomscott4438]

If you were a Fuji shooter (as I am) and had to pick one editor... which would you choose?

[@tonygorham]

Capture one won't support the fuji gfx. So I'm stuck in lightroom. This is a big improvement

[@KeithEmmerichDOTcom]

I use both...LR for most everything but Capture One for tether shooting.

[@franciskwok3515]

So far, so good. I'm finding Adobe Color to be more color-accurate when applied to test raw images straight out of the camera vs. Adobe Standard or Camera Standard.

[@connorwilliams769]

will Adobe color be accessible for Lightroom 6.14 users?

[@dilliboirubirosa9638]

What about the camera/lens specific profiles that we create with the Colorchecker Passport? Are those still usable?

[@JoshHaftel]

Yes

[@edwardfelton7401]

Looks great. Even though I have created my own presets which I use as a starting off point, it will be great to see what Adobe has to offer. Anything that speeds up workflow is a good thing!

[@YostPeter]

Wow, this would be awesome if I had a legal copy of Photoshop!

[@theHiddenHaku]

Wow! It was about time!

[@kerimsuner4953]

Hi Ted, Next time you talk to Adobe engineers can you please ask them why they still don't have "sort by filename" option in Lightroom CC library module. iPad and and iPhone versions have this feature but not the desktop and web versions. It is a must have feature for many users.. Thank you.

[@JoshHaftel]

You can just post things here and somehow, as if by magic, we hear you ;)

[@jimbopaw]

dpreview have been using "adobe standard" for their tests, and you can see it on their image compare tool, the results are pretty consistent across cameras.

[@cillyede]

Very helpful, thank you!

[@onemaninaboat]

Great to see them making some improvements, however Lightroom is still massively slower when compared to Capture One when it comes to full size previews and imports. The only reason i still use it is because of plugins. As soon as capture one provides them, i will be gone in 60 seconds.

[@henrikolsen5]

Please make the pumpkin comparison again with Adobe Color vs old standard vs C1.

[@JoshHaftel]

Yes, and please make sure you fix the WB this time ;)

[@EpicWaterDrop]

Oh my god this is exciting

[@artemisfowl9002]

i’m just gonna stick to my capture one pro 11, seriously not even this update could compare to the things you can do in capture one