Language Differences Between TNG and Star Trek Picard

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[@iondustt]

It's bad when your star trek is criticized by 30 years old star trek.

[@yorneustein7851]

Can it be that we kinda fail the test ... very hard ... very much ... too an unbelievable amount ... almost as hard as Star Fleet failed at wolf 359

[@codeoptimizationware2803]

@@yorneustein7851 : You're using the name _Star Trek_ that you didn't make up yourself, that existed and produced a lot of material of its own for a long time before you came along. So YES, you must qualify it, yes, that's right. ...FAIL, badly! Why don't you just make up your own original whatever and change-up the crap out of that, what, no? Then you must qualify it, YES! **shoves mop into Yor Neustein's flipper-fin** Now swab the deck instead of pooping on it, poopdeck!

[@danielfietkau733]

@@codeoptimizationware2803 I don't get your point. It probably gets lost in translation.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

@@codeoptimizationware2803 what?

[@rockerboyrage1609]

It's fake trek

[@rafetizer]

Aw man, that scene with Kirk and Spock discussing profanity on the bus is gold.

[@odinsplaygrounds]

OG Star Trek predicated the low degenerate wanna-be Star Trek, aka Picard.

[@stevencoardvenice]

I laughed too.

[@Maxjoker98]

"Brilliantly written" and Kurtzman don't belong in the same sentence.

[@quuaaarrrk8056]

When you mean it 100% sarcastic, it fits quite well.

[@jogymogy3691]

Kurtzman doesn't even belong in my universe.

[@cerberus9704]

The fact that Kurtzman can still live without being sad from all this hate is astonishing.

[@hansellius]

I dunno. I've been working on a pitch for my new TV show, "Alex Kurtzman and the Brilliantly Written Suicide Note".

[@TankdozerCavalry]

YOU JUST PUT THEM IN ONE SENTENCE!

[@NeonVisual]

Klutzman doesn't seem to understand the evolution of language, and that people in the future would seem to not quite get what 21st century people talk about in the same way as 19th century people would sound a little off to us. BUT LOOK EXPLOSIONS AND EXPLETIVES WAAAAHH!

[@Rockmonanov]

Nat20 Damage or even just how to write a basic story that isn’t littered with plot holes and contradictions.

[@Cartoonman154]

@Nat20 Damage Kurtzman doesn't understand writing

[@alcoholandfun243]

A little off? Have you read Dickens? You have to re-read every 3rd sentence just to understand 😂 Yes, the writers are idiots.

[@aurex8937]

Explosions and Expletives is genius.

[@newdefsys]

Ya cant peddle social justice with an evolved language.

[@tomkerruish2982]

I still remember reading, decades ago, that Gene specifically forbade scriptwriters using modern slang, giving "Right on!" as an example. (It was likely in The Making of Star Trek, although possibly it was in The World of Star Trek.) Even the rather lackluster episode "The Way to Eden" used "future" slang. People will not be using present-day slang centuries from now, except for effect, like Tuvok did on VOY when he used the term "hot rod" when speaking to Paris, and you could hear the quote marks as he said it.

[@bS0up]

Yet he was still fine portraying women as being less than men, to the point where females could not be Star Fleet captains. Christ, the final episode of the original series has a woman switch bodies with Kirk in order to take over the Enterprise in what is considered to be one of the worst episodes of the franchise, based on a story by Roddenberry. Who cares about 21st century language in Picard when 20th century misogyny was alive and well in the original series?

[@Jupiter__001_]

@@bS0up Who says that male dominance in the military will not return in the future? It is very Whiggish of you to assume that history is an inexorable progress toward liberalism.

[@giin97]

@@bS0up there's only so much suspension of disbelief an audience is willing to accept. TOS had the first televised interracial kiss; the only reason they got away with it was because of "mind control." You seem to be judging a 50 year old show by your modern morals. There are very few things you could do that would be more meaningless than that. Even a work 5-10 years old, there would be no value in comparing with modern sensibilities.

[@bS0up]

@@beefar0ni you misunderstand, I'm not "cranky" about TOS at all, still go back and watch it frequently. I'm just aware that the problematic elements of it are more a product of its time. Just pointing out how its silly to praise Roddenberry for being against the use of modern slang while still portraying women in a very '60s manner. It's like he felt language would change before other meaningful social progress, which is kinda silly in hindsight.

[@TheWickedWizardOfOz1]

@@bS0up Well, it's still okay to praise him refusing to use it. It dates very quickly and doesn't feel right in a "future" setting. Much like the pervasive language of STP doesn't feel right in the Star Trek setting: it shouldn't belong in the world being created.

[@AlMcpherson79]

Why the robots on mars revolted: They were sick of the swearing.

[@aurex8937]

They were like the Demolition Man fine machine.

[@tehwin89]

@@aurex8937 Demolition man is better star trek than STP

[@Thathumanoverthere1701]

@@tehwin89 ok, this made me laugh. Thank you.

[@jennylongcor5957]

STP did nothing other than disgrace & debase centuries of Trek history & canon. I read people say 'I'm tired of hearing about Roddenberry's vision' just makes me sick. Trek IS Roddenberry. Hopeful, optimistic & Faith in humanity. To erase that, is destroying & earasing Trek. If people want a story like this, create thier own characters & vision for a franchise - don't continue to destroy the love of Trek

[@dandeliondown7920]

Well said, Jenny Longcor.

[@Cuthalu]

@Sprocket List It really seems that masses want to destroy all what is different in a positive way. We already have thousands of series and movies that aren't "too safe and unrealistic". Why should Star Trek be like that? A dosage of "unrealistic" utopia is beneficial for everyone; to show what could be instead of what is. I don't think all ST shows need to be 100 % family friendly but even with more adult themes and tones it could be done so much better than what we have now - modern Trek is juvenile and regressive.

[@jeremyjohnson8844]

Bravo, well said. Couldn't agree more.

[@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg]

Your post is garbage, Jenny. Don't get me wrong, I've loved Trek since the Original Series, but newer explorations of the universe don't 'destroy' earlier versions, and Roddenberry never intended for Star Trek to be a fossil. It was designed to be relevant and revolutionary. You treat it like religion, and Roddenberry would have hated that.

[@mrq1701]

I agree with you, but using the "Trek" label automatically buys them a group of viewers. Heck, I watched STD and STP just so I could see what we were getting. The corporate heads don't care if I hate it compared to TNG/DS9, they only care that I watched it. I will not watch any new Trek from this point forward, not unless it goes back to its TNG/DS9 type roots

[@snake56]

Going ass deep where no one has gone before.

[@Halo_Legend]

Stellar comment

[@burgertim7878]

You got that fucking right.

[@2490debrick]

McKellens said that once or twice to Stewart lol...

[@rgerber]

"piss me off" he eloquently said

[@marchizproductions4137]

We've been through the journey of Picard when he was respected, effective leadership, great listener, always does the right thing. He had authority, but he always uses it to create a better future. We've gone from this to now Picard being shamed for his life, shamed for his hard work, shamed for his accomplishments. He's constantly a laughing stock, a bumbling idiot who can't take control of a difficult situation. Runs into submission cowardly. Star Trek Picard is essentially a big middle finger to all the Star Trek fan base. Star Trek is not edgy or depressingly nihilistic. It's supposed to be hopeful, optimistic and a promising bright future for all of us.

[@JamesBlitz00]

this

[@mirarstudios]

Yup

[@O1OO1O1]

There's a lot to be said for the current population is actively working against creating a future like that, either because they're idiots who've been fooled into doing it, or deliberate.

[@mirarstudios]

Because much patriarchy, much toxic masculinity. Got to knock those hero's off their perches. Kind of sick mentality.

[@springbloom5940]

@@mirarstudios Marxism. Heros and icons must be corrupted and de-legitimized, to move forward. Stewart is a Commie, so of course he jumped at the opportunity to destroy a privileged, old, white man and make h subservient to edgy, entitled, outraged children.

[@Koshiro2k3]

Star Trek used to carry an atmosphere of culture, civilization, intellect. No more. NuTrek, in addition to all the other failings that are hinted at in the good Major's poignant videos, has no class.

[@christophercleary6780]

🎯

[@craigmarksully]

If Kurtzman was a green grocer, he'd only stock low-hanging fruit.

[@fischergriess6321]

Kkkkkk. Underrated comment

[@dimitriwarchief301]

This needs more likes

[@Taijifufu]

Badumbum tsssss

[@sel3735]

What I noticed since watching sci-fi as a kid is that future humans are still human, but 'different' in terms of language and behaviour, even in Enterprise and other sci-fi shows like Babylon 5. But, I think our language is actually deteriorating over the past few decades, especially with the increase of slang, vocal fry and social media. I don't understand how the characters in Picard can act more uncivilized than the post World War 3 humans in First Contact. Lily is a princess compared to Raffi.

[@getcrack4me]

I enjoyed the Lily-Picard dynamic in First Contact. If they wanted to place Picard in a degenerated state of Humans they could have easily had Picard sent back to our time and made a short series (an expanded version of DS9's Past Tense).

[@jamessalvatore7054]

Christ, that moment when Kurtzman's ideas are so bad that they make Annie Wilkens look like a SANE REASONABLE PERSON.

[@Princess2Warrior]

*x'D*

[@worldweaver2691]

I assume that she is the soup person. where is she from?

[@elisabethschmerzler963]

World Weaver She’s from “Misery”, a novel written by Stephen King and adapted into a movie with Kathy Bates playing Annie.

[@worldweaver2691]

@@elisabethschmerzler963 Ah a stepthen King character. rip that world.

[@elisabethschmerzler963]

World Weaver Why rip? I’m just a bit confused

[@DarkNova50]

When somebody doesn't understand what they're seeing, they'll fill in the gaps with what they know. Apparently, there's a lot about Star Trek that our dear friend doesn't understand.

[@snoopy7261]

Following that line of thought, what he does know is full of filth and depravity. He is a disgusting example of a human being.

[@dandeliondown7920]

@@snoopy7261 Also, Kurtzman wants to do a Section 31 series. He says that Empress Georgiou "radiates this incredible heart. People love her." [Los Angeles Times, May 9, 2019].

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

@@dandeliondown7920 He sounds like he has a soft spot for authoritarianism.

[@hansellius]

​@@Johnny-rx4hs Many of the woke crowd seem to.

[@JAnx01]

The destruction of our franchises is deliberate. They want us demoralised.

[@nizarific001]

Before the next Star trek is made, everyone involved need to sign a contract saying that they will watch all TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise followed by all major grin critiques of STD and Picard. Then and ONLY then can they know if they have done it right or not.

[@Foebane72]

I can only imagine that those people would see all of that previous Trek as QUAINT and OLD-FASHIONED.

[@katherinefreymuth2030]

Don't forget all the Star Trek films that didn't have JJ Abrams involved (minus perhaps Nemesis).

[@sebastianfitzptraick7395]

Giving actors like Patrick Stewart creative control is stupid, he should stick to what he's good at.

[@stevenyia2778]

Most ignorant comment ever lamo

[@duffeknol]

@@stevenyia2778 not really. Stewart has no idea about what makes Star Trek good, and he demanded access to the writer's room or he wouldn't do the show. He's arrogant, and greatly to blame for how poor the show turned out.

[@joshuanorris5860]

Amen

[@TheNinjaMarmot]

He's only as good as the lines written by someone else.

[@bloodysimile4893]

Bones: It a miracle that these people made it through the 20th century. 21st century: *Humanity driving off the cliff.*

[@889654]

Perhaps we will survive long enough for someone to utter Riker's comment, "Makes one wonder how our species survived the 21st century."

[@benfisher4598]

@@ogs_Boga1900 So hopefully after we hit our lowest point, there will be nowhere to go but up.

[@nostoevsky]

I mean World War 3 happened in Star Trek

[@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597]

@@nostoevsky And even before nukes started flying social stratification on economy is also severe (Bell Riots).

[@rayzermaniac5218]

I have always said that I would be happy with anything as long as we were getting a new Star Trek show. Picard tested that theory to my absolute limit. I almost broke. If season 2 isnt some form of improvement i dont think i will keep watching. How much entertainment did they think they were going to be providing showing an old man waddling about the stars being told off by some angsty woman every other second or sworn at for the rest of the time? Why oh Why Picard couldnt you save us with your precious starfleet ships? *A few episodes later almost 300 romulan ships show up out of nowhere.

[@SPTX.]

Almost? lol, what more can you cope with?

[@Foebane72]

You watched the whole season of Picard?? I couldn't stand more than a few episodes!

[@km-kl3lg]

I couldn't watch more than a few episodes. The language, the Romulans (Where the f is their military and Tal Shiar? Out of the blue the majority of them don't have ridges on their forehead anymore, long hair? Two Romulans catering to Picard on his vineyard??), the on screen brutality.

[@mattc9998]

Definitely not Major Grin's favourite line to quote: "in your very fine château"

[@snoopy7261]

That line and its delivery are a blemish on Star Trek as it sets my people back 60 years.

[@michaelkokot8700]

Why didn't Picard say "oh you mean my fine Chateau that was completely rebuilt after the fire that killed my brother and nephew? "

[@Funaru]

Also, couldn't she built or replicate her very own fine château on a Federation colony planet?

[@2bituser569]

Michael Kokot It wasn’t just free probably took credits or something from sale of the wine to rebuild it.

[@2bituser569]

Funaru I imagine if she wanted a decent place or a job you just apply at your nearest city. Remember they eliminated money and need for money to be used for common necessities like a home, clothes, medical, food and water.

[@jrs4753]

Maybe Q had a point when he called out Picard in episode 1

[@steverendle6827]

This sums up how terrible modern Star Trek is

[@benjaminlogan8946]

It's not modern Star Trek.... it's nothing.

[@mattuiop]

You can have the AAA budget, AAA choreography, and AAA actors, but if you have a shit writing team everything else doesn't even matter.

[@jackbj]

i can’t even express how disappointed i am with how nutrek has turned out. Is it too much to ask for a tng or ds9 style show, but with none of that terrible writing and story structure? I saw a glimpse of it in the episode where riker and troi showed up in picard, but that didn’t last long. It’s the curse of CBS All Access, they don’t have the pressure to actually put out a half decent show, they just come up with shows like Discovery and Picard. I have no hope for the upcoming animated Lower Decks show which is supposed to take place in the TNG era. Knowing them, they’re gonna break canon for the 500th time, everyone’s gonna be gay (gotta fill that quota, can’t be lacking on the inclusivity!), the Captain is gonna be an idiot, etc. It just makes me mad, yknow?

[@dragonknightleader1]

I think one has to BE an adult to write a Golden Era Trek episode. Gen X, who are the ones writing these episodes for Millenials, always have that "coolest kid in the room" attitude, moreso than the hippies that preceded them. The flaw is they don't think THAT deeply about what they're making or the implications of their art. The goal then becomes how edgy can their art be, hence the rise in gore porn and ST:P-esque shows. Stories became less about virtuous characters and more about character studies to finally spectacle porn. The level of maturity to write these kinds of characters goes down because it's much easier to project pessimism than optimism.

[@cerberus9704]

My thoughts exactly. Post a blog or something :). Even the fact that CBS is feeding on the money from their subscriptions and giving out less than half quality TV shows.

[@hansellius]

@JRPGFan20000 I mean, I hope so. I'd love to be a writer, and I'm learning to draw so I can make illustrations for my books, or make comics. One idea I have is a Star Trek comic, set in the early Federation. I'd love to make (hopefully good) stories for people. But the idea of putting my work out there in the current climate sometimes seems like a fool's errand.

[@hansellius]

Is it a coincidence that "Nu Trek" would, if you put the space in a different place, be "Nut wreck". Because I'll be honest, that's how watching Discovery felt to me at times. I never even had the courage to try Picard out.

[@hettfield]

It's in line with NuStarWars... They know the fans will watch it anyway, so they make it for the "new audiences"... this also is in line with the DCEU attitude about hope and good vs evil. There is just so much cynicism and apathy that they can't bring themselves to imagine that audiences would react well to a positive and hopeful message. The counter to their world view is, of course, the MCU. Captain America proves you can do good and hopeful well. I cancelled my subscription to CBS and wrote to them telling them why. I'm done with NuTrek... Discovery I could tolerate, but Picard was just too much.

[@drockjr]

0:10. Everytime I bring up this dudes doofy looking face, I get criticized. So ty for noticing too

[@axenledgie1423]

He's the ugliest sob I've ever seen on screen. Not worthy for an on-screen role.

[@drockjr]

@@axenledgie1423 he was having a whole incest thing to add insult to injury

[@KasumiKenshirou]

Should have Dr. Crusher ask him if if he's growing a beard or if his face is dirty.

[@DD-lm1gv]

Hang out with different people.

[@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe]

A small mind like Kurtzman can't even imagine anything beyond what is right in front of him...thus why Picard feels like it's just the 21st Century with space ships.

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

Kurtzman is not a dreamer, he's a wallower

[@Foebane72]

I bet Kurtzman's reasoning is "because it IS the 21st century??"

[@skyserf]

The differences in style between TOS,TNG,VOY,DS9,ENT and the recent STD/PIC are jarring.

[@melwugon3687]

I think TOS has also kinda jarring style difference than older treks

[@TheOneStooge]

@@melwugon3687 Eh. Still had the same style of story telling, moral lessons, and general structure. These new treks are practically unrecognizable. Take out the iconic ship designs and it's a totally different series.

[@melwugon3687]

@@TheOneStooge Well the show evolved over time. I would say TNG season 1 and TOS season 3 are very similar. However TOS season 1 seems totally different than DS9 season 7 or ENT season 3

[@melwugon3687]

@jason thomas ?

[@TheOneStooge]

@@melwugon3687 I disagree. The original Roddenberry and Berman Trek's were far more similar in tone and style even 30 years apart. Far more than the newest CBS foray into the 'verse.

[@MariaIsabellaZNN]

I think Chabon had a hand in this too because he basically said in an interview that he does not believe that language would ever evolve to a more decent and modest level than what it is at now, despite what Roddenberry depicted.

[@Cuthalu]

@Dr_Doctor If anything this feels like a money grab and a publicity stunt. There's no love for Star Trek to be seen in his comments.

[@marcocappelli2236]

@@Mademoiselle_Katie I heard cursing can release people's stress from daily issues. I don't think it would be of much use if we erase hunger, war and poverty...

[@ahmataevo]

How do you even know how to look for all this material to cut it together so brilliantly?

[@takerdust]

I wish JL could face the Nausicaans again.

[@vaska00762]

That's if somehow they don't "redesign" the Nausicans. Their appearances have been consistent through TNG, DS9 and Enterprise.

[@nxreliant1864]

I’m sure they’ll be portrayed as tree huggers and vegans. 🙄

[@bazzokzwattom2655]

@@vaska00762 That's not entirely true. The Nausicaan makeup, vocal effects, and heights of actors were noticeably different in Star Trek: Enterprise. See: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Nausicaan

[@rafaelkresmar3998]

This is exactly what I've felt what would happen with Picard. Patrick Stewart didn't want to return to do another Star Trek Show and people assumed that he agreed to Kurtzman because of the money but I suspected that Kurtzman simply presented a show to him that wasn't Star Trek and therefore he agreed. He agreed to do Star Trek Picard because it wasn't a Star Trek show and was pretty much the opposite of everything he came to dislike about TNG it wasn't an optimistic view on the potential of what Mankind could come to be Kurztrek was a pessimistic view on how humanity even hundreds of years into the future would still be the same garbage as today......

[@Kevbo2040]

Every single video this channel uploads is just another nail in the coffin of STD and STP. Those shows are so, so horrible...and I say that as someone who really loved DS9, and an ACTUAL, skilled, well-written look at the underbelly or 'dark side' of the Federation and humanity as a whole, in the Star Trek universe. It was done with SO much more skill and tact.

[@zipoites]

Nicely done but very depressing. I actually stopped watching the season during the 2nd episode because of the language used. This simply isn't Star Trek.

[@lianakriebel]

"But we had to be in a world that was not the same as the world of Next Generation." I GET IT! PICARD AND DISCOVERY TAKE PLACE IN THE JJ UNIVERSE!

[@nobodyyouknow1065]

As much as this hurt me to watch, I’d like to see it expanded and analyzed a little more. I’m into stuff like this.

[@albertannationalist]

As RedLetterMedia pointed out, the "heirloom furniture" gag doesn't even make sense. The Picard Winery's original chateau was destroyed in a fire during Star Trek Generations

[@StarWarriorCentral]

I had a dream last night that Star Trek: Picard ended up being different than in reality. It was actually a good show, similar to old Trek, but I don't remember all that happened. Too bad I had to wake up.

[@TammoKorsai]

Look up Star Trek Continues here on KZbin. The actors and writers really nailed the feel of classic Star Trek without abandoning what made it great.

[@duanebarry2817]

Thank you for putting this together. It really shows the contrasts in style and I suspect that Star Trek Picard will seem more dated in a 10 years than TNG because all of characters speak and act as if they're living in 2020. TNG had a 1990s feel, of course, but it never reached the level of ST Picard.

[@SchardtCinematic]

Damn Kirk and Spock must have started using colorful metaphors after they came back with the whales. Not to mention Gillian coming back from the 20th century, lol But why did it take another 100 years to catch on? joking. But sounds like an excuse klutsman might use.

[@elanderan1104]

It shows their immaturity and lack of sophistication. It makes you appreciate people like Gene Roddenberry and Leonard Nimoy more. They had sophistication, wisdom, decency, vision, and imagination. Now what do we have? Violence brought respect, respect brought peace. Sheer fu***** hubris. Ass deep in Romulans. Kurtzman disrespected Gene by going against his vision. What a travesty. No fire, flames or fins. He didn't think he needed to add no torture, gore, or profanity. Kurtzman likes our present day and likes being crass and sadistic. Gene wanted better and he could visualize it. Gene's writing checklist: Story, Continuity, Future, Progress, Hope, Wonder. Kurtzman's writing checklist: Violence, Explosions, Torture, Gore, Death, Misery, Politics.

[@dandeliondown7920]

Good summation, Elanderan.

[@theknightsofawesomeness2701]

And apparently all this change in language has to with the Dominion war. 😤

[@lightspeedjunky]

Pulling the trigger of a phaser sounds like when we "dial" phone numbers now...

[@giin97]

Except more than 1-2 generations removed.

[@adambrown3918]

Major? Have you ever spoke to Doomcock? He had a good Friday live chat about the ruination of Star Wars and Star Trek. I hope so. This willful destruction of our favorite fanchises has to stop.

[@snoopy7261]

Doomcock needs his filthy mouth washed out with soap as well. He has no business even attempting to critique this aspect of Trek's ruination. I hate even watching his channel because of the foul way he speaks. Disgusting.

[@NitpickingNerd]

Doomcock is a clickbaiter who pretends he has sources to make up wishful thinking rumors . None of his predictions ever came true

[@punishedDutch]

I MISS STAR TREK. 😭😭😭😭

[@bvansenu]

The thing is, humanity not acting perfectly at all times isn't the problem. A lot of TNG episodes had characters acting in a way that wasn't Roddenberry's enlightened vision of humanity and they still worked. The problem is when that behavior is not immediately met with disapproval by the rest of the crew because they all act that way. Humanity still had flaws in TNG, they just were always trying to address those flaws and do better.

[@queenyokoofkei3257]

This isn’t our Picard, this is “Crazy Steve” some guy who stole Picard’s identity . Linkara did a review of “All Star Batman and Robin” year ago. Batman was written as a completely unhinged psychopath and Linkara decided to treat it like this was another character entirely and called him “Crazy Steve”. So this Picard imposter is “Crazy Steve” as far as I’m considered. 😤

[@weareharbinger914]

Ugh, sir patrick stewart, a classicly trained, british actor saying 'ass' sounds so wrong.

[@anthonylosego]

Misery is absolutely off the hook!!! Oops, phone reference...

[@JonnyBlueChair]

Picard series was such a load of crap. Very disappointing.

[@KevinSmith-gu7fb]

I stopped watching during the second episode.

[@burgertim7878]

Nu-Trek in general is just so disappointing, it makes me miss ENT.

[@garym6315]

That Misery scene would have been better if it had ended with her saying "see what you made me do you fucking bastard!!"🤣

[@florsch6781]

This video is pretty amazing. The implication is very sad though...

[@met6192]

"Star Trek is a formula. It's not my idea, it's not your idea, it's not Paramount's idea. It's Gene Roddenberry's idea of the 24th century, and it's very important for me to remember that. Not because I'm 'faithful to Gene's legacy,' as people love to write; it's because that's what Star Trek is. To change that is to not be doing Star Trek anymore. Roddenberry's creation is a hopeful, idealistic, and arguably absurd view of the future: an era in which racism and poverty have been vanquished, and mankind combs the cosmos with a smile and a shoeshine. This vision is the genome that has defined Star Trek for three decades. It's a DNA string with an infinite potential for variation - but an unwavering premise." (Rick Berman 1996 Wired Magazine)

[@katey1dog]

MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TheSignOfZeta]

Now I want to watch Star Trek IV again.

[@Instinct101B]

I still stand by the assessment that the rock and roll start to that Scott Bacula abomination was when humanity stopped deserving Star Trek. I hope one day we earn back the privilege to boldly go without capturing more lens flair than could power a Dyson sphere.

[@O1OO1O1]

When they say "gun", you should have borrowed the clip from ProXD saying, "Gun, gun, gun" from his 'defective weaponry' clip

[@natew5544]

now im glad that i havnt seen star trek picard. TNG was very well written by intelligent people

[@arcadealchemist]

STD and Picard just turned the intelligence level of the show from GENIUS to . Durp

[@morlasa]

Kirk and Spock at 3:35 is really icing on the cake.

[@orangeapples]

A moment a lot like these is what finally got me to put down Mass Effect Andromeda. There is a scene that takes place in a bar type setup. I don’t really remember the moments that lead up to the line, but Ryder says, “Keep the change” like that is supposed to mean something in a 100% digital based currency. After that I pressed the uninstall button.

[@khfan4life365]

I can see Star Trek using light swear words, as they did in the older shows, but I can’t ever see them talking and acting like 21st century people.

[@NewtVervich]

Q back in S2 to laugh at Picard, basically.

[@leemayes4545]

This was absolutely brilliant! Like pretty much everyone else here, I'm appalled at what has happened to my beloved franchise... but this video is a really great way to show the difference. Well done!

[@lugodoc]

Worth all the research and editing you did, I hadn't realised how bad it had got.

[@LizardSpork]

I have friends who profess to be fans of Star Trek, who watched all the shows and buys the merch but say they like ST:P... What's the definitive way to tell if your friend has been replaced by Species 8247?

[@NebLleb]

If they're going bananas over stupid shit.

[@edwardaugustus9680]

This is father, he watched TNG as it was airing but he can't get enough of NeuTrek.

[@jamiebraswell5520]

Some people are idiot brand loyalists that will be there as long as the name is slapped on. They have no quality standards.

[@kibagami74]

Thank you for making this video. That had to take a lot of hours but very worth it. The fans are doing the best work.

[@7thBatallion]

"Sheer fucking hubris" is a damn good line tho.

[@murilopenagoncalves3831]

If Riker was dissapointed with the frozen crew's manners, he's going to be completly depressed after seeing this 'future' version of his friends and capitain.

[@bodvarson1933]

There were some things I liked about Picard. The dialogue writing wasnt one of them.

[@AegisHyperon]

It's like Kathleen Kennedy always said "it's hard to create a show that has no prior work you can reference"

[@viktormatilcak25]

This does make Kelvin timeline movies watchable new trek

[@JoeyVSupreme]

I love how ST: Picard tried to go full SJW and make it seem like Picard was an entitled, patriarchal male. Because he lived in a chateau, and had a well off life. Forget that he saved the galaxy. And was a career scientific officer. But let’s praise the Junkie mom who abandoned her kid and does literally nothing to make herself into a better person.

[@cqtaylor]

Gotta admit, the 1980s writers of TNG were so focused on the science, they forgot the staying power of linguistic slang and culture. Hell, "scapegoat" and "ring-around-the-rosies," is centuries old, but we still refer to them today. With audio, video, and cinema preserved from the 20th and 21st centuries, it would be weird to not know what "taking a leak," means. By the way, the word "fuck" originated from the 16th century, so grow the fuck up prudes. If anything, the only reason why the word wasn't used in the syndicated series was due to censorship policies.

[@aaronsnyder5989]

I remember a quote from the bad guy in the TNG episode The Masterpiece Society that goes something like "you don't want your great artists becoming garbage men, or worse your garbage men becoming artists" I know he was the bad guy but I fear Star Trek may have proven his point. Alex Kurtzman is a garbage man acting as Star Trek's artist.

[@jamesbell1186]

3:49 the fact Kirk is calling out the trends that the Picard show is falling victim to is so ironic it physically hurts

[@kristjanpeil]

"It's a primitive culture, I'm just trying to blend in."

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

MASTERFUL edit!! Loved it.

[@TheBermudaMan]

It's like we missed an episode of TNG where everyone in the entire galaxy was hit by a de-evolution ray that turned them into potty-mouthed Neanderthals.

[@elanderan1104]

4:09 Why are they even fighting? What was the point of this garbage? I know it's probably political in some way. I can't keep up with the narratives.

[@NitpickingNerd]

She was angry at her deadbeat dad and took it out on the immigrant girl who had a great mom by the way . Dads are bad and moms are good

[@alextirrellRI]

I mean, one big difference is network broadcast television (in the late 80's/early 90's) versus a subscription based streaming service in 2020. While it doesn't 'excuse' the inconsistencies, the dumbing down of terminology and the regression in societal norms, it does allow for more colorful language...

[@SuperB1971]

I never saw ST: Picard. I heard it sucks. After watching this video I don’t want to watch it.

[@liam89th]

The Misery clip was perfect!

[@littlesneets8026]

0:08 That one caught me off guard

[@TheRealNormanBates]

6:07 I’m glad I wasn’t drinking anything. Someone needs to show this to Alex. 😉😁

[@richardparnell8402]

The show Enterprise is where Star Trek ended for me, i just cant get into Discovery and Picard.

[@nicholasbrassard3512]

Agreed, I feel the same

[@2bituser569]

We will never outgrow our broken human condition. Thinking we can “heal” ourselves of all the evil that plagues us is sheer f’ing hubris. The phrase “physician heal thyself” is why we can’t fix our negative qualities.

[@atomiswave2]

God I can't take it. The new thing is so awful

[@cobblebrick]

Captain Jean Luc Picard used the word "ass deep" my childhood is ruined

[@ThisCanBePronounced]

Major Grin may be my favorite KZbin essayist - the vids even go into my playlist for such videos - and Major Grin doesn't even speak in the videos! Superior talent!

[@danielyeshe]

To be fair, I don’t know why I am being fair, Riker does say ‘Hang up’ in The Ensigns of Command.

[@jean-guygeoffroy8391]

Excellent analysis... Great research !

[@ClannerA01]

I have a watchlist running on my second monitor while i'm working, i'm also constantly resisting the urge to throw the monitor at the wall while this was playing. See, no violent reaction, just don't take my blood pressure right now.

[@tonyfabulous6775]

@3:42 above kirk's head the signage says "sometimes necessary"... swearing is sometimes fcuking necessary

[@campbelldowler1396]

There's a reason Avery Brooks refuses to return to Star Trek and reprise his role as The Sysko.

[@Quotheraving]

Roddenberry's Star Trek was unrealistically idealistic but it had a clear vision that he thought we should all aspire to. The new stuff is just lowest common denominator pap and seeing the two compared like this really drives home the point that Kurtzman Trek is only superficially similar.

[@solobricksstudios]

I’ll never understand trying to change a fictional universe that prides itself on being better.

[@Redshirt434]

Even Enterprise took a shot at Pickerd! :D

[@granthewmiller8012]

You can’t just blame Picard on Kurtzman, you have to put blame on Stewart as well

[@cloverfield911]

Can anyone remember when Kirk said on The Voyage Home that everyone in this primitive 20th century time swore ever second word......clearly indicating how alien it would be to swear in the 23rd century??

[@au9parsec]

It seems like shows from the 80's and 90's didn't have swearing in them like modern shows do.

[@alexmckee4683]

Thing is, it isn't the swearing itself that's really the problem (though it is jarring in something calling itself Trek). If it were used intelligently, rather than just trying to make the characters sound like contemporary Californian hipsters, it would not be so objectionable. E.g. "ass-deep in Romulans" etc is not just crude it is also essentially meaningless, a worthless metaphor.

[@Supahpowahnerd890]

One of the best things about TNG was the sophistication of the characters. Not just the main protagonists but many of the characters in general carried themselves in a dignified, mature way. They still were distinct and had flaws, but it was clear they were morally mature adults who grew up in a society that nurtures civilization. It was more than just not swearing or modern slang, they had self-control and held themselves to a high standard of conduct. Above that they valued beauty, virtue, and intellect. Despite being centuries in the future, classicism whether from Shakespeare, Rostand, Doyle, Melville, Verne, etc. was familiar to and beloved by them. The ideal future that was envisioned was more than just an absence of physical neglect and sickness. It portrayed a future of mature, self-actualized individuals.