Just How Powerful Is An Avatar Of Khaine Really? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@majorkill]

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[@withlovefromlightindust591]

Hello Majorkill, Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.

[@Penguin_Happy]

Talk to me

[@Goldenking752]

Video idea what if the emperor wanted to be worshipped as a god and had created the imperial cult in order to defeat the chaos gods

[@monkofbob]

Subtly flashing the supercar

[@juliane.mfarias9285]

Fulgrim choking an avatar to death has the same veracity as Slanessh getting "tired"

[@504godzilla]

Right? Like when did slannesh get lungs

[@mcarrowtime7095]

@504godzilla You don’t need lungs to get tired. A being of pure thought energy still needs and uses energy to exist, meaning it can still run out if that energy

[@hardbassdoge8750]

Well I think it's supposed to be written as a form of mythology as actual battles between gods would be incomprehensible

[@akatsukicloak]

@@mcarrowtime7095 True, considering Slaanesh needs to feed (assuming out of neccessity), it functions out of finite energy.

[@seanmadson8524]

​@@akatsukicloak I don't think Slaanesh feeds on souls to sustain itself, as with food. I see it more like they have an unslakeable thirst for the most perverse and selfish of all acts, consuming the souls of others as a form of amusement that it is inescapably addicted to

[@notribadsvault]

They’re enough to make a helmeted, unnamed Astartes tremble.

[@MegaGanash]

Idk, if he has a beak then he might win still

[@JoelAbbi]

specifically Ultramarines

[@humanman4152]

“Oh honourable battle brother, how do we face this foul xeno god?” “Do not be afraid battle brother, I know how” *Takes off helmet*

[@justkilroy]

"LADS, BRING THE CLOWNS, WE GONNA TROLL THESE MONKEIGH RUFFIANS"

[@TheWarmachine375]

As Stan Lee would say, "it all depends on who's writing the characters to be powerful in the story they make."

[@alterego9082]

man, he killed powerscallers

[@boogymanjunior6037]

True and terrible

[@SamueL-td7fb]

Deserved ​@@alterego9082

[@azagorod8479]

And then there were diff fanbase born to analytical powerscalers and their headcannon opinion "facts."

[@brownwindedangel]

Right the problem with that is though is that once a writer establishes what a character is capable of any time where they lose when they shouldn’t isn’t bad powerscaling it’s bad writing

[@danguinius3654]

6:35 in Priests of Mars, an Avatar is shown to heal itself while dueling a black templar reqlusiarch, so they have some level of regeneration.

[@aztecaz547]

The same is shown in Warboss when the Avatar took on three potential ork warbosses

[@firmak2]

When the heck did that happen? Its been a minute sinci i read it and seem to have comoletely blanked out in that part

[@mrsamaritan6881]

Something to consider is that each shard of Khaine may not be equal. It's silly to assume that Khaine shattered into shard that are exactly the same size and power as each other. Theorically, a weaker shard might result in a comparatively weaker Avatar while a larger shard might result in a more power Avatar.

[@boogymanjunior6037]

Thinking the same (from what I've gathered, the Marneus fight would still be BS tho). I wonder if they get empowered post-Great Rift era same as with the Emperor etc.

[@mcarrowtime7095]

Likely would, considering any warp-based beings/powers in the physical realm were strengthened by the rise in available warp energy

[@poodlescone9700]

I never considered this possibility. This makes a lot of sense.

[@rensis1621]

I have wondered this aswell. Also if this is the case, would the Exarch know how powerful of an Avatar should he expect or he just hopes for good rng?

[@Lerciezje]

thinking about Avatars slayed by single space marine, when you think of them as a testicle hair kind of shard, makes me feel better about having them die so easily, but than again, the sacrificed Autarch probably had more combat power in the first place so.... why? Of all races, Eldar should be aware of what kind of power can they bring through the ritual of awakening Avatar.

[@notribadsvault]

I much prefer the old version where Khorne intervenes in the fight with Khaine. You’re telling me these guys have almost the exact same name and aspect and have NEVER fought?

[@mcarrowtime7095]

@504godzilla I’d say they’re more likely to be bro’s

[@erdene2476]

Fighting is how theyd solidify their brotherhood

[@Pyre]

A standing lore theory is that they may be fundamentally connected. Their domains of influence are exactly the same, Khorne only technically being a "bigger" concept because he's the god of all Violence outright. This also applies to Isha and Nurgle, Life gods both. The theory falls apart a bit if you try to match the rest of the Eldaar pantheon up, but then again Cegorach and Tzeentch are both Tricksters..m

[@loganbaxter4685]

Just look at Khaine’s head. It looks extremely similar in shape to a bloodletter’s.

[@EruCoolGuy]

@@loganbaxter4685 If you take the old lore about how Chaos came to be (not the one that states it's always been there), this makes quite a damn lot of sense.

[@AnA10Pilot]

Cool vid, i enjoy seeing the Avatar getting a fair shake. What i do know is that he fucking claps on the table top. Played in a tournament last weekend and over 6 games he only died once, at the bottom of turn 5 in that game. He was a whirlwind, cleaving thru multiple terminator units, dreadnaughts, and various tanks

[@brettwood1351]

Give me a lore story where he fights Angon or some other Daemon Primarch, and the battle gets so intense the moon they are on gets knocked out of orbit and crashes into a planet. That'd be so metal.

[@kadewiedeman3127]

"More Avatard content." Ah there it is, there's a hint of the old Majorkill, like a snort of coke off a pinky finger. Glad to see it's still in there somewhere, beating Timmy with an extension cord for all eternity.

[@sidnaciousnesssmith6580]

Getting into it at 1:30

[@lewisss3131]

legend

[@gbone1619]

Nothing was sicker than when the avatar and blood thirsted fought in the og dawn of war

[@yaboijai122]

I swear me and my homies did that, Like it was so fun making the two duel

[@jonmcgee6987]

When myself and my friends played 40K many years ago. One of my friends played Eldar and used an Avatar of Khaine. We made a rule that when he used the Wailing Doom. He had to make a turkey gobble noise when he did.

[@brettwood1351]

And you told this story just in time for Thanksgiving!

[@DzinkyDzink]

It was a part of the Curse placed upon Khaine when he was shattered as a punishment for his lifetime of indiscriminate killing - whenever he's summoned to do what he's meant to do he is always doomed to lose the battle. Imagine someone summons him for another purpose and the curse does not apply?

[@-AxisA-]

Where is this part of lore said?

[@thomascoolidge2161]

I remember a book I read.. I think it was an Iron Warriors book where the Eldar manifested an Avatar who proceeded to spend random chapters in the book walking across worlds trying to get to the world/battle that the book was focused on.. One world the Avatar showed up on was in the middle of an Ork Waaaaagh. The Avatar proceeded to single handedly end the Waaagh by walking across the battlefield and burning the orks that tried to get to him then destroy the Ork Warlord. The sad thing was if I remember correctly by the end of the book when it finally showed up main battle it got wrecked by a Chaos demon. It did sway the tide of the battle but I remember it being killed in a way that felt like such a loss after everything it managed throughout the book. Also... In 4th Edition I managed to kill an Avatar with a single blow from my Grey Knight Grandmaster's Nemesis Force weapon.. sucked for my opponent as he didnt realize the Avatar was considered a Demon so was at a disadvantage when he assualted my GM. He expected to kill me but if I remember correctly since he was a demon he lost initiative assualting me and I got to attack first and killed him outright.

[@hippiecheapskate]

that was shadowpoint by Gordon Rennie. It's a BFG novel focusing on the eldar and imperial fleets. It's probably the best depiction of eldar and the avatar GW have produced, everything Gav Thorpe does is written from the perspective that the eldar have to always lose and suck in everything they do. Big emo crybabies.

[@franciszekw6907]

Thanks for Eldar lore, i don't enjoy playing tabletop 40k very much but usually after your videos i have urge to paint something from my 40k Eldar collection. Cheers from Poland.

[@arionofotherworld]

Older lore makes more sense with Khorne noticing that a portion of his own power got swiped by Slannesh and their fight enabling Khaine to shatter himself to escape them. Also in the oldest lore the Avatar was more powerful than any individual Greater Deamon ( and should have beaten Fulgrim into the floor ), it was later editions that heaped humiliations on him in the lore.

[@erathorsmash6941]

Hey Majorkill, a video on the different type of elite chaos space Marines (Khorne Berserkers, Plague Marines, Rubric Marines etc) would be really cool I think. Loving your videos as always!

[@joolsv4125]

DONT FORGET THE KAKOPHONI

[@joolsv4125]

MORE NOISE

[@TheWarmachine375]

Avatar of Khaine in lore: *powerful and formidable even if they're shadows of Khaine after being shattered to pieces* Avatar of Khaine in tabletop and memes: *a chewtoy in a nutshell*

[@arvintob]

same with the Swarmlord, just another punching bag for a named character, heck even the Norn Assimilators look more terrifying than it

[@pepperjack3777]

You got those backwards my guy, the Avatar on tabletop is an unstoppable monster that would body titans and even the deamon primarchs like angron and mortarion.

[@Pyre]

​@@pepperjack3777I was gonna say, current Avatar rules can one-shot everything else you'll ever reasonably see in the game, if they roll well.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

[The Avatar of Khaine is the strongest weapon in the Eldar arsenal.] Wraithknights, revenant titans, phantom titans, vampire hunters, etc. : "Are we -a joke- an avatar of Khaine to you?"

[@fadelsukoco3092]

Here are some ideas for consideration: What if every Astartes Legion staged a coup on the Emperor and took over the Imperium? How would they rule it and how successful would it be, compared to the canon Imperium? (this is all legions on the same side with minimal Chaos influence on events) What if 2 Primarchs held the Warmaster position cooperatively, under the assumption that those who would take issue at one Warmaster would respect the other one more and they could thus overall be more productive? Which nonhuman species would be the best fit for Chaos to take over and attain galactic dominance? If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors? What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids? What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes? What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium? What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged? How would each Heresy/Crusade-era Primarch and Legion fare against the modern Tau Empire? What if one of the Primarchs landed on a xenos world and was raised by them? What if the Eldar managed to kill Angron before he was enslaved? What if another power rose to power during M31 instead of the Imperium, such as the Ullanor Orks, the Rangdan, or the Necrons via the Silent King returning early? What if the Beast Orks grew to threaten the Imperium before the Heresy could happen? What if the Tyranids arrived in M31, before the Heresy could happen? What if all of the Perpetuals stayed loyal to the Emperor and led the Great Crusade?

[@leigon.]

Damn these are all some amazing ideas

[@mcarrowtime7095]

@504godzilla We saw what happened when half the legions staged a coup

[@crossfit_carpenter]

Here's a video idea! What chaos faction would the loyalist primachs join (chaos undivided not an option, they have to choose one of them)

[@ЯрОк-и2й]

What If the World Eater's Librarians succeeded in preventing Lorgar from turning Angron into a Deamon Prince.

[@diekrahe.]

That's easy, he would die due to the nails

[@nmr7203]

I second that, he just die from the nails. Not an interesting video topic.

[@Archon3960]

I have a few more. What if the Dark King plot point was used to convince Horus instead in the vision? Or what if Konrad listened to Sanguinius? Or what if Calgar died on Vigilus? Or what if Sanguinius fell to Slaanesh and took up Ka'riss on their offer? Or what if the Kabal failed to turn the Alpha Legion?

[@ЯрОк-и2й]

@@nmr7203 I'd argue that It is an interesting topic. The minor and middle level changes aside the Traitors will not only lose their battering ram but our glorious Hawk boy would tear the traitors a fifth butt hole with Angron not being there to slow down his brother's progress. Not tired after fighting an almost unkillable killing machine that was Deamon Prince Angron he will force Horus to power up faster, which will either kill him faster or result in Horus not immediately killing him after powering up to finish his monologue, this might just allow him to survive long enough to actually link up with the Emperor, possibly surviving. The other way the setting might change is by traitors failing to make enough ground due to lacking their battering ram causing the Emperor to not take the risk of teleporting into the Vengeful Spirit, so both Horus and the Emperor might end up surviving The Siege Of Terra.

[@ЯрОк-и2й]

@@Archon3960 I can second these, although my personal pick would be the Alpha Legion remaining loyal. I simply want these guys to do something for once that's not self sabotage.

[@alekwhite5560]

Theory with the sacrifice explains everything tbh. Quality not quantity. Abdorbing one another is similar to magnus. Thats how the eldar have a last ditch effort to win or trump card. Eldar reform khaine, necrons way is trazyn unleashing the grok .

[@marcashman9767]

I remember when I played (2nd edition) that Avatars, hive tyrants, and greater daemons were true beasts and would go one on one for many many turns, and the rules at the time ment there was never really a time they'd get downed by standard troops

[@LB-yg2br]

Yea I remember 2E….and abaddon could easily solo an avatar of khaine…

[@danieldragotti2608]

Avatar of kain: let us fight in honorable combat Swarm lord: lol big bugs go burr

[@ЯрОк-и2й]

What If Kharn joined the World Eater rebellion against the nails.

[@Sawarynk]

1:00 we call them PRs sir.... *sips tea in superiority*

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

more like Wankaarys

[@ccarroll4339]

It's the worf effect. Mighty warrior, instant win usually, has to get its ass kicked on the regular for dramatic effect. Same thing as Thanos beating Hulk super easily.

[@The_Magus_Teacher]

My favorite example of a Avatar is the one in the Cain book, Choose your Enemies, where one bodies a demon prince of Slaneesh, obviously with Cains assistance, but still

[@stripeybag6977]

Sad, no Majorkill stripping video again upon 4 Phoenix Lords and 3 Aspect Warriors including Warp Spiders getting new models.

[@TheHorreK2]

I like to think that Khain was shattered un-evenly which could explain the rollercoaster of powerscaling

[@flaygen123]

Guys can we take a moment to appreciate the major flex that Majorkill does during the promotion? A moving shot of him in his personal gym with his high performance car in the background while also showing that he does take care of himself. Top marks!

[@Johan-tq3fk]

DAY 91: A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions, this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces. Giving the traitors a boost in numbers and cohesion, plus a lot of important named characters. it would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the possible succes of the heresy.

[@mcarrowtime7095]

I’m not sure there were actually any loyalist forces in the thousand sons, and there’s no way of knowing enough about the alpha legion to know

[@Johan-tq3fk]

@@mcarrowtime7095 Of those that survived the burning of prospero, a few sorcerors stayed loyal and contributed quite lot to the loyalists. But in this "what if" the thousand sons would turn traitor before the burning, because seeing a full strength traitor TH legion would be really cool. For the alpha legion if omegon turns traitor the legion would probably be way more effective, but how much more effective is up to interpretation.

[@Shakeandbake-ft7ps]

You should do a video on what would happen if each primarch got chosen to be war master

[@juliane.mfarias9285]

Done

[@cbev1249]

i really want to see some cinematic with an avatar of khaine. I imagine it would look kinda like a balrog in an eldar shape

[@hithere589]

1:00 A friendly reminder that Raycon are mid and majorkill is being paid to endorse it, enjoy the video

[@JohnJohn-r4l]

No way they gave Khaine’s actual sword the name “widow maker” that’s so fucking lame IT’S NOT EVEN THE ONLY WEAPON IN THE SETTING NAMED WIDOWMAKER 😭🙏

[@matijasostojic4288]

Should've called it "Eat this slaanesh!" And he would have won their battle.

[@justinanderson2460]

FINALLY! The Avatar of Khaine gets some genuine respect and a properly objective analysis. Thanks Major, I've been wanting this video for ages. I knew you, as a fellow Eldar fan, wouldn't do the War God dirty and you didn't disappoint at all. I just wish more people were aware pf the lore where Avatars were badass and that they get more of it in the coming years🤘 P.S. Mad art as always, pass on my props to Alex please👌

[@johnconnor2572]

Majorkill: "The only Eldar god able to resist Slaanesh" Cegorach: *Laughs in Harlequin*

[@sickjoe9174]

The idea of tryin to honor duel a Swarmlord is hilarious. "honor? duel? bitch i'm hungry...and so is my family, get the hell outta here!"

[@jonathanventigan790]

Since were talking about shards of gods, how about the C'tan shards? (Guess that depends on what shard and C'tan)

[@jonathanmoore4137]

Always love the uploads mate

[@TrickshotFactory677]

Every time Terra was Almost Destroyed/Overrun

[@LordOmnissiah]

Hey Major, I found something while searching KZbin and the web. Apparently there WAS some semi-official lore written by Graham McNeil about the unknown 11th Primarch. It was written on some website called the Great Crusade that was run by Laurie Goulding and which existed prior to the heresy books being written. The 11ths lore said his legions colors were yellow, red, and blue and the Primarch’s name was Malibron and that the reason he got purged was of some campaign on a planet called Gedren Prime. Apparently he Exterminatus some Mechanicus planet after he got a good chunk of his legion killed and then tried to steal some forbidden cloning tech so Corvus and Rus dragged his ass in chains back to Terra to face judgment. The Emperor then presumably had the history books changed to appease the Mechanicus who were baying for blood and also psychically altered everyone’s memories to forget him. I wouldn’t be surprised if that cloning tech is the same thing Corvus used for his failed raptors.

[@The8Disciples]

Majorkill talk about Lhykis or spider mommy

[@Nurgleoneshot]

Shoulders looking yolked lately! Good job.

[@hazel5092]

As powerful as the plot demands

[@Nav-t6q]

G'Day Majorkill. A few videos back you talked about Chaos showing the Imperium respect. A few videos before that you mentioned that you have not read the Gaunt's Ghosts books. There's an amazing example of Chaos showing respect in one of the Ghosts books. To set the stage, Mkoll is infiltrating an Imperial facility that has been overrun by Chaos who are now occupying the facility. Mkoll has overpowered a Chaos Officer named Olort, who is leading him through the Chaos forces (Mkoll has his knife against the Officer's spine). At some point they come across these awesome, magnificent representations of the Emperor. This stuns Mkoll. Here's the passage in question... ‘Why have these not been torn down?’ Mkoll asked Olort. Olort seemed surprised. ‘They show him as he is,’ he replied. ‘Why would we break those?’ ‘I don’t understand.’ ‘The Urdeshi know the deeper truths,’ said Olort. ‘They are kin to us. They understand the fluidity. You cannot stand upon a border line for generations and not see both sides.’ Olort glanced up at one of the images. ‘See him there, not as a false emperor surrounded by saints. He is shown as the machine, as the mutation, a force of war. He has always been a creature of the deep warp, warped like us. You know him only as you want to see him.’ Olort made a gesture of respect to the engravings. ‘You worship him?’ Mkoll asked. ‘Nen, we respect,’ replied Olort. ‘He is no god, nor is he an emperor. But a prophet? Kha. Yes. He has seen the enlightenments of the Eight Powers and witnessed the truth of the warp. Ghost, your kind… they follow blindly. They see what they want to see. The Holy Lord, blessed of all, defying the darkness. But he stands in the darkness, beyond the curtain of death, fed by the warp and changed by it. He is a brother to us, a brother we must sadly fight to subdue until he renounces his insurrection.’ Olort looked at him. ‘You know nothing of this?’ he asked. ‘It makes no sense.’ ‘This is because of your breeding. The indoctrination of your heretical culture. Do you… not know why we fight?’ ‘You fight to annihilate.’ Olort shook his head sadly. ‘You are a man of war, Ghost,’ he said. ‘You have spent your whole life, I’d wager, serving your Throne in the field of battle. And you have never stopped to wonder what those you fight believe in? What our cause is?’ Mkoll didn’t reply. ‘We fight to bring you back,’ said Olort. ‘We fight to break your mindset and your blind beliefs. To make you see the truth and embrace it. Your prophet- lord has seen it, but he can no longer speak it, so your kind, they fight on according to ancient decrees and fossilised laws, things you believe are what he would have wanted. He is of us, and will be welcomed back to our bosom on such day as his followers finally lay down their swords and accept the warp-truth. Your faith in a man that was never a god has blinded you for ten millennia.’ ‘No,’ said Mkoll simply. ‘This is the way of it,’ replied Olort. ‘You think we are the darkness. But you are the darkness. Your ignorance is a shadow on your eyes and a fog in your mind. We fight to deliver you from that. We fight, Ghost, to save you.’ Hooroo.

[@Troupe_Master]

Short answer......yes it is , because it isn't a space marine and its not blue

[@lightborn9071]

Avatar: I challenge you to an honorable duel! Swarmlord: Yeah...

[@AnthroTsuneon]

I think I've seen this Majorkill video before, but at least it's different enough to enjoy both

[@patrickstar1-f9o]

Video idea: The Consortium explained.

[@ScouserLegend]

Do a vid on what story lines theyve stopped writing about but should continue

[@firmak2]

I think some of the avatar shard shenanigans can be explained away with the shards not being equal, some bigger than others

[@calebhendricks1375]

One of my favorite (and kinda only) avatar of khaine moments ive read is when 3 ork bosses competing for warboss try and kill an avatar of khaine that was guarding a eldar webway gate. The orks got fucked and the only reason any of them survived was because the bloodaxe ran seeing he couldnt best it and guardsmen mistook the avatar for a deamon and decided to shoot it causing the avatar to change targets

[@moderncrusader5128]

Explain the various Psyker disciplines from all the factions

[@zachstanford1072]

Ima be real with you boss , I miss Timmy

[@Adept24]

Always loved the Avatar, looks great and his entire background is awesome, its a shame that GW put him as Worf. There was a great old story from Epic where he picked up a human who was begging for his life and his heart popped out and started bubbling in the Avatars hand. Nice that he got a new model as well 😊

[@Pyre]

Said this in another video about Khaine, but; at his strongest, he could outclass *everything* else in the setting, in the Warp and out. C'Tan, Chaos, did not matter. At his *weakest*, he fought Slaanesh to a standstill. Even assuming the newer lore is correct, the god who devoured the entire rest of the pantheon couldn't do any more than break him. Every single Avatar of Khaine should be equal in power to the Emperor at the start of the Great Crusade. Damn near at LEAST. The idea that the different shards can be different levels of power is nearly the only thing sort of justifying this not being the case.

[@Blackking-g3k]

Video starts at 1:30

[@enriquegd2977]

very powerfull, if the rolls go well they can oneshot another 400+ points monster in a round and its T12 14W, 2+ save 4+invul, halve damage make him pretty tough. Basically, McCalgar gets turned into a fine red mist.

[@brettwood1351]

I just read Warboss, and the Avatar in that did have some regeneration, with the molten iron of it's body filling in wounds. It also took on three candidates for Warboss of the Ork WAAAGH, killed two, and hurt the third badly enough he couldn't chase after it once some guardsmen showed up and aggroed it like idiots.

[@brickwall9781]

There's gotta be a name for this trope. Where a super-powerful character, if they have the ability of regeneration/resurrection, then they will be written to die/get beat up plenty of times just on that basis

[@zeinnanla5422]

It doesn't factor in regeneration but we do have the term "Worf Effect"

[@sketchysco3887]

Majorkill. Make your videos 15-20 minutes long. I know it’s probably a retention thing for you, but in reality most people watching that are actual fans will watch the whole 20 minutes of your videos. Love that you’re a nerd and in the gym and on your grind. I can relate to that brotha, that’s why I watch you. Make these videos a little longer fam

[@mamamiazakaria7481]

In Warboss by Mike Brooks, the Avatar of Khaine makes an appearance and regenerates several times from devastating blows so it does have some sort of healing factor similar to the Necrodermis of the Necrons, but it hasn’t been shown off in its most notorious fights I guess (Fulgrim and Marneus Calgar). Warboss is great, one of the few books to really bring justice to the Bloody Handed God too

[@brettwood1351]

Did turn out to be vulnerable to getting Aggroed. I mean it was still alive last we saw, which is likely going to not be the case for the Imperial Guardsmen that started shooting at it. I did like it just melting any melee weapons that didn't get away from it in time.

[@mamamiazakaria7481]

@ oh yea absolutely, when 3 10ft+ warbosses gang up on you anybody will struggle with it, but in the end it survived all of it (and managing to kill 2 of those orks warbosses) and then some which is just crazy, honestly im also ready to think it destroyed a good part of that guard regiment since they didnt have any tanks before finally being put down

[@brettwood1351]

@@mamamiazakaria7481 I'm willing to bet the Guard went with the "collapse that whole section of hive" plan.

[@joshuawilson1861]

Eldar are pointy pin cushions.

[@Ollidol]

Stuff like the avatars, swarmlord, greater deamons and i bet som other are perfect for GW to show how powerfull some character/ faction is without much consequence.

[@Mamba8460]

What if the Emperor wasn’t able to reach Nuceria in time to prevent Angron dying from the High Riders? How would having one less available Primarch affect the heresy with more lopsided sides? What would happen to the War Hounds? What would happen to Nuceria? Who do you think would go to Khorne? Or what if Guilliman found Angron before the Imperium found Guilliman?

[@Angron_Of_Nuceria]

They put up a good fight with Angron on the table! I really enjoy getting to brawl them !!!

[@chrisbeau76]

Currently his Data sheet is stronger than most C'tan shardes, with the Void Dragon being an exception... They all take half damage from attacks, except most C'tan move a lot slower due to the fact they rweallty dont want to be combat slaves to the Necrons and Khaineis really fast and is able to fight while not being enslaved.

[@paulellington1505]

A pissed off walking volcano with a sword should be more of a threat than most GW writers make them. Hopefully the avatars will get more respect but with Space Marine popularity still growing I think that they will still be a boss fight for main characters.

[@lokensicarius9347]

Avatar Of Khaine can also empower too, theres a story of one shard turning its back on the eldar and empowering orks to be more bigger meaner an organised an this is while the shard was out of their reach.

[@jonpeacock5580]

Super curious about a Ctan shard vs advantage of Khaine

[@AndyAshworth-h6w]

As someone said, depends who's writing the story, could the size and power of the shard that the crafworld posesses be a factor?

[@Muscleman09]

I think the most likely reason why avatars of Khaine seem to be so inconsistent in strength is that all the shards have different strengths. Some may be smaller shards of Khaine, making them weaker, while others are likely larger, making them stronger.

[@argeltal_thewordbearer]

I read Fulgrim about 5 years ago and don`t remember details but didn`t purple wanker punch a hole in avatar`s head? The choking part seemed to be holding it in place until his "brains" (molten metal) poured out

[@patrik9328]

Papa Smurf Calgar only won because he is depressed and he imagined that Avatar was Sicarius

[@MayoForBrains]

8:58 how many weapons and character are called Widowmaker in this damn universe for Emperor’s sake!

[@joncarter3761]

100% agree it's the Warf effect, Avatars are ridiculously powerful but used as a way to give a named character a pretty big victory in the lore unfortunately, same as the swarmlord :(

[@aaroncarney7733]

What's awesome is the Eldari and Imperium are in a pseudo alliance and I think they are mostly going to stay that way (with lots of drama of course) which means moving forward the stakes and enemies will be equivalently boosted. More Necrons awakened, more Tyranids, Orc Bosses leveling up, and Tau reaching their next level of technology...and I suspect in another 20 years of lore the Tau will have an AI revolt

[@Goyimdemduc]

Please majorkill never change you're intro i like thé duuuuhn thud 😂

[@Outside85]

Feels like most of these are 'as powerful as they need to be' in order to tell a decent story without any solid barriers to say who is definitively more powerful than the others... or the margins are deliberately kept so thin it can boil down to who has a bad day or gets in a lucky shot.

[@4thremix]

That dog looks fluffy as hell

[@GamingPhilosophy30]

Angron vs the war shard is a fight i need

[@M4RCi92]

Angron's getting his bitch ass handed to him.

[@withlovefromlightindust591]

Hello Majorkill, Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.

[@tacochaos5127]

I've seen him overwatch one-shot a land raider.. so... yeah he's pretty stronk

[@swordofthedawn6495]

my boy majorkill is looking huge!

[@schafwolleful]

Wich factions would deliver the best showdown if they were the only 2 left in the Galaxy?

[@enoughothis]

GW hates everything that isn't a Space Marine, hence the Space Elves and their coolest toys get no love. In the last Ciaphas Cain book, Cain works with some Eldar to take down his old girlfriend now turned Keeper of Secrets and they orbital drop an Avatar on the Space station where the fight is going down and the Avatar absolutely bodies the KoS despite Jurgen being there.

[@sonofsanguinius176]

Dont think they can one shot dreadnoughts, we always see that Dreads always go toe to toe with avatars but not as strong Its like a level 50 vs a level 70 character, they wont win agaisnt the avatars but they can put up a good fight

[@edim108]

Avatars of Khaine get Worfed a lot. It is supposed to be at or above Primarch level, but bc of that many writers use it to show how strong and scary the bad guy of the week is. The one time an Avatar of Khaine was actually written as powerful as it supposedly is in the lore it dropped from orbit like a meteor and dog walked a greater daemon like it was nothing...

[@hippiecheapskate]

If anyone here wants to read a kickass novel that displays the full crazy awesome power of an Avatar before GW got on the worf bandwagan, read Shadowpoint by gordon REnnie. It's the sequel to Execution Hour and they are both technically Battlefleet Gothic novels and are amazing. The avatar in shadowpoint is awoken by converging probabilities that need to be stopped - it literally awakens itself And then goes off on its own to prevent this terrible event from occurring (the shadowpoint). It wanders through the webway and crosses worlds, annihilating anything it comes across as it walks to the next gate. It's a great depiction of the avatar and eldar in general.

[@RunWithScissors-wr8vc]

“Are you familiar with the Worf Effect?”

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

The Avatar of Khaine is firmly in the "Allegedly" tier of Powerful...as in, he's allegedly powerful

[@UptopVillain-n2w]

Ray j really making a killin off of them headphones lol

[@loganbaxter4685]

I definitely think Khorne is closely associated with Khaine, as his head is very similar to a bloodletter’s.

[@peterthomas187]

Did... did bro just get us to watch his sweet gains for like 10 seconds in an ad??? lol XD

[@stripeybag6977]

Quickly, post below the offensive and crude insults you would use to anger the Avatar into activation! My theory is that the power of a shard is based off the insults used.

[@Elthenar]

Going back to OG second edition before crappy GW writers hit the Avatar with the Worf Effect, it had the highest weapon skill in the game, tied only with a Bloodthirster. It had the highest toughness in the game, tied only with a Great Unclean One. It had an absurd strength, only beaten by a Blood Thirster. It was immune to fire and melta weapons and it was immune to many forms of psychic attack. I played hundreds of games in second edition and the only thing that beat it one on one was a Bloodthirster, that fight came down to whoever had hotter dice. IMO, an Avatar should be roughly equal to an elite greater demon. Avatars and demons are chunks of the deity they serve. Avatars seem like much larger chunks of Khaine than most other demons, so should be relatively powerful. I don't know who wrote the fight between Calgar and an Avatar but I feel like I should punch Matt Ward.

[@arturomartinez9409]

Our boy Malum Caedo could throw hands and win against an Avatar of Khaine

[@brettwood1351]

I'm pretty sure he'd solo anything short of the actual Chaos Gods.