Make your parts bendy with this design hack - 3D design for 3D printing

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@orthotron
@orthotron Жыл бұрын
Great idea! I'll make an OnShape feature script to automate it.
@craigfisher146
@craigfisher146 Жыл бұрын
I literally was thinking the same thing but still pretty new to onshape. Mind tagging or sharing with me when you get it uploaded?
@TeachingTech
@TeachingTech Жыл бұрын
I was thinking feature script was the best solution. I've never made one but I'd like to try one day.
@ItkhanOfficial
@ItkhanOfficial Ай бұрын
updates?
@antunrosovic7284
@antunrosovic7284 Жыл бұрын
You are a great educator: competent, methodical, with useful advices and clear pronunciation!
@eslmatt811
@eslmatt811 Жыл бұрын
The main thing I learned in this video is a good way to center objects, and selecting a sketch for a bunch of holes. Thanks that saved a bunch of time.
@adrianscarlett
@adrianscarlett Жыл бұрын
I find it more configurable in onshape to create a minimal sketch, extrude and remove that sketch, then use the linear pattern tool set to feature. This is especially useful combined with patterning multiple stacked features. I'd also just create two initial slots diagonally constrained, then create a linear pattern for each slot with one of the patterns having one less on the pattern count. This makes everything totally parametric without having to remove anything.
@hamburgerbuns9752
@hamburgerbuns9752 Жыл бұрын
this sounds awesome but i am dumb, you should make a video example
@Initial-B
@Initial-B Жыл бұрын
@@hamburgerbuns9752he means rather than making one sketch with all the slots, you can make a simple sketch with only one or two slots, extrude those one or two shapes, then use feature patterns (patterning the new slot parts, not the sketch) to multiply and position the additional slot parts where you want them before you cut them out. Onshape works better with simple sketches.
@tehhamstah
@tehhamstah Жыл бұрын
This is the preferred approach in Fusion 360 as well
@amicloud_yt
@amicloud_yt 8 ай бұрын
This is definitely the right way to do it. Patterning in a sketch is in my experience sets yourself up for failure
@aracon9721
@aracon9721 Жыл бұрын
probably the coolest thing I've learned in 3D Printing
@matneu27
@matneu27 Жыл бұрын
I think the biggest advantage of this technique is the stability of especially thin walls horizontally, because all is printed on the bed and not in thin layers in the z axis.
@lucasribeiro8475
@lucasribeiro8475 Жыл бұрын
that's a good aplication i dindt think at first
@alanurteaga7413
@alanurteaga7413 Жыл бұрын
This is due to the material behavior and making lots of beams that deflect without yeilding. It is possible to calculate/approximate the spring stiffness and maximum deflection.
@gregorpamula8939
@gregorpamula8939 Жыл бұрын
Another great video. I really like these design instruction. This one was easy to me on technical level, but I wouldn't try it on my own. The "negative version" of the slots to cut-out afterwards would be great to have in OpenSCAD, maybe I'll do something simple later today and put it up on printables. I'm away from my printer and PC, but I can always use the online version of OpenSCAD. Amazing times we're living in 🙂
@leonpijpers7327
@leonpijpers7327 Жыл бұрын
Hi.. great Idea (the video and the OpenSCAD suggestion, try this code: (play with dx, dy, h for your conveniance... :) $fn=10; module cy(x,y,z,h1,r1,r2){translate([x,y,z])cylinder(h1,r1,r2);} module cb(x,y,z,dx,dy,dz){translate([x,y,z])cube([dx,dy,dz]);} module r_vslit(x,y,z,len,w,h) { cb(x-w/2,y,z-0.1,w,len,h); cy(x,y,z-0.1,h,w/2,w/2); cy(x,y+len,z-0.1,h,w/2,w/2);} {dx=2.5;dy=4.5;h=1.5; difference(){ cb(0,0,0,24,28,h); for(i=[0:3]){for(j=[0:3]){ #r_vslit(3+i*2*dx,2+j*2*dy,0,6,1,h+0.2); #r_vslit(3+dx+i*2*dx,2-dy+j*2*dy,0,6,1,h+0.2);}}}}
@gregorpamula8939
@gregorpamula8939 Жыл бұрын
@@leonpijpers7327 Cool looks much nicer, like Ikea Skadis 🙂 but rounded edges are counterproductive in that case. The material is being stretched and compared on that axis and straight edge is much better suited for that action. Rounded edges would be better for a spring of that design. Furthermore, the point was to create a "negative" model which can be easily subtracted from your target model inside slicing software.
@leonpijpers7327
@leonpijpers7327 Жыл бұрын
Hi, Removing the rounded ends is easy.. just remove the cy(..) commands in the r_vslit module and if you only want to subtract a file... you could try it like this.. $fn=10; module cb(x,y,z,dx,dy,dz){translate([x,y,z])cube([dx,dy,dz]);} module r_vslit(x,y,z,len,w,h){cb(x-w/2,y,z-0.1,w,len,h);} {dx=2.5;dy=4.5;h=1.5; for(i=[0:3]){for(j=[0:20]){ r_vslit(3+i*2*dx,2+j*2*dy,0,6,1,h+0.2); r_vslit(3+dx+i*2*dx,2-dy+j*2*dy,0,6,1,h+0.2);}}} makes it simpler.. I just prefer putting everything OpenSCAD in one file but I get your point. (also increase the height "h=1.5" quite a bit to be larger than the subject you want to "kerf"(just learned a new word from the other comments)
@subsyairsoft
@subsyairsoft Жыл бұрын
Great piece of cross thinking and design perseverance Michael! Fab!
@suivzmoi
@suivzmoi Жыл бұрын
the technique is called kerfing in case anyone is wondering. in this case it is kerfed from both sides the of the part to further increase the degree of freedom of the part. 12:19 the tighter curves would be better served by increasing the kerf density at the locations needing more aggressive twists. currently it is 0.5mm kerf at 2mm intervals. could try 1:1. for slicing, specifically for the kerfed area and very high kerf densities, the parameters of the kerf width kerf, interval and extrusion width become important. which can cause print time to increase or make the surface rougher than desired. for example a 0.5mm kerf at 2mm intervals requires 1mm plastic width, which is two passes of 0.5mm extrusion (probably too wide for a 0.4mm nozzle) PLUS an ugly gap fill required because the lines have to overlap a little. if the slicer can modify EW on the fly like with Arachne in PS/SS, EW will go above 0.5mm which is usually not a problem for function but will affect beauty--after all we tune our printers for static EWs.. if you don't have variable EW then it will be two passes with a gap fill--also ugly but now slower print as well.
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Thanks a bunch, Michael!!! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@YeetDaBabies
@YeetDaBabies Жыл бұрын
you can start your sketch in the middle as well and use the "center" option in the pattern tool, this way if you change the amount of repetitions the pattern will still be constrained to the exact middle
@wreckervilla
@wreckervilla Жыл бұрын
It seems like more complex geometries could be made by using the pattern along a curved spline
@SuperDavidEF
@SuperDavidEF Жыл бұрын
Printing an already 3D design with some kerf cut elements for extra bending and flexing would make a lot more complex items possible compared to trying to print everything flat and then fold it into place using only the kerf cuts.
@lam_xyz
@lam_xyz Жыл бұрын
Great idea! I'm rooting for a OpenSCAD solution! Maybe I'm going to experiment with it a little bit on my own. Thanks!
@roysigurdkarlsbakk3842
@roysigurdkarlsbakk3842 Жыл бұрын
Please tell if you find a library for that - otherwise, someone just has to make one ;)
@davydatwood3158
@davydatwood3158 Жыл бұрын
I've ended up as a Fusion user rather than TinkerCAD, so a lot of your CAD videos don't teach me much beyond "here's a cool idea." Which is fine, there are other videos for the specifics of Fusion. But this video not only presented a very cool idea - admittedly, one I don't yet have a use for, but now that I know about it I'm sure I'll think of something - but also a very straightforward technique that I can easily adapt to Fusion: the way you used three construction lines to centre a rectangle on another rectangle. I'm sure that's a basic CAD technique but *i* had never seen it before now, and that will be so, so useful!
@mscir
@mscir Жыл бұрын
As always, well done.
@xraylover
@xraylover Жыл бұрын
Superb concept and design, thank you for sharing this amazing technique. So many applications for my existing designs. 🙂
@batwy901
@batwy901 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@PureRushXevus
@PureRushXevus Жыл бұрын
As Michael Rosen once said, "BENDY BENDY"
@Deathbysnusnu125
@Deathbysnusnu125 Жыл бұрын
I found that in Cura if I did infill only with no walls at all it made a flexible material. I've been meaning to play around with it in bambu lab too. I don't remember what infill i used but im sure it would work with more than one
@datcraylay3235
@datcraylay3235 Жыл бұрын
I might use this to make a cable guard for my bedslinger. Great content as always.
@StormBurnX
@StormBurnX Жыл бұрын
Kerfing is amazing and while I'd normally just put a one-layer-thick 'hinge' instead for 3D printing, these are pretty neat!
@kesterbelgrove818
@kesterbelgrove818 Жыл бұрын
It's videos like this one that remind me why I love KZbin. I love your videos, this concept and tutorial is crazy and I think would change 3D printing for me like print in place hinges did, thanks for the video.
@TeachingTech
@TeachingTech Жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy, that's really kind.
@DEtchells
@DEtchells Жыл бұрын
Very nice! Great tutorial and very useful results, thanks for the prefabbed parts and the clever idea for applying them directly in the slicer!
@frogmandave1
@frogmandave1 Жыл бұрын
Most excellent video Michael. Thank you for this content.
@StuArts-Kustoms
@StuArts-Kustoms Жыл бұрын
I'm liking your latest vids, really good info.
@curiouscatlabincgetsworrie7755
@curiouscatlabincgetsworrie7755 Жыл бұрын
that is actually pretty pretty useful and also looks pretty pretty cool!!!
@jtjames79
@jtjames79 Жыл бұрын
I'm going to make roads for my wargame table with this. Maybe even a Car Wars track.
@808GT
@808GT Жыл бұрын
Oh my treasured posessions :D Love it, keep up the educational, mind opening videos!
@cmawhz
@cmawhz Жыл бұрын
I just made a test piece, a 20 by 100 by 2mm rectangle. The gaps are .4 by 10mm, spaced 2mm apart vertically, and with .8 of material between the gaps horizontally which ends up being 2 lines thick while printing at the standard .4. The radius that it can bend is pretty tight, I'm able to fully wrap it around my finger without it breaking. This technique would be perfect for a wearable like a watch or similar where you have a buckle of some sort on each end. Thanks for the great idea, I instantly had a few ideas on how to implement this technique into a project I am working on to help my dad recover strength in his hand after having a stroke a few weeks ago.
@jonbbidwell
@jonbbidwell Жыл бұрын
Tank tracks if you add raised edges for retention.
@hal_wayland
@hal_wayland Жыл бұрын
I love this technique, the phone stand concept also looked great, shame it didn't work out on the first try but it looks like it should be possible to do it right with more experimentation.
@SuperDavidEF
@SuperDavidEF Жыл бұрын
I think he tried to make it curve way too much with just the slots. He should probably print a slightly curved piece that will finish curving and bending by the slots.
@AlexisMelo
@AlexisMelo Жыл бұрын
Awesome! 😊😊 Thanks again for such great content Michael! 🙏🏻 I am going straight to the printer try it out!
@shawnkiernan
@shawnkiernan Жыл бұрын
Another great video thanks! Really feel the quality of information is getting better and better! Thanks for what you do.
@SingularityAdvent
@SingularityAdvent Жыл бұрын
Nice, simple compliant mechanism.❤
@Unmannedair
@Unmannedair Жыл бұрын
That looks like a pretty good book cover for rebinding
@ericserafim7954
@ericserafim7954 Жыл бұрын
Very cool concept, thanks for sharing
@mbeining11
@mbeining11 Жыл бұрын
Dude this is amazing! Cheers!
@MSWindman
@MSWindman 4 ай бұрын
So very cool!
@victorramamoorhy2010
@victorramamoorhy2010 Жыл бұрын
Great Video! Love it!
@masklessninja
@masklessninja Жыл бұрын
Could make some cool colorful watch bands using the X1 Carbon printer with AMS
@craigfisher146
@craigfisher146 Жыл бұрын
Exactly where my head went when I saw this!
@YourBuddyDinec
@YourBuddyDinec Жыл бұрын
This is a really cool design idea!
@qwertyzxaszc6323
@qwertyzxaszc6323 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Love your content!
@changer6
@changer6 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic work.
@andreojuegosyestrategia1266
@andreojuegosyestrategia1266 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this!
@conorstewart2214
@conorstewart2214 Жыл бұрын
You should have a look at bending acrylic. In school we cut and then bent acrylic to make phone holders. To bend it you can either heat up lines and then bend on the line or heat the whole piece and then bend it. I wonder if a similar thing would work on other thermoplastics like PLA, PETG, etc, then you could bend it without needing to use that pattern, you may even be able to bend it with the heat of the bed.
@aL3891_
@aL3891_ Жыл бұрын
really cool, i wonder if they should be used for belts in belt drive mechanism, or maybe as threads for a tank or excavator
@whatif8741
@whatif8741 Жыл бұрын
I could totally see this being used as catepillar treads. It'd be easy to incorporate a hole on the treads for the 2 wheels that'll drive each side to move.
@steveh8724
@steveh8724 Жыл бұрын
Interesting idea, maybe useful for small models or RC vehicles. But at scale, I think these would be very impractical. They stretch far too much and under extreme tension, like a full-size bulldozer or a tank, the ability stretch (without any limit) would lead to coming off the guides and/or self-destruction.
@SuperDavidEF
@SuperDavidEF Жыл бұрын
@@steveh8724 I'm sure there are ways to mitigate that. Making this simple kerf cut design into something like a tank tread would necessitate adding some engineering complexity anyway.
@IanBradbury
@IanBradbury Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Awesome video.
@LikeAboss168
@LikeAboss168 5 ай бұрын
4:58 I believe you would need to go 70 mm because technically we are duplicating two slots (60mm) plus 5 mm gap plus a 5mm gap inbetween the patterns again I was having trouble constraining following this video then I blew the spacing apart and found more rectangles perfectly overlapping.
@iTeerRex
@iTeerRex Жыл бұрын
In manufacturing these are called flexture’s. It’s a very cool and useful tool. There are hundreds if not thousands of designs, for all manner of uses.
@Abyssaal1
@Abyssaal1 Жыл бұрын
Very cool idea! Thanks!
@donrozwick7367
@donrozwick7367 Жыл бұрын
great idea and great tutorial😃
@JottyOL
@JottyOL Жыл бұрын
Very nice idea! Thank you!
@phizc
@phizc Жыл бұрын
7:29 I think the horizontal offset is incorrect. It should be 2 * (B + D) since the sketch includes 2 rectangles, so 50mm in that example, or (2 * (30+5)) = 70 in the demonstration earlier. If I'm right, you've got duplicate rectangles that perfectly overlap a previous one. It makes no difference in the result since the cut extrusion would remove already removed material, but it'll definitely make the software run more sluggish since there's twice as many rectangles as you need. Alternatively, instead of drawing 4 rectangles in the sketch, you can just draw 2, in the demo that was nr 1 and nr 3, in the guideline, leave off the two to the left. I may be wrong. Please check.
@nathanking2484
@nathanking2484 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing
@crawkn
@crawkn Жыл бұрын
An omnidirectional version would be useful for more fabric-like behavior, perhaps using plus sign perforations or something in that vein.
@OlaviMurto
@OlaviMurto Ай бұрын
Wow this is awesome! And exactly what I was looking for. I needed a 500g load bearing part to swivel only in one direction, so I thought of a hinge, but then realized that wouldn't bring it back to it's neutral position, and through the rabbit hole I landed here, and this is exactly what I needed! I printed out a test with PETG: 2mm x 70mm x 30mm, with a 20mm long area of those holes in the middle. I literally cannot pull them apart with my hands by just pulling them in opposing directions. I can swivel one side back and forth the whole 360° dozens of times without cracks, but I can imagine over hundreds of bends it will eventually start to tear. But I bet this could be used as a hinge as well for, say, a lid of a box or something. I'm likely going to use this in a part that will allow me to put a filming slate/clapperboard on to a printed quick release clip that will attach to another clip on my belt.
@torquebiker9959
@torquebiker9959 8 ай бұрын
great idea! thx for sharing
@PowerChaos
@PowerChaos Жыл бұрын
Great video, it brings flexibility to a new level and it seems it can be easy applied :D
@JakeMcIvor
@JakeMcIvor Жыл бұрын
I would try to optimize the geometry for 3D printing here - i.e., use rounded paths and optimize the gap between slots to be integer multiples of extrusion width.
@sedetweiler
@sedetweiler Жыл бұрын
I would love to know where you got the models for the laser boxes you showed at the start of the video. They are beautiful!
@HesDeadJim
@HesDeadJim 3 ай бұрын
Great jersey!
@FranklyPeetoons
@FranklyPeetoons Жыл бұрын
Brilliant demo. Although I kept waiting for the printed Möbius strip that seemed inevitable...
@solarbirdyz
@solarbirdyz Жыл бұрын
This is really interesting and I'm definitely going to try this in PHA. It's got just that little bit of bendiness - a little more than PLA - and might be a good material for this technique.
@whatif8741
@whatif8741 Жыл бұрын
couldn't you use this for catepillar tread?
@sitedel
@sitedel Жыл бұрын
Instead of super glue, you could add some extra thickness to the begin dans end of the flat strip to help it stick in place. You could also replace the holes for the strips with some T shaped rail to allow the strip to slide in like in an apple watch strap attachment. Don't forget to close at least the outer rail end to prevent the strap to slide out too easily!
@5ravee5
@5ravee5 10 ай бұрын
bro this is so great!! i'll try it
@kennethbeal
@kennethbeal Жыл бұрын
Nice, thank you!
@bermchasin
@bermchasin Жыл бұрын
i used a similar concept for magazine springs
@thomaswiley666
@thomaswiley666 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I used kerfs to allow plywood to curl but this is new idea. I wonder if I could make the holes very tiny and use this instead of bead lines for bending parts used on my printer. The bead lines work very well but they will eventually fail.
@Initial-B
@Initial-B Жыл бұрын
Think there would be any strength / durability advantage to using actual slots (with semi circular ends) rather than rectangles with 90° corners?
@SuperDavidEF
@SuperDavidEF Жыл бұрын
It probably would help quite a bit. Sharp 90° corners always tend to be a break point when stressed, no matter the material or the production process.
@PhilEhI
@PhilEhI Жыл бұрын
excellent!
@collie147
@collie147 Жыл бұрын
Thinking this could be really good for headbands (for stuff like VR headsets or heavier headphones) but it might catch hair in the little gaps. TPU tends to be too rigid (depending on the shore hardness) for the thickness I require and too difficult to print with curved or organic shapes (it tends to not be as comfortable printed flat and bent around a head). Elastic/fabric straps are comfortable but they tend to be too loose and really bad at supporting heavy objects in key areas so I'm thinking a combination of elastic/fabric and this technique with PETG might be spot on - rigid where it should be (side of the head), flexible where I need it to be (round the back/top of the head) and comfortable with fabric layer in between the head and the plastic strap! Thanks Michael for the inspiration.
@ocAToccd
@ocAToccd Жыл бұрын
Nice experiments! You should check "Le Labo d'Heliox" (not sure of the spelling). Some time ago, she made a book-like box with a bendable back (I don't remember if she designed it, though...) As for your phone stand, the blue part should not be straight: even if the bendy design allows for any deformation, it would not like it and try to have only "off the plane" bending => you should try to design a radial bending thingy... (pick another name if you like 😉) measure both sides of your bend and flatten it like a cone (I would need to check the math 🤔)
@Pugwash.
@Pugwash. Жыл бұрын
Nicely done. I use 3ds max and creating 2-dimensional arrays of objects is quite easy too.
@enitalp
@enitalp Жыл бұрын
Tank tracks in one object ❤
@monkeydance8057
@monkeydance8057 Жыл бұрын
hi i learned designing from your videos . can you please make separate video for " EXTRUDE " options . that will help us .. thanks
@Harvid.
@Harvid. Жыл бұрын
it cute be very interesting to try to iron some lose textile on top of the print
@zerog2000
@zerog2000 Жыл бұрын
Michael, take my thumbs!
@swisshoumi
@swisshoumi Жыл бұрын
Does onshape include the sheet metal library in the free version? Because that would be perfect for all thos bending parts. It can calculate the flat lengths and geometry, create cutouts to avoid collision after bending etc.
@VorpalGun
@VorpalGun Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't PP be the best plastic for this to prevent wearing out the bendy bits?
@stanleyhoptroff
@stanleyhoptroff Жыл бұрын
can you print polypropelene i didnt know that
@VorpalGun
@VorpalGun Жыл бұрын
@@stanleyhoptroff You can, it is not a very common material though (for filament), and as such the colour selection is usually limited. Additionally it (according to Prusa knowledge base, haven't tried it myself) it tends to warp, doesn't stick well to the bed and is expensive.
@nauseouscustody1440
@nauseouscustody1440 Жыл бұрын
Wow🤯awesome
@billleddy602
@billleddy602 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting take on a 3D printable hinge. Seems like it would be extremely long wearing.
@reprinted3D
@reprinted3D Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to try printing this in TPU.
@Sekir80
@Sekir80 Жыл бұрын
No point, really.
@newburypi
@newburypi Жыл бұрын
Nice. Very nice.
@DavZell
@DavZell 9 ай бұрын
Great video. I've been looking at this for my laser, too. Did you ever model the treasure box you showed, with the two doors and magnetic catch?
@thecrapadventuresofchesimo420
@thecrapadventuresofchesimo420 Жыл бұрын
Did you consider patterning the cut (feature) instead of the sketch to save a bit of work/ processing power?
@GigglingGobby
@GigglingGobby Жыл бұрын
I tried this technique in Fusion360 and patterning the cut (feature) is the only way it can be done in Fusion360 because it can't pattern the sketch! Took me days to figure this out! My test print of 8cm x 4.5cm with 20mm slots and everything else as per the video came out nicely in PLA with a reasonable amount of flex so it was a fun first attempt. What I wasn't prepared for was the bizarre printing sequence that Cura came up with on the slices for my Elegoo Neptune3 Pro, and the tiny bits it has to lay down on the first layer were prone to being knocked around by the extruder, so I ended up printing at just 20mm/s with a cooler bed and that worked but the print took 3.5 hours, hahahahaha!
@haydenap
@haydenap Жыл бұрын
The fancy case full of little rubber ducks was a great surprise :P 🦆
@dangling128
@dangling128 Жыл бұрын
I'm seeing a Sail Boat! My favorite teacher.
@chipcode5538
@chipcode5538 Жыл бұрын
Great ❤
@Anupkulkarni23
@Anupkulkarni23 Жыл бұрын
can you make something related to the sport of cricket with 3 d printing.
@TS_Mind_Swept
@TS_Mind_Swept Жыл бұрын
4:48 ..butt wait, wasn't it manually duplicated twice vertically, making the actual offset needed 70 instead of 35? 🤔 I believe all of your center rectangles are doubled..
@martin_minds
@martin_minds Жыл бұрын
hi! great video. i am wondering how longlasting this printed part is. all the best.
@Roobotics
@Roobotics Жыл бұрын
In your phone stand design mock-up, you have clear ~90 degree bends at each side, your slot pattern alone just isn't going to allow for that, your printed band needs to have those curves baked in, likely with a radially patterened array of slots, the elastic deformation throughout needs to be at about the same level throughout, those bends are a massive stress discontinuity between desired end-shape and the presented/printed form. It can still be flat, it just needs bends to assist.
@fredkaz245
@fredkaz245 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I have clicked on the OnShape link, but it keeps taking me to one of your OnShape tutorials. Am I doing something wrong, or is it just me having a senior moment, Can you help please
@miserablepile
@miserablepile 6 ай бұрын
1:27 the BTT ducks 🦆
@brettcnc
@brettcnc Жыл бұрын
Clever
@samchill3707
@samchill3707 Жыл бұрын
Super cool idea! Well done! Do you think its possible to make use of the sheet metal mode in Fusion (or other CAD packages) with this approach? Having to model the 3d and flat patterns separately sounds like a pain.
@adolfrobespierre4778
@adolfrobespierre4778 Жыл бұрын
does this technique have a name?
@dmddmd2904
@dmddmd2904 Жыл бұрын
Спасибо.
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