Make your Vertical Punch work | ft. Icy Mike from

The Chung Choi and Jik Chung Choi are often either spammed incorrectly or never land in JKD - so let's figure out how to apply it.
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[@GrizzlyHansen]

My only problem is that this is actually boxing and the vertical punch was rather popular in boxing before the widespread use of heavy gloves, people just forget that boxing existed before 1950. Plenty of manuals touches on the use of the vertical punch to protect oneself from breaking your hands. One such text is "Self Defense for Gentlemen and Ladies" by Colonel Thomas Hoyer Monstery.

[@alexandrenedellec7116]

And wing chun (the vertical punch Comes from it) IS around for longer so maybe it IS simply that principle that work are used and even rediscovered later. Btw wing chun was an answer to pak mei (a style looking like wing chun but different) because traditionnal kun fu Monk have been wiped out by thé former practitionner. Anyway it IS like the use of elbow, it IS efficient so lot of MA use it :) Btw thanks for the piece info !

[@genebrohan2401]

There is a book titled the straight blast in it the author describes the mechanics of the jkd punch she says that Bruce took the punch directly from those texts from John l Sullivan

[@bygrace1931]

Dempsey advocated and wrote about the use of the vertical fist.

[@bygrace1931]

@@genebrohan2401 vertical punch is the bread and butter of Wing Chun. However the body mechanics of Bruce's one inch demonstration punch, can be found in Dempsey's book.

[@andrewskidmore9955]

Jack Dempsey has a book on it also.

[@ives3572]

"Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is uniquely your own.” - Bruce Lee

[@willowelizabethryder4141]

I do jkd and Muay Thai so this video (and Mike's previous video about lubing up the jab) are totally my type of content. Love seeing y'all analyze jkd stuff in other contexts especially kickboxing. Great vid, thanks Ed and Mike!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Good combo of Arts to be practicing!!

[@idleeidolon]

@@metrolinamartialarts checkout analysis of Pacquiao's set-up jab. it's vertical most of the time. the elbow is flared for defense. and the other half of the time its used to pull down the opponents guard.

[@dpad2480]

Bruce Lee’s inspiration for this was Jack Dempsey, jacks Championship fighting book covers the “vertical fist” punch which is a straight jolt or blast, not a jab. It does require the whole body to generate enough power and Jack uses the drop step concept to make it work, almost like a small fall forward exploding like a battering ram. The vertical angle creates a better power transfer “pure” punch according to Dempsey, and in the bare knuckle days this would better protect the knuckles from damage. As a former wing Chun practitioner of many years the chain punch I see as a technique to practice to learn mechanics, speed l, centreline control etc not as particularly effective as a “move”. Not enough power realistically because you can’t get the body “falling” fast enough with each strike, only the good first strike can do enough damage especially if your in a grappling mma self defence context not just hitting fast for points etc. Some WC schools train people to fight and finish with chain punches unfortunately which I believe is not the point of them originally, and the JKD idea of it was to take the first punch the straight jolt be able to throw something powerful and stunning enough to damage from the lead hand without telegraphing, followed by whatever else you have your tool box, not walking people down with chain punches.

[@justindantonio1579]

Bare knuckle Boxers used vertical style punching Dempsey was born in that era but grew up in the early gloved era, so anything he has to say is worth taking into account if you want to improve your punching ability.

[@kermit1211]

I think Bruce Lee's vertical fist was mainly inspired from his wing chun training

[@anthonyforster529]

Love this content. My wing chin school used the chain punch to bring the guard up for a kick just like this video demonstrated. We were also taught to get to the outside and then press the 45 degree angle in with the chain punch. Contextual, not just blasting out chain punches straight in and asking for a pivot/hook punch counter.

[@TheKamiBunny]

Its so unfortunate that JKD is incomplete as a martial art. Bruce Lee was trying to incorporate the strengths of many martial arts into it but he passed too early. 😢

[@aquaticlibrary]

He actually fully understood where he wanted to go with it if you’ve studied his writings. He ended up making it a concept for personal liberation in martial arts towards the end. He closed his schools before he passed away. His surviving students all took a different approach of teaching what they were taught though.

[@donel7315]

It was always meant to be formless

[@MaxAbramson3]

IMHO, the many practitioners of JKD must--and I say must--study the grappling arts, Muay Thai, etc, and bring in those things to their sparring sessions. Eventually, we should be able to complete this otherwise near-perfect street fighting self-defense style, as Bruce Lee was doing before he tragically passed away.

[@nickfry7839]

jeet kun do was bruce lee's personal style. everyone else was supposed to make their own style based on his philosphy, with movements that synergized with the individual.

[@willms7173]

Although jkd will likely never be complete, since it allows room for improvement.

[@FutureShock713]

I've actually used the Jik Chung Choi in Muay Thai sparring to wipe away my opponent's guard and follow up with 1 or 2 shots. Its a really underrated technique. People think its supposed to be like in the Ip Man movies where it's a thousand punches a second where the guy doesnt defend himself but the rapid fire bicycle pedal mechanics have their place and use. Loved the video!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Exactly!!

[@thomasmuntzer1004]

what do you mean "wipe away". Because i do not see it being effective the way i imagine it.

[@FutureShock713]

@@thomasmuntzer1004 instead of using the mechanics with punches start with a slapping down of your opponents hands and come over the top with follow up punches

[@longboardreynosa]

I have 4 years practicing JKD in the only JKD school in México aprooved by Jerry Poteet and im loving these videos. The way you're analizing everything is just awesome. Im also loving how @hard2hurt is accepting and liking JKD stuff.

[@longboardreynosa]

Jkd as It is is awesome, but to mix it with other martial arts, like I do (tradicional kung fu and sanda/sanshou/wushu) its just beautiful the infinite options of technics.

[@mr.e8226]

You have to talk to Light Burley and his 52 blocks to talk about defense to the center line punches. cross guards and his skull and bones and even the simple closed door elbow block is fun to do. I think wing chung and JKD are most fun in the context of working with the simple system of blocks that you play with with chi sao.

[@stevenoconnor3256]

Vertical Punches work better for bare-knuckle boxing as it's harder to fuck your hands up on someone's face, what you can do with boxing gloves isn't necessarily realistic. It has a greater reach than all other straight punches. Think of it more as a setup punch, think more fencing than boxing. lunge forward at speed and likely it will hit. Boxing gloves make it easier to block strikes due to them making the mass of your hands bigger. The vertical Punch would be easier to slip through a block than a horizontal punch.

[@medkemia]

WC guy here.... i really love this topic, really glad that you guys talked about this.... one of the biggest misconception about the WC straight punch is that it is thought (or taught) that the chain punch should be done like making a thousand hits in 2 seconds, that's not how the WC speed is applied....The speed that is derived from chain punching helps you to transition into other moves..... I love the point where you guys mentioned that throwing regular jabs to set up a vertical one, to mess up with the boxing guard, that's a good tactic. i sometimes spar with my student that way really love your work, keep it up guys!

[@levimaynard2237]

Like everything, there are layers to the forms. The chain punch "can be" used as a rapid fire punching method, for sure. But, other uses are also there that people seem to forget about. The chain is an example of the principal of pushing AND pulling. The form is teaching you to push and pull simultaneously, it's teaching you to use your triangle, it's teaching you to punch fast, etc. Look at the siu nim tao, it repeats everything on both sides to save time in training. One could argue that the chain blast is not even real, and that it's just one punch practiced on both sides. Do a chain punch with 1 hand only you'll see the mechanic of punching and retracting are still there. Also, in the form, every movement can be interpreted as an attack, as you could use this same energy with fingerjabs, palm strikes, etc. On the issue of vertical fist, just look at Jack Dempsey, read his book. For more examples, take a bong sau, hugely misunderstood, just take a bong sau and turn your hand into a fist instead. There you have a spiral energy that ends in a horizontal fist. The form puts you into every direction and angle possible.

[@TheVampireAzriel]

For the record, Google pronounces JKD as "Jeet Koon Doo" so... closer at least. (they spell it correctly) Good video!

[@alan-zc9ff]

"Don't pull it out when they let you put it in."

[@canphan1375]

I used the repeated wing chun punches as a small blitze to close distance and force their guard up. Then mix it with dirty boxing guard pulls to land hard hooks. Works pretty well in a small blitze before they can figure out how to react for me

[@SodaPopin5ki]

My chain punch story. Sparring with a TKD friend, he was completely unprepared for it, letting me get in so many hits. Unfortunately, on the next round I was completely unprepared for his spinning leg sweep, which floored me! Good times.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Sounds like good times!

[@MrCarloArellano]

Benny the jet has a carving punch which starts off as a vertical but then rotates on contact, strengthening the structure on impact.

[@MarcosAG90]

I feel like you have just discovered the wheel 🤠

[@oddmanout7755]

"Don't pull it out once they let you put it in."

[@aquiredskill]

He is beginning to believe 😌

[@blackenskatography9928]

original JKD call it straight lead, usually with strong side forward, i didn't know JKD concept do it as well, that's interesting

[@enby_kensei]

Dude, your content is a fucking godsend. I'm a wing chun guy, and I see this MASSIVE rift between my community and JKD guys. But seeing you preach and apply the exact same principles that my sifu and sihings have been teaching me for half a decade, but applied differently, is really cool and refreshing. I've been told that JKD done right is "wing chun applied in a modern fight," and I got to experience that when I finally started sparring against kickboxers, and it's really dope to see your content demonstrate the same thing. PS: Also I have used the chain punch in a live sparring environment! My buddy is an Irish boxer and we both have very fast hands. In our bout we were constantly trading blows to the nose, trying to outsmart each other's timing. He would always get me with a rapid-fire cross after a jab, and I would always get him with a flurry of wing chun chain punches. We had to end the fight early because our noses started bleeding 😂

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤜💥🤛

[@moz5831]

Vertical jab used to be in boxing, especially before Queensberry rules and gloves. Hand break was a real thing back then (well, still is) and it wasn’t smart to hit hard and go for KO, but hit vertical to the soft parts of the face and try to break the skin, nose, eyes, make them bleed etc. Jack Dempsey talks about it in his book (which I think Bruce Lee must have read). Also maybe it’s easier to teach than a correct jab, which is a hardest thing in the world (like boxers spent their whole career perfecting the jab) and if you start to flair your elbows against any boxer you’re basically just a punching bag at that point. Beside that, I’d would imagine Bruce using hands mainly to set up kicks anyway.

[@codforlife]

Yep i'm onboard, good energy and information here!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Welcome aboard!

[@KennethDuff-hj8ig]

I activly box and i utilize vertical punches often. When i do im not going for the K.O , so it dont need to be very powerful. I like to use it as you shown in the video , to split the guard. I land it often in sparring and there is kind of a sweet spot with it , the trick is to aim for the wrist. Even when the opponent is not sweaty at all it still gets through. Also i like to slip with it to give me another layer of defense for whatever counter that could be coming simataniously. Also i will throw slipped right hands with glove mostly vertical but with the thumb downward. That punch slides in nice too and my head is well off the center line , but what i really like about that one is i get to really turn over my fist as it slides in .(like corkscrews inbetween there guard. Then ...lol this is what i love about the "sweet science" if and when opponent puts there gloves/forearms together to get a solid block up the middle thats when i feint and turn into a hook. The thing i learned after boximg for all these years and i would think the same gos for other martial arts too: there is no 1 all be all answer to anything. I like most of these topics lcy mike gos over in these videos. Very intereating stuff

[@kevinomahoney]

Old-timey bare knuckle fighters used a vertical fist. Isshinryu still uses it. The neat thing with Bruce Lee’s fighting system is that he held his strong side forward and used the jab like a rapier.

[@apuzyr]

Great video!!!! The vertical fist is biomechanically superior due to proper bone alight.

[@stevenrichardson4928]

A different perspective on the WC chain punch is not to bicycle. Instead the hitting hand hits in a straight line and then drops to retreat, which opens a path for the next straight punch from the other hand. This method requires less space to land punches and allows the body alignment the straight punch offers.

[@jorel80]

Yeah, i like how they adapted it for boxinf gloves, but it definetly has more damage potential in MMA gloves or bare hands where it can be tighter and more of a straight blast

[@brucele2776]

Jkd is not about punching with vertical fist. It is about body mechanics. Observe the fist when trowing while slipping. It san be in horizontal or diagonal position.

[@cosmicstrings4986]

Another option if they catch and trap your vertical punch between their forearms and elbows is to use the trapped hand to hook their arm while pulling it to turn them; then shooting a cross or hook to the exposed side.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

For sure! Lon Sao or Cup Sao are big there

[@RumplestillSkin99]

If you're careful this is definitely effective

[@setremnevets]

Immediately had to test the Alexa thing... hilarious!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Awesome!!!

[@ilustradorel-javi5566]

Great aplications hommie!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Appreciate it!!

[@jordanrock3494]

You wipe left and right to block the chain punches. It's a silat technique.

[@aquaticlibrary]

Alex Periera throws vertical punches in the way of Jack Dempsey. It masks hooks pretty well because they look so similar. I don’t see the WC straight blast working with boxing gloves at all though.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It could - but not as well as with mma or bare knuckles

[@rcc8347]

People forget to mention that strength training is essential for any martial art. JKD worked for Bruce Lee because he was strong and so’s wing chun, boxing etc. any martial art works if you’re really strong

[@PerunaMuayThai]

When I trained in Jun Fan I was told parts of it were from Savate as well. I think it was some of the kicking technique in Jun Fan class which were different than the kicks in the Muay Thai class. This was like 2010 since I trained it last so it's been a minute

[@metrolinamartialarts]

There is Savate in it!

[@MiamiJeetKuneDo]

Very good video, Ed (nothing to complain about but I bet you someone finds something) ... I will say though that while "all boxing is punching, in JKD not all punching is boxing"! The JKD Straight Lead can be considered a finishing-type punch (aka Power Jab) vs. the normal jab as an entry-type punch (aka Speed Jab)

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you Sifu! I'm worried my generalization will stir people up - but it makes good YT! lol

[@geoffreynelson6413]

Check out Bartitsu Lab's video Slavic style knuckle orientation for more on this kind of jab.

[@malkomalkavian]

Good times :) thank you

[@jollyknuckles2138]

My most memorable use of Jik Chung Choi was when I sparred an MMA friend. He got the best of me 8 out of 10 times, so I was super proud it worked! He out weighed me by 80 or so pounds but I was able to catch his chin enough to make his head turn and get a solid hook. I set it up with some jabs and a Muay Thai roundhouse to the thigh. It really is about timing. It's also effective against slower fighters, especially adding in some elbow flows to keep the opponents flurries from landing. Mind you, these were mainly fellow martial arts friends and not professionals. Still, feels good when the traditional techniques work against modern practitioners.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That's awesome!!

[@kroogle2294]

Jack Dempsey was also a big proponent of the vertical fist alignment.

[@thorthethunderdawg5289]

Fun video, Enjoy this collab of youtubers, and love how comfortable y'all are with each other.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@YoyoJajun]

Bruce s'est entrener comme champion du monde,son préparation physique était de haut niveau , et la puissance de ses frappes vient de là, blast sert à déséquilibrer l'adversaire et après le terminer

[@timgoble7928]

Ive always found the hardest I land a chung choy/ power jab is the 3rd strike of a jab/ cross / jab combo. people get way to accustomed to seeing the j/c/h it throws them off

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That's always solid

[@claud1961]

A couple of thoughts here. Firstly, as for the use of the vertical punch, Lee put a lot of emphasis on the set-up- we call it entering. It was a study all its own as far as I can see. Unless you were just assured of landing it, there was a lot of stuff to get it positioned to deliver what somebody called a 'scientific sucker punch'. So just throwing it without the proper set-up, including angles and footwork, not to mention the low kicks to get the guard down, etc., is iffy. And the centerline is useful if you follow Dempsey's powerline theory and keep your elbows in and not flared. I am sure Lee read that book, he read all he could find about boxing. Some of us aren't Lee or JKD groupies but use a vertical fist for other reasons. Mine is plain old overworked hands, having used vibrating hand tools, along with other injuries. It hurts to throw horizontal anything with my right hand and having had a rotator cuff injury in my left shoulder I am like that little dude in 300 that can't raise his shield. So I go dominant hand forward, leaving the left to guard. Not optimal, but not all of us are looking to get into an MA ring or whatnot. I suspect most viewers are people that just love combative arts and use it for a primary exercise with some application. Thanks for this one, it fires us up to train and that's something good all by itself!

[@tvoyelitsoglupoye2326]

I had to stop watching after 3 seconds. I just saw the new Jackass and laughed so hard in dizzy. You said Jeet Kune Do and I knew Mike was gonna be well, a jackass, and sure enough... ...i started laughing again and like seriously needed to bring my CO2 down and my O2 up. I'm gonna try this again.

[@jamesthorne6304]

We call this an up jab at my school

[@wallybarry4511]

Wing Chun is my go to MA. I have used it in the real world, and just like y’all said, everything is contextual. Nothing is going to work 100% of the time.

[@AN71H3RO]

I've learned exactly not to do the chain punch like peddaling a bycicle. :-D I see why you do it how you do it though. We do it as a straight punch, dropping the front fist a split second before the other one arrives. Ideally shoving our forarms over the crook of our opponents arm to gain some control while moving forward. Comming from an angle makes it a lot easier and safer to pull it of.

[@MartialartsfitnessUSA]

I've actually found I'm more likely to land with the correct knuckles and less likely to injure myself with a vertical punch. Though I was trained to do horizontal punches

[@integratedfightingarts]

The chain punch is a shoulder loosening and two hand coordination warm up drill that got out of hand. I'm not saying it doesn't work, just passing on the story I got😊

[@jonmerritt2702]

Depends on where you want your head to be, I suggest mixing up Vertical and Upsidedown. (upside down being a horizontal punch turned over even more) Vertical punch is great for leaning towards the same side as punching arm; an 'upside down punch (thumb pointed down) is great for leaning the other way. Either way your going off the center line. -how to know which to do? It depends on which opponents counter you are trying to avoid. also, like you guys touched on, Vertical is a bit more protected against shorter fighters and body blows, but the Upside down is more protected against taller fighters and head shots. (TLDR.... left jab: Vertical = lean left, Upside = lean right and away.)

[@mikelundun]

Tyson Fury was using it a bit against Wilder, but with a bit of a backwards angle on the wrist to better split the guard and pop up Wilders head for his right hand. Not a powerful jab but just enough to open things up.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

The split entry! That's a great tool with the vertical jab!

[@Larsbor]

Like to see more Fook Da against the roundpunch

[@nekogammi2943]

The only thing I'm going say is dude in post earlier I trained with bouncer .he hit a guy with a vertical punch a cut his hand open on his teeth and got bad infection. His head was going back so split on his upper teeth right between his middle knuckles

[@DarkfoolDave]

Awesome video! It's really cool to take a look at something like Jeet Kune Do and unpack it the way you're doing, to really challenge any of the myths and misconceptions about the art. I don't know if you were ever interested in pursuing Fencing for a video on martial application, but there's a Classical Fencing school in NY called the Martinez Academy of Arms, and they approach fencing as a martial art (rather than the Olympic Sport), with considerations of blade control and power of penetration that apply very well to unarmed combat. The Maestros of the Academy on the East Coast are Ramon Martinez, Jeanette Acosta-Martinez, and Jared Kirby if you were interested in something like that. Keep up the awesome content!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That sounds awesome! I'll have to check then out if I'm ever up there

[@MJRLHobbyStuff]

1 or 2 innuendos in this video lol

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Lol a few

[@twistedtrailerparktales2126]

I like the straight thumbs up punch. As Bas Rutten says a thumb up means elbow down. The elbow down means less telegraph. Also rotation is over rated. Do sprinters, wrestlers, or linemen keep their rear foot sideways to twist off the ground or drive straight forward off the back foot for power? Twisting is inferior for power and more telegraphed.

[@stephanwatson7902]

Watch Israel Adesanya jab in the UFC, he does the perfect vertical fist punch....also powerside forward. Mike Tyson uses vertical punches, Jon Jones does, Anderson Silva does, Conor McGregor does

[@2er0696]

With JKD aren't you supposed to have your right foot forward? (or opposite stance) Which allows you to parry and step right into an unexpected delivery of a vertical punch?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I'm left handed and stand orthodox so I cheat. But yes, Bruce advocated southpaw for right-handers.

[@2er0696]

@@metrolinamartialarts Right, that makes sense. My biggest successes with straight punches have always been with a parry and stepping in to land the straight punch on the inside. I'm liking the videos though, it reminds me of when I used to train. 👍

[@stephena1196]

I read that bare knuckle boxers of a couple of centuries ago tended to punch with the vertical fist because is was less likely to break their hands. Do you or any bare knuckle boxers in the comments have na opinion on this?

[@bloodsports94]

They do this in wing chun and isshin ryu karate as well. It's stronger the closer you are, the twist punch loses power the closer you are but is stronger the further away you are.

[@Lyrisius]

Love that you're showing Mike some JKD-stuff. And the thing with the chain punch is that you don't just start off with it. Like most techniques you have to set it up. Startle him, open him and then chain punch. ...and really hard to do with boxing gloves.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah it is! But if you can get gud in boxing gloves, then bag, mma, or empty hand has that room to be cleaner!

[@Lyrisius]

@@metrolinamartialarts I box and kickbox but not really mixed in the wing chun elements. Mostly used the JKD footwork and kicks. You and I have a similar heritage I think. My instructor in Sweden trained under Dan Inosanto and one of Dans students Rick Tucci that I also train/trained under. I'm really glad I found your channel with the help of Mike. You have great content and I really enjoy your FMA or Kali that is my main art. Keep it coming.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@Lyrisius thanks for the kind words!!!

[@makaiev]

Maybe not the best for UFC, but worked wonders against bullies back in my day 😅 Including the chain punching, because it freaks people out to see a ton of punches thrown non-stop (of course this was kids fighting bigger kids).

[@dirtpoorchris]

Supposedly Andre The Giant crapped all over another wrestler in Mexico (literally) but footage has never made it to the light of day. Surprised it hasnt turned into a Southpark Episode.

[@happymonster9098]

I use the vertical punch sometimes and tried to use the chain punch, also train with other people who used both, the vertical punch I could make it work in certain situations like what was explained here but I almost removed the chain punch from my set of moves, both when I tried it and when others tried it on me, it's really easy to counter it with a hook and the punches delivered are weaker so in the end the exchange didn't worth for me. However, maybe I am just bad at chain punching.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I'm not great at it either 😅🤣😂

[@mokyan7]

I think also savate is a 4th ingredient of JKD

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I agree to a point!

[@salve8496]

as a fencer i think you have to apply the fencing side of JKD here, and use that straight punch for a cross counter, in the same way a fencer would "take the blade" of the opponent, you should use straight punch to "take" the cross or hook of theirs and direct away from you, using the body to punch.

[@salve8496]

anyway can we see that tape?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That is one way! The Slant Left against the cross counter.

[@SaftonYT]

Great video! Any collab with you guys is gold. Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on Panantukan?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I love Panantukan. I think it's super cool - some of the moves are meh but that's in every art

[@SaftonYT]

@@metrolinamartialarts Much appreciated!

[@JKDVIPER]

1:56 stop by for some vertical fist 🤛 I’m in KZbin doing JKD too. 🤛💯💥

[@ANTONtheANTON]

Yo! I compete MMA and only use a vertical for my lead straights but for my rear hand it’s different. If your ever in the LA I got a fun structural facts about it. Or i guess I can also guide it through a FaceTime too lol. Side note: I’ve also trained some JKD and with Sigung Bustillo

[@FroFencer]

Hey I just found your channel and love what I have seen so far! If you ever want to talk about fencing hit me up! :)

[@someirishkid9241]

Great video! Do you know of anyone who does this sort of content for xingyiquan? Your stuff has been invaluable for me, and this has been especially interesting because xingyi also has a vertical punch as a fundament, but I'd love to find some stuff that's particularly tailored to my art.

[@mulli032]

If you do Hebei style xingyi, this strategy seems like you could plug in beng quan fairly easily. Similar direction of force, similar driving footwork, it’s even got the kick at the end of the line when you turn and do the long xing, or leopard hops up a branch, whatever your school calls it, the big drill with a heel kick and step into a big pi quan, just apply it straight forward? The good thing about vids like this that show strategies and tricks is that you plug in your style’s movements as they fit. Play with it, see if you get some different details because of xingyi’s particular body method or combos or stepping or whatever.

[@someirishkid9241]

@@mulli032 That's a really good point, thank you! I've got a kickboxing class in a few hours, let's see if I can mess with anyone :)

[@mulli032]

These guys might be a place to start kzbin.info

[@someirishkid9241]

@@mulli032 thank you mate!! new binging material right there

[@mulli032]

@@someirishkid9241 Good luck, happy training. There are some really good CMA channels, I'd also recommend kzbin.info/door/nWbYukwGkgW3W1PBVfWEMA Of course I feel like @hard2hurt et al. show more actual good kung fu than vast maj of CMA youtube.😅

[@shawnjordan4616]

This kinda reminds me of a modern boxer, name is Joe Joyce.

[@florisvanlingen]

The wing chun chain-punches were not taught as downward going hammer fists. This is bad for your elbows since you are more likely to hyper extend them as well as you don't hit affect their centre of mass but only the surface. Back and hammer fists do have their place and you can do it however you want. I just want to respectfully give some insight in how Ip man, Wong shun Leung and Bruce lee did traditional chainpunches. The top knuckle of your rear fist starts at plexus height, the bottom three knuckles pointing towards your target. When you punch your elbow slides along the front side of your body driving the punch. The punch goes upward and foreward at the same time until you reach your target. The arm relaxes and drops down just enough to clear for the next punch. Here's a video for refference : kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJu1eKKmi7VlaNU&ab_channel=%E5%A4%A9%E4%BD%91%E5%92%8F%E6%98%A5%E5%9B%BD%E6%9C%AF%E7%A4%BE%EF%BC%88TianYouVingTsun%EF%BC%89

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Interesting video but he's not hitting a person. Any video of it hitting a person and how it's meant to look in the fight? Sparring footage with it? Thanks!

[@florisvanlingen]

@@metrolinamartialarts A few videos to show the angle: instagram.com/p/B8uUGMHppDr/ instagram.com/p/CRxJZcuJz8k/ instagram.com/p/B0YsMxlB8eK/ Sparring: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rISQgah6aM6En6s&ab_channel=JaiHarman

[@florisvanlingen]

@@metrolinamartialarts The reason the fist in Wing-chun goes up and foreward has to do with power generation. The power should not only come from moving the arm very fast, but from the whole body. In practice this means your whole body mass should be moving foreward or rotating to add power. Bruce lee's one inch punch is more of a rotation method rather than stepping. In wing-chun the power comes from timing the end of the step with the snap of the punch. In Wing-chun your elbows need to be in, in order to transmit the force to the ground. When you do a foreward wing-chun punch the force comes back into just your upper body. If you punch up/foreward with the elbow in the correct spot you can absorb the force with your waist/legs. If done correctly others will feel like you are a solid wall. However this structure is hard to maintain whenstepping in and out really fast at a longer boxing range. Like everything it has strength and weaknesses. You gain the ability to absord and dissolve force but lose a lot of mobility.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@florisvanlingen I didn't see any of that in Sparring. The guy he was hitting had no idea what was happening 😳 There was no power in his punches. Any more? Any in a fight - not a movie?

[@florisvanlingen]

@@metrolinamartialarts I made my case which was that according to wing chun the fist goes up and foreward and is timed with the step. Here's Bruce Lee's wing-chun teacher demonstrating what I explained: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5PXoYSZdreofM0&ab_channel=WingChunKungFuHolland I dont feel like supplying you with endless video's until satisfied. Try it out for yourself I would say. The wing-chun guy in the sparring video is also an MMA fighter with BJJ, Muay thai and boxing experience. I highly doubt his punches are weak. The context of the video is a challenger stopping by for some sparring. He made clear that he was the better man, no need to throw his hardest punches to prove a point. It was sparring after all, not a fight. Also I agree with most points made in the video and will add that the elbow down punch is a close range tool and should not be used in a longer boxing range since you indeed leave yourself open to round punches.

[@TreySimmons-n8k]

Do you guys still teach jeet kune do

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yes, but technically no

[@johnangelobasoy8459]

Naoya inoue, connor benn,manny paquiao use vertical jab also

[@BigPannunz]

Did you say fencing?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yup. Some of the footwork is from fencing

[@genebrohan2401]

Mikes learning wing Chun/jkd things are getting serious

[@carlosmondragon2580]

I was sparring Tuesday and it was my first time sparring in awhile, I noticed that the vertical fist is way more effective against the people I’m going against, but I’m still really rusty and was wondering if you have any tips for getting back into sparring shape 😭

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Nice! Good job.

[@chrisdunnettmusic]

That is incorrect that JKD is only based on Wing Chun, Fencing, and Boxing...you said you were told that but obviously not by Guro Inosanto (my teacher) and I'm surprised that since you trained with Ron Balicki that you say that? He knows there's more to JKD as well. There are elements of Savate in JKD, Sijo Bruce Lee added elements of Tang Soo Do after meeting Chuck Norris and there is definitely Grappling in JKD. Just wanted to clarify that. Regarding the vertical fist it does give you slightly more distance and speed than a horizontal fist and is a bit less telegraphic when following the trajectory of your elbow and/or your center line.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

You are 100% correct! I said that in a way to kind stir the pot - but I think I missed the mark on delivery 😅

[@metrolinamartialarts]

BTW it was Teri Tom who said that I believe.

[@chrisdunnettmusic]

@@metrolinamartialarts Thanks for clarifying...sorry, I didn't catch that. All good though :)

[@chrisdunnettmusic]

@@metrolinamartialarts Yeahhhhh... she's been saying that and she's just plain wrong on that

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@chrisdunnettmusic I agree 100%

[@mdug7224]

Noice.

[@narulizard]

I thought the three pillars were Wing chun, TKD and Boxing????

[@metrolinamartialarts]

There are more than three, but the main ones are Wing Chun, Savate, Fencing, and Boxing.

[@narulizard]

@@metrolinamartialarts right I forgot the Oblique kick check. But I'm curious, why Fencing. because I thought the more bladed stance of BL's came more from TKD and Karate more than fencing; just due to the prevalence of dojo's compared to dedicated fencing schools.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@narulizard it's more for lungeing and distance stuff.

[@narulizard]

@@metrolinamartialarts foot work got it.

[@reinerwongler7263]

Nobody uses gloves in a street fight

[@Devi_Shammuramat]

If you try hip torque method with vertical fist, bareknuckle on mattress-up-against-a-wall your knuckles will end up all scraped - the point being that fist must follow direction of the hips: therefore horizontal fist would go better with that (tho I have moved onto integration of the diagonal torso leverage, from intermediate hip torque method ever since reading Jack Dempsey's book over two years ago). But for vertical fist, then the hips must also be facing forward.

[@cjsher90]

Icy Mike is becoming a Martial Arts Master while getting other channels clout. It's dope and I'm along for the journey.

[@SasquatchTX]

Lets start a movement to call him Grandmaster Icy Mike - it honors his rap history AND his status with Mike-Fu or Icy-Do 😄

[@LeyvatenLoop]

Wing Chun guy here, great explanations! Another useful thing about the chain punch is how your rear hand is always available, so you can "easily" use it for blocking, parrying, grapling, framing, trapping or whatever without letting go of the pressure from the punches. It takes some getting use to and a lot of failed attemps in sparring until you get the hang of it, but it's VERY rewarding once you get it right. The best way to think about it is instead of imagining it as "a chain of punches where I can replace a punch with something else to adapt to/take advantage of the situation", imagine it as "a chain of moves alternating your arms quickly and going foward to pressure the opponent, and if the opponent isn't doing anything particulary threatening, those moves will be punches". It gets to a point that when two guys that are really good at this spar against each other at my gym, only half of what they're doing with their arms are punches during a chain, the other half is a bit of everything!

[@InGrindWeCrust2010]

Nicely put. That's the actual application...it lets you keep both your hands out to defend yourself and to be poised for the next technique.

[@Ben10Blader]

My friend used a straight blast in a boxing match against someone twice his size and it was probably the most effective shot he landed the whole time. Still make fun of him for that but it was pretty cool.

[@owenli7180]

Used chain punches in sparring, but mostly to force people to cover up before angling off and throwing a more serious shot at the side of their head etc. Sometimes, I've used it as a "finish" once I've forced an opponent to drop their arms, or open their guard. It's not a technique to enter with though, every time I've tried it, I've been countered. Their attention needs to be somewhere else beforehand. If throwing the punches bare fisted, the rounded bicycle method of throwing chain punches is highly likely to skin your knuckles super quickly. I prefer to throw them in a horizontal teardrop pattern, so the fist lands with the knuckles flat, and is withdrawn downwards in a straight line at 45 degrees to the ground before re-chambering for the next blow. Too many of the people I trained with tore their knuckles apart on leather pads because they had a more circular punching pattern, literally smearing the skin of their knuckles across the target before recovering that hand. Effectively, they were sanding the skin of their knuckles. If smooth leather pads do the damage I witnessed, I don't want to see what clothing, facial hair or teeth would do. An added bonus to punching with the teardrop pattern is that it's structurally better for sending your opponent backward, penetrating their guard and taking their initiative than the more usual elliptical/circular pattern. More aggressive, and less "pat a cake".

[@antoinehemi4266]

......or you might just have a good jab

[@antoinehemi4266]

@Adam A. Lol You are not supposed to shift at all in boxing, from a technical stand point and to not get knocked out of of a counter cuz shifting make you lose stability and it's easy to use timing against you I reccomand you to take proper boxing class if you can my friend, it helps a lot for your understanding of principle of fighting i learn a lot from it

[@owenli7180]

Thanks, @Adam A., that's something I didn't know. I suspect it would still have some of the same shortfalls as the Wing Chun roll punch though, even if it covers more ground and could be more powerful. Shifting footwork is neat, and I do use it while sparring too (currently boxing). However, because I'm always the little guy, I've noticed a few vulnerabilities to doing so. When switching stance, you inevitably square off to your opponent before the next punch hits them (only for a fraction of a second, but you do). If your hands and elbows are low at that point, as with the rolling punch, almost any straight punch from the opponent is going to hit you meaningfully, or stop you in your tracks. I have eaten enough jabs to the face to have learned this lesson. So while shifting footwork/changing stance helps with chasing people, you'll likely want to do it once to catch the opponent by surprise, or be able to actively/passively defend yourself on the way in. I find it's not really possibly to actively or passively defend yourself WELL when throwing the rolling punch as intended (The Cantonese name for it is pretty clear - The straight charging punch [native speaker FWIW]). 1) You're committed to throwing follow-up punches at the same target and using the same angle; 2) your elbows are pointed down, meaning you can't hide behind them like you can with a boxer's jab/cross; 3) Because you're charging forward, you're never fully extending each punch, so you can't protect your body with a bladed stance; 4) While using rolling punches, it's almost impossible to move your head and body in a way that makes it harder for your opponent to hit you (e.g. peek-a-boo, Dempsey Roll etc.) So in my mind, it's a technique you use when you're already winning an exchange. e.g. You've made them cover up, and you're trying to keep them that way, or they're tired, and you're pressing the advantage. I've found the rolling punch not to be something to charge at someone with unless their attention is elsewhere. At least not in my experience. You might catch someone by surprise the first couple times, but after that, if they're a smart fighter, there's quite a few ways they could nullify its effectiveness: angle off; kick low; straight kick to the chest; duck under and throw a lead hook etc.etc. I mean all of this is a bit "what-iffy" anyway. If you can pull it off in sparring, or have seen someone do so against a resisting opponent, more power to you/them. Just sharing my experiences. The rolling punch needs to be set up carefully, and has a very specific use.

[@Art_Sco]

I've always looked at JKD Jab (vertical punch)as a mixture of western and eastern boxing. Since Wing Chun is known as "Chinese Boxing". The vertical punch is displayed perfectly in the Floyd vs Cotto fight. Floyd couldn't get his traditional right hand off so he used the vertical punch. In some instances the Philly Shell will lead you to Bong Sau- Lap Sau. Great video!!!👍🏾

[@MarcosAG90]

British Barelnuckle boxing uses vertical punches. You may wanna check it out

[@bransonroth2162]

You have to understand that every single Kung fu was considered a form of what we know as the translation of boxing from Chinese. Wing chun isn’t THE Chinese boxing it’s literally called wing chun kuen which means beautiful springtime boxing but that doesn’t mean it was the only Kung fu to be considered a style of boxing. In ancient times boxing meant fighting to the death and it was only softened after boxing moved out of Europe after it was brought over from Greece

[@Art_Sco]

@Branson Roth preaching to the choir. Martial arts and History is what I know. I was only being specific to make a point. In correlation to the video mentioning boxing and Wing Chun/JKD. Not to leave other styles of Kung Fu or any other styles of Martial arts out for that matter. Not that deep to me. But thanks for the input.

[@stephanwatson7902]

Yeah it's also mixed with Jack Dempsey's powerline and gravity step punches. Wing Chun punches are good, but unfortunately most WC people although they practice their punches, by punching with their legs and hips (through proper alignment of the elbow and the fist), which is how boxing teaches punching, from the legs and the whole body, but when WC people fight most seem to use windmill like "arm punches". Like with the one-inch punch they trained to use their whole body and generate power from floor, but they don't seem to spar much or put that concept to use when they're punching And believe me I started with Wing Chun which lead me to JKD/MMA

[@MarcosAG90]

So punching vertically is anatomically convenient to transmit more of the power generated by the body weight into the punch at a lower speed. That is a good approach when not using gloves, as it protects the hands, and makes the punch very penetrating. When using gloves, it is best to generate power through speed, and punching horizontally makes it easier. That is why you see more vertical punches in traditional martial arts that were developed without gloves. Gloves changed everything! Pd. As an experiment. Try pushing som heavy object with your fist and see what works best for you

[@shadowfighter6445]

I still like practicing the vertical punches, if I ever get into kickboxing I should try some of it out for sparring. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

You should! You should spar because it pressure tests you and you should use it because it's a fun punch 👊

[@shadowfighter6445]

@@metrolinamartialarts It is a fun punch, I do it a lot every time I watch martial art movies 😂.

[@MinhaFamiliaAQBJJ]

The time i spent with Mayweathers gym most of his guys used that vertical punch while moving to the side away from the counter jab. If someone practices something enough...theyll make it work 👍🤜

[@GhostHacker55]

I use it a lot. Great for splitting right through the guard once they get use to your normal jab.

[@destrylefebre5392]

I am so happy to see JKD/Wing Chun getting some love. I've practiced wing chun for 7ish years now, and there is so much garbage and hate (some of it deserved) on KZbin, it was discouraging that very few were properly and humbly representing. To see this is a breath of fresh air.Thank you

[@puertoricanrum2163]

Old school Boxers used vertical punches all the time. Carlos Monzon and Hector Camacho are 2 names that come to mind that used vertical jabs in their arsenal.

[@ehisey]

I want to say those guys used straight lefts and right more than a vertical jab. The difference is range. The simple straights dint see much use anymore, but they slot in distance between the the jab/cross and hook/uppercut ranges.

[@justindantonio1579]

Most Boxers use straight punches once they learn that they land quicker with more efficiency plus the old school guys used them, as for them not being powerful enough for knockout punches Joe Louis would disagree as he used vertical punches when he knocked people out.

[@thorquatopeters276]

I find a great way to use the vertical punch is to cut across the oponents jab/ cross (with the propper footwork) and land a hit on them mid combination. The vertical punch (as opposed to a regular boxing punch) i think has a better way of cutting of the others punch instead of trading punches. This is a nice extra tool to have in your sparring toolkit, love this techenique. Also wanted to say that it is great discovering your channel, coming from the inosanto kali/ JKD liniage. I recognize alot of things in your videos, yet there are plenty of extra instights to be gained. Exited to see whats next from this channel! Cheers from Belgium

[@killamilla702]

The Vertical Jab in boxing was shown to me by stepping forward when you throw it and keeping your arm stiff to go thru the guard using your body weight never found it akward

[@memr5690]

I got hit In the face by a Jik Chung Choi a couple days ago, I was astounded because I've never really had that happen to me before. That move sure is surprising (I should try JKD).

[@benjaminpujols1914]

Yeah if you can muster up enough power and speed to do that chain punch it could be just as deadly or deadlier than accommodation but that goes with any kind of punch as well any kind of style of punching if you're fast enough and you like a certain type of punching cuz it's either cool or it's just whatever was available to you at that moment if you're at a certain distance you know go for it and hope for the best

[@FightingEdgeUK]

Valid . That's how I have related it 🙏👊

[@suicidal.schizophrenic]

Hello

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Hey there!