Making A Collet Chuck For The Lathe

[@artisanmakes]

G'day everyone, Looks like I had to reupload the video I just posted. Thank you for letting me know that the last 6 minutes was missing. Not exactly sure what occurred there but Adobe Premiere Pro just decided not to render the last 6 minutes of the video. Cheers. Hope you enjoy the video

[@DingleTwit]

Thanks for the update, I was wondering why the video disappeared right after I stopped watching it!

[@grahammctygue724]

Great job well thought out 🎉🎉😊

[@ynes6658]

Re-watching it to get the end :)

[@Cairos1014]

Thank you, that was fun. What is in your squirt bottle for cutting fluid?

[@CNCMakerNW]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJDNnoypop2DqNksi=UyYAJM257LvgzyoV I don't know where else to post it so I'll just put it here. This guy is stealing your content

[@schwuzi]

that 4mm cut was damn impressive

[@graemetho9805]

depends on the depth of cut

[@alexcrouse]

My 1939 South Bend 16" lathe can't do a cut like that. And it weighs 2600lbs!

[@rpm-zr4fh]

@@alexcrouse I agree. I have a late 1800's Putnam Machine Co lathe that my buddies full size skid steer could hardly pick up. It ain't makin a cut like that!

[@RainManFights]

Your sense of Humor is awesome. You and This Old Tony are the most fun to watch and learn from for my money.

[@GaisaSanktejo]

True; it's a shame ToT doesn't post as often these days

[@FamTech.]

Y’all missing out on inheritance machining

[@GaisaSanktejo]

@@FamTech. Nope, subscribed to them too ;)

[@wrongtown]

Don't forget Blondihacks 👍

[@Galerak1]

If you like machining combined with a sense of humour you could try Inheritance Machining and Not An Engineer. Both are really good.

[@briansavage932]

Its so wild watching small lathe projects like this and then going over to Cutting Edge Engineering’s channel and seeing parts that have to be transported and mounted with the help of a forklift or overhead gantry. The range of machining is huge.

[@graemetho9805]

Try HAL Engineering in Central Qld, they make Kurtis look like a hobbyist. They need to carry their big boring bar with the overhead crane

[@ianbruene1529]

It isn't a real collet chuck unless it comes from the Collete region of France. Otherwise it's just a sparkling squishy holder thing.

[@Tvngsten]

As a Colletois, thanks for pointing that out. Most people don't know this fabulous invention comes from here.

[@jimsvideos7201]

I had an occasion where a woman named Colette held up a drill bit; that was what came to mind.

[@MF175mp]

But Sparkling chuck and collete are the same thing 🥱

[@lkw6640]

😮 You heathen! Of course there is a difference! But only those of us who are cultured can appreciate the difference between a lowly sparkling chuck and the refined bouquet of a Collet paired with just the right metal 😊

[@vaulthecreator]

@ianbruene1528 Oh, well played. Well played indeed 👏👏👍

[@RalfyCustoms]

Nicely done buddy, I really like collet chucks, too. Thanks for sharing 🎉

[@TheDonutMan3000]

Some inheritance machining style soft jaws would be a fun future project. Not that they're necessary at all, but they seem pretty convenient and look super good. They'd also show up in almost every video, so I think it's worth the effort

[@dsgs2776]

But a total faf to make

[@howder1951]

Great video, I never thought of getting collets until I had struggled with chucks for about 20 years, and now I don't think I could survive without them. Enjoyed the video, cheers and thanks!

[@cdrive5757]

I love it! When you were test fitting the chuck to your spindle I was saying "Yes, slowly creep up on that fit with abrasives" and you did! When I do this I'm going to be fitting it to a 2-1/4" - - 8 TPI spindle nose, on my SB H10. No matter,..you gave me all I needed at my end . Thank you! Wakodahatchee Chris

[@alexcrouse]

I had to make a collet nose for my SB16 recently. I still need to make the nut to make removing it from the taper less of a nightmare!

[@cdrive5757]

@@alexcrouse Hi Alex. Sorry but you lost me. Removing 'what' from the taper? I have a suspicion that your spindle nose is not the 'OLD' standard 2.25" - 8TPI .

[@jhonbus]

Nice job! Those deep cuts were impressive, that thing was taking off steel like it was peeling a potato!

[@louiel8711]

That's one big chunk of metal to cut on that machine, great job

[@rjung_ch]

Another nice shop tool you made. Cheers 👍💪✌

[@azyfloof]

I felt like I was in the twilight zone after I watched the last video and it ended suddenly, scrolled down to see if anyone had commented and saw there were NO comments, and then I refreshed and the video had gone xD

[@Dragon_G4m3r]

I wasnt really paying attention and then suddently it was gone and i couldnt find it in my feed, i thought i was going insane

[@joshwhite6947]

You tube does weird shit to me sometimes. Every video will have the same amount of likes sometimes more likes than views.

[@brianmoore1164]

Beautiful project and very nicely done. The razor sharp "for aluminum" inserts are a joy for our smaller machines. Take a look at some other shapes, and you can increase the durability.

[@CoolIdeasDIY-qv1nz]

Great job, colleague👍👍👍

[@joewhitney4097]

Great project, great video, and as always great job. Thanks for sharing.

[@rpm-zr4fh]

Holy sh!t my guy. What a rigid setup! Awesome video!!

[@jhbonarius]

Wow, impressive result!

[@steveman1982]

I sort of felt I was left hanging with the previous upload :)

[@randyshoquist7726]

You can really speed up your four-jaw setups with two accessories. 1) A dedicated dial indicator that mounts in your tool post exactly at spindle center height that you can mount quickly, and 2) a second chuck wrench so that you can move opposing jaw pairs together. There are several videos illustrating the method, perhaps you've seen some. It almost makes the four-jaw fun to use.

[@SuperJaXXas]

Nice work and sweet upgrade! Love my collet chuck, real time saver.

[@RCake]

Beautiful project 🤩😍🤩

[@gagasmancave8859]

Mmmmm looks like a nice project for my Myford

[@dnngskn62]

I love those style collets, so versatile.

[@sky173]

Nice work. I've planning this for quite some time for my little Logan. Thanks for sharing.

[@RustyInventions-wz6ir]

Very nice work. I have a collet and chucks, I really need to start using it.

[@thisolesignguy2733]

This was so interesting I had to watch it twice. Great job! That little lathe just really surprises me

[@Gauge1LiveSteam]

Did one of these a few years ago. Use it so much, I bought a second lathe to make a dedicated collet lathe. Make yourself some split arbors for square and hex stock.

[@CandidZulu]

You do great work! For inside measuring you can of course use good old inside calipers.

[@WayneCook306]

Great job and well done. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@TheDistur]

Looks like a handy piece of tooling. Good job.

[@TalRohan]

My mate Chuck has a girlfriend friend called Collette but you can't put round things ....never mind. Useful bit of kit, it explains why Colletts are pretty much the only chucking system watch makers use thanks for sharing

[@vr66luke]

Fantastic content as always

[@MCsCreations]

Brilliant work, dude! Really well done! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@t0mn8r35]

Very interesting project and looks very useful.

[@stringmanipulator]

you make very good things 😁👍👌

[@mcorrade]

thought something went wrong. I thought my system was hosed or something. Thanks for reuploading and clarifying.

[@Dogfather66227]

Nicely done. I suggest you investigate CCGT inserts for finishing rather than the diamond type - there might be a little more rigidity and tool life although they are not quite as versatile. I have found that I rarely use the CCMT for anything but roughing.

[@kalusovsky]

There is also a DCGT and CCGT inserts that made for carbon and stainless steel. Those work good for finishing passes.

[@harrisbrancazio3196]

Looks like it came out great. I was a bit skeptical of the entire chuck being held on by only the three m8’s. But I guess if it could handle those 4mm cuts it should be fine. Worst case set it back up in the vice, pop some clearance holes through the threads, and through bolt it.

[@ls2005019227]

Excellent job! Kinda wonder why we didn't see some parting/trepanning to save the unneeded steel from the chip pan- 🤷🏼😉😁 Thanks!

[@artisanmakes]

Lathe isn’t rigid enough to trepan 1045

[@stephenbridges2791]

Sometimes you have to come up with alternative methods to allow for your equipment. Well done, sir.

[@KX36]

I don't want to spend time dialling in a 4 jaw. So I'll instead make a whole new chuck! Gotta love the logic.

[@jamesmeader6539]

You dial in the 4-jaw every time, into the future. You make the collet chuck once.

[@boots7859]

Drop some decent dough or spend some time doing something you like to make a simple tool assist, vs spending 3-4 min every.time.you.chuck.in.the.4.jaw.chuck.for.the.next.5.-.10.years.... Logic is like good Content, some people have it, and, (quick check of your profile) some don't.

[@KX36]

Except it's not like he's never going to use the 4 jaw again.

[@jpwhre]

I was wondering what happened. It just quit playing, I hit replay, and it was marked as private, and it was no longer listed on your channel 😂

[@brianhaygood183]

Our lathe at work sounded a lot like yours until I adjusted the lash between the gears. Worth a look, maybe.

[@GeorgeAlex-j6k]

Could you elaborate a bit on that?

[@samrodian919]

A very good job mate! I'm surprised a one horse motor can make 4 mm depth of cuts. Well impressed! Do you have a diamond blade in a grinder? You can touch up the side rake on those aluminium inserts to sharpen them again and get at least three times the use from them ( probably only twice using on steel though lol)

[@cliffbiermann8159]

Awesome thanks.

[@jamiebell2920]

Hey, I loved the video, but how come you aren't using your quick change toolpost that much?

[@Mike40M]

Having same lathe and a bought collet chuck. Runout 30 microns. So you did the right decision to make your own. But it might depend on collet quality. Lots of cheap collets not worth buying.

[@kurokami5964]

i recommand cutting with an aluminium insert at a cutting speed of 40% of the coated insert at least, can even be slower VC being max 80m/min compared to 185m/min for a C45 with TiCN steel insert basicly cut it at the same speed as if you were slot milling with an uncoated carbide mill

[@STK66]

I was just about to comment on the nice Abom reference, when the video disappeared. 😅

[@peterdkay]

That's great runout. Is it repeatable if you remove chuck and re-install it?

[@andersgrassman6583]

I would probably have machined the inside taper before spending time cutting away all that excess outside material, since the inside taper is a much more difficult operation to get right. (I don't think you need a compression ring, to test mounting a ground bar in a collet, and check fit and measure run out.) At least on my current little cheapskate lathe, the three jaw chuck's mounting recess is somewhat oversize. I figure this is probably actually intentional, to allow dialing in and minimize runout, those times runout really matters? Kind of a makeshift replacement for a four jaw chuck, but limited to large diameter round pieces. I haven't used this "feature" though. Just doing operations in the right order and way, has so far made the three jaw chuck limitations manegeable. Luckily, my toolholding morse taper collet chuck - just like the one you showed - has covered my needs so far. (I do very small parts for 45mm gauge model steam locomotives.)

[@Andy-Gibb]

Can you tell me where you get your metal from here in Aus. I am in Townsville and have a rough time finding material for my projects. As for tool steel forget it. I can certain sizes and only get mild steel up here unless it is in full 6 meter lengths. Any help would be appreciated

[@Raye938]

I don't think I've ever seen someone use a collet chuck on a lathe before. It looks very useful!

[@axa.axa.]

Oh shit you should see a proper cam lever collet chuck made for many larger lathes.

[@andrewworley8946]

Nice one dude 😊

[@kimber1958]

Nicely done

[@roderos]

Amazing work! Didn't learn much new but enjoyed it a lot. Is there a specific reason that you did not use trepanning in removing so much material and save some of the metal? Probably time is my guess

[@axa.axa.]

This MF'er deserves some proper machines

[@patrickbeck4062]

Will that taper be that accurate, setting it off such a small distance? The larger the distance you set it off, the more accurate you should be able to get it.

[@andli461]

My thoughts as well. Now, the result seems to be really good. Impressive! 👍 As a rule of thumb though, if possible, indicating over a greater distance is favorable.

[@RobB_VK6ES]

amazed you got even close to matching tapers using a single mm of travel. Much better to use say 50mm and multiply the calculated infeed by 50. This also multiplies the error. It's called similar triangles.

[@tas32engineering]

That gear head lathe is designed to remove steel. But I would let the motor rest half way through removing all that material. Fell asleep watching video , up early. Good content very handy small turning. Impressive lathe. Any backlash?

[@malteser0212]

I think that with the sanding the flange down method you made the mating surface into a cone. Because of that, it had the self holding fit that made you think "yep, that's good". In reality, this is not perfect. Probably good enough though.

[@artisanmakes]

I doubt it’s perfect but it’s better than any register I’ve ever made. It’s repeatable so I think it’ll be okay

[@ipadize]

iirc there are chucks that have a cone instead of cylinder for locating. they are pulled in by 4 pins that have a small round shape on one side. So you dont need to make it 95.000+0.001mm :)

[@be007]

i wonder if your spindel bearrings are loose, because all that chatter you got al the time ? cheers ben.

[@RoyaltyInTraining.]

Wouldn't the taper be much more accurate with a sine bar? I'm not sure how accurate / linear dial indicators usually are. Sweeping across the sine bar with the indicator remaining at zero removes all that uncertainty.

[@DracoGalboy]

Déjà vu, but welcome to watch again!

[@SethKotta]

Very nice. By the way, I can't remember: do you have a four-jaw chuck for this lathe yet?

[@artisanmakes]

Thankyou. I do have a 4 jaw chuck, I just don’t use it very often

[@ita-1245]

I see you’re still cautious with your index finger. Hope you recover well buddy. Great channel BTW.

[@LarsDonner]

So on KZbin the lathe chip size seems to be measured on a scale from 0 to Abom?

[@claeswikberg8958]

you made that look way to easy ;)

[@chrismayer8990]

19:15 I know you've already talked about this. But the noises from your lathe are driving me crazy. Is that really normal? By the way, great video!👍

[@sachinkapatkar]

I wont to know why u had not used dividing head assembly or rotary turn table for drilling holes. Since they r more accurate compared to milling axis positioning fwd reverse backlash error generated by screw.

[@Festivejelly]

Would It not be more accurate to use a dial gauge to locate the part on the mill? I guess the holes dont have to be super accurate though as they are just holding the chuck to the plate, as the recess is the thing doing the locating.

[@artisanmakes]

Probably, it it’s a real pain to do it for something that doesn’t need to be micron level accurate

[@SuperSpudzy]

I'm thinking of getting the Optimum TU-2506V from Machinery House, what are your tthoughts on this lathe?

[@mattfear6201]

Hi. Do you feed that by hand?

[@vaulthecreator]

So, important question here..... How many takes were there before you nailed that intro? 😉

[@artisanmakes]

Let’s just say I’m glad I don’t have a film crew relying on me to nail these takes. It took a few try’s

[@chaosordeal294]

Love it when guys complain about talking and music during a build/repair video. Never heard of "mute," I guess.

[@HeathLedgersChemist]

It's important to polish your knob...

[@Locane256]

What happened to your right first finger? 😮

[@magicbytes3835]

Hello Artisan Makes, you could have bought one for $99 + Shipping from Ausee Machine & Tools 125mm they have various sizes, from Victoria, AU, they have them for ER 32 & ER 40 Collets. Cheers from me. 😃👍👍👍👍👍

[@65cj55]

They're not very accurate, or atleast the one i got wasn't.

[@magicbytes3835]

@@65cj55 Hi, sorry to hear your purchase wasn't accurate, mine was, I have a Hercus 9-inch lathe, and I had to purchase a Chuck backing plate to which I mounted the ER collet chuck too, I was really happy with the results no run out. Cheers. 😃

[@DaleDix]

He has a workshop full of tools he loves to do projects with. Fishermen have tackle and go to the lake. They don't leave it at home and go to the shops to buy fish.

[@magicbytes3835]

@@DaleDix One of my brothers did when he couldn't catch any FISH and claims he caught them. LOL

[@keithbaker8212]

Yea where’s the fun in that lol you we got a do it

[@FullSendPrecision]

I find those polished inserts dirt cheap on ebay, generally from china or india. The no name ones work just as well as the name brands... They're maybe 50 cents a piece.

[@cornnatron3030]

why not take the moving jaw of the vice and place it on the back with the part ontop of the moving jaw thats where those holes in the back side are for ;)

[@boots7859]

Did you clock the difference in runout on that manf. chuck vs his home made one? Like 40:1 better.

[@bigdogkmc]

Or just remove the vice jaws and use sheet brass or aluminum instead..

[@65cj55]

@@bigdogkmc Or just bolt it down with one bolt through the centre hole.

[@artisanmakes]

I don’t have a v jaw that could be used with the outside of the vise jaws flipped. And I forgot or face down the other side first so it wasn’t sitting flat. I needed a v jaw vise so it would sit vertically

[@cornnatron3030]

@@artisanmakes wouldnt it be possible to use the same vjaw as you did on the vise you used just leave it loose against the static jaw in the normal vice . Like normal | |_ jaw oudside | _| jaw with vblok |< _| .

[@psaltiveri]

You tease!!! 😂

[@elitearbor]

You kept mentioning 1HP being marginal for your lathe, but honestly the 36cm swing x 1m center-center lathe I have is only 3HP, so I'm left scratching my head. Must be something very different about the belts and gearing, in terms of torque, or horsepower just doesn't tell the whole story. I cut metal, I don't know much about electric motors!

[@rolfbjorn9937]

Firstly Terms : 1 HP = ~746 Watts. 1 KW = 1000W I'm in North America so 120V/240V 1P : 1 Phase 3P : 3 Phase. A 1HP-1P 120V motor will pull ±7-10 Amps @ 120 Volts and can sustain/peak probably 2.5 HP or 1.85 KW A 3HP-1P 240V model I was shopping for was rated at 11 Amps ...so 2.52 KW continuous. You probably work with a 3 HP-1P or 3P Induction Motor, rated for continuous duty at 3HP... Artisan has stated he has 1 HP motor, without specifying the type. Best case is a proper 1HP-1P induction motor or Brushless DC rated for continuous duty. But still on the low end probably 800W Mini lathes are typically shipped with some sort of Brushed DC or a universal (also brushed) motor. Often a puny 0.5 HP - 3/4 HP --> That's barely 370W-750W or Better at 1HP but probably still BDC or Universal. The issue is that these motors are definitely not Continuous Duty fractional HP types, so their HP rating is actually their PEAK power. For sh*ts and giggles: Now if we plug a universal motor from a table saw (120V 15A - 1800W) on the lathe, the sound of that banshee spinning at 25 000 RPM being internally geared down to 5000 (Typically) then hooked to the gear train of a mini lathe... would be quite interesting, for a very short while.

[@elitearbor]

@@rolfbjorn9937 That was extremely well explained for clearing up my confusion! When you put it as ~2.5KW vs ~750W... that would certainly explain things.

[@ZaphodBeeblebrox-ry5zs]

👍

[@cocon16_PW]

First after reupload ;) got scared I'd have no video to watch

[@ninomaiorano6697]

When you say 00 determines the position of the first hole, you don’t say what the position for a whole number two and whole number three is supposed to be on the DRO. I would like to know what the DRO should read when you drilled the second and third holes.

[@dirtdart81]

The DRO has a bolt hole function. You tell it where center is, then the number of holes and radius, then you can step theough each hole and itll make the readout be 0,0 if youre at that holes location. I didnt explain that well but hope it helps

[@ninomaiorano6697]

@@dirtdart81 thank you for your reply I understand

[@footballzombii]

Flaaanjge ;)

[@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994]

For larger diameter Bar what is your preferred local supplier in Victoria? I am a 4 hour drive from Melbourne so locally it is a pain for sourcing. Also chasing a supplier for 4140 if anyone knows?

[@dragonwing4ever]

is there a vostaelpine near you mate? I've been able to buy steel by the meter off them, otherwise theres aus maker supplies, nordic edge and gameco artisan supplies or sell various grades of high carbon/tool steels in various sizes

[@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994]

@@dragonwing4ever Thanks, I was more after bar rather than flat knife type blanks. Vostaelpine I haven't run across in the past but next time I am in the big smoke I will chase them up (nearly 400km away). 👍

[@dragonwing4ever]

@@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994 the suppliers i mentioned do bar aswell as flat/plate stock even some chunky round/square stock aswell

[@Vinpinto]

It is exactly the same as the first upload

[@StormHerald3D]

confused me so badly when i was i think 13 minutes in and youtube was just like video unavailable, spent a few minutes trying to figure out what was wrong with my internet before realizing it had been made private lol

[@mazchen]

Whats up with your headstock gears/bearings? That sound is awful!

[@georgecockett]

Re-upload 👀

[@Smona]

other video? I 'ardly know'er... wait

[@gangleweed]

I found them to be a waste of time when a good 3 jaw chuck can do the job a lot quicker........I have clamped an ER32 collet chuck in the 3 jaw just to see if it was practical but discarded it later.

[@stansegers4490]

Second 🤪

[@jeremiahramos5526]

First!

[@psaltiveri]

Why the reupload!? Lol

[@artisanmakes]

Adobe Premiere Pro just decided not to render the last 6 minutes of the video. Adobe products can be like that sometimes.

[@psaltiveri]

@@artisanmakes yeah première is fun like that sometimes

[@404BYTE]

15:50 it's incredible to see a small lathe pull this cut