Making a Minion

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[@FlyingDominion]

"Okay, you're facing 10 Orcus Minions." "10 minions of Orcus, got it." "No, each minion _is_ Orcus." "Wait, what could possibly-" _Pulls out a Tiamat "mini"_

[@thatcanadianguy7699]

Finally I shall have the knowledge I need to BUILD MY OWN ARMY AND USE IT TO CONQUER- oh. You mean in a ttrpg. Ah well, good enough.

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

You *are* the Senate 😈

[@treeross]

Baby steps First your D&D game, then THE WORLD

[@Seraphim_MTG]

For that, you need The Rules For Rulers, I think.

[@cameronmaas2644]

This is a great comment

[@FlyingDominion]

@@Seraphim_MTG No, you first need Strongholds and Followers to build up your strength, then Kingdoms and Warfare to leverage it against the multiverse.

[@jamesintrocaso8681]

Letting your player characters summon minions can also be a ton of fun! We're hoping to crank on mechanics for that sometime in the future. We'll likely need to tweak some stuff, like overkill attacks, to make those fun for players to use at the table, but who doesn't want to command their own minion army?

[@DanteShadowfall]

I feel like this will really be amazing for something like the Necromancer that wants an undead horde but neither they and the dm dont want the massive lump of paperwork.

[@mattlievens3573]

For sure. Minion undead would be perfect for fun necromancer game play. And minion forest creatures could be cool for Druid summoning spells

[@valerianrabello]

Could we maybe see a necromancer subclass in the Flee Mortals! Book?? O.O

[@koenvermeij9747]

Love the video! Thanks James!

[@rakatika]

The minion hp not being set to 1 blew my mind. Very well thought out.

[@gpettigrewgmailcom]

Minions having only 1 HP was really my only complaint about them in D&D4. Well done!

[@efg-smca]

Yes! I was all set to have my minions dropping like flies but this rule is really what makes it work & supports the fantasy really well. Love it.

[@KefkeWren]

Not well thought out enough. Their system makes certain tactics that would work fine on "full-size" monsters not work at all on minions.

[@kef0205]

@@KefkeWren tactics like what?

[@rakatika]

@@KefkeWren So you want to apply the same tactics for both minions and regular monsters? Don't use these rules then.

[@gregv3629]

Animating the stat block as James explained was awesome!

[@jamesintrocaso8681]

Jerry is a true hero!

[@jpappyo]

For real, I love the MCDM products, but I always struggle with reading dnd language. Having someone sit-down and just go over it step by step in a 15 minutes high quality format video like this. I could use minions all day for my encounters! This is what I needed to jump in

[@MrBinskij]

This is hands down the best thought-out Minion rule video I've seen. For real, this video sold me on the Book even more then Action Oriented Monsters

[@stefanandrews5098]

Check the PDFs out! That preview put a smile on my face.

[@batterylevellow5473]

@@stefanandrews5098 damn thing is art, it's so fucking pretty

[@HappyFunNorm]

Combine it with the inverse ninja rule where the last minion standing turns into a fully healed version of that creature.

[@dutch6857]

That's very cinematic. The horde of mooks go down in no time at all; one shot, one kill. But the last one standing is a full two minute gun-fu duel with high action and higher stakes.

[@joaoart34]

Man that looks awesome

[@jefflavenau6805]

The group attacks are a stroke of genius I can't throw at my table fast enough!

[@nikolasversteeg]

Great way of speeding up initiative. I always had them grouped together anyway, but then I was just rolling like 4 attacks in clustered bunches, this way adding the +1 is a lot nicer.

[@garrett1202]

I'm so glad James is doing RTG! MCDM has a host of talent so it's great to hear from everyone

[@kelvan1138]

I was literally just thinking how happy I am that James and Matt found each other.

[@JS-lr7dc]

I agree. I just think maybe this should be on the MCDM channel and not the “Matthew Colville” channel if James is going to do it.

[@lk4864]

It's important to outline the main purposes of using a minion, and I think primarily they're used to burn the resources of the party. You *want* them to use that Fireball spell slot, you *want* them to pull out their wand and use a few charges to clear a path. More importantly, make sure you narrate the carnage instead of sighing and picking up tokens or deleting them off the VTT with "welp, all of these guys are dead..." Really SELL the ability or action being played out like a movie, and you're the director. It's important to dance that line of player engagement and agency so they believe the resources spent on minions was A) fun and B) worth it.

[@nikolasversteeg]

This is great advice! Remember the whole reason you use them in the firstplace - so hero's can feel badass!!! Always use descriptions!

[@raz802]

Minions make great "Lightning Rod" enemies. Enemies designed to take party resources, while STILL empowering them. Much more fun than giving EVERY spellcaster character Counterspell, or forcing encounters until the Barbarians are out of Rage

[@demonzabrak]

I honestly think most DM’s would be better suited to the advice of “narrate things less, tell them the outcome and ask them to narrate their own actions.” The trend seems to be “role play the previously made decision, get a ruling, make a roll, be told the result, role play the result, make the next decision, repeat cycle,” and I’d wager that “make the next decision, get a ruling, be told the result, role play the decision and result,” is a better flow. Out of combat role playing is super different and not at all what I’m talking about, this is a tactical speed gameplay theory. It makes the cinematic experience organic and much easier to pull off. You want to hit someone and roll a 12, if the enemy has +3 dex they dodge. If they have less than 3, you hit their magic-aura/shield/armor/natural-armor, incrementally increasing the goal in a logical order and tells you why they missed. You tell them if they succeed at what they want to do before you have them describe it, and which components are responsible. Which lets them describe attacking and being defended against cinematically. If it hits, tell them how much health they have at max and how much they have left, so they can calibrate how serious the role play of the attack should be. The DM’s job is hard enough and once they get used to it most D&D players like describing what they do anyway, so let them. Delegate that fluff to the players. Feed em crunch.

[@bhizzle64]

One small thing I’d change is to make it so if a minion takes 2-3 of the “not enough” damage types, they also die. I find this can be represented pretty easily, especially if you aren’t using minis where minions can just be coins you flip over after they take their first hit. This way chip damage features don’t become useless while still being relatively easy to run. 2 hit minions have been pretty successful at my tables for some enemies.

[@nikolasversteeg]

"Chip" damage features usually require a saving throw of somekind. If they fail that and take damage, they would die as normal! I think the intention is to have it so your players don't just spam magic missile or spike growth to easily take out minions.

[@zerg0s]

Yeah, there really is no need to add contingency for anything like that. Say you cast burning hands at a group of orc minions. They all have 5 hp. You roll extremely poorly and only do 4 damage with the spell. All the orcs who fail their Dex save STILL DIE. Failing a save against a spell that causes damage is automatic death for a minion. Those orcs who succeeded at their saves, and thus only take half damage, they survive and take no damage at all. But since they’re minions and have no proficiencies, they are more likely to fail that’s save than succeed.

[@DMKen]

The thing I love most about MCDM is that you take the time to explain your design philosophy and empower your audience to utilize that information.

[@jacobs483]

This is awesome, thank you so much for making this kind of MCDM design video. seeing this “design side” video is amazing content for us GMs out there. Your minion design for 5e is pure gold to me.

[@MircoBeier]

Wait... so.... did Matt ordered James as a "Minion" for his "Minion"-Video :D ? Doing the bidding of the dark overlord (Matt)?

[@JoeAuerbach]

only way to tell is to wait till he stubs his toe and see if he goes down ....

[@pedroscoponi4905]

No way, James is _at least_ a Lieutenant!

[@MrTombombodil]

I got to tell you, the MCDM minion rules have single-handedly improved my games of D&D more than any other two paragraphs of text. And I've used that table more than any other table in any 5e book I've ever owned. They're so unbelievably perfect for adding little speed bumps in combat, complicating movement, adding some texture to the scenario, making the players feel powerful, and helping you as the DM modulate the pacing of a fight. Actual genius.

[@ezelbarroso6328]

I started watching from the first Running the Game video. This is the first time I've watched and thought, "Holy crap, I've been doing a version of this intuitively for a while." Thank you for the pleasant realization that I am a better DM than when I started.

[@theeyehead3437]

The editing for this video is great. I'm assuming it's Jerry -- if so, good job Jerry! And obviously James is great as always.

[@jamesintrocaso8681]

Jerry really crushed it!

[@felipehonoriobs]

I rolled so many bite and claw attacks that my table started using it as a verb: "ok, this lizardfolk will bitenclaw you"

[@luizalves8071]

I've already run war scenarios where there were like 20 dudes on the map, with 3 PCs. They were the longest slog I could ever imagined, and I would always go "you know what. I effed up and you guys clearly are not having fun. So the enemies all mysteriously die, lets continue", and THIS would have made those scenarios SO MUCH COOLER, THANK YOU for making me consider doing those war scenarios again

[@kerik6380]

I've been running minions and swarms to fill this function for a few years now, but this gave me a couple of new ideas and I got to try this system/these rules. Also, for someone who watches very little of the Arcadia videos etc., it's cool to see more of James :)

[@TimewalkingApe]

Really well thought-out rules, guys. Glad to see James presenting again too! Keep rocking, MCDM.

[@tom4769]

James is such a great personality! So happy to see him front and centre here.

[@bryceburgdorf9716]

I love this. I have missed Cleave and Greater Cleave.

[@eleintblood]

I'm a Patreon, Backed the KS, and pre-ordered K&F and it still doesn't feel like I'm contributing enough. This is amazing. James is awesome

[@ManFromTheFizz]

Yeah! This is REAL DnD content compared to Critical Role and Geek and Sundry XD.

[@joeleeds272]

I never write comments... always feels like a waste of time but, this one feels necessary... PLEASE give this man his own run of these videos over on MCDM. He's great!!!

[@latchbox9726]

The best part of videos like this is thay not only is it some great game design, but it explains the thinking behind how they got here. Watching this helps me think like a designer not just using some dope rules I found. I bet anyone who doesn't like these minion rules instantly has an idea of how they would do this: and that's the whole point. Love your work James and its cool to see that the "MCDM video" format works even when Matt isn't the one presenting. Great job everyone who worked on this.

[@FerreusDeus]

I just played a game with Ernest Gary Gygax Jr. where our party of six dropped over a hundred minions, and fighters did indeed get extra attacks.

[@csecskristof]

I really enjoyed the minions in the handout. But i was a bit confused how to convert higher level minions. Great to have this little explanation.

[@ThePareidolian]

My favorite first-level spell is Sleep, and I’m SO glad you managed to address it and others like it in minion rules. It would have sucked to just not allow it to work, and your solution let’s it be awesome without being overpowered.

[@TyrannusAvarus]

Jackie Chan ladder fight! I knew James was a man of taste and culture.

[@VinStJohn]

I am enjoying what I perceive to be the James-Background with the Power Morpher and TMNT 😀

[@euansmith3699]

Great stuff, James; cool looking rules, well explained.

[@chloegarcia1099]

I will definitely minionize the bunch of cultists I'm about to throw at my party Saturday night 😈 brilliant video, I can't wait for the book and in the mean time, more stuff to keep us waiting 😊

[@alarin612]

I was cruising DnD Beyond's homebrew monsters and saw someone made an "Angry Mob." It used the same swarm stats of a swarm of rats or spiders, with damage that scaled down with the mob's hp and such, but made it humans. I did the same with orcs, and it works great once players get their heads around it.

[@madsam7582]

0:38 for an instructional video these STEPS were great! 10:41 yes I actually did that, and it was fun until level 5, but I ran into THOSE EXACT PROBLEMS!! 10/10 To those amazing playtesters.

[@Shovel_Cat]

Yup, def gonna go minionize some twig blights to use along side the awakened tree waiting for my players.

[@Calebgoblin]

Just earlier today I was thinking to myself, I could really go for a new MCDM video. Behold what my wishes hath manifested!

[@Vyrexuviel]

Good grief, this came out literally just in time for my climactic end-of-campaign boss battle! They players are trying to stop an evil necromancer from summoning an army of undead, and now I have exactly the rules I need to make the army! THANK YOU!

[@thatgamingfreak]

Don't forget to alert your players about overkill attacks! Don't want them to miss out on the fun.

[@Vyrexuviel]

@@thatgamingfreak I fully intend to do so, as my Fighter/Paladin with the undead-killing sword will have a HEYDAY with these mooks! ^^ She managed to do nearly 80 damage in one round (with a crit)!

[@baobhan9094]

I used to run an encounter called 'Psychic Wolves.' The idea being that out in the forest there was a special kind of wolf that had evolved in a sense to be able to hunt bigger more powerful creatures like ogres which normally prey upon them. And even the occasional troll. These wolves were telepathic with one another and could teamwork effectively. Aside from everything, they were normal wolves. Did 1d6+2 damage and had +4 to hit. But for every wolf that 'joined in' to the group attack, the to hit increased by +1 and the damage went up by 1d6. The moral of the fight? Don't let the wolves surround you. It was a super fun fight in which something like a weak creature or a minion that can normally be removed in one hit can become a monster threat to the party. Its nice to see that other people have had a similar idea to mine. I still run psychic wolves every now and then. Githyanki have had them as pets occasionally and they've been a stable feature in my worlds every now and then. just wanted to share.

[@baconeater5557]

I just want to throw out my thanks to Matt and everyone at MCDM. I run games in Pathfinder 1st edition so obviously the numbers dont convert, but A LOT of the 5E specific content in this series is just such smart design that its really easy for me to apply in my own games. I think it speaks a lot to all of your talent that after checking out the Flee Mortals preview I am about to buy a monster manual for an edition I dont even play. Things like the Goblin minions tiny stabs or the zombie speed reduction ability James just talked about are just good ideas that can apply in some form to any TTRPG.

[@charliegordan6354]

This guy has such a great voice for presenting

[@ericpenrose3649]

Ever since Matt first mentioned porting minions in 5e, I'd been converting monsters to minions by dropping them to 1 HP as mentioned by Matt, and slapping on the "Avoidance" ability where they take zero damage on a save from AoE spells of any save type. The extra considerations mentioned in this video seem well worth the extra work in creation, particular adding mechanics and balancing to attacking in groups. I'm excited to try them out. I'd also like to add that you are absolutely right about the "Avoidance" + 1HP method making them too easy to kill, and this is coming from a person who used it for years. Even just looking at the 'Minion' trait, I can confidently say that its much better, even before playing it myself. For 'Overkill' I'm reserving more judgement until I try it out.

[@Sawtooth44]

when making a minion that uses a gun or a magic gun, take a leaf out of formation firing solutions like "FIRST RANK FIRE!, SECOND RANK FIRE!", "FIRE AT WILL!" and "SUPRESSING FIRE!" based on how automatic the weapons are

[@Poodlestroop]

Me, seeing this thumbnail before coffee: “Wow, Matt looks different when he shaves.”

[@Rubahak]

I super like this idea, or at least the idea of really simplifying the action economy. I've tried many times in the past to add larger group sizes, but my players get bored and frustrated easily. The only way that I could see simplifying it further would be treat them more like persistent spell effects with a reach range, where players roll a saving throw (probably based on the number of them in reach) to avoid or reduce damage on their turn (or be subject to an effect, like being restrained), allowing me to not worry about attacking at all, but I'm not sure if that's an improvement (or worse counterproductive). Either way, I'm super excited to see if minions would allow me to include larger groups to help vary up combat, especially when mixed with standard units as the boss. Bare minimum, this is the perfect solution for my end game boss fight, where they're supposed to fight a horde of cultists, which saves me from having to come up with my own solutions.

[@KefkeWren]

I actually feel like the "deal full damage or do none" is a misstep. This means that minions are immune to certain "death by 1000 cuts" strategies, even if that effect were to do all the damage in a single turn. For instance, unloading multiple Magic Missile projectiles into the same target. Or killing a target with on ongoing damaging condition, like setting them on fire.

[@oz_jones]

I would actually prefer the mooks from 13th Age over this, but I think it would require some tweaking.

[@arrceegee]

Great video James! I have loved your blog and game design stuff for many years and I'm glad to see you can make a really good youtube video too! I loved the Flee Mortals preview and supported the project. I've been using minions in 5e for many years, and your system is smoother than mine but I do have a thing people might want to try for big cinematic fights. You use the minion trait to make the hitpoints not quite work the same way as normal. I went a bit farther but kept the one-hit-death aspect. I gave them a damage threshold equal to a reasonable approximation of what a PC could do with a cantrip or normal attack action at that level. Anytime a minion was successfully hit, the PC rolls damage and if it clears the threshold, the minion is instantly dead. If the minion gets hit but not killed outright, no tracking HP, the minion stays alive but it is Staggered for one turn, which is a new condition that means it can move or take an action but not both. This sort of models the thing in movies where an attack causes one of the cannon fodder to stagger back, probably grimacing in pain, but then come back into the fight a few beats later, probably after the hero turns away from them and dispatches a different enemy. Different execution of about the same idea. Anyway, great video on a topic I've obviously thought a lot about, thanks!

[@wait4tues]

I've been moving away from DnD for a while now but homebrewing monsters was my favorite thing to do as a DM. It took up the bulk of my prep work when I ran during my deployment.

[@braddalrymple8615]

James you did a great job, I love you on the main camera more than the Webcam it is clear that production value has.... Value. I am super excited for my first kickstarter ever of Flee Mortals to be ready.... now we practice patience 😁

[@darthdadt]

0:37 James has excellent taste. Great video. Can't wait till I get to DM again!

[@arrowtothedhova]

Alright. Time to run a level 20 one shot with Balor minions.

[@ravenknight7198]

I feel like there should be a minion that gets a reaction somewhere, like a mimic minion that pounces when it gets somebody with the adhesive

[@The007GoldFish]

Made me think of a bunch of Roper minions that have reactions to grab characters that move by them

[@MrEcae]

Excellent video! Super informative walkthrough about both WHY minions are used and HOW to use them. Love it!!

[@3ndlessL00p]

This is perfect timing. Next week I am (probably) gonna have my players fight a horde of Oblex spawn welling up from the sewers beneath the town they've been exploring. As well as some Action-Oriented Adult Oblex.

[@jasonmountain4643]

MORE of this type of content please! This was amazing!

[@zeik101]

The “it’s what makes them a minion!” At the end had so much excitement!

[@PANKURUCHA]

This reminds me of how Genesys handles minions. I love that system so it's really cool to see a similar concept for D&D.

[@andyimpens6901]

More videos like this please, really fun to listen to. Excellent pacing and voice added to the interesting topic.

[@thomasmcarterful]

This is the best mechanical idea I've seen in any homebrew DnD. Keep it up!

[@henri7120]

Man I love this guy

[@jamesintrocaso8681]

Hey thanks!

[@Nolinquisitor]

Minions and extras have been working like that in Savage Worlds and 7th Sea, with even easier rules, for 20 years. I’m happy to see that applied to 5E.

[@shellbackbeau7021]

That 1d4 hp and 1 spell per level, sleep comes in clutch.

[@vassago42]

Minions was the best thing 4e ever made. Ive still been using them and that concept for 5e since the start.

[@stephenpatterson2860]

Awesome video, James! Thanks for breaking down the minion-creation process so effectively! Can't wait to try it out. I might use this for the Star Wars 5e game I'm planning and hoping to run soon.

[@DavidStavis]

The cleave > HP rule is what makes this. EPIC.

[@justinclement7211]

I want a series just called James explains. Pretty simple, james explains things.

[@thetravelingbard9178]

I love this! It addresses all the issues I had with minions and fleshes out a lot of the ideas that I’ve had, but haven’t had time to fully think out. Love the stuff that Matt and MCDM as a whole have come out with

[@Jayce_Alexander]

I play AD&D 2E and D&D 3.5, and I've been using minions since the early 2000s, more or less using the design philosophy explained here. First encountered the concept in Decipher's Lord of the Rings RPG. Really makes combat way more quick and cinematic, and makes the players feel like they're really, really special. It also makes the boss all the more impressive by comparison.

[@kurtoogle4576]

Serious points for showing a clip of the Jackie Chan - First Strike ladder fight. Everyone should know about it! :)

[@bretterry8356]

The ladder scene reminds me of the time I designed a monk subclass based on Jackie Chan that was all about using improvised weapons (you treat improvised weapons as monk weapons).

[@electric4224]

Fantastic video, this really got some ideas flowing for how I can run minions. Thanks James!

[@johnnybigbones4955]

Some great design here for taking the minion concept into 5e. Definitely will be using this in my games.

[@Anonymous_Eyeballs]

Great Jackie Chan reference. Idk why but that one's always been my favorite ever since I was a little kid

[@doodledicemonsters]

Was apprehensive about James being in charge of one of the main videos (I only watch the running the game series and have only seen him in thumbnails) but I quite liked this one!

[@doomduck9826]

Love minions and always have. I definitely ported them into 5E for the exact reasons in the video. Just an amazingly simple but powerful design decision. THanks for the extra info on making them :)

[@monsaemon]

Another fun feature of the minion status is it makes it very fun for 1 player D&D. You can still live the fantasy of being 1 vs many, but not be scared you’re going to absolutely overwhelm you player!

[@knifesedge]

James, quite simply, you rock! Love your style of presentation

[@TheSmuey]

I have an encounter involving a low level necromancer coming up in two weeks, so these rules could not have come at a better time! awesome, awesome stuff!

[@Keichiokami]

Thank you so much for these rules! I have been using 4e style minions in my games for years. But this is way more mechanically robust and does exactly what I need for my games to have the most epic of games.

[@Jason_Hayward]

One thing that could be done is instead of straight out removing reaction. You make them horde reactions. If there are 5 or more of these creatures active they can do this once during a full round. That way they can still have a powerful scary reaction but it isn't every single one of them doing it. Similar to how you might have legendary actions or lair actions. That way you can optionally add a threat while at the start of the fight that just like the other abilities becomes less threatening overtime. This would also give the option to give a horde of minions special abilities based on circumstances. Like a plant horde having a reaction to grab a creature moving out of their reach. While only being difficult terrain while normally moving through it. Always remember the useful quick hand for making anything. 'Keep it simple stupid.' More complexity make things easier to break and slower.

[@PickleSurprise8]

Thanks James. I love your presentation. You give me excitement and energy

[@Grogeous_Maximus]

This is on the level of the Running the Game videos that I starve for. This is incredibly useful for faster trash mobs to throw at the players.

[@ForTheGoldenOak]

The river runs again

[@suulix4065]

Great video MCDM, thank you guys so much! 🤘

[@romantheflash]

Thanks for this James, super useful and easy to see how you create minions!

[@kaisolacegames]

This was such a helpful look into minion design - thanks James and the MCDM team! I can’t wait to start using this more in my games.

[@rashadfoux6927]

Perfect timing. I was making up minions for the final encounter of a level one campaign and had them all at 1. The idea of giving them health is way better. Thanks!

[@phatman9762]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Goblinoids. As monsters they're fantastic. They're varied enough that you can run a whole night and only fight goblinoids. Goblins, bugbears, hob goblins, orcs(not sure if orcs count as goblinoids but they feel like a good goblin boss) I love them all, I like to sprinkle in some trolls or ogres too.

[@BarlowJoseph]

Saving this video for when I run my Despicable Me campaign.

[@theblindbuildergrandminuti5648]

Great topic, I made a worked on this idea for a scenario where the party was in a Seven Samurai situation and they had to lead the villagers against a mercenary‘s turn bandit situation, or goblin/orc raid. I called them mobs and combined them single blocks like swarms, that got weaker, as they took damage representing them loosing numbers. A character would lead a mob and would be a important factor of the village mob servicing over the enemy mob. I like your version cause it has enough simplicity in running it, and enough Fidelity of seeing things happen as the mobs go down.

[@liizumi3337]

What a great, clear explanation! Thank you

[@plautipus]

This is really cool and I love the minion rules you've made here. This seems like a MCDM channel video - just James direct to camera about an upcoming MCDM product.

[@civilbeard]

Awesome! I appreciate the extra advice on making minions.

[@BrendonTheBrewbarian]

Another great video and super helpful straight forward information

[@MarkWomack11]

James was great in this explanation. Great work and more please!

[@stefanandrews5098]

Finally a real way to do the Evil Wizard and their Cult finale, or to make an actual zombie horde fun, or so many more ideas! A thousand spiders in the forest? Let’s go! Low CR creatures for higher level combat, I’m hyped

[@gavinkidder1317]

Matt Colville had his minion explain minions. Great stuff!

[@Treebohr]

James is cool, I like him. Also, I now feel the need to run Helm's Deep.

[@thebowedacious]

Great video! This '"cleaving through 4 monsters at once" is exactly what is missing from some of my encounters. Super stoked for Flee Mortals!