Making a monolithic telescope Part 3: Figuring & Testing

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Huygens Optics

Huygens Optics

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@salmiakki5638
@salmiakki5638 2 жыл бұрын
though these videos i'm just drawn to think how much better/faster i would have learned at university if taught through projects like this one. Having to tackle both theoretical and practical/technological problems and solutions in order to achieve a practical goal.
@GoughCustom
@GoughCustom 2 жыл бұрын
This x1000... I got bored at school and did terribly. Dropped out of math/chemistry at grade 10 because it all just felt so abstract with no real use. Now I really enjoy watching 'edutainment' videos like this! If school had been like this I'd probably still be at school and loving it lol
@salmiakki5638
@salmiakki5638 2 жыл бұрын
addendum: I realize and appreciate that: 1) most of the solutions to practical problems in technology are overcome by a deep and rigorous knowledge of the model, physical phenomenons and mathematical instruments at one's disposal 2) in order to operate the aforementioned solution and perform critical analysis on the work done and the results obtained that knowledge is necessary. But I feel like that's the only thing that’s taught in engineering (the course I’ve chosen and that I can have a pov on) up until one reach its master thesis or doctorate. I like the field ‘because it translates physical models into fruitions in a useful manner, and having it taught in the way it is feels both -that it misses the point and really *inefficient*. Also given how our memory work, and the prevalence it gives to physical experiences and problem solving over theorical knowledge on its own, it’s really baffling how teaching it’s still at the point it is, in this century. It’s seems to be much more a result of historical heritage rather than passing down of knowledge
@Bvic3
@Bvic3 2 жыл бұрын
The thing is, my optics courses were, what, 80 hours of lectures, 80 hours of exercises, 150 hours of homework. And 20 hours of experimental lab hours. To learn classical optics then ondulatory optics. The videos show mastery of plenty of different skills. You need a thousand hours at least to get to such a broad knowledge. There is a reason school is boring. This is just like "Learn programming with Python in 20 hours" bootcamps. Real programming mastery takes hundreds of hours for the basics and thousands for mastery. And it requires an IQ in the top 10-20% range to be achievable at all. And an autistic personnality to enjoy it enough to cope with the years of practice.
@helplmchoking
@helplmchoking 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, I really didn't enjoy university and struggled more than expected because the method there was very much to front-load a lot of information - usually via very dry lectures from soft spoken people in warn, dimly lit rooms - for weeks or months then spend maybe 10% of the time trying to apply that learning. Which absolutely does not work for me. I ended up leaving and taking a very short (15 week but very long hours and a lot of volume) software development course instead where their stated approach was the exact opposite. Start the day with an hour or two of lectures, then spend 6-8 hours learning by basically diving in and trying to build something applying that day's learning. And I learnt more in a week there than a year at university. That's stayed my approach for years now. If I'm about to take on a new project outside my knowledge, I'll spend a few hours researching and immediately start trying to create something. It's a bit of a "smack head into brick wall until you figure out how to break through" approach but you find all the pitfalls, you learn why something is done a certain way by seeing the relationships in action rather than being told to do it and every step, mistake, breakthrough etc. is remembered and you don't make the mistake again. I could spend weeks explaining every minute detail in mathematic detail about how exactly to build a working combustion engine (no I couldn't), but you'd retain a fraction of it and probably run into endless unforeseen problems when you go to build one. Or, I could break the construction of one into daily chunks and explain each one while you built that part and you'd probably understand it a lot more intuitively.
@gileee
@gileee Жыл бұрын
​​​​@@GoughCustom Let's be honest. Even tho this is an educational video no doubt, we're all just wasting some time procrastinating here. And that's easy. Watching a fun 30 minute video without any expectations is very easy. Much easier than reading a book, knowing all the while you'll have to show your acquired knowledge in a quiz later. No matter how you put it, it's very difficult to make school fun, for everyone, all at once, all the while being educational. Probably impossible. We had a teacher in high school that gave us KZbin videos to learn about some math concepts, and the videos were great don't get me wrong, but most kids either found them annoying to watch regardless or they refused to watch them at all.
@AppliedScience
@AppliedScience 2 жыл бұрын
It's really great to see everything coming together in the final product. Very cool project! Did you ever find out about the difference in apparent focal length vs designed focal length? Is it possible that the microns of surface adjustment can affect the focal length that much?
@HuygensOptics
@HuygensOptics 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ben! The focal distance is actually very sensitive to small changes in the curvature of the two reflectors, an effect which is amplified even more by the concave exit lens surface. The change in focal length is due to the fact that I started with the secondary, which did not have the exact radius of curvature after correction. Because I steered on the total output of the telescope, the specs of the primary were even further away from the target specification. So yes, a few microns can make a huge difference in the Cassegrain configuration for focal length. For this project it was actually no problem because it was all about learning as much as possible and making mistakes.
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 2 жыл бұрын
@@HuygensOptics Well, assuming you learned a lot more making this telescope and these videos, than I did in watching the latter, I'm guessing you learned quite a lot! Very cool! Kudos on some great work. And yes, very interesting; thanks for sharing!
@owlredshift
@owlredshift 2 жыл бұрын
𝑓𝑎𝑤𝑛𝑠 I could watch ol' Huygens and Ben make mistakes all day. 😍 ... I could watch from far away, safely, if i had an ultra compact Cassegrain telescope, though.
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 2 жыл бұрын
@@owlredshift haha, indeed.
@t.josephnkansah-mahaney7961
@t.josephnkansah-mahaney7961 2 жыл бұрын
@@owlredshift Ooooh.....so did you order one too?
@izzieb
@izzieb 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this video series is perhaps one of the most interesting I've seen the entire time I've been on KZbin. It makes something quite obscure much more accessible.
@joansola02
@joansola02 10 ай бұрын
Obscure? It's optics! 🙂
@NorthernSeaWitch
@NorthernSeaWitch 9 ай бұрын
You could almost say that this brought it into focus. I'll see myself out.
@GoughCustom
@GoughCustom 2 жыл бұрын
Aww hell yeah! Looking forward to watching this, and thanks for continuing the series!!
@aarongough8284
@aarongough8284 2 жыл бұрын
@@russtuff hi Russ! No surprise that people of good taste, like ourselves, would run into each other here! 😉
@hullinstruments
@hullinstruments 2 жыл бұрын
Been following you since your first few videos, and I’v made AN ABSOLUTE TON of knives from the inspiration of your channel. Thank you
@aarongough8284
@aarongough8284 2 жыл бұрын
@@hullinstruments awesome mate! Really glad to hear!
@davewright3088
@davewright3088 2 жыл бұрын
Setting aside your disappointment with wavefront accuracy, I have to say that your presentation and explanation are of the highest quality..! Many folk can grind glass, and perhaps expensive machines can do it more accurately, but very few here on the 'tube surpass your quality of content..!
@flyingby3703
@flyingby3703 2 жыл бұрын
I have an idea how to make the contrast better. I believe a problem with black paint is that it’s not intended to be black to what it’s painted on but rather towards outside observation. This means that some paints rely on their drying process to create a surface structure that helps with absorbing light. It obviously doesn’t do that on the side that’s sticking to the material though. I believe a method that could work well is to use an epoxy resin in which you use something like activated coal as a pigment as this should absorb light very nicely. I admit I don’t have any experience in this field but I believe this might be worth testing.
@HuygensOptics
@HuygensOptics 2 жыл бұрын
The thing is that the paint does not go into the small sub-surface cracks that resulted from the diamond drilling. The solution is quite simple: one should polish these surfaces and then cover the interfaces with a black paint that has a polymer matrix with the same refractive index. That would work just as well from the inside as from the outside.
@flyingby3703
@flyingby3703 2 жыл бұрын
@@HuygensOptics Thank you for your reply and clearing things up! Actually I thought of those things too but wasn’t sure if that was a good idea or not so I wasn’t sure if I should mention it 😅 Guess I should have… I still believe using something like suspended activated coal or some similar type of pigment could be very effective though. Edit: I also wasn’t sure if or how the refractive index would make a difference… My gut feeling said it would be important but I somehow wasn’t sure if it would effect the light ever leaving the glass and hitting the paint or how that interaction worked…
@-vermin-
@-vermin- 2 жыл бұрын
@@HuygensOptics Would cutting baffle grooves into the outside of the telescope help too?
@nedisawegoyogya
@nedisawegoyogya 2 жыл бұрын
@@HuygensOptics or, cover the interfaces with a polymer matrix with the same refractive index in a vacuum chamber to remove bubbles, fill the cracks, and THEN paint it with the same base polymer. But idk will that work or not lol. But I guess my idea is to make a smooth surface, with polymer matrix instead of polishing it.
@jamessarrett4169
@jamessarrett4169 2 жыл бұрын
@@HuygensOptics I'm no expert, but I thought the old tried 'n true method to blacken ground surfaces was to just paint the outside with india ink. It's so thin that it wicks nicely in to the uneven surface, and you can do multiple coats/clean up mistakes fairly easily.
@musangu
@musangu 2 жыл бұрын
Incredibly niche topics explored deeply, with the perfect amount of detailed conceptual explanation. Engineering poetry. Solid state engineer with only a passing interest in optics, yet these are captivating. Thank you for these incredible videos!
@julianrichards9509
@julianrichards9509 2 жыл бұрын
Love the videos Mr huygens,i would have learnt so much from you, had you been my university lecturer,there is so much detail here,you include problems,and are open about mistakes made,This is what education should be like IMO,step by step explanations,with details of problems,as well as progress made,theoretical and practical,beautiful stuff. Your sense of humour is terrific. i thought you northern europeans were born without the humour gene!! Anyway,im a firm subscriber. BTW i originally trained as a radio and tv technician when i left school,yonks ago.Your explanation of the analog TV transmission system is spot on..
@NavigatEric
@NavigatEric 2 жыл бұрын
@ Julian Richards: the British have been known to be humorous, on occasion ...
@maxxpsteady2157
@maxxpsteady2157 Жыл бұрын
Did i just watch three videos with extremly technical concepts, extremely accurate techniques of all kinds, years worth of experience in order to even begin with, about 200k worth on ultra specialized machinnery, months of planning, hard work, tweeking everything to finally compare the product to a cheap 200usd 300mm lens and find out our thingy sucks? lol Now for real, i enjoyed every second and loved the whole project. Congrats!
@RoosKohn
@RoosKohn 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers to you. I believe the quality may improve when a long black cover cylinder is placed on the lens.
@HuygensOptics
@HuygensOptics 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, that's correct and it improves contrast quite a bit!
@stefangaleksandrov
@stefangaleksandrov 2 жыл бұрын
This video can be used as lessons in university. Incredible details. Actually never thought how many details and craftmanship are there for making something that looks simple. Bow to you champion :)
@Hilde_von_Derp
@Hilde_von_Derp 2 жыл бұрын
Superb! Superb! Thank you! As always, a wonderful journey into the art and science of really interesting optics. The skill and ingenuity on display is an absolute inspiration, and congratulations on even realizing Rick’s challenging but inspired design. As always too I cannot thank you enough for the clear and concise education in your videos, it is second to none. So congratulations and thank you!
@sazafrass
@sazafrass 2 жыл бұрын
I would watch SEVERAL hours of you explaining all of the details. It's fascinating and your explanations are incredible.
@davidg5898
@davidg5898 2 жыл бұрын
I would consider this to be an excellent result even if it was a 2nd or 3rd attempt, let alone the 1st one. Great job! 28:53 The black spray paint makes the frosted inner surface behave like a reflective diffuser. I think a less viscous paint would more thoroughly seep into the tiny pits before drying. Spray paint particles might even be too big to properly fill them in (possibly creating a refractive/reflective nightmare of tiny air gaps). A more matte/flat black wouldn't hurt, either.
@l3d-3dmaker58
@l3d-3dmaker58 2 жыл бұрын
black 3.0! or some of those super dark absorbent paints, they're thin and goopy enough to mash into the holes in the glass making perfect contact
@davidg5898
@davidg5898 2 жыл бұрын
@@l3d-3dmaker58 You're thinking about the wrong side of the butter on the bread. We know what those ultra-black paints look like on the exposed surface, but that doesn't mean they'll be equally non-reflective when viewed from the adhered side. Also, Black 3.0 is an acrylic paint. For an application like this, the particle sizes of the paint matters. Acrylic and latex paints have relatively large particles compared to others pigments like India ink (an order of magnitude difference in particle sizes). I'm not saying it definitely won't work, just that it would require some experimentation. It might not be the obvious solution for blacking out an interior surface that everyone seems to be suggesting it is.
@zyeborm
@zyeborm 2 жыл бұрын
​@@davidg5898 I wonder about surface treating the glass before painting. imagine sand blasting to get a very rough surface then painting that. The "spikes" sticking into the glass might help to reduce low angle reflection, high angle reflection might gets corner reflector type double bounce you might be able to use to get two chances at absorption. Going down that line somewhat, you don't actually need to absorb the light at the interface, you really just want to stop it from bouncing off and back into the scope. If you put a material with a different refractive index on the outside perhaps you could create a reversed optical fibre where light finds it easy to leave the body of the scope but is bent back out when it tries to return. perhaps rather than paint
@davidg5898
@davidg5898 2 жыл бұрын
@@zyeborm If anything, I think a smoother exterior surface would be better. 1/ It eliminates/reduces the problem of making sure any blacking pigment gets as deep as possible into microscopic crevices. The deeper you make any pits in the glass, the more you have to concern yourself with microscopic properties of pigments and how to apply them (and then you start over-engineering with ideas like curing the pigment in a vacuum chamber). With a smooth surface, if you can find a blacking pigment (or mix a black polymer) that's a close match to the glass' refractive index then the reflections will be hugely diminished. 2/ The taller the pits are at the sides of the telescope, the more likely their tips will become a significant source of refraction. Along the lines of your thought process, I was initially going to suggest cutting 2 or 3 rings around the perimeter and blacking them out, comparable to the light baffles in a normal telescope, but then realized it would become more of a refractive problem inside an all-glass optical train than it is in a normal telescope's air tube (again, due to which side of the baffle's surface you're blacking out). 3/ Specular reflections from a smooth surface won't harm resolution as much as diffuse reflections from a rough surface. Most specular reflection rays won't be bounced into the light path that goes to the exit pupil as opposed to the random paths that diffuse reflections take. 4/ Specular reflections are easier to deal with than diffuse. A simple light hood extending past the front of the telescope would significantly cut down the amount of rays that would otherwise end up in the intended light path.
@sciencecompliance235
@sciencecompliance235 9 күн бұрын
@@davidg5898 A smoother surface seems like it would be better for application reasons, but I'd think it would be worse for adhesion.
@richardjonsson1745
@richardjonsson1745 Жыл бұрын
The skill and experience going into this is only rivaled by the talented presentation. Complex physics are made understandable in a very rare way. As a person with only very basic understanding of optics I'm riveted to these videos. Thanks!
@SFish-wr4kh
@SFish-wr4kh Жыл бұрын
I have never really given any thought to optics, but after watching this series I am utterly captivated. And I doubly appreciate the fact that, as a layperson, you take the time to explain what you're doing and why. I'm astonished at how accessible you made an otherwise very complicated topic.
@karlharvymarx2650
@karlharvymarx2650 2 жыл бұрын
The polish of your presentation sharpened my fuzzy understanding of optics in several areas, wavefront especially. Considering the level of precision and the tangle of dependencies I'm awed you got the telescope working so well. And by hand! Your explanations of how you accomplish that make sense to me but it still blows my mind that you can work at nm scale with your hands.
@AJ-qv9yo
@AJ-qv9yo Жыл бұрын
For a hobby astronomer and layman-interest in optics, this is an insane amount of knowledge and experience condensed into 30min. I hope this is documented somewhere for future generations. The results are amazing, almost magical.
@lampadophoros
@lampadophoros Жыл бұрын
Thank you! This was the single clearest and best exposition of a technical topic ANYwhere on KZbin!! You are a master, not only of glass but of narrative. Bravo!
@Nobe_Oddy
@Nobe_Oddy 2 жыл бұрын
HOLY SCHMOLY!!!!!! I am BLOWN AWAY at how powerful that little beast is!!! I'm willing to bet that if you had access that that CDC machine at Edmund Optics and you got that design perfected, you could sell these things like HOT CAKES!!!! - But I get the feeling that's not something you're looking to do..... ANYWAY.... I didn't think something so small was possible! I mean I know NOTHING about telescopes, but I saw this video randomly (well the part 1) and decided to stick around to see how it turned out and I LEARNED SO MUCH!!!! THANK YOU!
@user-pd5ot4zd4b
@user-pd5ot4zd4b 2 жыл бұрын
This has been a fantastic series! Though I doubt many of us would attempt such a complicated grind, the background knowledge, testing instrumentation, design compromises, concepts and techniques really hit home. It's such an elegant project to "bring it all together". Love it!
@Collinoeight
@Collinoeight 2 жыл бұрын
Those 3D printed pitch tools are absolutely brilliant. I've often wondered how to grind aspheres without a lot of fixturing and tooling. Bravo
@frollard
@frollard 2 жыл бұрын
Love it. My take away seems to be "use a cnc aspheric grinder to reduce masochistic rage"
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoying this series. It has some close parallels to mmwave dielectric lensing. It's really useful to see how the issues are handled at 600 THz rather than 122 GHz.
@ElectraFlarefire
@ElectraFlarefire 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive, very, very impressive.. And I appreciate the effort to keep the construction methods down to something that can be done with fairly simple 'maker' tools. Makes the project surprisingly accessible.
@416tim
@416tim 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible project. Also, you have done an excellent job of describing what you are doing to someone who has zero experience with optical engineering.
@AlejandroMironov
@AlejandroMironov 2 жыл бұрын
Some weeks ago I had a problem with one of my vintage Leica lenses, the black paint on the inner lens elements was chipping off effectively causing low contrast because of stray light. After some research I found that Indian ink works surprisingly well for coating optical elements and reducing stray light reflections, thus improving contrast. Hope that info is useful! Excellent video as always!
@jero37
@jero37 Жыл бұрын
There is some artistic value to the imperfection of the telescope's captured images, I kinda like the soft focus and color effect achieved with it.
@1DesertPirate
@1DesertPirate 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating three videos on constructing a monolithic telescope based on the work of Rik ter Horst. It is mostly far above my knowledge of optics, but I did want to comment on your original hope to make a telescope with a final wavefront error of 1/4 λ. I read an article from Sky & Telescope (March, 1992) where the author compared visual images from four different telescopes of the same size and type (6" f/8 reflectors) but made with mirrors with wavefront errors of 1 λ , 1/2 λ, 1/4 λ, and 1/10 λ. While it was long thought that if the error at the wavefront of an optic is no more than 1/4 λ, the Raleigh limit, then the image could be considered diffraction limited, in the Sky & Telescope article it was found that improvement could definitely be seen when using the 1/10 λ optics.
@andymouse
@andymouse 2 жыл бұрын
From a layman's point of view its awesome, what a great series...cheers.
@smirkingman
@smirkingman 2 жыл бұрын
Astounding; an incredibly practical explanation of Cassegrain, which I had never been able to understand. These 3 videos are some of the most instructive that I've ever seen.
@richardd5009
@richardd5009 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely superb set of videos. In a world of dumbed down reality tv and banal pop culture, you stand head and shoulders above the dross that passes for entertainment these days. Bravo. The end result was excellent considering the accuracy required and first attempt.
@AB-jf9jw
@AB-jf9jw 2 жыл бұрын
25:00 superhuman interpreting wavefronts in his head, love it - if you can imagine the 3d space, and imagine the waves, somehow you could get used to this, but damn! very cool
@johnnycash4034
@johnnycash4034 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool. The amount of information is great. Thank you for your videos. Much appreciated.
@av8bvma513
@av8bvma513 2 жыл бұрын
O*U*T*S*T*A*N*D*I*N*G A*G*A*I*N Sir, you are without doubt, an International Treasure! Your work in creating these videos, coupled with your incisive, intelligent narration, seasoned with a very unique and Extra-Dry sense of humor, has resulted in a library of Matchless Value! Bravo! Long life, fair winds and more power to your elbow.
@NicholasTomlinPlus
@NicholasTomlinPlus Жыл бұрын
Super impressed by your thorough treatment in both theory & practice.
@AB-jf9jw
@AB-jf9jw 2 жыл бұрын
27:10 damn, that's stunning - I am literally stunned, awesome job!
@DEtchells
@DEtchells 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, so fascinating! It was so interesting to me to learn of all the second-order effects that came into play, and the idea of using 3D molds to form the pitch laps was brilliant!
@robinoja
@robinoja 10 ай бұрын
Can't believe I'm living in a time where this kind of exelent educational content is available at a moments notice, for FREE! Amazing video, you got me excited about optics again for sure. Would you consider making another one in the future and improve on the things you learned from the first?
@iamionscat9035
@iamionscat9035 7 ай бұрын
I watched part one about a month ago and I now can't stop watching telescope videos...
@denispol79
@denispol79 2 жыл бұрын
This is isanely interesting! Being an amateur telescope builder myself, I can proudly declare - your content is TOP !
@cylosgarage
@cylosgarage 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best KZbin channel. Period
@ligius3
@ligius3 2 жыл бұрын
I don't want to comment on black paint just wanted to say please post more. The level of detail is just right and the entertainment is spot on. I wouldn't change a thing in your videos and I guess they take almost as much as a lens to make. If you have the knowledge, I guess it would be cool to custom-make a prime lens for a camera, whichever is easier, 35 or 50 mm and walk us through the process of characterizing it.
@HuygensOptics
@HuygensOptics 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you are correct, in this case making the videos actually took way more time than making the telescope!
@dave20874
@dave20874 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating process! I found the use of 3D prints in the polishing process especially interesting.
@kaibroeking9968
@kaibroeking9968 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly done! The technique of 3d-printing a negative mould for the polisher is a great idea! The colour correction of the telescope seems to be quite good, too. Then, there is also the issue that Cassegrains are always bad for day time use due to stray light directly reaching the image plane. Adding a dew shield with a single baffle in front of the entrance surface may already improve this. Please do not let this discourage you from testing the night time performance: Jupiter, Saturn and Mars are up in the early mornings ;-) You could also do a star test with a real star. Albireo, ß cygni, is a nice target, high in the summer sky. In the end, it might just be that the whole system has become over- or undercorrected. Since the first surface is flat and uncoated, you could still do some deformation there without stripping the mirrors.
@morkovija
@morkovija 2 жыл бұрын
This is the secret part of KZbin where highest level of specific knowledge is hidden. Glad we found it
@Nman120
@Nman120 2 жыл бұрын
That outro segment was fantastic. I also think that it's great how much effort you put into the explanations and documenting of this project.
@frederickrelyea6519
@frederickrelyea6519 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible work, great video, and the performance from such a small monolithic lens has really impressed me!
@Neecola88
@Neecola88 Жыл бұрын
I do not know how to describe how much I have learned from this. My hobby is photography, and generally with the vintage lenses, and I googled and searched and I have never anywhere seen anyone describe this parts that I was longing for to just be able to comprehend wtf makes so much difference between images and, loss of contrast and colors. Thank you! Thank you!
@flaplaya
@flaplaya 2 жыл бұрын
The quality of these videos and of the optics are just amazing. Next level... Almost like this man works for DARPA or something.
@Toalen
@Toalen 2 жыл бұрын
we need more quality content like yours on KZbin, thanks for your work
@swenic
@swenic 2 жыл бұрын
I find this really great even though I don't grasp the advanced concepts. Thank you for taking the time to create these - they are better than watching machining videos.. Hopefully that did not come across the wrong way. Have a great summer dude and thanks again for sharing! oh, if there are any spares left over when you're done I'd love to have one :)
@eitantal726
@eitantal726 Жыл бұрын
That's what universities are for. Get yourself a science degree, especially physics, you'll understand all of it
@Alexander_Sannikov
@Alexander_Sannikov 2 жыл бұрын
this channel is crazy good. i'm really glad that you're willing to dedicate time and effort to making videos on technically advanced subjects that simply can't get mainstream level popular. i particularly enjoyed the part where you physically translated the desired shape of your lens onto your pitch surface pattern, it's genius. i thought how I'd do it many times and I could have never come up with this.
@CristiNeagu
@CristiNeagu 2 жыл бұрын
28:46 Give Black 3.0 a try, sold by Culture Hustle. It's supposed to be one of the blackest paints you can get at a reasonable price point.
@satoshimanabe2493
@satoshimanabe2493 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work! Good idea about using better black. It appears Musou Black is even darker (99.4%) than Black 3.0 (97.5%). I see it several sellers in Europe, including Amazon Germany. (Sorry, it does not seem to be available from Amazon in Netherlands.)
@osvaldocristo
@osvaldocristo 2 жыл бұрын
Only 200? It deserves a way bigger success! Thanks for post!
@VWLivin
@VWLivin 2 жыл бұрын
I love that your projection lens is a Canon 55mm f1.2! Wow.
@multidao
@multidao 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the series, looking Rik on the corner of his studio just chilling when polish his lenses seems so simple, then you show all the math and equipment necessary to get it done, there's no price in this knowledge you shared with us.
@dathaniel9403
@dathaniel9403 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work! I know that you may not have accomplished the 1/4 lambda that you set out to achieve, but it's still an amazing piece of precision engineering.
@graealex
@graealex 2 жыл бұрын
As always, top notch presentation, and probably the only channel with this kind of deep dive videos.
@OhHeyTrevorFlowers
@OhHeyTrevorFlowers 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you making this series. I’ve learned so much!
@odissey2
@odissey2 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for this very educational video. The black paint is most likely quite transmissive in the near-IR, where CMOS cameras are also sensitive. I suggest using a black paper or Al foil on top of the protective paint. Another concern is chromatic aberration, as there at least one interface surface present (output meniscus).
@mathportillo
@mathportillo 2 жыл бұрын
this is amazing! perfect balance between well explained and well summarized
@PCBWay
@PCBWay 2 жыл бұрын
What a legendary job you just did! Hats off to you👍
@peterschrauth90
@peterschrauth90 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Having ground, polished, tested, (repeat, repeat, repeat, etc…) a 200mm diameter ~f6 parabolic mirror, your work is exemplary! I enjoyed the videos on many levels… 😀
@pieguy39
@pieguy39 2 жыл бұрын
About the black paint, I know you mentioned in another comment that the surface roughness is a problem when it comes to scattering light, but would some anti reflective coating on the telescope help with internal reflections as well? Or is is the couple percent reflected on a perfectly polished glass surface irrelevant. I know that this would be a tough question to answer as you probably don't have a index of refraction of the dried paint, and AR coatings are usually designed for air to glass transmission. Really awesome series, you've really done an outstanding job of showing how accurate lenses are made in general, granted at a home workshop level.
@HuygensOptics
@HuygensOptics 2 жыл бұрын
Anti reflection coating would help a bit on the 2 refractive surfaces. The small 8mm exit pupil is very small and curved and will be difficult to coat uniformly though.
@CxC2007
@CxC2007 2 жыл бұрын
The technical level of your channel is astonishing. Thanks for this.
@igorb4650
@igorb4650 2 жыл бұрын
Whow, making this thing takes space-grade level of patience!
@ofcourseofcoursebutmaybe
@ofcourseofcoursebutmaybe 2 жыл бұрын
by far one of the coolest channels on KZbin. please please continue to expand the scope of technical consciousness !
@billshiff2060
@billshiff2060 Жыл бұрын
A mighty struggle to overcome an awesome challenge. You emerged bloodied but unbowed! 🏆
@сашапашп
@сашапашп 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just amazed how interesting and complicated optics can be! Thanks for sharing this work!)
@Killa-nb5sw
@Killa-nb5sw Жыл бұрын
Incredible video. As an employee of an optical company, I have an idea. Why must the molds for polishing the asphere necessarily be made of pitch? Polyurethane film is also used in optics, Phich is very well suited for polishing. This is much more stable than pitch and does not deform. The result is still very good! Big respect from my side!
@kronusaerospace8872
@kronusaerospace8872 10 ай бұрын
21:01 that gargantuan wave-front error is a nice touch
@RoySATX
@RoySATX 2 жыл бұрын
I know nothing of optics, other than knowing when my own eyes are blury, but still found this enjoyable.
@taxiart8363
@taxiart8363 Жыл бұрын
To reduce internal glare, cover the stacks of the cylinder not immediately with paint, but with colored dark varnish with the same refractive index, and then with the same varnish with charcoal.
@michal_king478
@michal_king478 2 жыл бұрын
awesome to see this series again. Incredible work on this project!
@ActuallySettle
@ActuallySettle 2 жыл бұрын
The patterns you developed to grind the aspherical surfaces are very clever. I wonder if a more sophisticated model of pitch deformation with temperature could result in forms which allow grinding the surfaces more accurately. Heroic effort. Perhaps you can chop put a section of the center to fix the focal length deviation .
@mceajc
@mceajc 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating project! Congratulations! It works! Your dedication is admirable. I look forward to your next project.
@EleanorPeterson
@EleanorPeterson Жыл бұрын
Sir Patrick Moore's monocle🧐 approves of this splendid video series.🙂
@Markoul11
@Markoul11 2 жыл бұрын
What a Project!! Congratulations!! Best you tube channel concerning optics.
@effoffutube
@effoffutube 2 жыл бұрын
I like how I was wondering about this yesterday and here it is uploaded yesterday.
@dibqip
@dibqip 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing - really interested in how the focal length was so different - well done all the same
@garffieldiscool1163
@garffieldiscool1163 2 жыл бұрын
I mentioned arc angle of a rainbow to be around 42 degrees between the source and the observer in a comment I made on You tube and the algorithm lead me to this intersting vidio. I have no experience in optics but was able to follow your explanation because of my interest in physics and astrophysics.
@dougreid1951
@dougreid1951 2 жыл бұрын
This has been a truly outstanding series - wonderful Thank you
@volbla
@volbla 2 жыл бұрын
This has been one of the most fascinating video series on this website! Thank you for putting it together.
@Armorant
@Armorant Жыл бұрын
Bravo! The idea of using a 3d printed part that copy the needed profile is genious. And the sperotronic part from part 2 makes me laught out loud, I didn't expect that). Wish Your good luck, sir!
@AB-jf9jw
@AB-jf9jw 2 жыл бұрын
I've never waited for a video installment with as much anticipation as this! great work Can you do a video series on nano meta lenses, and optical properties of flyash, future of VR (nano optical arrays etc) - maybe using some sim software? thanks!
@BogdanManciu
@BogdanManciu 2 жыл бұрын
Great project, the level of complexity is mind boggling, I'm also in awe of the kind of tools you have access to. Congratulations again for finishing the project, those laser calibrations seemed quite the punishment. Great results for what it is a single hunk of rock. I'm curious if you could have removed some more light by having a more rough surface on the blacked out parts and maybe some special pigment paint. I'm also curious how it would look like with a way smaller or way bigger piece of glass. You also said at the beginning there's even higher quality glass on the market. Great learning series, I have new appreciation for the field.
@ZauberTocc
@ZauberTocc 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting!!!! Never was interested in optics before, but your videos have changed this totally, thank you for that!
@dandeeteeyem2170
@dandeeteeyem2170 2 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video.. Thank you for sharing your incredible knowledge with the world. Absolutely fascinating! 🙂
@KnowArt
@KnowArt 11 ай бұрын
wow, wat een geweldig project. Petje af! Dat Pitch Polishing leer ik graag nog eens wat meer over. Lijkt me leuk om eens van dichtbij te zien
@sisterpenguin23
@sisterpenguin23 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot describe how excited I am now, just respect!
@iourip9015
@iourip9015 Жыл бұрын
It's very interesting material science. I use a lot of time mirror-reflect lens for long focal photography, and this material is very interesting for me.
@pavelnikulin8240
@pavelnikulin8240 2 жыл бұрын
I think this will definitely benefit from some optical coating
@Utopianx8x
@Utopianx8x 10 ай бұрын
This was a fascinating experiment! Thank you for sharing it.
@horrorhotel46290
@horrorhotel46290 Жыл бұрын
How is it, that all the great masters of their crafts in terms of machining have the same amazing sense of humor?
@dwiistiawan4198
@dwiistiawan4198 Жыл бұрын
28:52 you can try using Musou Black paint for the coating, it absorbs light pretty well.
@mvadu
@mvadu 2 жыл бұрын
In one video series you taught us so many advanced concepts of optics, light waves, interference, softwares for these advanced niche areas, manufacturing.. Thank for sharing your knowledge and experience with us. I can't possibly dream of replicating any of these but I walk away but smarter than where I started.
@michael1unknown
@michael1unknown 9 ай бұрын
Haha, "bad wavefront".... this video and the results are absolutely amazing !
@hoppend
@hoppend 2 жыл бұрын
Echt een heel mooi project! En geweldig goed gedocumenteerd, zeer prettig om te kijken!
@AppliedCryogenics
@AppliedCryogenics 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for documenting this fascinating project in such a clear and information-dense way! As a layman in optics, I feel like I have just received a gift of powerful new analytical tools. I hope I get a chance to apply them sometime! Thanks again! Looking forward to the next video!
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