Making a Steam Powered Train in Besiege

[@ReidCaptain]

Besiege update looks pretty interesting, might need to try a video on that soon. The bounce pads in particular looked fun to try to make an engine with, any thoughts on what I should try to power with that?

[@denki-kaminari2]

A walking machine

[@diniekawai]

You can use bounce pads for a trampoline though. Or make a wrecking ball You can make it bounce so it can destroy a village.

[@neb_setabed]

Why is the bitrate so low?

[@HoboEngineering1234]

To power a semi automatic base that could drive around and maybe automatically target and shoot enemies using maybe the bounce pads as launchers as well as using the pads to power the build to move. This sounds kind of stupid in retrospect😂😂😂

[@enderborn017]

​@@denki-kaminari2 what they said or a jumper or both

[@NolanAlighieri]

What's funny is that the physics engine of the game pushed you into engineering designs used on real trains, including the tapered wheels.

[@HoboEngineering1234]

It is cool

[@cimanimgamingstuff780]

And the instant switch from vertical power to horizontal, much like the real world development of the steam powered locomotives, iirc

[@jimbo3671]

Mankind has optimized trains

[@Kuro-mg8vc]

Low taper wheels

[@Nafinafnaf]

The tapered wheels of trains are a small detail but often unnoticed! Glad he got to know the reason lol. Well i think he actually knows alot about the thing he's making, but he just presents it in a step-by-step trial & error kinda way so the viewers feel like they're figuring out solutions!

[@TannerJ07]

5:02 that cone design was a big discussion in my physics class last month

[@eboniemorgan]

Yeah I knew what he meant

[@moistbread86]

One big concept that you missed is that steam locomotive pistons are double acting, meaning that the pistons are powered on the forward and backward stroke. Since cylinders have no torque at TDC and BDC, the cylinders are staggered 90 degrees from each other as opposed to 180 degrees, allowing for one power stroke every 90 degree rotation. This is the reason a locomotive chuffs 4 times for every wheel rotation on a 2-cylinder engine.

[@frostedwheatly3879]

I do think the lack of double action pistons are the biggest issue I see. Especially when he was showing off the increased load on the engine: having more power on each 90° turn would let it pull more as well as run smoother.

[@obliviousicarus]

Trains in Besiege, with 40k jokes? We have achieved peak tism.

[@RamonaRamona1308]

I didnt realise you were talking about warhammer at first so i was like "40k jokes, thats alot"

[@Weazyl003]

​@@RamonaRamona1308 that was my exact tism moment lmao

[@NinjaSquid0208]

I saw "steam train" and was like "this is gonna be a hit with the autism squad"

[@RaineyPeng]

I simply refuse to get into warhammer because I think it will suck me in way too much

[@TheGuardianOfTheRoad]

@@RaineyPeng i dont get into warhammer because i am a proffesional procrastinator

[@dr.depressed._6547]

I think a lot of what is actually moving the engine is the recoil of the water cannons acting on the frame rather than them actually spinning the wheels (seen especially at 10:46 where the wheels should have spun counter clockwise moving the engine left but it kept moving right, and the friction on the rails turned the wheels in the correct direction against the piston) you could remedy this by making the pistons double acting like on an actual steam engine, as it would cancel out the forces from the water cannons and only be coming from the wheels

[@Kirby_Super]

Finally, Reid has made Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.

[@JohnnyApplePie15]

Love that movie

[@TannerJ07]

Steampunk fits this game very nicely

[@ReidCaptain]

Trainpunk

[@TannerJ07]

@@ReidCaptaintrain powered steam

[@Cuppachoccy]

@TannerJ07 steam train powered

[@kiwigaming09]

​@@ReidCaptain train powered train.

[@XxskctariqxX]

@kiwigaming09 steam powered steam

[@JohnDoe-bl7gj]

I love that there's trains in Besiege now, and i just have a few tips for you if you come back to this idea. Try linking the four small wheels at the front (the pilot wheels) to a subframe that has some lateral movement along the tracks, and so that they can start to turn before the main driving wheels start to turn. Also, try removing the thin, biggest wheel in the center of the driving trio. That's your equivalent of a flange, and on lots of model trains and some real ones the center drive wheels would be "blind" (no flange) so that they still provide adhesion to the rail on the straights, but on turns they just float. Kind of like semi truck trailers. One last thing, steam locomotive pistons are offset by 90° instead of 180°. That way no matter how you stop you wouldn't end up with one piston at full extention and one at full retraction, thus with no way to inject steam into the other side of the cylinders and move the pistons. Until next time.

[@DrRussian]

I dont quite think 90° would work in besiege without a 4 stroke system. Otherwise you'd end up with 1/4 rotation without power.

[@REEbott86]

Offsetting pistons by 90 degrees was more to do with putting down more torque and is a big part of what gave steam trains their ability to seemingly pull any load with enough time. There were many simpler fixes to pistons getting stuck at full extension which were used on steam engines, just not on trains.

[@levibruner7553]

My man reinvented the wheels, couplers, valve gear, and steam engine all in one video. And he pretty much ended up right where we are. The wheels especially, they are literally built how they have been for the last 200 years: Conical and flanged.

[@towelie5997]

The red onez go fasta!

[@Aurathon3D]

Trains are pretty dang satisfying. If you're looking for ideas, maybe trying the Spider Mech design from the movie 'Wild Wild West' could be a bit of fun. Eight legs, opposing movements, hook it up to a weird engine... you know classic Reid approach.

[@SSS333-AAA]

if he makes some kind of spider mech powered by something really fucking stupid i would not be surprised.

[@Cactacae]

"some may call it inefficiency, I call it a feature" That perfectly summarized this channel ngl

[@jebb_kermanYT]

12:43 average orc engineer:

[@TheTrueMr.Chicken]

I got this game a few weeks ago and I've literally played it every day since than. I used to watch your videos on it a few years back but never actually got it until recently. Thanks for recommending it, in a way.

[@WillDa713]

The Captain is back in Besiege

[@philippeleprohon4823]

12:41 When I heard that, I looked at the comments, looking for WarHammer 40k comments. I was not disappointed lol

[@jc_art_]

How is this a warhammer joke? its been a common joke about racing and paint-jobs for a very long time.

[@philippeleprohon4823]

@jc_art_ Orks in that universe are psychics that make whatever they believe is real to be. Purple is invisible, for example. "Have you seen a purple ork? Exactly." As for red, things painted red go faster.

[@SamArrow]

Yeahhh warhammer didn't invent that joke

[@philippeleprohon4823]

@SamArrow Well, that's qhere I heard it from the most, so...

[@matiascampbell2464]

Key things about trains 1) low angle tapered wheels are necessary for good travelling. 2) offset the pistons at 90° so that there is never a time that both pistons are at max travel. (unable to push past 'neutral') 3) larger drive wheels give more speed, smaller drive wheels give more tork Hope this helps if you ever come back to this.

[@johnm9263]

steam pistons attach at a 90 degree offset on either side to the driven wheelset this is because they provide a push on BOTH sides of the stroke, forward and back this means you get 4 pushes per rotation, this gives you a lot more "oompf" to move rolling stock (the train cars) in almost all cases, a steam engine has more pushing/pulling power than an electrically driven one (including diesels and diesel-mechanic ones), but it only gives you more power when its actually able to get all 4 cycles to go off in a set amount of time, which is why we just use more diesels, because they can just slug it out at really low speeds

[@trustyoldiron5416]

I'd love to see another episode of this. I'd stagger the crank pins on the wheels at 90 degrees and make the "pistons" double acting (Push and pull) That way every 1/4 turn of the wheels is a power stroke. Double your power and run much smoother.

[@dyrbr69]

everyone know that red paint makes a train go faster

[@someonerandom9939]

now we know why the caboose is red

[@GabeGabe10]

It’s always a good day/night when RiedCapn uploads

[@ReidCaptain]

Yooo

[@Auriacularia]

@@ReidCaptain”oh yeah”

[@Airsky-z5k]

Cool vid! I think you should attempt making an autogyro(upwards power comes from an unpowered propeller(it could be powered on takeoff))

[@thatawkardfeeling9076]

"some my might call this inefficiency, but I'm gonna call it a feature" -Reid Captain, 2024

[@Texas_and_Pacific]

It’s a lot better if you offset the pistons by 90 degrees rather than 180, at 180 both pistons get stuck in the center of the wheel where they can’t push or pull so you get a lot of binding, but at 90 degrees when one piston is at the center the other will be in the top or bottom of the wheel so it’ll be able to turn the wheel to a point where the other can start working again

[@Gb_cole]

150 years of train design in 20 minutes

[@AGuyWhoDosentKnow]

5:50 idk if it's just me or is there a trend of talking about conical train wheels

[@Tstario]

Ita just a fact of life

[@danielvigario3477]

12:43 my braid immediately went "*fading in* To to toro, Max Verstapen"

[@legdig]

i'd love to see you try this again with mechanical valvegear like a real steam locomotive!

[@Hugo-xr1mg]

this is literally the history of steam engines all over again lmao loved this vid, hope u do more trens in the futur

[@gearandalthefirst7027]

The wobble from the steam cannon recoil is actually something in real engines, they do a "dance" because of the inertia of the pistons and rods. It's a lot more pronounced on engines with no leading or trailing trucks, such as 0-6-0s.

[@REEbott86]

That may be true but the steam cannons inertia is sometimes actually cancelling out the pistons and wheels on his build, the inertia of a piston on an engine that weighs tons isn’t exactly doing that😂

[@KingPieGamez]

Another great vid

[@davidbolisoi1397]

the god of gaming mechanics

[@Ladyoftheroundtable]

Im over here crying for you to add a second set of wheels. A single set will never be stable

[@Dr.Sockenshmirtz]

He actually did it!

[@DavstrWrexham]

Brilliant. I would love to see a car with folding wings so it can drive or fly which ever is required.

[@tatecrossette2855]

Choo choo amirite?

[@smugwendigo5123]

Chuga Chuga even...

[@ElDefySiensia]

Stopped watching you for a while, i realized how much i missed yeh after watching this

[@traincrazymotive]

8:29 these are called flanges. All real trains have them, and they help keep the wheels on the rails, especially if the tapered/conical wheels don't get the job done completely. If the wheels aren't tapered, you at least need flanges.

[@Wreckedftfoxy]

13:45 this is a scrap mechanic thing, since rails exist but flanges suck they just use guide wheels, btw if ur not taking a switch track use both of them on one side and replace all of them to those guide wheels it will wont bind as much also that is using cannon propulsion its not a steam engine its a steam thruster

[@kevinpark1]

The wheel arrangement you used is called a 4-6-0 meaning 4 leading wheels 6 powered wheels and 0 trailing wheels and that wheel arrangement was commonly used for freight and heavy passenger service. ( fun fact Walt Disney World uses 2 baldwin 4-6-0's on its railroad)

[@silly_sheep09]

12:40 of course!

[@frogsshadow4189]

On real steam trains the brackets connecting the wheel sets are offset by 90 degrees to ensure that they will never get stuck and one always has advantage.

[@oxbaki5839]

literally more than half the power is from the recoil of the steam, the wheels produce enough resistance for the force to just be imparted onto the whole chassis moving it forwards

[@LTC033]

This video: modern man discovers that steam locomotives are quite ingenious, actually, even in their faults-

[@mchagnon7]

The more rigidity and weight you add to the engine, the better it will perform.

[@KalelAlexsander]

I really didn't expect to see a functional train in this game waw XD

[@diniekawai]

Finnaly first time getting a video under a hour

[@daniellau1716]

YESSS another Reid upload

[@hanksegebarth]

How do you use the grid for the build surface

[@Halo2965_buh]

Love tje looke of that train, so simple yet so cool

[@FuzzyFatDragon]

looking at all your crazy creations, i think you might like the game stormworks.

[@RichRacc]

I loved this video! I love trains.

[@mothballz99]

Desperately begging you to quarter the drive wheels at 90°

[@joshuasiebenhofer2452]

Chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga CHOO CHOO!

[@coolkid6431]

Love the videos

[@NickCombs]

Bullet train pls :D

[@BigBoyCarp]

Hey I think you would REALLY enjoy playing from the depth. Ftd has everything you’d want from a war machine sandbox.

[@pavesomsk908]

I think the design is more rocket powered than wheels spinning powered

[@PCrailfan3790]

11:00 you actually want to have them clocked 90 degrees so there isn’t a stall point.

[@levibruner7553]

Actually, he doesn't have double action pistons, so 180 is the best layout. Each piston only applies power once, so 90 offset would result in both sides being unpowered for a whole 90.

[@PCrailfan3790]

@@levibruner7553 oh ok.

[@Mah_guy]

besiege NEEDS hydrodynamics!

[@denki-kaminari2]

This is going to be interesting

[@oliverhellner3504]

video idea: put now a realistic cannon in the train

[@sarozz.07]

12:42 WARHAMMER 40K REFERENCE RAAAAGHHHHHH

[@jaden46]

Modern train wheel being use in a game

[@diamondjub2318]

good thing this track only goes in one big loop, a track switch in this game's engine might be too janky to work

[@Fuminex]

Welcome back

[@jeimasuta_v598]

Legit a mans dream

[@JustarandomaccountInnit-is8lf]

He discovered wheel quartering 😮

[@I_know_your_current_location]

Hey Reid! I would love to see more dream car builder crazy contraptions and cars, if possible please make a video on this great game again

[@jarrodhunter6968]

Given that you've made a train, maybe you could make a rollercoaster.

[@FRACTUREDFUNGI]

Good video

[@ThatguywhoreallylikesCheez-Its]

Great now make the razor drain

[@AW.Dry_and_Co.]

Most steam locomotives wheels are quarted "90⁰ out of phase with each other"

[@ronanFournier]

Artillery on the train

[@AGuyWhoDosentKnow]

13:35 connect the pairs of wheels!

[@akiraekman4493]

FINNALY BESIEGE AGAIN!!!

[@anxe_the_proot]

Choo choo

[@ReidCaptain]

Exactly what im sayin

[@nottelling8129]

Now try making a Shay.

[@SebastianDonaldson-uu9ng]

still think you should try to make a harrier jump jet in besiege as a challenge

[@Islamic777resistor]

W train w video

[@bruh-ld1hd]

What if the rails being used were replaced with the wood that was used earlier to make the carriages? i guess it'll make the trains run smoothly

[@CrzyEndermn]

You should try to make a fragmentation grenade!

[@Pawn-0]

Steam powered boat!!!!

[@lizlynch-p9p]

you should build a stratofortres

[@andreychuryukin2886]

ReidCaptain Should try From The Depths I think he would enjoy it I woudnt say its similar to besige (because it isint) but it would be fun to watch what weapons he would make in From The Depths

[@maplesezmewo]

More. Gimme gimme gimme

[@D3X1K_AXYZ]

I wonder if you could have used drills instead of panels for the wheel cones.

[@NoenD_io]

Have you checked out the new blocks

[@kindatim]

I like trains.

[@XboxXbox-gn4qs]

Hay gear head you should play gear blocks I would love to see just how crazy you can go with a more optimized game

[@Bwdoby]

You should really play nimbatus it's a pretty cool game that I think you would enjoy I know I do

[@user-cb8uj1jc1v]

the only reason reid captain uses besiege instead of an actual vehicle sim, is because it would be too easy.

[@coffeecatrailway]

I haven't played in a bit but, what if you use one long piece for the rail instead of lots of 1x3 wood?

[@flimsynoodle7470]

I'd love to make a massive steam engine train in trailmakers, but the complexity limit, plus the physics engine probly would kill me half to quarter way through, without the ascetic too.

[@Mostafa-vs8bd]

Hello Use a mod for complexity limit

[@gunnartraxler6512]

Bro is the kinda guy to make a supercomputer outa toothpicks.

[@MrDeothor]

i expected a steam engine that pushes a fan that powers the wheels. dissapointed.

[@Nick-w4w5w]

Next challenge reinvent wheel

[@rtbeerzi]

Now make a car train boat plane but all in 1

[@theringerrobloxians]

I really think you should try Stormworks: Build and Rescue.