Making a Sword fight scene with BTS extras..

[@ScreenTested]

Today’s episode is very out of the ordinary for the channel so as such it might be unlisted at some point… But not to worry back to regular programming this week Edit: my sword is a Custom I built, video isn’t out yet.

[@kingsavage2272]

Leave it up, this is great

[@ScreenTested]

Perhaps but I don’t expect it to get many views and that could negatively impact the channel 👍🏼

[@zsDUGGZ]

I think you should keep it up. Your tips on how to make a good fight scene would likely be very helpful to others. Idk how it's gonna affect your channel by keeping it up tho, and I don't want your channel to suffer for it.

[@BWinced]

link to sword, plz

[@mushu8374]

You could unlist it, but put it in a playlist....

[@andrewp.mcgregor5223]

"Less is more" - you may not have gotten everything you 'wanted' in the scene but it was sharp, well put together. You mention trying to show the armour protecting the enemy fighting 3 times rather than just the once, but this was showcased very well with just the one instance. Anyway, bloody well done mate!

[@A_Pair_Of_Glasses]

Shads goofy walk and his nose poking out is hilarious lmao

[@temptempy1360]

yes, it's fun to walk in hot sweaty armour, up and down the hill all day - but trying to "sell the cool" when moving about with nothing to do or say, and no real prop or action to achieve is _way_ harder than it looks. That's why there are usually other people in frame or moving objects, because not merely "walking well" but "being seen as walking well" is a couple levels of difficulty harder. The nose was classic too - since I know a re-enactor from way back who likewise was generously endowed in the proboscis and used to have issues with his helmet. (the helmet if it sat wrong would push up against his nose, could twist his nose sideways if he had a moderate fall, and he couldn't fit anyone else's helmet).

[@pRahvi0]

I can see why the hundsgugel became popular

[@albusplaustrum06]

@@pRahvi0 LOL, being gifted with an inherited snoot myself, I agree.

[@SgtKOnyx]

Per the making of, Shad forgor his personal helmet

[@johnstuartkeller5244]

The nose poking out of the helmet gave me fantasy dwarf vibes 😂 I could see him depicted thusly in a Larry Elmore portrait. Accidental brilliance!

[@Zayphar]

DVD extras are always fun.

[@thisdude9363]

I was glad to see Shad be able to show the Internet he isn't just talk. There's basically a cult online around hating him and saying he knows nothing about martial arts or swords in general. It's always been his health issues that have stopped him from doing more intensive HEMA stuff, not his competence.

[@cedricburkhart3738]

I don't like those people

[@squirrelsyrup1921]

but also HEMA is, like...kinda embarrassing

[@cedricburkhart3738]

@@squirrelsyrup1921 Why?

[@theoneandonly3435]

@@squirrelsyrup1921 Well its like any other sport. You dont have to like ballet for example but what they achieve in terms of body control, dexterity and strength is exceptional. Still it can be boring or embarrassing to watch if its just not your thing or if you wouldnt do it yourself maybe cause you find they look funny or something else

[@paulpiche8370]

Shad and Chad with the legendary wholesome friendship that has created yet another great achievement. It is a fun and actiony swordfight with a lot of great moments and great drama. A great proof of concept for what staged combat could look like. Metatron was also thoroughly impressed which was good to see.

[@jun_sheng]

This BTS combined with watching the 2 different endings was a fun enriching experience. Felt like watching live action comic book scenes. The strong sunlight and yellowish grass seem to make the colour grading more challenging to get the medieval Europe feel. The pauldron colours looked awesome btw. Really appreciate your passion and candid sharing of the experience.

[@ScreenTested]

You are very correct the nature was extremely difficult to create a Look that was unique and believably medieval/ fantasy As always thanks for the support man I appreciate it truly!

[@billybish1717]

you can tip videos?

[@ScreenTested]

Should be able to it’s called super thanks I believe 👍🏼

[@andrew_braun]

As an european, I can say this could give (and kinda did) the feeling of late summer time.

[@CrispyCircuits]

I'm impressed that y'all did this in such a short time. I'd swap this out for so many lousy overworked fight scenes in movies today. It takes some talent to make a scene come out that isn't just technically correct, but deeply emotional. Well done. I had a construction and remodeling company. I was the contractor who always took the projects that other contractors were scared of. Ones requiring really out of the box thinking. It made the hard dirty work fulfilling.

[@jmoney2568]

Thanks! Your work is appreciated! Well done!

[@SteveVonBacon]

Great to see Marcus and Nathan again! Considering all the limitations I think you did a good job and I actually spotted some of the details you mentioned here like dynamic and closeup shots, color grading etc. It showed you put in care and effort. Also, when you try and create something for the first time, it is inevitable that later you feel you should have done better here and there, this is the nature of these things.

[@MudDragon723]

This was super fun to watch. BTS footage and commentary are my favorite features on DVDs. I love the passion, experience, and fun y’all put into each video. Thank you for what you do, as a 0900-1700 office worker l truly appreciate it. Please keep up all the hard work!

[@ForgetfulPaladin]

I wish you guys would do this more often, with bigger weapons and armor possibly some full contact. I have seen a lot of really sweet videos online of duels in movies and some full contact fights that were amazing. I'd love to see you guys recreate the Macbeth fight from that old movie, that one is great.

[@celticperspective5183]

I really like the direction that this channel and Shadiversity proper is going. It’s a lot easier to sit and call something crap than it is to go out and do it better yourself. It goes to show that you guys actually really do care about what you talk about and can put that to action. Really nice to see some creative content!

[@TheSteyrguy]

very true, personally my interest in the shadiversity videos declined when it was just complaining about stuff, not that there's anything wrong with that, but to see these guys really demonstrate the high amount of knowledge and respect they have for sword fighting and media has really impressed me

[@elechliter]

From an expert "cardboard tube from finished Christmas wrap" swordsman, I enjoyed your choreography. You especially looked intense so here is a thanks to make all your effort a little more worth it.

[@ScreenTested]

Thanks for watching I appreciate the kind words and thank you for supporting!

[@Enderov]

It's not stick figure mad drawings, it's a storyboard! 😁

[@ihtfp01]

Reality only rarely matches what we see in out heads... But if we don't try, it won't ever.

[@ChristopherJohnston-mu9ub]

I appreciate your hard work 😊

[@ScreenTested]

Thanks for watching and supporting 👍🏼

[@justinbjork5682]

Yeah, bruh… I know how hard this is. Appreciate you.

[@kungfugirevik657]

I watched the film three times, it was fantastic. Knowing that you only spent a single day filming makes it even more impressive. The bloopers were great too!

[@TheHeroicE]

Your battle looked much MUCH better than those high-budget hollywood films. You can be very proud of the result

[@trathanstargazer6421]

I will say though, I was rather disappointed that neither warrior was ended rightly.

[@JustinPrice-r8j]

How would they make a sequel where Shad's kids team up and take down Tyranth? Or another sequel where the kids turn on each other for the crown?

[@Matthew_Jensen]

appreciate the insight here. You guys did a solid job.

[@ScreenTested]

Thanks for watching Matt, hope your doing well

[@Roland3ld]

Here's the usual full support for channel growth. My favorite part in the film was Shad's slash not making it through the armor.

[@LarsLondian]

Great job, looks like you all had a good time out there as well.

[@Grandwigg]

I really enjoyed the slow motion moments in the fight. I also really like that there was more than just the 'ending' was different between the two versions. The one here was darker in overall tone. I very much enjoyed the fight scene and discussion/behind the scenes. I wish I had better feedback beyond "I really liked it. " I hope Tyranth gets more opportunities to do more of this directing style work.

[@The-Flute-Wizard]

Down by the pond really looked the best... you did a great job

[@rugspiffy]

Amazing stuff! Started following you recently after rediscovering Shad's channel and seeing your contributions there. Eager to watch your other videos now! Please do more like this in the future!

[@CrispyCircuits]

Thanks!

[@ScreenTested]

Thanks for supporting man!

[@CreepyMF]

Thanks for sharing this Bts i enjoyed seeing how it was made.

[@GaiusIncognitus]

Really appreciate this breakdown. I think your final assessment is incredibly fair. One key to your quality is your honesty with yourself. You did a cool thing with constraints. I dont want to nitpick a bunch of things. I want to appreciate what you did and cheer you on if you can keep doing more. Your foundational premise of realistic fight choreography is worth promoting!

[@TMNTfever]

The final result was great! Thanks for the BTS too, awesome insight. For the next time you guys should allow fans to be extras in soldier/peasant costumes. It would up the intensity imo.

[@ApfelJohannisbeere]

If you hadn't pointed out the wrong side bag, I wouldn't have noticed, since I was so concentrated on the overall story, scene and the sword fight itself! For me it was worth it and thank you for doing it!

[@Grandwigg]

Yep. Even though I looked for it in a rewatch, is wasn't glaringly obvious, even once I saw it. I could almost imagine an intentional use for one that way- especially in a fantasy context. Quick access potion drop into hand.

[@brotherandythesage]

Thank you for sharing how much work is needed to make an even really short video!

[@jeanette8943]

thank you for carving out time for the shortfilm and also the behind the scenes and after-discussion. i enjoyed it all thoroughly, and learned a lot.

[@roderrickad7320]

That you did the choreographie on thy fly or on the same day and make that fight scene is amazingand makes ist even more impressiv

[@temptempy1360]

The waterside was an excellent choice. Yes, on-location takes so much longer - you can see how having veteran crew makes such a huge difference - this artifact has many mysterious moving pieces. Any one failure can hold or destroy the rest. What can be a trip up, is if you get set for that morning shoot - then have to match with afternoon footage, or fill shots. The whole lighting angles and shadows change hugely - sometimes better to split the day, just so you don't have to deal with nature's 12kW spotlight change colour and angle. The video [engineer] processing to match such runs to match colour and lighting is well established but not cheap or easy, and still go so wrong. This was a constant challenge on LoTR, shooting in am, continuing/fills in pm, and because of the delays you mentioned - trying to get a lighting match while shooting during night-time with enough candlepower to try an match morning sun. Loving the "making" of. Certainly excellent portfolio piece - still surprised about no glove/gauntlets. Real(tm) movie and TV are commonly done with the talents faces visible unless the choreography explicitly calls for it, so that's not so much of a surprise from a stunt/movie prospective.

[@andrewhasissues]

I use to work as a videographer a time ago and I like these types of videos because almost no one realized how long it can take to get a few minutes of useable video. I'm frankly surprised you guys only shot for a day! You guys got some decent work done for only a one day shoot.

[@SoujiMonaru]

Came here from the recent video on Shadiversity talking about this also. I've also done a tiny bit of this type of thing before, and while we never got the final project finished, I can recall the same experiences you mention in this video. Thanks for making it!

[@Jatheus]

Videographer here! Please leave this video public. I know you were speaking in generalities, but every bit of advice you offered on film making is rock solid. I would add two things... 1. The 180* line: What you said about it is accurate and highly important. I would add that if someone has a need to cross the line, it can be done so long as it is done within a single shot (not a cut). So, if you have the actors move in a wide shot so that now the camera is on the other side, that works fine. But if you do that, stay on that side. Crossing back and forth is super confusing, as you said. It just has to be done with care and intent for a storytelling reason. 2. Separation/readability: You did two things that demonstrated this, but you didn't talk about it. You wore red and black against a green background, which visually makes the actors and action easy to read, and you were also backlit, using the sun to put rim light on your outline. Both of those things separated you from the background making you easy to follow. Like I said, all of your advice is rock solid, and thank you for what you do!

[@chricre]

Nice directing. It's good to see our favourite cameraman Nate.😊 Thanks for the hard work. Hope it gets many views. Was sick for the launch.😢

[@Goblin_Magic]

I loved the fight. You guys did amazing work, especially considering your limited time and resources.

[@asolanara]

I absolutely loved this project you guys did!!

[@verihimthered2418]

Love this type of content

[@hsmom56514]

I really enjoyed the film. Very well done.

[@karlizkool350yt]

"It doesn't cut through the armor, that's a cool moment" I agree 100%. But also, the moment of the cross guard clash (if it's called that) you and Shad are pushing and trying to capitalize. That moment is HUGE! There are so many moments of the fighters seeming to ask "how do I capitalize on this?" this is such a good, impactful fight scene and I love it.

[@jared654]

👍

[@ScreenTested]

Thank you for the support!

[@lacielexbloodsilver2544]

I love watching the behind the scenes of the short film

[@gerrade71278]

Best thing on the internet right now. Happy to be a new subscriber. Legend.

[@NimrodFowl]

This brought me so much nostalgia from my old filming days...

[@shaynekell7343]

The "plans" drawn out on paper scream a huge amount of Dungeon Master xp!

[@wolfkult4320]

Great fight. Watched both endings and loved the work you all put in

[@Blisterdude123]

Short answer, yeah, I think it was worth it. I've watched both versions multiple times, and it was cool as hell.

[@Madison-iw8ix]

It's good to see Marcus every now and then. :)

[@grrman]

Great to see this BTS. I'm happy you shared this with us! Great work

[@jacollins2010]

I didn't see it mentioned, what was the temperature out there during the filming? It looked like an amazingly beautiful day for it.

[@ScreenTested]

wasnt terribly hot but shorts and t-shirt weather for sure but wearing Brig , gambeson etc and the sun on your face wasnt the best

[@temptempy1360]

@@ScreenTested if you do it again - lots of sun-block, large hats or head drapery to stop the sun burn*, and consider a spray bottle with lots of water. Also check out cooling gel towels/sheets from your local hardware or safety shop. Mine are a blue approx A3 cloth, make them wet, then wave them even in warm air and the evaporation makes them ice cold. I usually shove one under my hat, and stick the other down my back/over my back while not watched, just to absorb direct sunlight and be like some removal Battlemech heatsink. * the sunburn isn't just a risk to the health, and danger of heat exhaustion and dehydration; but it can be hard to match and edit shots if the Faces and other fleshy parts shown change colour during the day - particularly for white folk and doing Fills.

[@josuesepulveda6850]

This was great,keep up the good work Tyranth.

[@danielpeters2675]

What you achieved is amazing. Way too hard on yourself 👍

[@joshuakitz9193]

Great to see you sharing all your thoughts on the whole process!

[@mansfieldtime]

After watching both videos, I thought this was a two maybe three day film effort at least. You did all this in One Day? I mean, granted you all have experience in filming, sword play, and what makes a good video, but dang. Well done Sir Tyranth.

[@Castawayassassin]

There is some Heroes 3 vibes i feel watching the movie. Very good direction.

[@Chasing80sToys]

This was wonderful. I really enjoy watching the extras on movie blurays like the potc or Lord of the Rings bonus extras. This video was just like that. Thanks for sharing this one 👍👍👍👍👍

[@sivelti3914]

Very nice video, I learned al lot. I never noticed that the pocket was up side down.

[@LordTyler]

Should start a series out of these, a continual story told over time with many many episodes

[@theoneandonly3435]

You guys are just amazing. Ive watched your content on Shadiversity for quite some time now and I really like that every single one brings in his own personality and skills wich makes for such great videos. Tyranth you did a wonderful job with the planning and if you still doubt some scenes (as you as a creator always will xd) just watch Metatrons reaction to your video. This is one of my favorite videos from shad and you wich actually means alot. Thank you guys so much for this

[@AnotherSigmaGaming]

Thanks for making this video.

[@lumin0s]

A lot of things definitely can still be improved. Keep it up 👍

[@jonashartman3059]

Thanks for the breakdown! it is always cool to see the behind-the-scenes, I would always watch film BTS and documentary's because I had to know all of the details. So having this is a really great resource!! When it comes to slo-mo, I like those shots when they're used in the film's shorthand sense as adrenaline, the moment where the character or the characters have a burst of adrenaline, such as a narrow miss with a blade, a struggle between two magic wielders when their spells reach their upmost, or a gunman sprinting out of cover to place several well aimed shots against the bad guys. That is when that visual is really great! Also, spot on with the color grading! I'm so sick of the modern filming technique of flattening and loosing color. Please give me my magical and fantasy color spectrum back!!!! XD Don't be too hard on yourself! Just keep trying, when and where you can. Any practice can make things better, so long as you try.

[@trynda1701]

Thanks for the BTS shots, and interesting to hear your thoughts on everything. 👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎 ⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️

[@MadHan-xg8np]

You guys are amazing!

[@JoeRonW93]

Very much enjoyed this bts look at how you approached, shot, and what you thought about the short. I've been slowly pulling together resources to make a combat short in a similar vein as what you've done here, and you are so right about all the work that goes into something that's only going to be a few minutes long when it's all finished. Anyway, well done on 'For the Crown', and good luck on your next project!

[@squirrelsyrup1921]

"More and more, I find myself wondering if it's all worth fighting for!" -Chris

[@slabness]

Great video, i enjoyed the out takes

[@martinm3474]

Hey Nathan, great seeing you again.

[@Jpcrowley-op9ow]

The pre-vis is cool keep it up. I would love to see a video with the pre-vis next to the cinema.

[@Ace-Lee]

Enjoyed both versions of the fight, and this BtS was really interesting.

[@minimachomestead]

Very fun to see the bts on the fight!

[@pythonias]

great work man,,,, excelent and brilliant short..... give me more....

[@fulldivemedia]

Cool tips, how about sharing the editing process as well

[@timsippel1845]

Good to see the squires at work 😂

[@GabrielScar]

This reminds me of how much time we have to put into making our music videos. So, this sounded very familiar. 😉 Was very interesting to watch. Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)

[@JJP8XIV]

Hey Tyranth video was amazing. Did a fantastic job on making that short film. Definitely makes me want to grab some camera stuff amd see what i can do. Give yourself a pat on the back you guys did a great job with the video. Also awesome video Tyranth. I want to do a short video someday basically challenge you and shad to duel but my fake sowrd falls apart like uh nevermind.

[@jeshualansing5814]

I love all your hard work

[@KazeKamiFooDjinn]

Yeah, I watched that Adorea Olomouc fight you referenced, and it was good, but I could tell it was choreographed. They also skipped frames to make it look faster, which to me is just a diet shaky cam. Your fight with Shad was the first one that I saw that I couldn't tell if it was choreographed or not. The only thing that convinced me that it must be choreographed is that you guys weren't wearing helmets. Great job.

[@TheLuconic]

My only complaint is that Tyranth wasn’t the winner. He’s too handsome to die!! (Btw, I remember Shad giving comments to Tyranth and he was super shy afterward so I brought it up. Hehehe)

[@Nick-ll9gh]

An aspect of storytelling that I noticed is the characterization, or lack thereof. I'd like to make it clear that I loved this fight scene, and the environmental storytelling was on point. I just find it disappointing that you have these two knights of differing asthetics, but they dont behave too differently. One moment that stuck out to me was in Shad's video. In the beginning, he prays before the banner, establishing a sense of honor and respect. However at the end of the fight, he's throwing his sword and celebrating his victory in over the top fashion. Overall a fantastic video, as far as i can tell every other element of film making is spot on.

[@infinitenex8165]

Have you considered ever making a colab with VLDL, from New Zealand? You could teach them a good choreorgaphy, and they can make an awesome video out of it.

[@KvasterSilfarin]

YES PLEASE ❤

[@OliverMilutinovic]

That was excellent, both versions, well choreographed longsword duel and top notch acting. If I can ask, where did you get the blunt steel trainers used in the film ??

[@tommyhedberg2609]

You and shad wore quite similar armor making you harder to differentiate in establishing shoot. Having a "party" tent width chairs and water behind the camera for people to have a place to rest between shots might be good, think it takes 30 min to an hour to set up.

[@soldierofchaos84]

Good job on the fight choreography, i know you said you wanted more time. Ut i think it's good for what it is.

[@MagicMayers]

Man, I'd love to see what you guys could do with a Hollywood budget. Your on-the-fly choreography is leagues above most of the crap we get from big budget films! Great work on this one. You make it look a lot easier than it is.

[@Green-HairedAnti-Liberal]

I love watching the BTS of these videos. Seeing how your brain works for all these activities is fascinating. (I can't believe it took me a month to get to this in my watch later list.😮‍💨 This one is definitely not an algorithm assist comment lol)

[@jimspetdragons3737]

Good job! Love it!

[@deviancepurplehaze6045]

I love the tension in this film. I want to see enclosed space sword fight with half-sword grip. Half-sword in a very small hallway is very interesting. I watched it once a long time ago and I really want to see you make it real and cool!

[@messylaura]

Tyranth, do you have any videos on your shoulder armor you used in this video or any link info to it? , new to your channel but been watching you for ages via Shad, great battle

[@richardplass8453]

Absolutely agree on the critical role of music! In the oughts I helped friends film and edit feature length home movies of Silmarillion stories as a hobby. With the addition of outstanding music the pieces suddenly turned from tweens and teens wailing on each other with wooden swords to something rivaling Jackson's epics.

[@anthonywestbrook2155]

For breaking the 180, if the two fighters swap places, can the camera change positions to keep them on the same side of the screen, or would it need to be a dynamic movement to avoid confusion? Or should them swapping spots just be avoided when possible? (Of course you *can* do anything, I just mean, what do you think is the best advice for noobs?)

[@kamenriderkfp6684]

When it comes to Action Cinema I always say you can't go wrong with going back to the roots. And what is the root of modern action, Akira Kurosawa's legendary film Seven Samurai. Highly recommend checking it out if you never have. From it's pacing in the fight scenes, shot composition, fast paced but clear editing, and it's limited but powerful use of slow motion. The film is a masterpiece of Action Cinema despite not truly being what we would consider now as an Action film.

[@michaelkilliany1472]

Hey, sometimes you need to do one for you to keep the passion going for the more soul crushing business decisions. Good on you and keep up the good work.😊

[@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah]

This behind the scenes gives me a greater appreciation for the scene itself. Then again, I don't watch fiction, but I do enjoy the topic of artistry, so makes sense I would prefer the behind the scenes, and that I prefer the original video now that it has a non-fiction context which catches my interest. But I was also taking the scene for granted, but I much prefer really appreciating all the artistry.

[@malkav_ils]

I'm so ready for a collab between the three of you and Jill Bearup. Please, let's try to make this happen.

[@pRahvi0]

Maybe Hollywood should hire you to direct their fight scenes. Would improve the overall quality dramatically. I'd watch any movie with your name in the director / coreography section, no matter if I were otherwise interested of the film or not.