Making an Engine Turned Watch Dial

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DM Tiffany Timepieces

DM Tiffany Timepieces

2 жыл бұрын

I'm back! Took some time away from content creation to develop some new stuff for my brand. I've taken a slightly different approach to this video; no talking or narration, just making chips.
In this video I make a dial for an upcoming series of watches. The dial is a monoblock construction with integrated dial feet. It starts off as a bar of 360 brass and is carved away into a engine turned (guilloche) dial that is finished off with a plating of rose gold. The dial will receive black polished applied indices and black polished and blued steel hands.

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@alsadaj1834
@alsadaj1834 Жыл бұрын
You're a lucky guy to not only have access to all these truly remarkable machines but to be able to use them so well. Thanks for taking us back to pre- CNC days!.
@richardnedbalek1968
@richardnedbalek1968 Жыл бұрын
The satisfaction you must receive from both admiring your own work and having it admired.
@chrisblight6069
@chrisblight6069 2 жыл бұрын
Saw this on Instagram, very nice work on the Guilloche, and the integrated dial feet are a clever addition. Certainly gives the whole thing more strength, dial feet are a pain to fix normally.
2 жыл бұрын
Super nice work bro.
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm a big fan of your channel!
@grzegorzsobczak8167
@grzegorzsobczak8167 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing job! Saw Your first videos on building the turning engine months ago and greatly anticipated the results. They are stunning!
@zachsmith3524
@zachsmith3524 Жыл бұрын
Nice adaptive tool path and Swiss tears 😂. Your process is great Darren!
@ReubenSchoots
@ReubenSchoots 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I've waited a year for this. Brilliant work Darren. Much respect 🙏
@ateliervipond
@ateliervipond 2 жыл бұрын
So happy you're back making videos. Wonderful to see more of the process!
@homeworkshopengineering
@homeworkshopengineering Жыл бұрын
Beautiful work there. I started making myself a watch many years ago and put it aside. This is very motivating to get it done. I say watch, I mean case
@garyshirinian
@garyshirinian 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work thx for sharing. I wish I had a chance to do what you do. Such pleasure watching work being done on guilloche machines when you see taking life of its own.
@KylesKinetics
@KylesKinetics Жыл бұрын
I’ve worked with metal in the form of welded sculptures for ten years. I’ve loved watches for longer. I started taking machining classes and I can’t stop thinking about watch making like this. I’d do anything to be able to machine watch parts and work in that art/engineering medium
@michaelmartinez5365
@michaelmartinez5365 Жыл бұрын
That is an absolutely stunning dial!! Kudos 👏
@ProbablyAtTheOffice
@ProbablyAtTheOffice 2 ай бұрын
Hell yeah that is so neat. I wanna get in to making watches and this dial is incredibly inspiring 🔥💪
@RedPandaLesbian
@RedPandaLesbian 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful, thanks for sharing your process!
@LawrenceButcher
@LawrenceButcher 2 жыл бұрын
You milled the feet in, serious flex you animal! Love you're work and great to see some content again. Keep it up.
@paulschumacker9901
@paulschumacker9901 2 жыл бұрын
WOW! I would love to learn how to do that! Many thanks for showing us what is possible!
@TheRecreationalMachinist
@TheRecreationalMachinist 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed watching, thanks for sharing! 👍 🇬🇧
@robdon6458
@robdon6458 2 жыл бұрын
You do some really lovely work. I hope your watchmaking enterprise is wildly successful.
@DarkPa1adin
@DarkPa1adin 2 жыл бұрын
so much work just to make one dial... this is insane quality!
@hutchdw77
@hutchdw77 2 жыл бұрын
The “Swiss Tears” bucket got my subscription.
@JeePeeEs
@JeePeeEs 3 ай бұрын
LOL
@dimitriivanov6910
@dimitriivanov6910 2 ай бұрын
same
@feafajic6392
@feafajic6392 10 ай бұрын
Excellent craftmanship
@minhoonyoo9657
@minhoonyoo9657 2 жыл бұрын
Great result and quality video! thanks for sharing your work :D
@harryhirsch3637
@harryhirsch3637 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. The plating part is very helpful. For the turning, us normal mortals will have to find a way with a china cnc-router... But that dial looks stunning!
@satyris410
@satyris410 Жыл бұрын
I would so much prefer just listening to the ambient noise, rather than the muzak. Masterful work, thank you for sharing.
@campbellmorrison8540
@campbellmorrison8540 8 ай бұрын
Fascinating seeing the whole process, Im really surprised at how little time was required in the rose gold plating bath. Im loving how you make your own gear
@JeePeeEs
@JeePeeEs 3 ай бұрын
great video & beautiful work
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Жыл бұрын
That's amazing really nice work. I'm impressed
@colerogers3137
@colerogers3137 Жыл бұрын
I machine my own dials, not with a rose engine lathe but with a manual mill and lathe. I had some trouble with super glue holding throughout the process so I switched to JB Kwik weld. When I’m finished I soak it in acetone for a few hours and it comes right off.
@AppliedCryogenics
@AppliedCryogenics Жыл бұрын
I like the mad scientist plating baths! I tried doing something like that once, and every single ferrous object in my garage rusted overnight. Even hot-blued things. It was very surprising. Maybe I shouldn't have run so much current through the HCl solution that steamed all night. ;)
@tomcruz3774
@tomcruz3774 Жыл бұрын
That's amazing. I was searching on yt how certain dial patterns were made and found your video.
@anad2982
@anad2982 Жыл бұрын
You really like this video? It is different. Old technology don’t you reckon?
@SwissplWatches
@SwissplWatches 2 жыл бұрын
totally incredible!!!
@brennerheavy
@brennerheavy 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome work brother, if I could "like" it twice, I would.
@Karol235
@Karol235 Жыл бұрын
fantastic job!
@manuelr.s6328
@manuelr.s6328 Жыл бұрын
WOW...stunning, thanks so much for showing the process
@CMacE920
@CMacE920 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful!
@TheKnacklersWorkshop
@TheKnacklersWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын
An enjoyable video, thank you
@petercozzaglio6070
@petercozzaglio6070 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful.
@stephlaw5958
@stephlaw5958 Жыл бұрын
Real nice! Great work. Keep it up :))
@Likeaudio
@Likeaudio 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work
@wannabecarguy
@wannabecarguy Жыл бұрын
I know a machine shop that specializes in impossible things. They lack what it takes to make this type of master piece.
@andrejohnson6731
@andrejohnson6731 13 күн бұрын
Amazing ❤
@azazel7996
@azazel7996 Жыл бұрын
beautiful
@jozefnovak7750
@jozefnovak7750 Жыл бұрын
Super! Thank you very much!
@jcs6347
@jcs6347 2 жыл бұрын
I have thoroughly enjoyed this. I am new hobby guy and never knew what a rose or straight engine were until I watched your videos on them last nite. I am looking for how you make the indices now. I like the different format for this demonstration. I also really like your detailed video 1 and 2 on how you are to make the straight line engine. I have most that equipment at home or work and can't wait for you to finish the straight line engine and potentially make one myself. Thanks for sharing!
@SingaporeTravellerAdventure
@SingaporeTravellerAdventure 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks for sharing. Wish you happiness, health, and peace, stay in touch🙏😊
@jemofficialromantic492
@jemofficialromantic492 Жыл бұрын
Very very nice
@stewartmcmanus3991
@stewartmcmanus3991 Жыл бұрын
Amazing.
@melody3741
@melody3741 6 ай бұрын
WHAT!!!!! Milling the feet like that???? Holy shit????
@_GOD_HAND_
@_GOD_HAND_ 3 ай бұрын
Did you build that rose engine yourself? Incredible
@imajeenyus42
@imajeenyus42 2 жыл бұрын
There's something so satisfying about seeing the pantograph engraver in action! Did you experience any problems with the brass blank warping after so much material had been removed from one face during milling? Funnily enough, I did something similar a few weeks ago, and the blank warped and popped off the holder half way through. It might be something to do with the alloy though - it looks like you have a free-machining material, more like you'd get in bar form, while I had the ductile stuff (long string chips when turning).
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
I'm using 360 brass (free machining) in extruded bar form. So far it's been super stable while machining. I remove nearly equal amounts from both sides, and the dials have been coming out dead flat. The lead content allows it to machine more powdery, you can especially see it while engine turning. It breaks the chips off very short, when non-leaded brass alloys will produce a long stringy chip.
@imajeenyus42
@imajeenyus42 2 жыл бұрын
@@DMTiffanyTimepieces Thanks, that makese sense. 360 sounds about the same as the CZ121 we have here.
@druma159
@druma159 2 жыл бұрын
So glad to see you back. This video is awesome. Are you planning on releasing any more about your straight line lathe?
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
I probably won't be revisiting the straight line build for a little while. Though I do plan on making a video on my Hall straight line engine that I restored.
@druma159
@druma159 2 жыл бұрын
@@DMTiffanyTimepieces Ahh, that is what I saw in the backgound. Would love to see a vid.
@zumwild
@zumwild 2 жыл бұрын
Born feet first! So beautiful to "watch" :-)
@pamdemonia
@pamdemonia Жыл бұрын
Lovely!
@thibaultravel9331
@thibaultravel9331 Жыл бұрын
That’s amazing and tasteful as well. How much are the watches ? Any plans on selling dials?
@vidsantoro
@vidsantoro 2 жыл бұрын
Swiss tears, lol. Great video!
@tito_662
@tito_662 Жыл бұрын
Awesome work. Any update on this piece?
@sphandengraving5691
@sphandengraving5691 Жыл бұрын
Truly amazing work! Are you on Instagram? Do you sale any of your dials? I came across this from searching his to solder feet on as I’m trying to get some black dials for hand engraving. I sure hope you make some more videos this is something I can come to KZbin for thanks for sharing respectfully Paul
@soundmindtv2911
@soundmindtv2911 Жыл бұрын
"Swiss tears" 😂
@jeroennishikigoi1164
@jeroennishikigoi1164 10 ай бұрын
I wish i could learn this somewhere
@andrewspence3171
@andrewspence3171 Жыл бұрын
I have no abilities to make a thing like this. What amazed me, was the number of steps taken to make the finished ( except for numbers and hands) dial. I would probably make a real mess of it if I tried. I would take the brass bar, face it in the lathe, part it off, glue it to a support and mill out the 12 recesses, then mill the pattern, then plate it. Where is that wrong? ( sorry, should have said, the dial is superb)
@emalis
@emalis Жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks for the video! What is the name of the guilloche machine and where can I buy it?
@misterhatman5771
@misterhatman5771 Жыл бұрын
Just found this. Didn’t know you could hook a pantograph up to a mill!!! What’s the feed back and haptics like?
@joshuanapier1463
@joshuanapier1463 2 жыл бұрын
Really interested by your use of the pantograph to creat the dial feet. May I ask why you do it that way rather than milling and either tacking or gluing the dial feet in position??
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
The milled dial feet are just way stronger and more accurately placed than soldered feet.
@zeemonkee13
@zeemonkee13 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating process. Just wondering how you harvested that much Swiss Tears?
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
When I tell them that I make watches in imperial measurements, the tears flow like the river Nile.
@zeemonkee13
@zeemonkee13 2 жыл бұрын
@@DMTiffanyTimepieces 😹🎉
@RossWristWatchLove
@RossWristWatchLove 2 жыл бұрын
Fire!!!!
@ammonrichards3131
@ammonrichards3131 Жыл бұрын
Have you made a video about the process you showed in the video of changing the color of the brass?
@BaltimoreKnifeandSwordCo
@BaltimoreKnifeandSwordCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this!! Anyone dreaming of a good pantograph let me know. I have a heavy spindle Gorton P2-2 available very cheap. Love to see it go to a new craftsmen. I replaced it with a P1-3. Located in 21104 USA at a fraction of what I paid.
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
The P2-2 is a beast. Wish I had room for one more.
@garyshirinian
@garyshirinian 2 жыл бұрын
Here I'm watching again your video. It's so beautiful. What kind of rosette are you using, what the pattern looks like. It's incredible.
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary. The rosette is a 24 wave, 0.005" amplitude.
@garyshirinian
@garyshirinian 2 жыл бұрын
@@DMTiffanyTimepieces thx very much. When I retire in 5 years I feel like making a small one for hobby. I wish that I could come and yours someday. I live Toronto Canada 🇨🇦. Thx for replying. So I'm guessing that it's radius not just a step. Is 6" in diameter? Because when I look it seems about there. Thx again
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
@@garyshirinian My rosettes are 5.25" in diameter. The pattern looks just like a low amplitude sine wave, but wrapped around a circle. Very smooth transitions, and I'm using a ball bearing as the touch piece.
@garyshirinian
@garyshirinian 2 жыл бұрын
@@DMTiffanyTimepieces thx for replying. I would use also ball bearing. Is it just in .005 or in .005 out .005
@LucasGuillemette
@LucasGuillemette Жыл бұрын
Swiss tears 😭
@Victor33
@Victor33 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Do u sell them ?
@brokenarrow1348
@brokenarrow1348 2 жыл бұрын
'Swiss Tears' sounds like a drink served at Russian hockey games.
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
It's a delicacy enjoyed around the world!
@dimman77
@dimman77 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, but any reason you don't just face the backside on the lathe then spotface and solder on some lathe turned dial feet? I mean besides just for showing how awesome pantograph milling is.
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
The milled feet are significantly stronger and more accurate than soldered feet. It's worth the extra material/time to do it this way to avoid having to scrap a dial with hours of work into it because one of the feet fails.
@TheLeeattwood
@TheLeeattwood Жыл бұрын
Wicked 🎉
@leahannwhite1111
@leahannwhite1111 Жыл бұрын
Can you tell us more about these machines you are using?
@vidsantoro
@vidsantoro 11 ай бұрын
I gotta ask: what's the difference between depth of cut and total depth?
@user-ei2de3cs8g
@user-ei2de3cs8g Жыл бұрын
good mashine)
@feynthefallen
@feynthefallen Жыл бұрын
Is that what they do in Geneva to make these super expensive watches.
@abdulrehmanahmedshaik19
@abdulrehmanahmedshaik19 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing do u sell them?
@douglaslodge8580
@douglaslodge8580 2 жыл бұрын
Did you build the lathe ?
@deadprivacy
@deadprivacy Жыл бұрын
"swiss tears" lol
@A.Pipetkin
@A.Pipetkin 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo. Сэндвич это очень хорошо. Вам нужно работать с серебром
@nunsc
@nunsc Жыл бұрын
where can I buy a dial like this?? it's for a custom mod.
@melchizedek_v
@melchizedek_v Жыл бұрын
I never knew it had to go through so much process..I thought it would be like we'll have the pattern in pc and make the pattern using laser
@wileecoyoti
@wileecoyoti 2 жыл бұрын
Looks amazing! Two questions: would you approach it the same way if the dial was domed? Eg I've got a longines 280 based watch and a couple spare movements, the dials look pressed but maybe not. Second do you have a video going over your plating process in detail? Third, not a question: the homemade rose engine is a work of art for it's own sake.
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ryan! Usually domed dials on watches have been stamped. While there are ways to engine turn a dome (think Faberge egg,) it's a more challenging process that requires some unique parts when it comes to the cutter frame and cross slide. I don't have another video going over plating, but it's definitely something I can cover in more depth in a future video. In the meantime, if you have specific questions or want to bounce any ideas off me feel free to shoot me a message on IG.
@JacobthePoshPotato
@JacobthePoshPotato Жыл бұрын
Why not use CNC, is it not precise enough?
@marcn8750
@marcn8750 8 ай бұрын
Nice video thanks you. May I request no music in the future ?
@b1r2y3n
@b1r2y3n Ай бұрын
No, you may not.
@melody3741
@melody3741 6 ай бұрын
Holy. FUCK.
@milanvucicevic6820
@milanvucicevic6820 6 ай бұрын
Moze li masina negde da se kupi i po kojoj ceni
@911_dan2
@911_dan2 2 жыл бұрын
👏👏
@aliaslan4164
@aliaslan4164 7 ай бұрын
Hello What is the brand and model of this rose engine? home made? please can you give me a plan
@bendeguzszabo3269
@bendeguzszabo3269 Жыл бұрын
Woooow what is that machine called??
@freshdugi
@freshdugi Жыл бұрын
What kind of Guilloche machine is that? It appears as though it could have been shop made.
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces Жыл бұрын
I built this rose engine myself. I have another video on my channel where I go over the machine in detail.
@yesjared950
@yesjared950 Жыл бұрын
Do you know any watch dial manufacture?
@tom18181
@tom18181 2 жыл бұрын
Did you get another pantograph engraver? I notice this one is green
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
I did! The green monster is a Gorton P2-3 3D pantomill. It's capable of running up to 3/8" tooling, and I use it primarily in my case making process.
@tom18181
@tom18181 2 жыл бұрын
@@DMTiffanyTimepieces Nice as!! You will have to make a video on that too
@Spikeydelic
@Spikeydelic Жыл бұрын
wtf is this kind of sorcery. I need to now.. how did you make this brilliant interface to run the machine?! the mill i man .. u guide it with delrin blocks it seems. but how.
@SK-gk6lw
@SK-gk6lw Жыл бұрын
SWISS TEARS ☕️
@mushious
@mushious 2 жыл бұрын
It's been 84 years....
@woodsmithbc
@woodsmithbc Жыл бұрын
Swiss Tears.... 🤣
@shs1415
@shs1415 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting way to make dial feet…
@DMTiffanyTimepieces
@DMTiffanyTimepieces 2 жыл бұрын
Give it a go. You'll never want to solder another dial foot on for the rest of your life.
@shs1415
@shs1415 2 жыл бұрын
@@DMTiffanyTimepieces I can see doing it with brass or silver. It becomes very expensive with Paladium500 dials like mine…
@samiatochrist
@samiatochrist Жыл бұрын
what you mean Swiss Tears? 😂😂
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