Making Sense of Schlage Keys and Keyways [

[@adammorris8112]

I had found documentation telling me it worked with the entire L family of keyways, but your explanation is much clearer. Thanks for a great intro to Schlage week.

[@DeviantOllam]

i am so glad over how much this is helping people to understand things

[@jonnyphenomenon]

In order to teach my students about the weakness of standard locks, I bought a couple SC20 blanks and hand filed a master key copy from an off-angle photograph of a master key on the custodians keyring taken while it was on his belt. The building uses 3 different key profiles and multiple security levels of bitting, so picking the locks is really easy, but decoding the master from assigned keys was difficult. The master I cut by hand actually opens locks better than the custodians key (his is worn out)

[@DeviantOllam]

that's super awesome

[@Grommish]

Dev covering the basics I didn't know I didn't know :D Wonderful content at always! Thanks for all the (early) hard work you do!

[@DeviantOllam]

so glad that you appreciate this! 👍

[@Reyna3103]

this is so well made, thank you for making these! I'm excited for schlage week.

[@DeviantOllam]

you're most welcome!

[@JC-11111]

@@DeviantOllam Yale week soon? 🤷 Or maybe Kwikset? 🤞🤞😁

[@JC-11111]

I know! You're working on 'Master Month!", right? 🤣

[@grapefruittango4707]

Just subscribed, refreshed my feed, and a series is starting? Perfect timing!

[@DeviantOllam]

yes, it is... every day this week =)

[@klemmr3233]

"You say Schlayg, I say Schlaager..." New tool looks phenomenal.

[@sixstringedthing]

As an Aussie I've wondered about this actually. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle when I'm not correcting myself either way ... "it's a Schlarg mate". Same way a Porscher is just a Porsh down here. :)

[@klemmr3233]

@@sixstringedthing It's definitely Shlayg - from San Francisco in 1920. German pronunciation didn't travel.

[@alexsad24]

Commenting before I watch because I am beyond certain I am going to love these. Thanks, Dev!!

[@DeviantOllam]

thanks for watching and i'm glad you enjoy this!

[@alexsad24]

@@DeviantOllam My pleasure! Great vid, content, and graphics. Looking forward to the full series!

[@morgandoehling4983]

Fantastic video! The visuals make a big difference in understanding how they work. Please keep these going.

[@DeviantOllam]

so glad to hear it!

[@H3110NU]

Shark week is kinda getting old, Schlage week is a lot more educational and fun at this point IMO.

[@stevehanes1268]

As usual, you cut to the chase and give the clear concise explanations! TY!

[@DeviantOllam]

My pleasure. I am so glad when things make sense to people! 👍

[@CanadianOutlaw]

Really looking forward to this. In the last year since I started to watch these kinds of videos that you and LPL make I've learned so much more than I ever could think of about locks.

[@DeviantOllam]

i hope that the rest of this week is enjoyable. i am over the moon with how video #4 turned out for Thursday

[@debbiewhite5634]

Hi I work for Allegion and find your way of explaining the keyways outstanding. Thank you

[@alexknouse9133]

Every time I get a notification that you've put out a video, I've learned something completely impractical but tons of fun. Thank you so much Dev

[@DeviantOllam]

that's so awesome of you to say :-D

[@DuckyFuzzer]

Always happy to see your videos so a whole week sounds great

[@garyanvil2354]

That's some really nice information... can't wait to hear more... Some nice giveaways too👍

[@DeviantOllam]

Thanks 👍

[@garyanvil2354]

@@DeviantOllam no thank you I really enjoy your tutorials you have passed on information that no one else seems to share or at least things that I've never had the chance to hear and learn

[@pbpx]

now that's a lishi I could justify buying!

[@cygnettax4931]

Finally a detailed explanation that is understandable. Thanks. I am looking forward to the rest of the week. Best wishes, stay safe and healthy.

[@DeviantOllam]

you're most welcome! i'm so glad that this is helpful.

[@sixstringedthing]

Commenting for the algorithm since you don't really see Schlage in Australia, but I'm here to learn anyway. The Lishi SC20 looks like an incredibly useful tool!

[@DeviantOllam]

we have some friends who have seen them there, but indeed Lockwood and others are much more common

[@sixstringedthing]

@@DeviantOllam from what I've seen, 90% of off-the-shelf products at Bunnings (our Home Depot equiv.) are from Assa subsidiary brands, so we could do worse I guess... we still have to deal with the Master Lock plague of padlocks etc.

[@wh8470]

Well done. This is great information.

[@michaelkoorey]

Fantastic! Can't wait to see more of this series.

[@jimpowers4463]

Always great to gain new knowledge from you.

[@DeviantOllam]

Always happy to provide it =)

[@ImGumbyDangit]

Great Video, I have known this for a while and while the 'G' key is not restricted, it is the keyway I selected for our two firehalls because the bigbox hardware stores do not carry the 'G' blanks.

[@JuneNafziger]

It’s always interesting seeing these differences, because the tiny hardware store I work at carries the entire classic line (though I don’t think we have the intermediary keys, just SC19/20), I’ve even made/sold a couple G (I think, maybe it was E or F) in my few months there.

[@R34P3RLocks]

Fantastic video! Very exciting stuff & thanks for sharing 👍🏼🔒🔑🔓

[@DeviantOllam]

you are most welcome!👍

[@belgiansurealism5865]

Very informative! thx for another great vid :)

[@DeviantOllam]

hope you enjoy the rest this week!

[@adamkelly6264]

absolutely here for this content, fascinating!

[@liamlucky2776]

Great video Dev. Really appreciate the time and depth of information into this subject matter.

[@DeviantOllam]

so glad you liked it. i've wanted to explain this ever since someone first asked me about these keyways, well before this new tool existed.

[@cakearmy_maxgaming6346]

This was a great demonstration. Thank you!

[@DeviantOllam]

You are so welcome! 👍

[@Chirael]

Great series and explanation, can’t wait for the rest of the week; thanks for doing this 😊🙏

[@markpinther9296]

And I thought I was the only person struggling with the naming conventions of the Lishi & Schlage Worlds. Wow. Thank you.

[@rodz6331]

Great informative videos. Thank You for taking the time to explain this.

[@bowlsallbroken]

As always, you're an invaluable resource, thanks for this 👍 Looking forward to Schlage Week, and I trust later videos will have tidbits that make me feel better about recently buying a SC4 Lishi before this one was released 😅

[@TheWiNiZ]

Cant wait for the table giveaway in the end of the week! j/k Thank you for the great upload.

[@DeviantOllam]

hahaha, you bet. shipping would be a hard one there, though! :-D

[@doorandlocktips]

I love the SE20 pick it actually works better than the other ones I find the tension and the springing Ness of the Exter length on the pic itself to give more feedback than the other pics and I’ve experimented with it to be able to say I love this pic, and is the go to pic for all Schlage applications in my opinion, of course you will think differently but as I say, I love it, and I was pleasantly surprised on how much more simpler and easier it is to be able to pick a Schlage lock

[@cland2225]

Awesome breakdown and explanation. I had kind of grasped it from the key charts, but your bar drove it home. Plus the idea of a control key being the top of the hierarchy makes a lot of sense. The SC-20 will be my next lishi purchase. Thanks. And it's only Monday! What will the rest of the week bring!

[@drixom9805]

thanks for the info. I really like the schlage locks.

[@Josh-vu4sb]

This is awesome! I didnt want to get Lishis for the very reason that Id have to buy multiple. This solves that problem! Well for Schlage anyway!

[@DJwalkerworks]

Stoked for schlage week Dev! Would love there to be other key brand weeks too to up my knowledge

[@DeviantOllam]

maybe i'll get to cover more brands at a later date :-)

[@Tarful2]

Thank you so much for this series! I know a bunch about the pinning but I never grasped the keyways - what makes them different or special and how to differentiate. I hope you also cover some european keyways as we often use some different locks over the pond here.

[@DADeathinacan]

Ooh, a video per day all week? Exciting!

[@DeviantOllam]

indeed... strap in for the fun!

[@am53n8]

This was very clear and easy to understand, thank you. Im looking forward to seeing the rest

[@DeviantOllam]

So glad to hear that 👍😁

[@bleepbloopblahp]

This is so on topic for me. I just figured out recently that my common Australian keys are Lockwood keyways but have Schlage pin depth and spacing. The keyway is very much like a kwikset but I need to decode it with Schlage specifics. Thanks for this awesome content.

[@DeviantOllam]

you're welcome, man! 👍

[@johncage5368]

Great explanation!

[@DeviantOllam]

Thanks!

[@Trev488]

Nice, thank you.

[@dougfaunt5565]

Tnx. Apparently an SC20 blank is going to be more fragile than an SC4. I've had two DND SC20's break off due to careless use (although my pinning pattern contributed). Very informative. I'm getting SC4 blanks and changing the pattern.

[@doorandlocktips]

I just bought the SC 20 thanks for telling me why

[@brysonalden5414]

Thank you for this cogent explanation!

[@DeviantOllam]

i'm so glad that people are finding this clear and understandable

[@defcon201]

We would totally visit a theme park called Schlage Land.

[@celesyn]

down with shark week, up with schlage week

[@DeviantOllam]

indeed. finally news we can use, i hope! 👍

[@kevinbacon5142]

Thanks for the video and explanation of the differing keyways. Well done and demonstrated! I am excited about getting my SC20 Lishi, and just as curious to hear your thoughts on when the SC4 Lishi is better suited for the job than the SC20...because I will have both. You teased it, so now I have to keep watching. Man.... hahaha

[@andy123law]

Good explanation 👍🏻

[@DeviantOllam]

Glad you liked it :-)

[@TachyonBlue]

Can we talk about how awesome that title card is? I need a shirt with "Schlage Week" on it now.

[@DeviantOllam]

heh, i'll put the files on my GitHub for anyone to use, if you like. ;-)

[@TachyonBlue]

@@DeviantOllam You are a gentleman and a scholar, sir. I look forward to the rest of Schlage Week and whatever other clever things you come up with!

[@KylejvT]

I'm sure this series is gonna be a "Hit" ;)

[@Masamonae]

This is very exciting! Thank you for the clarity! I was wondering if this was a sort of top tier pick when I saw it on your site last week. Guess I know what I’m getting next time I order!

[@RookieLock]

Great idea for a series Dev.. You should totally cover other brand's keyways Really looking forward to the rest of Schlage week, thanks buddy!

[@MarcHoekstra]

Very interesting! Online I mostly/only hear about US standards, but how about EU standards? Feels like the most used profiles in EU, or The Netherlands in my case, are hundreds of different profiles. Still wondering which of those are overlapping each other. I hope you can tell us more about that too :) Keep up the good work!

[@DeviantOllam]

the EU region has far more paracentric keyways which are a challenge to produce as Lishi 2-in-1 tools, I would think.

[@Nite0wl]

In Europe, from what I have seen, variations on the Yale E1R (Yale "8" or Y1/Y2 profile) seems to be the equivalent of the Schlage C in terms of ubiquity, but someone based in Europe would have a much better idea of what keyways are dominant in your area.

[@DutchTales]

In my non-professional experience, there aren't many keyways here in the EU that overlap, although it does happen. As suppose to the US where Kwikset and Schlage mostly take the lead, we use a lot of different keyways and lock companies. But some company's do have systems like Schlage with overlapping keyways for mastered systems. A big name, mostly in commercial buildings is ASSA ABLOY who operates under a lot of different brands, but who definitely do has a system like this in some of its keyways. But due to the vast amount of company's and keyways here I don't think we will see many useful Lishi tools here in the EU.

[@curley6531]

hey never mind. i got on your website and you include plastic slip. i'm bad. thanks get my order in.👍👍👍

[@DeviantOllam]

you bet... one free with every tool from us

[@curtolocknkey]

I hope my brain lasts until the end of the week. Great video, great information. Thanks for sharing…

[@DeviantOllam]

hang in there with us! =)

[@doorandlocktips]

Nice job buddy keep up the good work

[@user-bv8dc3xj7n]

If you wrote a book on demystifying lock keyways, what that means, and how to attack them, I would buy it. Women in Tech is next on my list, but I would get to it.

[@DrewryPope]

I love your videos, around 5:13 , it would be a great time in post to highlight each key white while you mention it instead of leaving all 4 grey, still great content love it as always ya'll are great

[@pauladen7700]

Thank you!!

[@tipenengapuhi]

Really interesting thanks

[@walkingcontradiction223]

*Yawn* Waaay to early! Thanks for the vod though, I gotta make some coffee... Outstanding video as always.

[@DeviantOllam]

thank you! i was up very early this morning and am starting my day on super East Coast Time (or maybe i'm on Ireland time, it almost feels like!)

[@walkingcontradiction223]

@@DeviantOllam Okay, got coffee.. So you're saying my F-150 King Ranch with a couple snatch blocks = Lishi SC 20? Probably take me quite a bit longer to set it up, but I'd get the door open... Guess the pick wins, damn. Imagine it gets more miles to the gallon too, hmmm. Have a good one, I gotta shower and get my day going.

[@DeviantOllam]

@@walkingcontradiction223 hah, yes, I'm saying exactly that 😉👍

[@butterfliesinspace]

Awesome video

[@m4a41]

Bakelite background, very cool

[@yusufsheikh1]

Hi there, can you please make a video on how to pick Euro Cylinder locks using a Lishi Tool? I dont know which tool to purchase for Euro Cylinder locks. Thank you very much :).

[@jamesf7602]

Park High school in Racine wi..uses the G keyway.

[@DigitalArchmage]

Does your spacer work on the SC20 Lishi?

[@DeviantOllam]

yes, definitely does. good question!

[@DigitalArchmage]

@@DeviantOllam I guess that makes it the only SC lishi you'd need then. Are they perhaps more fragile (not a workhorse)?

[@kevinkinsella7815]

Nice

[@FriedPi-mc5yt]

Very interesting.

[@en2oh]

If I recall correctly ... a bit of filing can make any? of these blanks into an "L" key. of course, filing a brass key to an "L" keyway resulted in a pretty weak key! I thought that buying "L" blanks was restricted. Is this the same for the SC20? (I should say from the outset that you're a wealth of knowledge with a very engaging teaching style. )

[@bendustin7609]

No one will stop me from studying in my favorite rooms from now on…

[@shorty430551]

This video came out literally two days late for me. I ordered an SC4 from Red Team on Sat. I could not for the life of me find out which one I wanted and I swear that hierarchy pic wasn't there then. I knew that the most common one I run into is SC1, so I got the SC4. (SMH)

[@DeviantOllam]

as i'll show tomorrow, the SC4 is still a great tool for many folk in lots of situations.

[@VaatiAstora]

So with this hierarchy of keys, is the lishi m1/ms2 the master key for all master locks? New to lock picking and want to make sure I buy the right tool.

[@bobbyhero123]

Is there a Kwikset as well? I'm still a bit new to all of this so my terminology is a bit lacking here, but does KwikSet have something similar to the L key that Lishi has made a similar tool for?

[@tequilacollins]

Thank you for this. Is this your first video without a drink next to you, or just the first one I've noticed?

[@TheFriskyComiskey]

Comment for KZbin algorithm. Love your shit.

[@mentatrs232]

Are you going to cover the Primus keys?

[@DeviantOllam]

maybe another time. the first generation of Primus all based directly on the classic obverse keyways and built from there. The names are even related: SP-C, SP-E, SP-H, etc.

[@DrewToma]

My office building has a G on the exterior doors. It's from the 70s.

[@maxmyzer9172]

What about "custom" keyways? I know a place that has a mastered keyway system (a master key fits in them all but normal keys do not fir in every lock (i think)) that uses keys with a 2-letter id "Nx". Is it possible to reverse the master of the keyway like you can the bitting? I tried researching it and found more and more of those hierarchy charts, many of which showed 2 of the locks on each keyway but i dont remember why will the SC20 work in those?

[@DeviantOllam]

i would have to see more about the system to answer that

[@thelockpickinglebowski633]

So if you wanna have the ability to try bumping any Schlage, then make your bump keys out of SC19/SC20.

[@DeviantOllam]

in theory, yes! also, cool to see you here, as always!

[@thelockpickinglebowski633]

@@DeviantOllam Looking forward to more Schlagey goodness.

[@wardogdauwdd3020]

I might be blind but do you have a video on what leshi tools go to what group of locks because i want to get some of theses tools but i dont want to buy 50 of the leshi tools when i might only need like 5 of them to get into every lock

[@glock2101]

So would you ever want the SC20 with the spacer for 5-pins and just buying that or would you still recommend each variant, SC1, SC4 etc..

[@nlb137]

Do they make locks in the 'supervisor' blanks (L/etc.) or are those *only* used for "master key" type stuff?

[@iggymac3473]

wow great info bro there go's my allowance

[@DeviantOllam]

happy to help, sorry about your allowance, man. 👍

[@iggymac3473]

@@DeviantOllam lol thanks

[@InsaneFirebat]

So.... why didn't Lishi start and finish with SC20 (and SC19) if it works for all of Schlage?

[@zachhendershot8565]

Im sure he will go into more in a later video, but he mentions its very thin. It probably has something to with perceived feedback while picking. In my experience the "L" always wobbles around in keyways. Using the lowest level keyway(also the thickest, meatiest) you end up with better control while tensioning(my theory at least) Also, there are engineering/manufacturing constraints as well. Im sure there are best/keymark keyways that lishi will never make keys for, specifically because they are so thin, and odd shapes that make it impossible to manufacture a pick for. To put in perspective, on how rare these keyways are, is difficult. If you live in New construction area, you'll almost never find them. If you live in a district that was built from thr 70s- 80s, you'll see these keyways, but after, not so much. If you're from the east coast, with older buildings, I can imagine these might still be in use, but they're coming up on thr end of their life cycle.

[@DeviantOllam]

Zach is pretty much on the money. These door locks were never the backbone of the Lishi 2-in-1 product line. They still aren't. They're a fun side product endeavor, but every new development of a tool takes time and effort. And the "C" keyway and key profile being a bit wider (and LOADS more ubiquitous in the market) made that the logical choice for a first attempt. I believe the SC20 only came about because James Chen (of Original Lishi) was fielding requests from folk for a narrower tool and the factory worked on developing it. My prediction is that we'll see a BEST tool in "FM" profile as opposed to just "A" profile at some point, too.

[@InsaneFirebat]

I see. Thanks for your time!

[@curley6531]

thank you so much for explaining the sc20. makes sense! would the six pin sc20 work in 5 pin, or is there a 5 pin? need a plastic thing? thanks dev😎

[@Nite0wl]

The SC20 Lishi pick will work in nearly all the Schlage Classic locks you will encounter, though for some (F series knobs and levers and B60 deadbolts primarily) you will need a plastic spacer because the cylinders are 5-pin length only and have closed backs or some other obstruction that prevents the tool from fully inserting. It is exceedingly rare to encounter a cylinder in keyways other than C and E that are short enough to prevent the six pin tool from fully inserting. The 5-pin length tool would be the SC19 (SC19 being the IlcoEZ/Cole code for the 5-pin Schlage L blank) but I have yet to see one listed anywhere, so the easy and economical solution would be the SC20 tool with a plastic spacer.

[@ColinRichardson]

Just to note, the URL in the description > Lishi SC20 2-in-1 pick Takes you to a website to buy it, but the website has a URL to a KZbin Video... That video has been removed by User apparently.. Not sure if it's meant to link to THIS video or not?

[@DeviantOllam]

this is fixed now... thanks for pointing that out! 👍

[@ColinRichardson]

@@DeviantOllam All good.. You keep up the good work.. Someone will keep an eye on your back

[@--zero]

I wonder if with the thinner key profile to fit all the keyways, if the sc20 lishi tool is more fragile.

[@DeviantOllam]

we cover that in tomorrow's video =)

[@BigGoucho]

You mean to tell me no one thought to market this as The Hierar-key System?!

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

I missed this video introducing #SchlageWeek . This is going to be enjoyable. Thank you Dev :) I got a keyway you may have never come across, or maybe even heard of...USQP. Its most definitely not a common keyways anyhow. If you've got any interest, I'll gladly send you some cylinders in that keyway. Maybe you could give it away to some of your viewers like me who are Schlage nerds. I'll make sure to throw in a special version of the USQP keyway as well ;)

[@rage9715]

Yale week....any week now. 🤣

[@SamSung-vs8dy]

Any idea if this (or another tool) will work with the schlage B keyway (35-310 B 7 pin)? Thanks.

[@jasonbaker541]

I love what you do and how you do it! How do I confirm that I am already on the mailing list? Thanks!♥

[@DeviantOllam]

i could try to check the archives for you... but in general if you signed up, you're all set

[@jasonbaker541]

@@DeviantOllam Awesome and thanks! No need to check, I was just wondering if there is a way systemically to confirm registration. I think I have done it about 3 times so I'm pretty confident! Thanks!

[@keith68]

Is there a place where I can get the spacer so I can use the 6 pin pick in a 5 pin lock that you were talking about?

[@DeviantOllam]

redteamtools.com has you covered... redteamtools.com/lishi-sc4-standoff-spacers-pack-of-5

[@Saman553]

Is there a Lishi tool for Assa d12 keyways?

[@oplapman56]

How often do you get the Lishi Standoff Spacers back in stock?s

[@terrance-bd6xg]

Will the sc20 fit the Sargent s22 LA keyway?

[@shadyslim1276]

how do you know if it's 6 pin lock or 5 pin lock on the field? And how do you know whether it's schlage or not? is there any way to distinguish these?

[@DeviantOllam]

well, the images of the keyways are the best way to tell if something is a Schlage lock. you look at the front face of the lock and see if it's one of the Schlage keyways. as for 5-pin or 6-pin, that is something you determine by reaching inside, with this tool or with a conventional pick tool.