Making the strongest Manganese Bronze. Casting Manganese Bronze ingots

Today I'm going to make Manganese Bronze. This bronze is one of the strongest and most wear resistant alloys. In addition to its excellent mechanical properties, manganese bronze is also corrosion resistant. To make this bronze I need to melt metals with very high melting point. These are iron and manganese.
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[@MegaBoilermaker]

My Father ( a Boilermaker) had a full set of Non Pyrophoric tools (hammers/chisels etc) made from Manganese and Aluminium Bronze for work on Combustible or Explosive Plant.

[@DuralMetalurg]

Yes. That's very useful alloy!

[@pixelpatter01]

I've seen similar tools made with a Copper/ Beryllium bronze. Be very careful using anything with Beryllium in it.

[@Stormcloakvictory]

​@@pixelpatter01 well yeah for melting it's pretty darn dangerous. But just use of the tool is perfectly fine. It's skin safe (it's actually even ingestion safe) Filing it is also completely fine. Polishing or anything with high-speed/power tool is dangerous. It's all about fine airborne particles of beryllium. (Ie filings are way too large and heavy to become airborne)

[@MushVPeets]

...Odd, this seems to be the only video on KZbin about this stuff, except for some ads for specialty parts. You'd think that with all the videos of bronze casting and messing about with alloys, people would be trying their hand at this ridiculously strong bronze material, but apparently not.

[@DuralMetalurg]

No, actually that wasn't my plan :) I watch many things on KZbin but it doesn't mean that I want to do that by myself. It was just more fun for me to share with others. On KZbin there are many genius and dumb videos. In my opinion, mine is extremely far from great videos, but a little bit better than the worst :) I should also mention that some people ask me about very specific bronzes and they actually do casting. No one needs to have a youtube channel to do cool things. Most people don't ;)

[@bigstackD]

Damn Yevgen that’s interesting. I always stress well the molten metal bubbles splatters and smokes like that 😳. Awesome colour they are . 👍🏻

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks Dion 🙂 Yes, I hate zinc as well but I wanted to make it as close to this type of bronze grade as possible. Anyway I think that most of zinc burnt out 😀 P.S. Yesterday I saw you video where you melted your extensional cords. I'm afraid that the next step is pressure metals which you can find on motherboards of your PC, Laptops and TV 😎😉

[@genericalfishtycoon3853]

The forge devil from down under! Nice to see familiar folk out in the comments.

[@bigstackD]

Generical FishTycoon indeed 👊🏻😁

[@genericalfishtycoon3853]

@@bigstackD How did the wife like her new easy-bake microwave? Hahaha 👌👍 That was a nice touch m8. Rock on!

[@Stormcloakvictory]

Good stuff, I've been wanting to make a hatchet out of a copper alloy/bronze. I'd like beryllium copper but I wouldn't wanna be melting beryllium at home ☠️ I've read that Beryllium copper has a Rockwell C hardness of 40 even 45 sometimes depending on the beryllium content, and a higher tensile resilience than alu bronze. But beryllium has some potential health issues if handled poorly. And I don't wanna wear gloves and a mask every time I'd have to strop my edge. There's appearently some hope for titanium copper. Supposedly as good as Beryllium copper but totally safe. But titanium is expensive :(

[@JoachimVampire]

stop showing me those super ultra cool things youtube. i don't have the money nor the time for such an amazing hobby!

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks. Oh it's very cheap. In some cases it can be almost free ;) Time and place where to do casting may be a problem. I'm sure you'll have everything you need for this hobby. Good luck!

[@ryancollins9735]

This is how I go into it 😂, the set up is very expensive but I was to far in to it before I realised 😅

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@ryancollins9735 Ehhhh... It can be cheap or expensive. There're a lot of options. If someone need to make it cheap and simple it's pretty easy if a person doesn't want to spend a lot of time on preparation there are more expensive solutions

[@ryancollins9735]

I agree with you mate, I got a new furnace but I could have built one very cheaply if I wanted to but was not confident to do so, now knowing what I do now it’s not hard to do

[@cyberdyneindustries2372]

C86300 is an impressive alloy indeed.

[@DuralMetalurg]

Cyberdyne Industries Yes, I like it as well :)

[@matthewdylla6090]

Not sure if anyone has asked this but how reasonable albeit expensive would this be for making a knife for daily carry? Thinking something between 4-7" and fixed blade, thanks if you get around to answering.

[@DuralMetalurg]

It will work. The only thing is that steel has better characteristics

[@WXUZT]

Thank You for your effort and time ! Wish more experts like you post their knowledge and expertise....

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks for your kind words ;)

[@ryancollins9735]

Hi mate, love the video. I want to give this a go, how did you obtain the manganese

[@DuralMetalurg]

Hi. Well, in my case I just googled who sell it in Ukraine and found many who do. Actually, in my city there are manganese mines but of course they mine manganese ore, so it's not possible to use it right away :)

[@brucealthoff8533]

Manganese is used to cast Xings in the rail way industry. Manganese Xings after casting is then hardened with explosives making it impossible to Oxy cut

[@egzieryalewayele5997]

HI where did you get the manganese, is it in ferro manganese form or is it in manganese ore form, do you know the percentile composition of the manganese you have added ?

[@DuralMetalurg]

Hi. Yes. It was pure metal manganese, not ore. I bought it from some online shop. We have local manganese mines and the facility where it's purified but it's better to buy metal manganese.

[@MuFu23]

Would forging this bronze be possible..? I've been looking to get into metallurgy, and wound up here after researching different types of hard/strong/resistant bronze. I'll probably start with something easier, but I'm still curious.

[@DuralMetalurg]

I know that forging process is different from steel but never tried that

[@Stormcloakvictory]

I believe you can, just doesn't have any advantage over simply just casting it into shape. If I remember correctly there's a channel where they forged an aluminium bronze hammer.

[@luckychauhan3753]

Sir es me blow hole rokne koi idea hai

[@cyanuranus6456]

Oh. Is it Stronger Than My Favorite Metal? Titanium

[@DuralMetalurg]

No. I don't think so but this is one of the strongest bronzes. May be this video will be interesting for you. Here I've made a comparison of different metals and alloys: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ6kaZuCmNV_aZo

[@lundgrenbronzestudios]

What temperature did you have to bring that to?

[@DuralMetalurg]

About 1200-1300 C

[@danil19830624]

Интересный металл получился!

[@DuralMetalurg]

Так. Дуже якісний та міцний сплав.

[@alanlaxton2084]

Did you add zinc? What does it do, is it important and what percentage of zinc did you add to the alloy

[@DuralMetalurg]

Hi. Yes, I added Zinc. It's all in my video. It was 25%. It was in the formula of this bronze, so I used it. I believe in my case a huge part of it just burned out.

[@alanlaxton2084]

@@DuralMetalurg thank so what is the whole recipe of the alloy again and include it's percentage of each one.

[@sephangelo4603]

I wonder if a primitive brick kiln can melt the ingredients together.

[@DuralMetalurg]

Yes it can. Do you mean my furnace or more simple one? My first furnace was actually made of bricks and it melted bronze effective enough: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqLFnXSIoKuNfs0 If you wonder how good is the quality of alloys you can check this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ6kaZuCmNV_aZo

[@timmer9lives]

It looks like it was too hot for the zinc. It just boiled out

[@DuralMetalurg]

Absolutely! Burnt out

[@genericalfishtycoon3853]

That zinc did NOT enjoy saying hello to Mr. Molten manganese. Lol looks like it came out nice though. Wonder how much of the zinc got vaporized.

[@DuralMetalurg]

You're right, it didn't. Zinc doesn't enjoy to say hello to almost any other molten metals I use. I don't know how much I've lost but I feel like a lot. It's melting point 907 C is very low

[@genericalfishtycoon3853]

@@DuralMetalurg I wonder if there is some way to get more of it to stay like with electrolysis or something, or maybe some high tech pressurized crucible? Not even sure if such a thing exists! Lol I remember when I was kid I'd melt pennies into a bucket water with my dad's torch for zinc shot, then when I had enough I made an ingot. Zinc was a lot cheaper and easier to come by vs. tin, and much safer than lead lol so zinc was my first cast. Good memories... Definitely like the recipe here though, came out nice. Looks like it would be a nice metal for minting coins.

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@genericalfishtycoon3853 Yeah... Now in many countries, I can even assume, in most countries coins are made of steel and plated with nickel or other metals. I melted lead when I was a kid and yeah it's toxic but the danger if it gets inside human body. When you just melt it before boiling point no danger at all. I read about zinc that even if you breath it you can feel like metal fever but there is no long lasting effect. I'm sure there is a way to leave more zinc inside. I didn't try to find this information but there should be some way to do that. This is my video about melting coins in case you want to refresh the process: studio.kzbin.infov3xlzcKA3ao/edit/basic These coins are made of 60% copper, 20% nickel and 20 zinc

[@genericalfishtycoon3853]

@@DuralMetalurg Oh cool, I see you got a bunch of neat videos to check out, subbed!

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@genericalfishtycoon3853 Thank you. I was really inspired doing that. May be not a science and not entertainment but I did some things other people did not.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

How hot do you need to get the iron (steel) to melt? Does the manganese and / or copper drop the melting point or is it still around 1,370 c / 2,500 f?

[@DuralMetalurg]

To melt even small weight of iron and manganese you need to increase temperature. In this case temperature should be close to 1500 C. That's approximately of course. I didn't have any measuring tools but it took much longer than usually ;)

[@egzieryalewayele5997]

thanks for this amazing informative video were did you find the zinc ? or what materials from waste yard I can use for zinc ?

[@DuralMetalurg]

You`re welcome. I used some stuff I had from the past. I don't think that nowadays a lot of things are made of zinc

[@egzieryalewayele5997]

can I use this bronze as bushing for mechanical power press machine for crankshaft and connection rod sleeve ?

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@egzieryalewayele5997 Sorry. Unfortunately I don't have an answer for that :)

[@MegaBoilermaker]

Zinc does not melt in the accepted sense, it boils and evaporates.

[@darkshadowsx5949]

@Johann hes referring to it acting like dry ice. but in this case it does melt but also evaporates rapidly at the same time.

[@lelearmi6186]

great video. pure zinc ?

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thank you. It should be pure. I'm not sure that it's 99.9999% but for my purpose such quality is not required

[@asifalam25.]

Is this world's strongest gunmetal

[@DuralMetalurg]

Hi Asif. I think the strongest 2 that I made were manganese and aluminum bronzes. You can watch my comparison test over here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ6kaZuCmNV_aZo

[@Banidian]

Why add iron? Wont that increase corrosiveness?

[@DuralMetalurg]

Such a small quantity not at all. High quality stainless steel can have more than 70% of iron and it's steel stainless. I've made an alloy which exist. Chemical formula is not my idea. In my opinion, iron gives hardness and may be strength.

[@awldune]

Where do you get manganese? The material looks really nice, I wish you had polished it up a little more ;)

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks. Usually, I'm brushing and sanding to check how good is the quality of casting. When I'm gonna cast cool stuff believe me I'll polish it as good as I can. About manganese... I've bought it online in Ukraine. Actually, the town where I was born calls as this metal :) We have a lot of mines there where manganese ore is mining though ore is dirty so I had to buy pure metal. It's not expensive and you don't need to use a lot.

[@awldune]

@@DuralMetalurg Thanks, I was curious if pure Manganese could be found in some common household or industrial use. It is usually just a component of alloys, right?

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@awldune You're right. It's important component of carbon, stainless steel and other alloys. I'm sure it' not possible to find pure manganese around us.

[@chronofactor2037]

I don't know how helpful this would be 8 months late but alkaline batteries are an excellent source of manganese dioxide which (once purified) can be made into manganese metal.

[@ajmetalcasting791]

Make a phosphorus bronze.

[@DuralMetalurg]

How? Phosphorus melting point is 44C and boiling temperature is 280 C.

[@Helium._]

It’s really shiny like REALLY SHINY!!! BTW I’m First

[@DuralMetalurg]

Yes. You're right. Though what I like the most is hardness (also it should be wear resistant as well). The best bronze I've made so far. :) Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@Helium._]

Dural Metalurg your welcome :)

[@dilnawazmalik3618]

Tin metal rifaind

[@martin11844]

is it good for jewerly?

[@DuralMetalurg]

I don't know. I always thought that jewelry is usually made of precious metals. Is bronze good for that?

[@YoutubeCommenter1]

I know I am replying to a very old comment, but since jewelry-making often uses cold-forming methods, it's best to pick a more ductile brass alloy. Specifically, what is called "tombac". A simple one would be 85% copper and 15% zinc. There are different types depending on the color and properties you need

[@phil5506]

How much Zinc is burning away? 😅

[@DuralMetalurg]

I believe the majority :)

[@phil5506]

Have you tried to ad Zinc first? 😬

[@DuralMetalurg]

I didn't try that just because logically if I added it sooner then it will burn even faster. Zinc boiling temperature is lower than copper melting temperature.@@phil5506

[@marcangelotan8794]

Is it good for sword making?

[@DuralMetalurg]

I didn't have a chance to test it but I think it should work great for swords. Now I see only advantages :) The only disadvantage is that you need higher temperature to melt iron and manganese but the weigh of these metals is not really big, so it shouldn't be a big deal

[@albanusburr4041]

Is it good to make a head armor (medieval face helmet)?

[@DuralMetalurg]

It would definitely look very nice. The only thing is that I'm not sure how good is this alloy fit for forging. You can't cast such things as helmets. Usually they were made of steel and they were forged ;)

[@albanusburr4041]

@@DuralMetalurg thanks 👍

[@sephangelo4603]

I rather have a helmet made out of basalt fiber which is hard, dense and tough.

[@DuralMetalurg]

@Apostate of Doom For a helmet or something else? For any armour parts thickness should be minimal and casting doesn't allows that.

[@DuralMetalurg]

@Apostate of Doom I believe different technologies for different purposes. It doesn't make sense to use a plane when distance is short and bike will do the job ;)