The Hidden Crisis in the UK Economy

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[@willkinmont611]

Singapore companies have boards stuffed full of PhD engineers. In the UK, we glorify 2nd rate spiv salesmen.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

Ditto for UK's politicians. You don't have to show you've a track record of running a successful area or region. You just need to sleep with the right people.

[@athelstan927]

PC culture.. since Blair its complete cronyism! 16:08

[@uniteddreamer]

In the UK, all our PhD graduates are looking for jobs in investment banking or moving abroad where the opportunities in their field are. Our banking sector is a leech to any sustained growth.

[@steveunderwood3683]

Singapore also has a lightweight but effective regulatory environment. Lots of biotech is coming out of UK research, but it's almost impossible to get a business off the ground to exploit that research. Singapore is a prime destination for those researchers trying to start their own business.

[@jonboymk1bridgemaryfront889]

If you like Singapore? Go live there. Singapore is expensive place to live. No public services. No worker rights & NO human rights record. So do you homework before thinking we should be like Singapore. What do you think the TORYS tried to do to our economy in UK over last 15yrs+. Sunak tried it. But they found out VARY quickly that we the people rely on our well funded public services. And don't won't a ruffless Singapore model

[@thomaswhitehead5496]

So refreshing to hear this conversation. I'm not a financial expert but you can feel the slow rot in this country. As Andrew said, how was none of this a major topic during the election?!? We're slow walking into a deeper disaster.

[@Only-one-life-68]

Government debt,along with a high number of people no longer working in the Uk 🇬🇧,whether retirees or people on benefits

[@Quasime42]

No I think it has been corporate policy to asset strip the nation for much of the last 20 years, and the financial centre has been a major cheerleader.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

Immigrants hold up half UK's sky. 😂

[@ricclark8162]

it was something labour were saying and the tories did not want to engage because of their disastrous 14 years slow growth 2/3 of under new lab ) wage stagnation (longest for 200years) vastly lower investment than comparative countries (forgotten teh comparative figures but its a shocking differential ) , all the growth gone to a few 4 times the wealth for the richest 1000 people even people 3/4 of teh way up the income scale stagnant

[@VenturiLife]

Fast rot these days, it's end-stage if it's not addressed properly.

[@Rahul-oy4bp]

In the US engineers are in front running the companies, and in the UK, sales managers are trying to run the companies.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

You obviously haven't heard about Boeing. 😂😂😂

[@xavi239]

Or intel, Disney, tesla etc

[@ivermektin6874]

Pretty much, product managers, project managers, program managers, all paid higher than engineers, so nobody wants to be an engineer after 25. I work in a niche IP company right now and it's insane the lack of tech knowledge from the middle upwards as products endlessly fail and the company chases the current thing trending on linkedin each year, with the loss of entire departments as the company seeks to reduce costs from a lack of sales.

[@n0_h4ndl3]

​@@xavi239Umm... Tesla? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@xavi239]

@ yes he might be a engineer but he didn’t specialise in rocketing or cars. Most of his stuff was invented by people that he hired.

[@LA-fr7fx]

Fantastic podcast - the fact that politicians, seldom mention these topics, highlight's the state of the nation!

[@andrewn7340]

Why would I buy a smaller companies UK fund/trust? - 0.5% stamp duty on purchase. - 1-2% annual management fees - 40% tax on my 3% dividend yield = 1.2%/yr in additional tax drag - 20 years of under-performance vs the world - High exchange spreads - Dire UK productivity, with no relief in any projections - Taxes on UK businesses rising. Alternatively i can go buy a big global ETF with zero transaction and holding cost and only a 0.1% management fee and much higher tax efficiency via lower dividends. Not hard to see why UK stock investment is dead. And the chancellor has the sheer gall to go and tax share gains even further

[@Abdul_Rahman86]

I’ve been saying this for decades! We need major tax relief of 30-40% if we were to hold a uk based index fund for a minimum of 10 years. This mitigates the risk of low returns and underperformances!

[@johndinsdale1707]

I think the only way to address this is slowly and by leaning on the UK underweight. Do this by waiting for the small UK tigers to breach the ETF trading barrier. Some something like a 50/50 US/UK ETF index fund with low fees and tax wrappers (SIPP/ISA).

[@andrewn7340]

@@Abdul_Rahman86 Increasing CGT further but discounting gains wrt inflation, and scrapping stamp duty would go a long way to help. Napkin math suggests the government takes more off you after 20 years with the current 24% CGT rate than at a 40% rate where gains are indexed (assuming a 8% annual total return and 3% inflation). The indexed version is better as soon as you hold stocks for ~2 years or more Inheritence tax is the same. We're effectively taxing inflationary (imaginary) 'gains' on real assets (homes). A home today is still worth one home in 30 years, it's wages and labour that are losing value. Homes are not gaining value, you just have to look at inflation adjusted median home values over the last 15 years to see this

[@dtex_zero]

You're literally just typing out his point. His point is, we need to change as a country we're setup for only the super wealthy to be able to operate with all the regulation/taxes/etc.. and we should all be taking our economy more seriously and get educated on it then invest in it... His point isn't "invest in failure". or even worse Gary S options.

[@midlifecarsis6420]

Nobody smart would. There's not many worse places in the first world to do business than the UK but at least it's not been made worse by an employers NI hike or anything...

[@treyquattro]

I agree that it's an absolute national disgrace that the UK has been run for rentiers and not entrepreneurs. The political class has a huge responsibility for this, both Labour and Conservative, but mainly the latter because they're "supposed" to know better, but the last 14 years put the lie to that idea. And now the Tories are being led by the most incompetent business secretary of the past 5 decades! God help Britain.

[@KeldonA]

We've also lost: 1. DeepMind to Google. 2. RareWare (Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, Battle toads, Donkey Kong Country) to Microsoft. 3. DMA Design (Grand Theft Auto) to Rockstar. 4. SI Games (Football Manager) to Eidos and then SEGA.

[@dtex_zero]

I said this the other day, most people couldn't name 10 tech startups in the UK... People are wondering why we're poorer, and think it's the 'super riches' fault. No it's our government anti-business policies and regualtion that has destroyed it. We don't create anything, we're just running a ponzi scheme on people.

[@dtex_zero]

Don't it gets me so angry... people blame the 'super rich' and it's not even their fault. Our governement has made it almost impossible to operate with the regulation and taxes... espiecally if you're small and trying to grow. We lose all our skilled workers, we lose the good tech companies... we've been running some ponzi scheme instead with ever increasing numbers to make up for it. Yet some guy that owns assets is considered the problem, blame your government not them.

[@Han-Tyumi9]

ARM Holdings: world-class semiconductor company based in Cambridge, yet now owned by Japanese Softbank. A national scandal. I hold some UK stocks, but 75% of my portfolio is in the US. Brexit was the final straw for me. Your man's bang on: we can't be honest with ourselves (or even be bothered to put the effort into having the awareness) that there's a serious problem with our economy and the knock-on consequences that has for our society.

[@vlarhellar]

Not just ARM Holdings, but also ASDA, Boots, Cadburys, The AA, LV Insurance, P&O, etc. They were, for the most part, profitable, but the pensions and large corporate holdings wanted a quick buck rather than long term income for pensions. Successive governments of all leanings have failed to protect British brands, and jobs, from corporate raiders.

[@annettechinnery1714]

our politicians are not economists , they have not had real jobs or run a business! WEF and WHO have them in total control, they have systematically destroyed the Western economies on purpose…. The Trudgen Horse is in out Government.

[@Abdul_Rahman86]

The government needs to incentivise us to invest into UK equities. Tax relief of 35% if we agree to hold uk equities for a minimum of 10 years in a SIPP

[@mattwright2964]

Exactly right, we are hollowing out our own society and wondering why we are in a mess. All the structural stats ( the real dashboard in front of us as we drive the economy along) are screaming poor performance for decades - lousy growth, poor r&d, poor productivity, poor infrastructure, lack of investment, low nos of robots/automation, poor translation of science to spin-outs, poor domestic high growth med co's, weak innovation management skills etc etc etc. And then our politicians wonder why there is a problem!!! It's never discussed in elections despite it all staring us full on in the face.

[@sfgoddard]

ARM Holdings are no longer owned by Softbank and is publically quoted not on the London SE but on New York Stock Exchange. You cannot invest in them through a UK Stocks & Shares ISA though, so more difficult to invest in as a UK citizen in high tech...

[@14Unow]

Uk pensions primarilly invest into Treasuries and that is why our oensions have not performed over last 10 plus years. Inaddtion, British schools don't even teach kids, teenagers in particular, how to manage your monthly income and running your own home financially. Shocking.

[@1599maybole]

I used to work for a software house startup in England. They listed on Wall Street. Before I left the company was taken over by an American company and they fired a large part of the staff

[@Deppel57]

Used to know some specialist options traders on the London Metals Exchange -they were destroyed when the yanks took over.

[@twogsds]

When we were trying to get investment for inventions that my husband had patented, Angel Investors wouldn’t consider looking at you unless in your business plan you could state who you would be selling your company to in 5 years, this is the reality of trying to get started in the U.K.

[@stevedazz]

Wow. Only a few minutes in and it’s great to hear this. Equity culture and LSE etc. Started with Blair Brown and tax treatment of dividends and impact on pension funds in 1990s. Remember my dad being proper angry about it (he worked in a retail bank). I didn’t understand at the time despite having a degree in economics…

[@vanster7331]

The Irish GDP per capita is not what it appears to be...... being a tax haven for Apple and Microsoft does not translate to a better life for the people.

[@davideyres955]

Spot on. There are 2 areas that have benefited in the last 30-40 years and that is entry level pay and CEO pay (and by extension the rest of the C suite). This has come from the middle level pay. I researched from the time when I started work with my pay rate and compared it to current minimum wage. Now entry level pay is 5x what mine was in 88 but mid level pay has only risen 2.7x. CEO wages are off the chart ridicules. Now you have CEOs paid millions but they do not produce 50 to 60x profit per person than their mid level staff do. From first principles you only spend money in a business when it either reduces cost or makes money. So the claim CEOs need that remuneration is false because they don’t create the additional income it savings themselves. The cult of the CEO needs ending and start paying them sensible salaries and paying that saved money into the business and the mid level. Won’t happen but it should.

[@caracal9458]

average Irish salary is higher than UK average so seems to be going ok

[@weeeeehhhhh]

Over 300k people employed in MNCs in Ireland, over 10% of the entire workforce These multinationals are far more than just a PO Box for tax purposes.

[@wallace-bv4rl]

I heard the Irish finance minister discuss what they were spending on and what money was being kept back for a rainy day. Sounds like better v UK where spending gets cut and deficits run up.

[@ironmantooltime]

The point is the GDP per head figure for Ireland needs to be adjusted. It's ridiculous the author doesn't know this.

[@davehitchman5171]

I wanted to start a business in the UK, First of course the banks merely told me that I couldnt make anything in the UK, no one does. Then tried to use an investor "angel" and all they did was run us around for 18 months adding management overhead. The amount of money available as start up funding is near zero, the interest rates are sky high, the timescales to pay it back tiny. Then go to Germany, and well, you can borrow, the government will give you money to start, will pay you to live while you get started... no, you cant start anything here any more. The country is totally fucked by those in charge

[@MRW515]

BBC used to be my channel of choice for information but it has been so dumbed down I cannot bear to watch it and BBC Radio 4 has also been dumbed down. Well done for arranging this interview.

[@adambennison3160]

BBC Radio 4 is a feminist mouthpiece, you're not going to get any sense talked on there.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

Dumb and liar.

[@clarksonbarry]

Agree. TV is a begging box to keep you happy and the news is full of non news stories.... Sadly it starts at the bottom, We've dumbed down education........ and lost our patriotism

[@athelstan927]

Not dumbed down, they are hyper ideological! It's a propaganda outfit!

[@goober-ll1wx]

Legacy media is dead...

[@Sawasdeekat]

Great interview, this should be forwarded to every UK politician on any side.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

They won't comprehend it.

[@jackkruese4258]

And you’d just get…. “Interesting we ll definitely look into it some time”

[@SkintLivingUK]

I used to be a supply teacher but I no longer do it as agencies are still paying the 2008 rate so its not worth doing anymore. They have slightly raised teaching assistant rate to match minimum wage but the teaching rate is stagnant. I told my last agency to buy a calendar. In the media they talk about mainstream teachers not being paid enough but there's total silence on the rates of pay for agency work, not just teachers. I often get enquiry emails offering me work but I just block them now. All that work as a teacher and all that investment in qualifications is not worth a penny. 2 of my 3 kids have a degree but I have told my last one to not bother as it is now a total rip off - especially with the prices going up - and a waste of time as many employers aren't bothered about it anymore. I'm 57 and still paying student loans, its all a sick joke on people!!!

[@Zerpentsa6598]

They won't even pay for your CRB checks.

[@GETJUSTICE4U]

15:01 Almost $1trillion in profits is syphoned out of the UK to foriegn companies mainly Wall Street every year increasing year after year. This is about 30% of the UK GDP.

[@TheLittleEconomist]

He didn’t talk about private equity. Most smaller tech firms in the UK are owned by private equity firms, basically off market and not accessible to the average joe. Not sure how much pension funds are invested in private equity.

[@saltymonke3682]

Most of UK pensions aren't big enough to invest in PE

[@oliverdesvaux]

Yeah - I worked for Jewson the builders merchants and they got taken over by private equity - the same lot that gutted and then sunk Debenhams. They then cut cut cut and god knows what’s left

[@Phucket24]

This podcast just gets better and better

[@andrewharris3900]

Our country doesn't even allow the prenatal polygenic screening of embryos during IVF treatment. Britain will miss the Bio-Tech revolution, just like it missed the Tech revolution. Guaranteed.

[@saltymonke3682]

Yeah, poor regulations made by stpd politicians

[@Zerpentsa6598]

When it takes weeks for the scan results of a cancer patient to be given to his doctors, you know it's hopeless. Of course, he could have gone private and got his scan within hours. Just like in NHS dental "care". Anyway, he died before he got his results.

[@chriscoomber9140]

Thank you as always guy's for another brilliant podcast. I subscribe to around 10 financial educational channels such as yourselves, and I've seen Andrew Craig on a few of them, and course on his own channel. This guy is an extremely important man, someone whom I believe to be a true trailblazer. Andrew Craig, and people like him, NEED to give every tool possible to try and fix some many of our country's financial problems.

[@toku_gawa]

Guys, guys, guys, we have an "economist" as chancellor of the Exchequer 😂

[@PaulJones-go8wr]

Fantastic interview, the most honest assessment I believe I've heard in years. I will be heading out to buy the book as soon as I can.

[@clarksonbarry]

The reason most people are not interested in investing is that they haven't got the money or time and governments are generally quite happy to keep us like mushrooms in the dark fed on rubbish. Gambling is also more attractive. Education, education, education

[@stevenwhitehead4015]

Investing for the average Joe is essentially gambling as no average Joe has the capability to perform due diligence in a rigged market. Yes, markets are rigged.

[@InvestmentAdviceConsultantNI]

True no money

[@mingulay29]

Totally agree that nobody is interested in finance, even serious geopolitical experts have no clue about the elephant in the room. It is so refreshing to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about, not the media's economics editors.

[@hyperspace32]

Just look at how entrepreneurs get treated. Dyson created a company worth £20bn, forced out the UK because of taxation.

[@ggriffin325]

He also stupidly advocated for Brexit

[@saltymonke3682]

​@ggriffin325 do you want to pay CAP budget every year? If you think UK stock market is bad, you haven't take a look at EU stock markets. France is now poorer than uk

[@Zerpentsa6598]

​@@saltymonke3682France had Macron. He would have ruined any country.

[@uniteddreamer]

Dyson is another worthless exploiter of the British economy. Our corporation tax is literally the lowest of the G8. How these people have the gall to open their daft mouths is a feat in itself. And don't get me started on advocating Brexit before p*ssing off to Malaysia. Time to start stripping knighthoods

[@JK-nv4gu]

Dyson was a crafty guy and very disloyal to UK. Spouted Brexit to increase his market base whilst planting himself in Asia where he saw the future for his business.

[@shocka144]

It was only today I listened to my pension company saying how they were investing in other markets and reducing UK equity, mint

[@neilcook1652]

Ireland’s GDP doesn’t necessarily help the Irish as it’s mainly a tax fiddle

[@andrewharris3900]

Still helps the Irish. AstraZeneca wanted to build a new factory in the UK, they ended up building it in ROI because the UK Government tithe is far too high .

[@steffmay7969]

yep. Was surprised he went there, everyone knowledgable online knows Irelands GDP figure is a mess

[@runabath]

You can't mention fiddle and Ireland without mentioning pub 🍻 too

[@littlerollingwheels]

the irish are still poor despite their GDP

[@caracal9458]

@@littlerollingwheels average UK wage is £34k, average Irish wage £38k (45keuro) so incorrect in your comment.

[@joelmatthews3453]

Wow, such an interesting conversation, thank you for sharing. I work for a pharma company in Oxford and there's so much room for growth in areas like targeted therapeutics, and AI In Silico drug discovery. My cousin's brother in-law (tenuous connection I know) founded a company out of uni which genetically modifies rice crops to be cultivated in sea-water. They couldn't find any domestic investment but were able to secure seed investment in Canada and moved operations there, which is quite sad I guess. I can't speak for the wider investment landscape, but a huge problem I see is with UK biotech/pharma is that we produce an abundance of talented life science graduates who go on to become accountants because the jobs are not there and if they are they pay poverty wages for highly specialised people. Perhaps low wages make us a more competitive prospect for R&D hubs, but it also drives talent away to more lucrative sectors pushing paper all day.

[@trustthedogsheneverlies644]

If I was forced to invest in UK stocks via my pension to bolster these stock failings I'd close my pension.

[@hughiemg2]

If this happens it's definitely going to more stick than carrot... They could give extra tax relief or exemptions on CGT but they would never do that

[@Marenqo]

Rofl

[@Rockall57]

No you wouldn't IF it was tax positive..

[@leonhenry4861]

@@Rockall57ha ha

[@rofflecopterness]

I cofounded a biotech in London. Now in the £300m value range. The idea that we would list on LSE is something our board laughs at. Straight to USA. No faith in UK

[@iainmacadie1251]

Now we have Labour hitting UK businesses with £25Billion of NI tax.

[@saltymonke3682]

Vote reform uk

[@Zerpentsa6598]

​@@saltymonke3682Workers Party is better.

[@JohnFlynn-p3i]

I’m originally from Ireland. The revolving door of incompetent leaders there is mind blowing. Everyone there seems afraid to talk about the elephant in the room. Brexit. Not only has investment in growth of small UK companies dropped so has ease of access to all your neighbors.

[@hyperspace32]

The UK is underperforming for a number of reasons, and one of the biggest is excessive regulation, which wastes a lot of my time. Much of this bureaucracy comes from both central and local governments. They create policies without understanding the real-world impact on people, leaving it harder to get anything done. They need to repeal ever law introduce to back to the 1980s and then start again. A lawyer told me, that a lot of laws an regulation introduced after the Tony Blair's government. Laws drafted baldly, great for lawyers, who are the middleman earning huge hourly rate on advising clients. A recent experience with the Courts highlighted this for me. I spent 60 minutes on hold, unable to focus on other work because I needed to stay alert for when someone finally picked up. Bureaucracy has made it nearly impossible to speak to a real person anymore; everything is pushed online. That’s fine if your situation fits into the predefined boxes, but if it doesn’t, you’re left without options. If the government taxed bureaucracy, maybe we’d see less of it, and the country might actually be more productive. There are more people working from home now, but I’m not seeing any increase in output as a result.

[@wl660]

Nobody is buying UK Equity because of its performance. I wasted 10years invested in UK market, and have jumped ship to S&P500.

[@therangemen8627]

That’s why it’s under performed! Because investment has been directed elsewhere

[@wl660]

@@therangemen8627 It’s a lame duck. If you think it’s value, buy now while it’s low.

[@delgriffithification]

​@@wl660 You seem to have completely missed the point.

[@logwhitley]

​@@wl660only if you think there is a solution on it's way

[@pondeify]

@@therangemen8627 or could it be that british companies suck?

[@billykotsos4642]

I love Andy and his insight. I am reading his ‘Own the world’ book and I’m now following plain english finance. Love this guy

[@TonyTheNerd]

Great interview - I purchased Andrew Craig's book on audible whilst listening to this 📖

[@ritalally7018]

Interesting but the claims about Ireland GDP figures detract from credibility and I’m amazed went unchallenged. Irelands GDP is hugely inflated because of its corporate tax policy and even the Irish Government caution about this. The figure often quoted in ireland is GNI.

[@leonhenry4861]

Well said

[@saltymonke3682]

Yes, but even with a leprechaun economy, it's still good besides the housing crisis

[@ritalally7018]

@ it doesn’t have a ‘leprechaun’ economy; it actually has a pretty strong economy, my comment was about Ireland’s GDP data.

[@saltymonke3682]

@ritalally7018 it's a leprechaun economy, even the former Irish Central Bank governor said that.

[@polyphonics557]

If you want people to invest in stocks and shares (instead of Crypto for example) then the Gov should reduce CGT on Stocks and Shares and increase (not decrease) the tax free limit on income from dividends. Currently the Gov is expecting people to risk money on the stock market but take from the profits of that investment. The Gov is literally stamping out any growth and saying "we need more money" because they waste it doing stuff the people didn't ask for.

[@Tomm9y]

Whilst I agree with much of what Andrew Craig is saying, this needs to be seen in the context of rip off housing costs and inefficient government spending. New housing construction costs (materials & labour) are 25% to 33% of the sales price. Banks are lending to fund the mega profits of developers, landbankers, and financiers. Household debt has exploded to £1.85 trillion. Spending on housing costs are more than 50% of income for many people, whether on mortgages or rent. We need provide housing at cost build on land at agricultural prices. The gouging by the development industry, by landlords is simply shocking. Housing should be 10% to 12% of net income, housing is a need, we should be investing far more in pensions in UK companies, in medium term savings via ISAs. Many people don't have the spare cash to save, to invest. Then we have government spending. The inefficiency of government departments is staggering, not only for their own performance but also for the huge waste of time the public encounter when dealing with them. I believe this is down to the system of departments writing the legislation for Parliament to rubber stamp. We need to massively strip back legislation, radically reduce the overhead for government admin. The same applies to the NHS where medically headed people are expected to deliver efficient admin, with government bureaucracy thrown in. Meanwhile these people are getting paid far more than average levels of even excellent performers are in industry. It is no wonder the government has no money left over for maintenance of assets, for social care, for replacing assets, for investing in new technologies/assets. When huge amounts of capital accrue to the easy money of property development, land banking, financing, house rentals, there is no incentive for people to invest in growth companies. Then the government doesn't help by having very narrow rules over things such as EIS investments. I have seen excellent companies fail due to the restrictions on funding, where dilution is shocking, where the government does not help protect UK IP against the likes of Bayer. The stock market needs to support the growth of these small companies, but the November 2024 has even restricted investments in AIM. Instead numerous companies have been acquired by US corporations.

[@youngwt1]

Maybe one of the problems we have is that we don’t give employees equity as part of comp in the same way the Americans do? If employees have more of a stake it might encourage entrepreneurs ship at all levels of a company?

[@saltymonke3682]

Because your employee will have to pay more tax in stock option than in salary.

[@graemeshort1928]

Andrew Craig is passionate and a brilliant advercate for change I just hhope the UK is saveable ?

[@six7529]

No its long dead and not coming back

[@cathalduffy1618]

The Irish Government provide GNI figures instead of GDP . The reason is they are factual and not distorted. They still look better than anything in the UK.

[@globalismoblackman]

Faaaaaaacts 👍 😊

[@rufdymond]

I’ve been saying this very same thing for years and years - I’ve worked in the tech industry for over 30 years and certainly in the early to mid 90s worked for a few startups. I’ve know about this problem certainly from the perspective of the industry that I work in where some really good companies have struggled to raise investment. Two of the startups I worked for were bought in their entirety by US firms.

[@leonhenry4861]

Not sure why people can’t except that the Uk is an industrial dinosaur. No way the top old firms of the ftse will let the government fund tech firms to take over. Not going to happen whilst there are minerals in the ground.

[@burropoco]

I feel like I've just had a private screening to something really significant. Such an insightful episode. Thank you.

[@pondeify]

what? forced asset allocation? pick-up a history book and look at failed communist countries.

[@Thai.Farang]

Andrew Craig is easily my favourite of all your guests. Such interesting insights offered. Please continue to have him on every few months.

[@PDconsultancy]

Superb guest with valuable thought provoking insights.

[@sagenodes]

Great discussion this - we need more Andrew Craig type speaking and influencing

[@viviandevilliers1101]

“A mine is a hole in the ground with a liar standing next to it” Mark Twain

[@andrewhunt9078]

Something not mentioned is that the increases in house prices in the uk have encouraged buy to let investing rather than investing in the stock market. Also the investors that do invest in the uk have a property mindset with an obsession with dividend yield over growth and reinvestment.

[@ymwan]

BTL is much more aggressive in the USA. 30 year fixed rate mortgages and depreciation for accounting to zero in 25 years. 1034 exchange to deferred CGT. So by logic people would flock to the USA based on the greed for more profit

[@andrewhunt9078]

Most people in the uk cannot buy a house there, so the fixed rate mortgages and CGT rules are irrelevant to 95% of UK Persons. In contrast, in the uk they have a choice of equity or housing. In the UK house prices rises have exceeded the returns of the Ftse 100 since 2000, whereas in the US the S & p 500 has done better relative to the property market. This means that people looking back and seeing returns over the last 25 year period would not unreasonably be more likely to favour housing compared to the stock market in the uk than the us.

[@ymwan]

@@andrewhunt9078 it's very easy to make predictions with hind sight. Everyone knows what last week's lottery numbers were Diversity and plan B's are required when making and investment decision. Also, look at real house price adjusted for inflation in the UK. It poor returns. The magic is in the leverage and debt.

[@dlc2479]

Correct the UK is full of people chasing rent instead of actual productivity or value add...

[@londonspade5896]

@@andrewhunt9078 Everyone in the UK can easily buy into the S&P 500, I will never understand why someone would buy UK based stocks, they're under performers to put it lightly

[@stumpgrindingdirect]

I was just about to start up a company creating stump grinders and wood chippers, this government gave me the chills. All is now on hold.

[@matty506]

We're an unskilled country. Thats why our gdp per capita is down. We gave up training in favour of importing skilled workers instead and lost all the access routes for our own people to upskill.

[@tonivaripati5951]

skilled or unskilled most trades don't pay in the UK, better to buy , sell, and deal!

[@OneAndOnlyMe]

"lost all access routes for our own people to upskill" ? That's a poor excuse. Our schools and universities didn't disappear suddenly. We gained KZbin and online learning. We are skills poor because people can't be bothered to do self development.

[@AnonyMous-xv4ig]

We are losing skilled workers, who are choosing to go abroad instead for better opportunities because we are not able to provide them here. The imported workers are kind of plugging the gap that's left behind.

[@Tedmason897]

​@@AnonyMous-xv4ig Yes because two decades of mass migration has suppressed wages and investment in upskilling and productivity measures. This is purely the result of dependency, we have now made our own labor market less competitive and unwilling to pay the wages necessary to retain and attract highly skilled workers. The largest act of self-harm we've ever achieved.

[@matty506]

@@OneAndOnlyMe Employers don't want trainees and most people who attend uni don't use their degrees because the jobs have been filled by immigrants. You think you're gonna get a skilled job by saying you've watched loads of youtube videos?

[@banzai385]

Corporation tax in Ireland 12,5%. In England 25% ,I wonder why companies invest in Ireland .

[@YassineHattab-f4l]

Back in early 90 wages were like £15K a year average worker wages in 2024 are like £25K average when inflation went up 1000% in 30 years Wages stayed almost same

[@maxbig9021]

Between 1998 and 2007 I could easily find a job earning £12,000 to £15,000 a year, but now finding a job earning £20,000 outside London has become almost impossible.

[@alfredlear4141]

91.5% inflation since 1990. According to ONS.

[@ollie1317]

@@maxbig9021 minimum wage for 37.5hr week would be over £22k

[@uniteddreamer]

​@@alfredlear41411000% in the housing market though

[@andybywater7431]

Why do I have to pay stamp duty every time I buy a UK share but not when I buy foreign?

[@zaidahmed9527]

Just when I thought couldn’t be more depressed living in this country…😢

[@senholto419]

Get your Irish Citizenship and you can work anywhere in the European Union

[@SisterAbdullahX]

@@senholto419The EU is dying faster than the UK.

[@averagejoeinvestor8770]

Here after reading Andrew’s book how to own the world, great informative podcast

[@isatousarr7044]

The hidden crisis in the UK economy is a multifaceted issue that has been brewing for years, exacerbated by a series of events, including Brexit, the COVID-19 pandemic, global supply chain disruptions, and domestic political instability. While certain economic indicators may suggest recovery, beneath the surface, the UK faces significant, often unseen challenges that are likely to have long-term consequences. 1. Economic Stagnation and Growth Deceleration: The UK economy, once a major driver of global growth, has been grappling with stagnation and sluggish growth in recent years. While GDP may show some recovery, growth remains below pre-pandemic levels, and the country’s productivity growth has significantly lagged behind that of other developed nations. A key driver of this stagnation has been the loss of access to the European Union's single market and the imposition of new trade barriers post-Brexit, making it harder for businesses to thrive. The uncertainty surrounding the UK's future relationship with the EU, as well as the global trade environment, has created an atmosphere of instability, stalling economic momentum. 2. Labor Market Strain and Skill Shortages: One of the most pronounced hidden crises is the growing labor market strain. Post-Brexit immigration controls have reduced the influx of workers from the EU, particularly in sectors such as agriculture, healthcare, hospitality, and manufacturing, leading to severe labor shortages. The UK is struggling to fill key positions, exacerbating the pressure on businesses and reducing productivity. Additionally, there has been a notable rise in the “Great Resignation” phenomenon, where workers, especially those in lower-wage or less secure jobs, are choosing not to return to the labor market post-pandemic, creating a vacuum in essential services. 3. Inequality and Regional Disparities: The crisis is not just economic in terms of growth but also social. Economic inequalities have widened significantly, with wealth increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few, while many communities face stagnant wages, higher living costs, and reduced social mobility. There is a stark contrast between the prosperity of London and the South East and the increasing poverty levels in the North, Wales, and parts of rural England. These regional disparities are fueling social tensions and contributing to political fragmentation, particularly in the context of Brexit, where poorer regions felt left behind by the economic elites in Westminster. 4. Cost of Living Crisis: Inflation has risen, energy prices have soared, and the cost of essentials such as food and housing have become unaffordable for large segments of the population. The government's response to the pandemic, including high levels of government borrowing and fiscal intervention, has contributed to inflationary pressures. However, wage growth has not kept pace with rising living costs, pushing more people into poverty. This situation is made worse by an inefficient housing market, which limits access to affordable housing, further exacerbating social inequality. 5. Financial Services and Investment Deterioration: The UK's financial services sector, once its crown jewel, has suffered as a result of Brexit. Many firms have moved operations to the EU to retain market access, and financial services investment has been displaced. The loss of passporting rights (the ability of UK financial firms to operate freely across the EU) has also led to diminished prospects for growth in this vital sector. Moreover, with financial market volatility, public trust in financial institutions has eroded, affecting the investment landscape and long-term economic stability. 6. Public Services at Breaking Point: The healthcare and public services sectors are facing increasing pressure due to underfunding, staff shortages, and increasing demand. The NHS, already struggling before the pandemic, has been overwhelmed by the aftershocks of COVID-19. Treatment waiting times have skyrocketed, and staff burnout is at record levels. Similarly, education, social services, and transport systems are all suffering from chronic underinvestment, exacerbating social problems and creating a cycle of economic stagnation. 7. Debt Burden and Fiscal Strain: The UK has incurred vast levels of public debt due to pandemic-related spending, and while fiscal policies have aimed to stimulate recovery, the debt load remains unsustainable in the long term. The Bank of England’s monetary policies have kept interest rates low, but inflationary pressures and future fiscal constraints are putting a strain on government spending. If interest rates rise to combat inflation, the debt burden will increase significantly, leaving the UK vulnerable to financial instability. 8. Environmental and Climate Challenges: In addition to economic factors, the UK faces a hidden environmental crisis. The transition to a green economy, while essential, has been slow and difficult. There are concerns about the high costs associated with this transition, especially for industries and regions that depend on traditional energy sources like coal, oil, and gas. The rising threat of climate change-related natural disasters, along with a failure to invest adequately in sustainability, poses both economic and social risks. 9. Loss of Innovation and Research Funding: Another hidden crisis is the erosion of the UK’s research and innovation capacity. Leaving the European Union has meant that the UK is no longer part of the EU’s Horizon Europe program, which funds scientific research and collaboration. This loss of access to funding has hindered the UK’s ability to maintain its leadership in science and technology. The longer-term impact could be a reduction in the country’s competitiveness in high-tech industries such as biotech, AI, and green technologies. 10. Political Instability and Governance Issues: The UK is experiencing increasing political instability, further exacerbated by the aftermath of Brexit and the fractured relationship with the EU. Political polarization, rising populism, and the breakdown of trust in political institutions have led to ineffective governance. The lack of clear direction from political leaders has deepened uncertainty about the country’s future, leaving many businesses and individuals unsure about long-term plans. In summary, the hidden crisis in the UK economy is a confluence of deep-seated issues-economic stagnation, inequality, political instability, strained public services, and loss of global influence. These challenges are not only significant in their immediate impact but also have the potential to shape the UK’s future trajectory for decades to come. Addressing these hidden crises will require comprehensive reform, long-term investments, and, crucially, a shift in political will to ensure a more inclusive and sustainable recovery.

[@SimonDuddy]

Good points, would love to see Andrew Craig in conversation with Gary Stevenson.

[@OfficialDCJ]

*I'm glad you made this video* it reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, $34k monthly and a good daughter full of love..

[@JagudaJaguda-o8w]

Hello, I'm a Doctor from Scotland, how do you make such amount? I'm a born Christian but sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.

[@OfficialDCJ]

Making touch with financial advisors like *Janice Isaac Owen* who can assist you restructure your portfolio, would be a very creative option. Personal financial management will be crucial to navigating the next difficult times.

[@AnthonyGregory-u1q]

Unfortunately, not all of us were financially literate early. I was 35 when I finally educated myself and started taking steps. I went from $176,000 in debt with zero savings or retirement to now, 2 years later, fully debt-free and over $1000,000 net worth. I know that doesn't SOUND like a lot, but I'm incredibly proud of it. Now I'm fast-tracking my wealth building (investing $400,000 annually) and don't owe a dime to anyone. It's a good feeling!

[@AnnabellaTaylor-d6t]

You are absolutely right, we also have lot's of expert, real ones with certificate and firms IDS out there waiting for investors to invest and experience the best of trade.

[@BukyPounds]

*Send Janice a short note letting her know your intentions and interest in crypto or stock market trading*

[@tidysampler585]

It’s so refreshing to listen to another intelligent conversation regarding finances & shares etc. This one in particular has kept me glued all the way through. Perhaps I should diversify my portfolio..

[@ynwa5xinistanbul]

You cannot even buy ARM shares inside an ISA for some reason. I tried shortly after the IPO and you still cant.

[@lesdickson9765]

ARM is Nasdaq listed. UK S&S ISA only allow you to invest in UK listed stocks afaik. Willing to be corrected if what I said is false.

[@ynwa5xinistanbul]

@ how did i buy Tesla shares then?

[@lesdickson9765]

@@ynwa5xinistanbul idk, maybe through a brokerage app like Trading 212 or something

[@cybergornstartrooper2157]

Just because you can do a thing doesn’t mean that thing is scalable. Computers running on brain cells already exist, but scaling that to that technology being in your phone is a big leap and often never happens. I will agree we are really bad at turning all the wonderful discoveries coming out of our universities into manufactured products

[@gregm9447]

Interesting interview, but there are many reasons besides stock market investment that restrict U.K. growth compared to US. Look at VC funding, regulation, costs (energy, commercial property, business rates).

[@InvestmentAdviceConsultantNI]

Yes true Britain is anti business

[@samjames8628]

Night and day compared to the chap a few weeks ago peddling stock picking over index. Much more compelling as to why we need to refocus capital for the greater good as well as personal returns.

[@EffectiveEfficientImprove]

Mr Craig is excellent. In a perfect world he’d be called upon (with many others) by government to be an advisor on economics. He’s a good guy to boot 👍🏼🏆

[@tomstringer23]

What was said about the main drivers for why pensions moved more heavily towards bonds as default? Undertsand bonds and their place in portfolios but can't find why pension fund managers made the transition as he suggested

[@zzzzoijzzzzz]

I've heard that there was a regulatory change that caused the change towards bonds from shares, but I want to hear details of what happened, when and why.

[@lesdickson9765]

@@zzzzoijzzzzz I’m copying my old comment from a video by the FT called ‘how to reboot Britain’s capital markets’ which I recommend you watch. This is a bit of a long comment but there’s some nuance which I think is important. Our (London) stock market is what is widely perceived to be a dinosaur equity market that’s overly reliant on old economy sectors such as oil and banks which leads to my next point. On lack of exciting companies listing - we're risk-averse as a country, and the doesn't bode well for startups specialising in things like AI (the new hot topic) and quantum computing, whose large capital expenditures require years of patience. A key accelerant in the move of some listings to the US is a lack of liquidity in the UK, understandably so, if UK plc's can fetch higher valuations and a larger investor base whilst US listing rules aren’t extremely tight, why wouldn't they move? An example of this was Arm Holdings choosing Nasdaq over the LSE in 2023, this isn’t to say that breaking into the US will be easy, even though Arm have been successful in doing so. I remember reading a report on Bloomberg talking about how the UK VC's can keep up with Bay Area VC's in terms of funding for tech ventures. Funding for startups (companies valued at no more than $15m - 91% funded, $4.1bn for UK vs $4.5bn), but the moment UK companies reach scaleup status (valuations of $15m-100m), we raise $7.1bn vs $13.9bn for Bay Area which is 51%, and it gets even harder when tech companies in the UK reach breakout status (>$100m valuation) as we raise $7.8bn vs $35.2bn in the Bay Area which is 22% of funds raised in comparison to SF. Also, in the early 2000s, the UK government introduced new rules forcing retirement fund managers to be more open about their investments and about how they planned to meet future pension obligations. One result was a shift out of riskier equities - the pension industry’s preferred investment until that point - and into safer government bonds. The trend was reinforced over the following decade as millions of workers holding so-called defined-benefit pension plans retired. Pension managers doubled down on government debt at the expense of shares so they could better match their long-term liabilities to those retirees. What’s more, what little equity allocation the funds retained was put increasingly into stocks in other markets as they tried to diversify their holdings. UK pension funds held 1.6% of UK-listed stocks in 2022, down from about 32% in 1992, according to data from the Office for National Statistics. Edit: thanks to depressed valuations, London’s allure as a center for IPO activity has been diluted by a glut of alternative funding from private equity. That’s been compounded by some woeful stock performances in the wake of high-profile listings, including Deliveroo Plc, Dr Martens Plc and Ithaca Energy Plc. Meanwhile, headlines around companies leaving London for other exchanges have hurt the City’s image as a place to do IPOs. I've heard Shein want to IPO in London for around $64bn, but imo I don't think it'll revive London's capital markets the way people think it would, the company has controversial ethical + sustainability practices, as well as possible IP theft and moreover, they chose London as they couldn't file for an IPO because of hurdles to the listing in the US which is tied to the earlier point about their shady practices. We're basically 2nd choice if firms applications for US based IPO's (NYSE or Nasdaq) get rejected.

[@lesdickson9765]

@@zzzzoijzzzzz I've commented this before on the FT's video about fixing Britain's capital markets. It is a long comment but there’s some nuance which I think is important. Our (London) stock market is what is widely perceived to be a dinosaur equity market that’s overly reliant on old economy sectors such as oil and banks which leads to my next point. On lack of exciting companies listing - we're risk-averse as a country, and the doesn't bode well for startups specialising in things like AI (the new hot topic) and quantum computing, whose large capital expenditures require years of patience. A key accelerant in the move of some listings to the US is a lack of liquidity in the UK, understandably so, if UK plc's can fetch higher valuations and a larger investor base whilst US listing rules aren’t extremely tight, why wouldn't they move? An example of this was Arm Holdings choosing Nasdaq over the LSE in 2023, this isn’t to say that breaking into the US will be easy, even though Arm have been successful in doing so. I remember reading a report on Bloomberg talking about how the UK tech struggle to keep up with Bay Area/Silicon Valley tech in terms of funding. Funding for startups (companies valued at no more than $15m - 91% funded, $4.1bn for UK vs $4.5bn), but the moment UK companies reach scaleup status (valuations of $15m-100m), we raise $7.1bn vs $13.9bn for Bay Area which is 51%, and it gets even harder when tech companies in the UK reach breakout status (>$100m valuation) as we raise $7.8bn vs $35.2bn in the Bay Area which is 22% of funds raised in comparison to SV. Also, in the early 2000s, the UK government introduced new rules forcing retirement fund managers to be more open about their investments and about how they planned to meet future pension obligations. One result was a shift out of riskier equities - the pension industry’s preferred investment until that point - and into safer government bonds. The trend was reinforced over the following decade as millions of workers holding so-called defined-benefit pension plans retired. Pension managers doubled down on government debt at the expense of shares so they could better match their long-term liabilities to those retirees. What’s more, what little equity allocation the funds retained was put increasingly into stocks in other markets as they tried to diversify their holdings. UK pension funds held 1.6% of UK-listed stocks in 2022, down from about 32% in 1992, according to data from the Office for National Statistics. Edit: thanks to depressed valuations, London’s allure as a center for IPO activity has been diluted by a glut of alternative funding from private equity. That’s been compounded by some woeful stock performances in the wake of high-profile listings, including Deliveroo Plc, Dr Martens Plc and Ithaca Energy Plc. Meanwhile, headlines around companies leaving London for other exchanges have hurt the City’s image as a place to do IPOs. I've heard Shein want to IPO in London for around $64bn, but imo I don't think it'll revive London's capital markets the way people think it would, the company has controversial ethical + sustainability practices, as well as possible IP theft and moreover, they chose London as they couldn't file for an IPO because of hurdles to the listing in the US which is tied to the earlier point about their shady practices. We're basically 2nd choice if firms applications for US based IPO's (NYSE or Nasdaq) get rejected.

[@caparn100]

13:37 "A much better policy" is one way to put it. The reality is that Ireland has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in Europe and a relatively small population (around 5 million), making it an attractive location for large corporations to establish their headquarters. With the UK’s significantly larger population, it can’t compete on corporate tax in the same way.

[@saltymonke3682]

Don't have to be the same. Just lower it so people can grow and not feel punished by the tax.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

They have better fishing rivers as well. The island should be reunited.

[@caparn100]

@@saltymonke3682 That won't stop large corporations selecting the country with the lowest corporation tax.

[@uniteddreamer]

I know it was completely daft. Sounds like Truss modelling Britain on the Singapore economy. Where did that end ...

[@ldaugusto]

This is great. He's completely right about UK stock market and pensions schemes. Inside pensions and ISAs, as they have so many tax incentives is 100% fine some rules being set like 'at least 10% of your portfolio should be on UK stock'. Set a rule like for the next 10y we need collectively to increase the share in our portfolio on UK stocks by 2% a year. There's no solution for growth if local companies aren't funded. Bravo.

[@Sock1122]

Really great guest, and really engaging interview. Im only 10 minutes in but I can already tell this might be the best thing I watch all week

[@MakingMoneyPodcast]

Hope it lived up to your expectations!

[@anitahornbrook745]

Very depressing and I’ve got a feeling things are going to get worse

[@JeremyTaylorPianoProgress]

Labour should bring back that British ISA idea that the Tories floated - a tax-free way for people to invest in British stocks. That would be a good start, surely

[@davidmccabe4041]

In the 1980s i attended a 8 week course at a well known UK managment college. I was very disappointed at the business expertise of many of my 60 colleagues so I am not at all surprised at the steady downturn in the uk economy. Look at Ireland since 1960 when we published our first programme for economic expansion. David mccabe aged 86 retired chartered accountant and investment banker...educated in school near london.

[@Abdul_Rahman86]

I look forward to a “making money podcast” more eagerly than looking forward to my dad walking through the front door after he left to buy milk 15 years ago. Also you brought back the man himself Andrew Craig!!!!!! I could listen to this podcast for hours and hours!!!! Now I would recommend invest in UK banks. Especially banks that look after small businesses, Lloyds, NatWest, HSBC, etc

[@hachimaru295]

Titus Oates Polar VC I'm just going out I maybe sometime

[@MakingMoneyPodcast]

😂

[@hachimaru295]

@@scott8057 The way it reads Abdul's dad is Andrew Craig go figure !

[@Abdul_Rahman86]

@@hachimaru295😂😂😂😂😂

[@luciusdole3029]

When question about active, performance and fees asked around 32 mins in, it was ducked by talking about regulation

[@IAmebAdger]

I was looking at ex-UK index funds recently, and now that I've seen this episode I've changed my mind. Amazing work, guys.

[@thomasforsythdesign]

There’s on giant blind spot/elephant in the room here… really great conversation, but it’s missing that when governments/central banks expand the currency/money supply (print money), the purchasing power/savings of all companies/individuals within that currency is dramatically watered down (we experience this as rising prices/inflation). Those closest to or favourable to the money printer benefit disproportionately (often even being funnelled overseas). This is why so many companies and individuals are flocking to Bitcoin (not crypto); it is the big idea that allows everything else you’re talking about to occur and people increasingly want it to happen. It gives individuals their real voting power back, allowing them to play by the rules, innovate, pay their taxes and benefit from the deflationary effect of technology, by it protecting their hard earned work and savings over longer spans of time (also allowing for extra capital for investment in companies/causes they believe will bring about a better world). It takes around 100 hours to start to really understand Bitcoin, but once you’ve done the work, I suspect you’ll see how it may well be a sturdy foundation for the better world you so beautifully discuss. Thanks for your work. Warmest wishes, Thomas

[@jameshowell450]

Something is going to break soon and it's going a fascinating watch. Normies clueless.

[@ohnoitisnt]

The state of it all is getting hard to ignore

[@Zerpentsa6598]

The point is it's already broken. Decades ago.

[@alicelander9058]

The tax on dividends and capital gains has been partly to blame. They want our pensions to invest in UK, so they should lower the tax on divis and cgt if pensions are invested in uk stocks

[@MaxWolf-s9y]

I read The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain (whose real name was Samuel Langhorne Clemens) when I was eight, just like all my classmates in the USSR. I also understand what’s happening with the UK stock market. I know many things that no politician would ever tell you - things that directly impact the lives and well-being of people in the UK. When I moved here over 20 years ago, like many others, I naively believed that politicians and those at the top of government and business were intelligent people. However, I have come to realise that most of them couldn’t care less about the future of this country and its citizens. The UK has essentially become a vassal of the United States, not only politically but, to an even greater extent, economically. This country is being looted multiple times over in a single trade cycle! You’d probably think I was crazy if I explained here the sheer volume and the ways in which Britain’s wealth flows to the US, along with its brightest minds and latest technologies. The UK no longer deserves the “Great” in its name, and it might as well be renamed to something simple, like “Island” or “Island near Europe.”

[@EvoraGT430]

1 potato for you comrade.

[@MaxWolf-s9y]

@EvoraGT430 I bestow upon you a billion of my bitcoins as a token of gratitude. I’m ready to buy all the potatoes in capitalist countries with my bitcoins.

[@hyperspace32]

I have money in UK pension and they have underperformed or lost money. My pension company is making huge profits managing my pension, but my pension is not going up.

[@FelixWatts]

All these techno-utopians and old school economists fail to answer one question, how can infinite exponential economic growth be compatible with a healthy, finite planet?

[@VenturiLife]

Fascinating, a lot of real info here. Well done to Andrew Craig.

[@DrSilba]

Perfect understanding of the issues and great episode. Also need to understand that the UK has been steered towards a low pay, poor quality service economy (think care homes, NHS, Delivered takeaways etc) rather than high pay high innovation driven economy. I feel UK has become more old eastern block as it was 50 years ago. Labour could decide to create a whole raft of new innovative companies with the £40B they just took from the taxpayer which in turn could be floated once successful - energy storage, micro nuclear, AI etc etc. just like all the Nationalised companies of old that were eventually privatised under Thatcher.

[@george6977]

Attracting Islamic migrants with accommodation in luxury hotels, and give them priority for social housing. Labour gains voters as the we exponentially become an Islamic state.

[@227fly3]

another one... trying to blame poor....

[@zzzzoijzzzzz]

@@george6977 Labour have only be in charge for a few weeks. The Conservative party are to blame for idiotic immigration policies.

[@six7529]

​@@zzzzoijzzzzzAll began under last labour gov continued by tories

[@saltymonke3682]

LOL, nationalisation is what makes thr UK poorer in 1960s and 1970s stagflation. Lanour destroyed the UK auto industry, shipbuilding, and aviation industry. Not again

[@thanksihateit.353]

If anyone can point to any profit making small-cap UK stock with a reasonable PE, I'll buy it. I gave up with small caps because of constant reverse splits and dilution.

[@chrisjie2127]

It's not just the UK, it's the whole of Europe. There's a reason why America was always against western and eastern Europe (including Russia) uniting as an economic powerhouse. It's all about very macro competition between countries and trading blocs. America wins every time Europe's economy fails.

[@righteousmammon9011]

Europes not even on the radar dude. America and China are vying for dominance. Only Europeans still think they are relevant. The Chinese play you Europeans like a fiddle carving you up , buying your ports, dangling sweetheart deals to Spain and Italy to play you against each other. It’s always Europeans blaming America but we have nothing to do with it

[@selfrighteous88]

This comment reflects a view commonly seen in discussions about geopolitics and global economic competition, but it's an oversimplification that mixes some legitimate historical elements with a speculative narrative. Let's break it down. 1. **Historical Context of European Unity**: For much of the 20th century, the U.S. generally supported European unity, particularly Western European integration after World War II. Organizations like NATO and the Marshall Plan were U.S.-backed initiatives aimed at stabilizing and rebuilding Europe, largely to counterbalance Soviet influence during the Cold War. This stance was not about undermining Europe but rather about strengthening a stable, economically prosperous ally against Soviet influence. 2. **Concerns About a Powerful European Bloc**: It’s true that some U.S. policymakers have viewed the potential of a very strong and economically unified Europe as a competitor. The formation of the European Union and, later, the Eurozone did shift some global economic dynamics, and competition did increase between Europe and the U.S. in areas like trade, finance, and technology. However, the U.S. has generally preferred a prosperous Europe as an ally, considering it crucial for global stability and Western influence, especially in economic and security partnerships. 3. **Western and Eastern Europe, Including Russia**: The notion of an "economic powerhouse" that includes both Western Europe and Russia is complicated by political and economic factors. While Russia is geographically part of Europe, its political and economic alignment diverges significantly from the EU and NATO countries. Integration of Russia with the EU economically was generally limited, and relations became strained over issues like energy dependency, territorial disputes, and different governance values. Since Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, economic and political integration between Europe and Russia has largely broken down, with heavy sanctions and trade restrictions in place. 4. **U.S. and European Economic Success**: It is not accurate to say the U.S. "wins" whenever Europe’s economy struggles. The U.S. and Europe have highly interdependent economies; they are each other's largest trade and investment partners, and economic trouble in Europe can have negative impacts on the U.S. as well. Economic downturns in Europe often mean lower demand for U.S. exports and can trigger instability in global markets, affecting both regions. In fact, the U.S. has often supported measures to stabilize European economies, as seen during the Eurozone crisis and through support for European financial institutions. 5. **Macroeconomic Competition**: While the U.S. does have some strategic interests in maintaining its influence and economic dominance, it generally seeks this through collaboration with Europe, not by undermining it. The actual competition between the U.S. and Europe mostly takes place in trade negotiations, tech and finance sectors, and international regulatory standards, rather than through efforts to destabilize Europe. In summary, the statement captures some themes of U.S.-Europe competition but misses the broader context of interdependence and collaboration. It also misrepresents the stance on European unity and oversimplifies the relationship between economic outcomes in Europe and the U.S.

[@vaclavdockal6272]

Well said. Also we don't need US to not wanting to be too friendly with Russia. Our own past experiences with Russia are enough.

[@edc1569]

Not really sure im up for uniting with modern day Russia.

[@chrisjie2127]

@@edc1569 It's not about uniting with them. It's about exploiting their cheap energy, grain, fertiliser etc. People want to wage a moral crusade against them, whilst the USA is laughing at Europe who have to pay 2-3x the price of energy. So USA can quietly take all the competitive advantage on AI, manufacturing and petrochemical processing because of it.

[@rob-fb5xs]

Really enjoyed listening to this.

[@iain3245]

Brilliant episode. Biotechnology has been the future for decades, but the underpinning technological advances are staggering and I agree (disclaimer, as someone who works in the sector) that the UK is incredibly well placed given its R&D base. It is hard to predict the future especially as biotech and AI are now aligning. The US market (and the large market caps that make up the indices) is terrifyingly expensive, so personally (as both an optimist and contrarian) I do feel that investing in the UK gives great diversification, and if biotech achieves a fraction of its potential there will be benefits for investing in the UK (and its stock exchange too).

[@Zerpentsa6598]

R&D in the UK is mostly derivative today. There are some good medical research projects, but not many. Few years ago they made a lot of noise over graphene and even opened a graphene research unit. But little has come out.

[@Rockall57]

Biotechnology is not the only investment opportunity.. Robotic Autonomy such as Optimas.. Neuralink (which crosses both subjects)

[@zenastronomy]

17:13 not if you are a bank owner. for a bank bonds are where their money is

[@Amir-fn5xl]

There’s a difference between where a public company is listed and the markets in which it operates. Also we’ve had ultra low interest rates the last decade so British companies have had easy access to capital other than raising equity.

[@mattsennett]

Thought provoking stuff Damo. A great guest and the time flew by listening to what he said 👍🏻

[@Sprinklesofjoy]

Also mifid2 in 2018 which has totally crippled UK stock research, with a particular focus for small and mid-sized stocks

[@UniversalC0d3r]

Even the biggest football club in England in terms of net worth is listed in the NYSE and not on the London stock exchange

[@uniteddreamer]

It's owned by yanks

[@davidmccabe4041]

The uk govt could learn a lot from how ireland was transformed by publication of our First Programme for Economic Expansion in 1960 when i was a trainee chartered accountant. For example creative use of corporate taxation by adopting a 10% corporate tax rate for manufacturing which was then promoted around the world. The uk could adopt varying rates of corporate tax such as 10% in scotland and the north of england, 20% in yorkshire and the north, 30% in the midlands and 40% in london and the south. FOREIGN investment would transfer to the UK. David Mcabe aged 86 reired chartered accountant and investment banker....glad to hear the recommendation of Ireland.

[@Baxter91]

I love listening to Andrew Craig. Good to see him back on this.

[@PlainEnglishFinance]

Thanks so much!

[@davidmccabe4041]

Thank you for promoting CRH an Irish company one of our clients in the 1960s through to 1980s. David McCabe Dubliin director Investment Bank of Ireland

[@richardcove]

We need an exciting NASDAQ equivalent market for the uk, with special rules so that regulation cannot wreck it. This would at least allow our tech and intellectual property to be developed and thrive here.