Thank you for your gracious review. Yours may be the first one to pick up on the influences of other genres in the approach I took for Gardens of the Moon in particular. I was a reader of Ludlum, Clancy, King, Chesterton (The Man who was Thursday), Dumas, George MacDonald Fraser (Flashman), etc etc. And SF, of course. Along with all the more regular classics of the canon. All that being said, I had fun writing the novel and hopefully that peaks through every now and then. There's more than a few sly winks to the reader, I guess, especially the reader well-versed in fantasy tropes. For Deadhouse Gates, you can think Anabasis (Xenophon) along with the first Flashman novel (eponymously named) which recounts the British retreat from Kabul, and the Long March, the pursuit of the Gros Ventre, and so on. It never occurred to me that techniques and structures from outside the fantasy genre were verboten. Who knew? I'm looking forward to your comments on the rest of the books (and hoping you stick around for them!). Cheers, SE
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Speak of the devil... Howeya 😉 Thanks to you for the comment, that's just made my week. You've gotten me about as excited for a new set of books as I have been in a while. So appreciate that first and foremost. Love that you mention Ludlum, Clancy (is that why your books are so long? 😉) and King, all authors I grew up with too. I grew up with whatever was scattered around the many shelves in my childhood home. Many of them crime/political thrillers, classics or historical fiction. You've also given me some great ones to check out. I've actually never read Chesterton! Currently walking the Chain of Dogs. Cheers Steve!
@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy6 ай бұрын
Welcome to what could possibly become the greatest literary journey of your life.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Phenomenal 🍻 Cheers to you for being one of the biggest influences on me taking the plunge!
@dlasis6 ай бұрын
...100000000000% agree. This series changed me as a human and as a reader
@LadyKestrel236 ай бұрын
On my fourth read lol
@_yalk6 ай бұрын
You have un-intimidated me.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Yay! Mission accomplished
@veszeljko76456 ай бұрын
This might be the best spoiler free review of GOTM on the platform, you did it man, this was absolutely fantastic. You managed to put in words so many of my feelings and musings on this novel. Now you must walk the Chain of Dogs!!
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Hvala moj brat! Walking the Chain of Dogs as we speak
@believer7736 ай бұрын
Truest Malazan quite of 2024 so far 00:50 "it might be everything I want in fantasy" It doesn't always hit for every reader but when it does it hits you like a dragon.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
I felt that 🐉
@believer7736 ай бұрын
@@storytoob enjoy your journey, I'm a mega fan of the series with 4 full read-thrus and I personally think it is a masterpiece of Literature regardless of genre. And Erikson is 100% absolute in his trust in the reader to get what they're supposed to and there isn't a sentence in any of the main 10 books that dumbed down. For a certain reader that is thrilling, seems like you might be in that space. And his imagination will blast your soul into a Warren if wonder.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Hahah fantastic! Blast me into all the warrens please Stevie
@ladyfox67055 ай бұрын
I have also got Malazan on my enormous TBR. It sounds amazing. I've been searching for a great Fantasy series that I'll love as much as I love ASoIaF. To be the Dark Souls video games in a book - books that are going to really make me think, nut stuff out with the huge Lore, deep world-building, incredible characters I'll fall in love with/hate with a passion, and not hold my hand every second. I love G.R.R.M, Joe Abercrombie & Sapowski the most. Was going to try The Prince of Nothing by Scott Bakker, but reading many comments about the gratuitous sexual violence/weird sex really put me off. I hope that Malazan hits me like a dragon! XD 🐉
@SouravUldyssian6 ай бұрын
Loved your thoughts. You caught on a lot of things which many new readers struggle with, and that has to do with the structure. It takes time to adjust to this new structure of storytelling. I just want to hear your thoughts once you finish Deadhouse Gates.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Hey! Cheers Sourav! DHG well underway haha
@Tremain6 ай бұрын
You are in for an absolute treat, this series just continues to get better and better as it goes along.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Yay! Thanks for watching!
@ACriticalDragon6 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed listening to your points. Thanks for such a great video. I hope that you enjoy the rest of the novels as much.
@thatsci-firogue6 ай бұрын
Another benefit to reading Malazan, watching all that glorious spoiler filled content with you and Philip (the best Malazan duo imo!), and Erikson and Esslemont of course!
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Cheers AP! Thanks to you as well for all the enjoyable insights you bring, Malazan or otherwise. @thatsci-firogue I can go on unlocking all this goodness 😀
@sigurd91433 ай бұрын
You nailed it. Best First Time Reader review I've ever seen. Malazan is just so cool. Once it grabs you, there is no turning back.
@storytoob3 ай бұрын
I am chained. Thank you!
@booksandocha20 күн бұрын
Somehow, your review managed to put into words what I also felt when I read the Gardens of the Moon. For me, it felt like it propelled me forward straight into and through an epic world full of wonder, humour, distinct characters and lots of stuff to figure out as the story progresses. Its a great first book, indeed, and as a long-time fantasy reader, I was also pleased that while Erikson did not try to hold my hand, he also has a knack of slowly unveiling different aspects of the story at (what felt like) a perfect pace.
@storytoob19 күн бұрын
Couldn't agree more! Cheers!
@noneofyourbusiness32883 ай бұрын
3:30 THIS! I 100% agree. A lot of people recommend chapter-recaps and wikis and all kinds of outside material. And if you want to do that, that is fine, but I found myself enjoying the ride more by just going along with it, trusting that things will clear up later, or on a re-read. Following the main movements (?, it feels wrong to call it a "main plot") is something that you pick up quickly imo and if you miss some obscure reference here and there, who cares? That is just additional flavor for "new game plus".
@storytoob3 ай бұрын
Couldn't agree with you more!
@verosnotebook6 ай бұрын
Buckling of swashes 😂 Your enthusiasm is compelling. I have Gardens of the Moon on my TBR and shelf, and I shall read it, eventually. Time! Liveship Traders first.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Does it buckle swashes, or do the swashes buckle? Either way Vero, I think you might enjoy it. Enjoy Liveship!
@demidrek-heyward6 ай бұрын
yea!!!!
@BooksWithBenghisKahn6 ай бұрын
Loved this review-I feel like I really gained insight into the book and what it’s doing, and it’s getting me excited to reread it. Man I think you’re gonna love the rest of the series so much.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Super excited about em man!
@taXicity4 ай бұрын
I had similar reqction to the Gardens. You will love the whole series, guaranteed. It's a mileston in fantasy lit, this one here. Enjoy the ride.
@storytoob4 ай бұрын
Thanks! Can't wait for the rest of the books! Currently halfway through Memories of Ice
@sasapejcin35686 ай бұрын
One of the best spoiler free reviews of this book and now I'm so hyped to finally dive into this series!
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Oh thanks so much! Mission accomplished! Hvala ❤️
@Rogue_VI6 ай бұрын
DO IT!
@lukethomas2165 ай бұрын
Erikson regularly makes me laugh out loud. Out loud! I’m about to start book 7 and loved it all so far.
@storytoob5 ай бұрын
I hear Bonehunters is hilarious!
@moresoysauce54894 ай бұрын
Midnight tides is hilarious too 😂
@FranzBinder205 ай бұрын
I might be the only person but Gardens of the Moon is actually my favorite book out of all of them.
@storytoob5 ай бұрын
Haha cool! It was extremely fun! Just finished Deadhouse Gates and while I think it's a better book, I enjoyed certain aspects of GotM more
@jessew42166 ай бұрын
I was laughing here and there all through the first 4, but it wasnt til book 5 that I realized Erikson is actually hilarious and his humor is his greatest strength for me. He is usually quite restrained with it - it is largely a dour and serious series, so when he interjects with moments of levity it makes the jokes land harder then, and the tears flow harder later.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Fantastic! That's great to know!
@storky14564 ай бұрын
I just started my Malazan journey this month and ended up finishing Gardens about a week ago and I gotta say I couldn't agree more! I was super intimidated by the series and felt like I wasn't going to understand anything at all and went into the series almost over prepared if that makes sense and it turns out even myself (not the smartest reader) can follow what's happening and keep track of the general gist of what's happening and I had a great time doing it!
@storytoob4 ай бұрын
That's amazing to hear! Honestly I think just about anyone can read it... And especially those not drowning themselves in typical fantasy. It could potentially appeal to them more
@storky14564 ай бұрын
@@storytoob I think it would be a bit overwhelming for someone's first time reading some epic fantasy but I'd say if you've read some Sanderson or Martin, I think you'll be fine
@storytoob4 ай бұрын
I can think of several people I know who don't read fantasy but read other things like literary fiction or crime fiction that would love it!
@slidenaway6 ай бұрын
I’ve read all of MBotF (twice) and I can confidently say you nailed this book! Better than 99% of first time readers, including me. Idk if you’ve seen the DLC Bookclub videos for Malazan but I always tell them they’re the target audience for Malazan and I’m now expanding that to you - this is your series 😍 Regardless of most people not hyping this one up as much as you, I promise you it is in fact the worst in the series 😂 so prepare yourself!! You’ve begun an epic journey you’ll never forget. Can’t wait for you to finish walking the Chain of Dogs! Then you’ll truly be one of us 😁
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Hahaha thanks man! Really excited about these books, and so happy to see such a cool response from other readers on this video. Y'all are so nice 😂 Currently walking the Chain of Dogs as we speak! About 400 pages left (in my edition) of DHG. And yesss I've since heard of the podcast. Will definitely give that a watch. I feel like I've unlocked a load of KZbin content haha
@slidenaway6 ай бұрын
@@storytoob hell yeah!! So much content for you. I know you’ve mentioned AP and Philip, they’re definitely first and foremost. But then DLC bookclub, Iskar Jarak, Ruthan Badd, Quick Jen, Johanna, Claudia Ivanov, Jimmy Nutts, Allen (Library of Allenxandria)… obviously the list goes on 😂 enjoy!!
@ec_me5 ай бұрын
I've read MBotF, its my favorite series, and i think you cut to the heart of why Gardens of the Moon is actually great - and more people should read it. Great job highlighting the special qualities of this book, there are so many, I wish a million readers could hear your points. It IS fun and hilarious, its also refreshingly different but also ticks so many boxes from traditional fantasy and sword and sorcery. This is like the Platonic ideal of a review of Gardens of the Moon, in terms if rendering it digestible and lowering the intimidation factor that some unfortunately get disuaded by. I'll be subscribing and checking out your future vids, good luck on the journey, you're about to embark on something special!
@storytoob5 ай бұрын
Hey there! Thanks a lot that's very kind! It really is a fun book. I also recently finished Deadhouse Gates, different but also great, and am now roughly 300 pages into Memories of Ice and it's a wonderful blend of the qualities of both. Happy to have you around!
@Rogue_VI6 ай бұрын
Glad you liked GotM. Malazan is awesome. I agree that it isn't necessary to understand everything that's going on. I remember being completely lost when I started, but I was totally along for the ride.
@noahguy076 ай бұрын
Hell yeah! The “confusing” bits were more intriguing to me which kept me hooked. If more booktubers talked about how it isn’t as difficult as people make it out to be, I would have started it a long time ago. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on Deadhouse Gates! It is one of the most incredible books I’ve ever read.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Totally agree! But I just told myself those aspects are no different to reading a complex spy/political thriller with a lot of moving parts to the scheme. Which I'm pretty used to. Zig zagging with bite size chunks of unfolding plot instead of going from point A to point B. Can't wait man!
@Coleton25736 ай бұрын
Alright, I'm convinced, I'll read Gardens of the Moon this year. I've put it off for so many years, but this was a damn good review. Well done, sir.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Many thanks my friend!
@jonnyfevertv31705 ай бұрын
Scholars will be discussing the Malazan Book of the Fallen hundreds of years from now(like Shakespeare). Subbed! BTW I was reading this series as it was being published at about book 5. Nobody that I recommend this book to finished GotM. It is not accessible to most readers. Cheers
@storytoob5 ай бұрын
haha they will indeed! Thank you so much!
@blacknbluecollarreader6 ай бұрын
This is an exceptional review on an exceptional book. Excellent job Carlos. There is so much in the twittesphere regarding this series that it can be overwhelming for some. This is a perfect review for those thinking about jumping into this series. Excellent job man.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot Dan! ❤️ Onto DHG
@YaFeya136 ай бұрын
I so want a new book obsession 😢 This was not it, but I still want to love it, I think I will read it again. There’s so much potential here I fell in love with the writing style from the very first page story just didn’t grab me even though I struggled through the end. I think you just convinced me to try again. ❤️ Oh, and your accent, it’s a pleasure listening to you!
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
That's absolutely understandable! You might be in the general consensus even with the first book, I just happened to love all of it. But I'm a good chunk into the second and the writing style has even improved, but also the story is almost a totally new one. Could be worth another go and continuing on, but also no need to force it if it isn't working! And thank you haha 😆
@JosephReadsBooks6 ай бұрын
Great review! I can't wait to hear your thoughts on my favorite book in the series, Deadhouse Gates. I think you being "well read" in different genres really helps with the on-boarding in Gardens of the Moon. I also really like how you talked about the book being so fun and epic. Most people don't mention that but I was sold on the series as soon the chaos puppet showed up 😎
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Yep I certainly didn't have the impression that it would be as enjoyable and entertaining as it was!
@n.j.91176 ай бұрын
just popped up on my feed, and boy am I glad! I listened to Gardens of the Moon, and I think that was a mistake. I loved what I could grasp, but I think this one deserves a physical read. So thank you for that push, and excited to follow along with you!
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Hello! That's great to hear, and yeah I can't honestly imagine listening to this... Not that I'm great with audiobooks anyway. Happy to have you around!
@LadyKestrel236 ай бұрын
Oh yeah. I wouldn’t be able to understand the books on audio. I’m more of a visual person but yeah it’s fun to research online as you go 😃
@ladyfox67055 ай бұрын
Malazan sounds amazing! I've been looking for a Fantasy to give me 'Dark Souls' in a book. It's been so hard lol. I want something that will engross me, pull me into a deep chasm of Lore, great characters and world-building, but not hold my hand every 3 seconds to TELL me the story. Erikson is/was an archaeologist, and I don't mind digging to peel back those layers.
@storytoob5 ай бұрын
Hey there! By what you're saying, I'd be pretty confident in you liking it a lot! So much to sink your fantasy teeth into. Well into Book 3 now and I think he might be on par with GRRM (although I do prefer George's characters for the most part)
@ladyfox67055 ай бұрын
@@storytoob G.R.R.M is my favourite, and I also am loving Joe Abercrombie. If Steven is on-par with G.R.R.M, and from what you say about not being spoon-fed, I think I'll like Malazan! Have been looking forward to reading 'more challenging' books like Malazan, the Book of the New Sun (Gene Wolfe), the Three Body Problem, and War and Peace 🙂 PS: this was a great video, and you have a new sub. Great bookcases, too!📚
@storytoob5 ай бұрын
Yay thank you so much! While I haven't read War and Peace yet, I find some of Tolstoy's other writing very accessible, more so than Dostoevsky who I'd say is more challenging for sure. But War and Peace is looooooooong, it's on my list eventually too.
@ladyfox67055 ай бұрын
@@storytoob I just bought the Penguin Russians edition of War and Peace & Anna Karenina (my favourite!) which are lovely and floppy XD Now I have a challenge of finding the Malazan books that all match in size hahahaha (or wish to be lucky enough to get the Broken Binding set!)
@thefantasythinker6 ай бұрын
Fantastic! I love your thoughts on this. Looking forward to future takes on the rest of the series.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@volsere6 ай бұрын
I absolutely love GotM. Its so underrated. Great review, would love to see your take on Deadhouse Gates.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Cheers Shane! Well, give us just a couple of weeks, currently on the journey through Raraku haha
@BookishChas6 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed this Carlos! I really did, and eventually I’ll be picking up Memories of Ice again to finish it.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Oh nice! How are you finding it?
@BookishChas6 ай бұрын
@@storytoob well I like what I read of Memories of Ice, but I’m going to have to start over because I was so burned out after Deadhouse Gates lol.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
They are big boys 😀
@BookishChas6 ай бұрын
@@storytoob yeah they are lol. And I didn’t enjoy Deadhouse Gates hardly at all. Almost DNFd it lol.
@bardsandbooks6 ай бұрын
Seemless review, I felt much the same. Great job, Carlos 🤘🏽
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Cheers Usman! Which book are you on now?
@bardsandbooks6 ай бұрын
@@storytoob wrapped up Memories of Ice and will start House of Chains soon
@BetheQuail6 ай бұрын
You might appreciate the Lonesome Dove-like “cattle” drive in book two…
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
On that right now! Loving it
@LadyKestrel236 ай бұрын
I so love love love these books. My favorite ever! My husband is going to start them soon. Hope I can explain his questions lol
@EricMcLuen6 ай бұрын
Sounds like another TBR list shot to hell. 😅 And some people are even blue.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
What TBR? 😜
@blacknbluecollarreader6 ай бұрын
This got a chuckle out of me
@Jabberwhorl_Cronstadt2 ай бұрын
Hey sir, I watch just about all the Malazan stuff on KZbin, but I don't always hit that subscribe button and I'm definitely subscribing to your channel. Loved your thoughts. Made me really want to reread Gardens. And is it wrong that the casual profanity endeared me even more to you? Lol I'm usually missing that from my Booktubers 😂
@storytoob2 ай бұрын
Hello there! Oh that's really nice, cheers! Delighted to have you around. Hope to see you in the comments of the rest of the Malazan vids. And, asking an Irish/Spanish man if liking casual profanity is wrong is like asking a bear if he shits in the woods 🤣 in all seriousness, half the time I don't notice I'm doing it, it's just second nature around here haha
@sw3dge6 ай бұрын
I found it to be less "hard" than I was expecting. While I'm enjoying Deadhouse Gates a lot, for some reason I'm finding it harder to keep track of everyone in that book. But that's probably a me thing. I've read Erikson describing this as postmodern fantasy and it definitely fits.
@bookswithnate6 ай бұрын
What I love about Malazan is everything that can happen, will probably happen lol happy to see you enjoyed it so much! Hope you continue to enjoy it. Deadhouse Gates is a personal favorite....so don't say anything bad about it.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Deadhouse Gates sucks!!!! 😝
@bookswithnate6 ай бұрын
@@storytoob Cancelled!!!! 👿
@moresoysauce54894 ай бұрын
It just shows how much range the books have that DHG is my least favorite and it's other people's favorite.
@moresoysauce54894 ай бұрын
I loved GoTM too. Hot take: *whispers* even more than DHG 😮 although mappo and icarium still my favorite duo so far Edit: okay Tehol and Bugg might actually be my favorite but for completely different reason 😂 if you know you know
@storytoob4 ай бұрын
I agree completely! GotM I like more than DHG, but Mappo and Icarium are still possibly my favourite duo
@moresoysauce54894 ай бұрын
@@storytoob nice! Ya GotM has that fun factor whereas DHG is just depressing lol 😂
@nancywolf14676 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this book! I’m wanting to return.
@Jabberwhorl_Cronstadt2 ай бұрын
The way I like to describe the writing in Malazan is that it's the exact opposite of the writing in TV police procedurals like Law and Order where you have two grizzled, worn down detectives talking and one says, "We need a warrant!" and the other says, "But we can't get one because we don't have enough probable cause, and we need to get more evidence in order to have probable cause, and then we can call a judge and get a warrant!" That is not how two experienced homicide detectives would actually talk to each other, but it's obviously all handholding for the audience who might not know about how warrants work. Malazan doesn't do any of that. It's much more like the show The Wire where the two detectives just exchange an exhausted glare at each other and say, "Aw shit..." and get back to work. You might not know exactly what's going on, but you can gather the main feeling from the clues and what is expressed.
@storytoob2 ай бұрын
1000% agree! The Wire is a great shout.. brilliant comparison. It can of course get chaotic in its structure sometimes, and that can absolutely not be to someone's taste, but the scene to scene dialogue and atmosphere are great. Erikson is also not completely devoid of exposition, but I think he hides it better
@SarahJ706 ай бұрын
Can't wait for you to get to Midnight Tides and Bonehunters. The humor in those books is unbelievably good. Bonehunters got some good gallows humor. Memories of Ice, though, goes real crazy with its magic. Erikson and Esslemont's imagination is insane
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
That's great to know! I'm super excited about the series as a whole
@thatsci-firogue6 ай бұрын
Those are my top 2 favourite books in the series!
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
How are the Esslemont books? (if you guys have read those ofc)
@thatsci-firogue6 ай бұрын
@@storytoob I've only read Night of Knives which I really enjoyed. I won't say much but let's just say it something I've never seen in Fantasy before and it's such a ridiculously simple thing I'm shocked it doesn't happen more often.
@thatsci-firogue6 ай бұрын
@@storytoob I'm probably going to wait until Esslemont's prequel series is finished before I get to that one but I'm going to be folding his Novels of the Malazan Empire into my Book of the Fallen re-read. I'm not 100% when I'll do that but it definitely won't be happening until I'm at least finished with RotE.
@LadyKestrel236 ай бұрын
Favorite character? Mine has to be Fiddler and quick Ben
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
KRUPPE! 😂
@LadyKestrel236 ай бұрын
@@storytoob haha definitely! 😆
@vinodvagadurgi414Ай бұрын
Only real characterization according to me was in house of chains Karsa orlong This is where the real characterization takes place
@storytoobАй бұрын
I certainly don't think that's true at all. Karsa is brilliantly characterised in HoC, but there is really wonderful characterisation from the beginning. It may be more evident or explicit in some areas, and it may not always be to your taste of course.. but to say there is none is actually quite incorrect. Totally respect you not liking it until Karsa, I can see that
@thatsci-firogue6 ай бұрын
Nice. Glad you loved it. The best is yet to come. Its my favourite completed Fantasy series. From my experience the difficulty is overblown and I'm an eejit 😅 You are right, the entertainment factor is often overlooked / not discussed as much as it should. I appreciate that Erikson refuses to hold my hand and actually treats the reader like an adult, which I don't get from more popular, more beloved authors *cough* Brandon Sanderson *cough*. GotM is a lot of fun, and it is one of my least favourites in the series.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Yeeeah I haven't really been this excited about a new series for a long time. Everyone is saying that it's a great sign if I liked GotM so much.. We'll see how I get on this year, and how many of them I read. I do love that Erikson doesn't talk down to me at all. A trait I find all too common in not only fantasy, but many modern books
@thatsci-firogue6 ай бұрын
@@storytoob I wouldn't worry about how many you can read in a year. Took me nearly two years.
@chadia256 ай бұрын
LFG!!!!! ❤
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
LFG!! ❤️
@myself2noone6 ай бұрын
I picked it up a few weeks ago. And it's been a slog. I don't really care for the magic system. It's a physics engine magic system, and i like linguistic magic. The plot structure makes the story being told rather obvious. Not predictable, obvious. Meaning that where as i can't tell you what's going to happen next, i can tell you what won't. The reliance on power structure analysis makes the dialog come across as rather "thin." Humans aren't as simple as all that. And I've found the theme to be simple and silly. Compassion sounds great until you read about its adapted function, and you realize it's often not. But whatever. I suppose I'll try reading until book 3 or so when most people say it gets good. It's just so far it's had all the problems common in post-modern writing, and the fantistical elements really haven't carried it for me.
@storytoob6 ай бұрын
Hey there! I don't really think it's much of a "magic system" at all to begin with. There's just magic. I can understand the criticism of dialogue when framed against the theme of power structure, but I still found it interesting. Not that it was a major focus either... I think ultimately I just had a lot of fun with this particular one. I certainly don't think Erikson paints his characters, human or not, as simple. I thought it was quite the opposite, especially when you compare it to other fantasy What made you think they seemed simple compared to real people? Cheers for commenting by the way! I do think these will be books worth discussing
@SouravUldyssian6 ай бұрын
Gardens of the Moon is widely considered as the worst book in the series. It was written 10 years befor the others, written as a screenplay first and then converted to a book. The dialogues in this book are stunted a bit, and the characterization is not very deep. Same with themes. Its in Book 2 where there will be a large jump in quality regarding these. After finishing book 2, if you still hate it, there's no need to read 3, its fine. Book 3 is needed for those who liked book 2 to some extent but still unsure.
@myself2noone6 ай бұрын
@@storytoobWell, for one thing, they're competing in only one status game. All the dialog seems like the characters are competing in a dominance game. And little too pure of a dominance game. The skills and moral games are mostly left off to the side, or just seen as expressions of the dominance game. It's like a guitar with only one string. I'm sure a really skilled person can make great music with that. But a competent person can make better music with a whole guitar.
@mudbutt425 ай бұрын
I got to about chapter 10, and was like, What the hell am I reading? So I went to the youtube's and I got this great video where the guy said to read chapters summaries from Tor. So i started again. That helped a lot. I knew where I was, I knew who was talking, I knew what was going on, for the most part. It just got too much like homework and I didn't get back to chapter 10. I need to take a couple week's regroup and start again.
@storytoob5 ай бұрын
Haha I understand the need or urge to want to regain control of the story and really get your bearings... But it does require a bit of trust that you'll get there eventually. Hope you pick it back up and enjoy!