MAN CITY FFP BLOW!

[@Nightsbringer1]

It's obvious what will happen! Man City will be found guilty of all 115 charges, they'll be fined £10,000 total, and then Everton will have 26 points deducted for fairness (probably)

[@rjb10101]

probably give forest another deduction just for good measure

[@bonym371]

Then relegate all the teams in premier league except for City

[@youngboss70]

Blah blah blah

[@taffy_ma]

@@LaliladaAnamina What? I think you missed the joke

[@colinmarshall3842]

Sounds fair 😂

[@keanudossantos2440]

Man city are able to keep 115 / 130 charges under wraps whilst united can’t keep one dressing room comment from leaking

[@debest5485]

Isn't it better not to be a criminal?

[@habiladam6363]

​@@debest5485leaks SHOULD be criminal...

[@happy_camper]

@@habiladam6363 agreed

[@TwerkForWork]

What leaked

[@mikeoz8806]

😂

[@mowais5395]

Should add another charge for selling Cole palmer

[@A4RON-ZN]

Nice

[@Red5_]

The worst charge of the lot.

[@All-Outta-Bubblegum]

He'd be absolutely shite for City though. Just like Grealish, Foden etc. Pep doesn't allow players like that to actually play.

[@tvna231]

@@All-Outta-Bubblegum Foden?

[@tvna231]

they got 60mil for palmer

[@ilovecatsuwu99]

Football: created by the poor, destroyed by the rich

[@mrfanta7841]

So i hope you support your local team?

[@bandai_2477]

@@mrfanta7841oooo

[@mrb2643]

​@mrfanta7841 local? Spanish manager, best payer a Belgian , Norwegian or about them Muslims that helped LFC get their first title in 30 years with a German coach and American money

[@Brandonnnnnnn999]

@@mrb2643sounds like someone has shitty owners

[@rinkohorowitz]

So go and support your local team

[@ROXAS1]

Fines mean nothing to rich clubs. Only way to make them pay attention is to deduct points or take away titles.

[@airobsmith]

and other clubs suing them for lost income

[@Mannyr-bu7qv]

😂

[@qwertyjeffers]

What I find funny is if city was relegated they would still win the premier league before united

[@ichheieferit]

Should relegate to League two and stay there for two years even if they get promotion on the first season.

[@Sammy-iw7do]

They cant almost relegate Everton and forrest, which could potentially destroy those clubs and just let city get away with it, either way it a massive problem for the premier league, they have become the golden child of the epl, anyway doubt much will happen

[@malpa2345]

They’ll get away with it we all know it

[@Random__is__resistance]

2 tiered police 2 tiered government 2 tiered judicial system. 2 tiered football will be exposed now

[@Freshbloodyuno22]

I’m glad u know 😂😂😂

[@RedmiMi-i7w]

No they are not

[@TM-gp8td]

@@RedmiMi-i7wand when they do can’t wait to see ur tears

[@zaneplatt3533]

​@TM-gp8td It doesn't matter though. No one takes them seriously right now anyway. I sure don't.

[@JAFKARNAT]

If the players got paid under the counter, did they pay the tax ? How did the companies register the payments on their books ? Is that not fraudulent accounting. The revenue should step in and deal with the problem.

[@Sammyli99]

under the counter means off shore no money in UK in whoever Monaco, Suadi, so no tax paid, BUT it could be handled as a "promotional" influencer payment not for footballing fees but for events in Saudi...just saying.

[@93lornamae]

Players haven't been paid under the table.

[@Sammyli99]

@@93lornamae LOL Says Soros' Accountant, nah, paid via AIPAC which donated to Ukraine which funded the Olympics and Poppy seed farming in Afganistan...

[@ShaneBradford]

No one knows that ​@@93lornamae

[@dylanmorgan2752]

@@93lornamaeYh of course they haven’t. Just like Pep and his brother weren’t either. Only way a team with a history equivalent to Burnley attracted the best players and managers in Europe was paying generational wages far beyond what the wage limit would allow.

[@ColePlmer]

I don’t see why this is still happening. They’re just gonna pay all the fines anyway

[@declangaming24]

Yes but if the fines where in the billons they would struggle

[@jpmoosic]

Well, it would make sense then that fines could only be paid from revenue. Otherwise fines as a punishment would be pointless. However, what most people seem to be expecting are punishments aligned to those that Everton received, that are proportionate to the charges that Man CIty are found guilty of.

[@kuolozkimach4451]

One of the fines would be relegation 😂

[@alliallii]

Imagine giving all that effort for three four seasons only to be told u were losing to a couple of cheating frauds

[@ro9859]

Yes because all Everton had to do was pay a fine ? Stop it they are getting absolutely terrored when this court case happens

[@martinntsimane866]

As a Gunners fan, I'd rather take titles on merit. But as a human being in society, you can't have 115 breaches worse than Everton and Forrest last season and get away with it. From a society standpoint, it can't happen.

[@nimasharifi7999]

The nature of the breaches were different, but whatever.

[@ozzylyon3180]

You do realise when a team has titles stripped second place doesn’t automatically get them. It just counts as a void season.

[@verlaine4]

I remember you complaining when Danny Fiszman doped Arsenal to create the Invincibles.

[@martinntsimane866]

@@ozzylyon3180 Fine. I was only saying, if it comes to that, I don't want it.

[@martinntsimane866]

@@verlaine4 Is that a proven matter of fact?

[@SirNickyT]

The question is simple, What do we want? A league with integrity or a league that is just Battle of the Billionaires and nation states..

[@Tony-z3p1r]

That won't happen until every league team has been exactly the same money to spend...never change it's rich v poor

[@dylanmorgan2752]

@@Tony-z3p1r Not true the limits to how much cash can be injected by owners mean that the gap doesn’t become untenable. If those limits are broken you end up in a situation where any club no matter how small can have its name picked from a hat by a nations ruler and be catapulted straight to the very top of football. Just like what’s happened.

[@Tony-z3p1r]

@@dylanmorgan2752 fair enough but at end of the day it's still not and will never be a level playing field. Money doesn't always buy success either , look at recent spends by united, Chelsea, PSG . Unless it's distributed fairly then the smaller clubs have no chance . Very very unfair greedy business at the end of the day .

[@lenenlawless]

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?!

[@STurtle1]

The only people wanting Man City to be innocent are man city fans. Everyone else wants them to be guilty because we all understand that if they are found, not guilty, then the premier league loses what makes it so competitive. This isn't just about one club. It's about being able to reign in rogue clubs that break the rules.

[@93lornamae]

It's never been competitive.

[@nimasharifi7999]

What makes it competitive is the TV rights money. Even mid table EPL clubs are signing best players of top clubs of LaLiga, Bundesliga, and Serie A. It's all about the money, my friend, and EPL is a SuperLeague in its own right!

[@Jack-iu5um]

The prem has always favored rich clubs, get off your high horse

[@LevyHappyClapper]

@@Jack-iu5um it has but not cheating rich clubs

[@JacksCreates]

You really stand with the premier league ? Yeah you’re dense

[@linwoodskinner351]

I just watched the cannon podcast. They had the magic top hat on and he explained the charges in detail. I was under the impression city won the UEFA CAS case but they didn’t. The CAS found they did attempt to circumvent the rules but they just didn’t have the evidence the premier league has now. I came away with the impression there’s no way city can win.

[@tomgolab3958]

Let's hope so!

[@Amberle38]

I don't think they will win, at least they won't clear their name on all charges. The problem is, what punishment will they receive & will they be able to enforce it? The way I understand it is they aren't able to appeal against the outcome ie. whether they're guilty or not, but they might be able to appeal against punishments & tie that up in the courts.

[@linwoodskinner351]

@@Amberle38 actually regardless of the ruling both sides can still appeal. Say City lose but the premier league feels that the sanctions aren’t harsh enough they both can appeal. The PL for harsher penalties & City for leniency. My understanding of it is after the secondary appeal that’s pretty much it. No one can take it to the higher courts. The interesting part i never actually thought about is City has never came out & said the emails were fabricated or tampered with. If that was the case we wouldn’t be this far into it. So I’m believing that the emails are true and I don’t see how they get away from that

[@QuentinMajor]

Lol, I wouldn't trust that Nick Harris clone if I were you. He has no inside information whatsoever yet pontificates on X about how Man. City *will* be convicted and *will* have titles stripped and so on, portraying his fantasies as reality. The APT case is another example. He consistently maintained that Man. City had no chance, and what happens? Several outlets report Man. City's success. Go figure.

[@bigdevine]

Can the “premier league” take them down to league 2 as its two separate bodies

[@Call4n]

Wake up everyday hoping that oil club gets relegated

[@ilhampurnomo6509]

womp womp

[@jairule8300]

Never gonna happen

[@BiggestBirdonMars]

Then you really don't have much going in ur life

[@mihael9014]

@@BiggestBirdonMarslol

[@Random__is__resistance]

Your forgetting its a 2 tiered country why think this will be any different. Nothing will happen.

[@EndertheWeek]

Whatever the outcome and punishment or not, the FA/Premier League should not have let this drift for so long, it tarnishes the league and possibly affects other clubs - some badly.

[@davidreynolds3724]

The premier League made this situation by agreeing to the financial power of country ownership. Now they have opened the pandora box and now they are trying to close it . NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO OIL CITY AS THEY HAVE MADE A MOCKERY OF FFP.

[@Amberle38]

Yeah spot on sadly. Trying to shut the stable door after the horse has long since bolted.

[@drep9028]

Emirates is a state funded airline. Abramovic came and invested. Even recently, Liverpool etc got rid of players by selling them to Saudi Pro league. Why try to change it now? What's really the concern? 🤨

[@Taharqo.saved.the.Hebrew]

​@@drep9028Emirates Air line doesn't own Arsenal your point on that is irrelevant, and the problem isn't the Saudi league it's state ownership of football clubs which is wrong

[@theletsplayer4921]

​@@Taharqo.saved.the.Hebrewreally fly emeritus still allows arsenal to spend

[@Tony-z3p1r]

Keep being bitter 🥱

[@danielgreen1785]

People like to see the idea of being them relegated to the championship but respectfully what entitles them to be in the championship? Genuinely think banning them from FA competition wouldn’t be too harsh if found guilty and covering up

[@declangaming24]

They would come straight up with parachute money

[@tedjessop9281]

Completely wipe out an entire club and it’s history because of what 1 owner has decided to do? Yeah sound mate

[@SoAaron_]

Being relegated to the championship would do nothing, league 2 should be the minimum if they get found guilty

[@user-zu6qn9ux9n]

@@tedjessop9281 it happened rangers

[@johanhalvarsson2148]

Actually, some of the biggest stars could try to move on, not only to play in the bigger leagues but also to try to clear their names. it might be two years before they're a top four club again. One for getting back to the prem and one where they'll finish 8th.

[@GIBBO4182]

Amazing how you can’t in effect sponsor yourself, but Chelsea were allowed to sell a hotel to themselves!

[@All-Outta-Bubblegum]

Chelsea are the biggest cheaters of the lot and it will all come back to bite them eventually.

[@benkoj6581]

Just jealous your owners aren’t as smart as ours

[@FabTBC]

You can sponsor yourself (or more technically speaking, sponsor your team with a separate entity you own) it just has to be for the fair market value. See City & Etihad. Same goes for the Chelsea hotel sale story. The sale has been confirmed to have occurred at the fair market value.

[@GIBBO4182]

@@benkoj6581 grow up

[@JackSmith-db1hm]

@@benkoj6581 Did you just call Tod Boehly smart?

[@nukage2]

hopefully they get relegated to the conference league

[@sharkymeldrew]

Tad bit generous.. national league

[@OsQarek]

Defo works like that

[@declangaming24]

​@@sharkymeldrewthat's what he means national league used to be called conference

[@sharkymeldrew]

@@declangaming24 we’re talking about now.. he could have been referring to the European comp

[@martinelli-w7p]

And their titles stripped

[@Im0kae]

Ppl who want man city relegated 👇

[@sandwormgod4771]

It's only right, if the case is proven. City paid out for staff, including players. Paid their wages through dubious means. They also appear to have been deliberately obtuse and prevaricated in their assistance with the FA. Now that they're selling their high value players, they now appear to be within the FFP rules.

[@jensen5160]

Send them down to the national league

[@didgruntleddansnyderfan]

I want United relegated for being envious pricks. Can I still vote?

[@sandwormgod4771]

@@Leenufc1993 Cheating.

[@sandwormgod4771]

@@Leenufc1993 Cheating?

[@danpalmer6891]

The best thing I've read regarding this case is the fact that just because the Premier League may kick City out, it doesn't mean that the EPL have to accept them, they are a separate entity. City could be kicked out of all competitions, as much as I think this should happen to the cheating scum I highly doubt anything as severe will be given to them. The idea of buying your way around the rules is very common in the region where City's owners are from and I am absolutely dreading the thought that they will be able to do it with this.

[@jaryd12345]

I’m a Newcastle fan and I don’t think we should just be able to throw whatever money we like in with dodgy sponsorships, but I also don’t think it’s fair that we have all this potential investment and instead we’re having to sell young players to stay above the FFP line. My compromise would be that the spending cap is fixed for everyone and it’s based off the average turnover of the highest turnover club in the league over the past 3 years. That way everyone has the same spending potential if they can get the investment in.

[@alone2break]

That way would make the premier league team hard to compete in europe. And the quality of the league itself will go down due to lack of quality players. Remember that wages also count as "spending"..

[@progress2success402]

What I have an issue with is how can you judge fair market value! You would expect that Newcastle could command a higher value in Saudi due to there owners therefore there being more interest in that country. Just like spurs might get more from a Korean business than say Man U cause of son but then most other countries Man U would command a higher fee.m than spurs.

[@justawarlord]

@@alone2break ??? no this would make the quality higher since everyone has the potential of the highest cap in the league

[@AJ-hv6cd]

@@progress2success402yes but at least it won’t be ridiculous. I imagine it is quite loose. So Newcastle could probably get a sponsorship as high as any club in the prem. I think anyone with common sense would realise that is probably too high given other clubs have a greater global appeal, but at least it is bounded in that way. Rather than just taking £1bn from a Saudi company pumping money in under the state’s orders

[@nickchivers9029]

Yeah the problem with that though, is the whole point of FFP was to stop billionaires pumping money into a business that doesn't actually generate that level of revenue. Now, we all know that it hasn't worked like that. Your model however, would allow the likes of say Southampton being bought out, pumped up with owners money to the level of Man City and then what? What happens when the magic billionaire stops funding them?

[@rehannongbri6358]

If City get punished, then the spirit of the beautiful game will win.

[@Clem_Fandango11]

No the bigger branded clubs will win.

[@daze77gaming]

we will finally have a new premier league champion

[@andrewazur8629]

Exactly

[@Francis_0120]

Spurs will win a trophy though.

[@peterplumb9725]

Wrong. Football wins

[@Ben-fk9ey]

Nothing will happen as so many people are involved the people prosecuting would be arresting themselves. They'll get a slap on the wrist and it'll be swept under the rug.

[@ame406]

Is there a fair market price for ticket prices? Each club is allowed to charge whatever ticket price it want, why should there be fair market valuation for sponsorship?

[@manudude02]

There are some rules regarding ticket prices (like away tickets capped at £30), but in general supply and demand that deals with that. With sponsorship, the sponsoring company is basically saying "We believe that our revenue will go up by at least this much by being associated with them" Fair market value is basically just ensuring these valuations are reasonable.

[@ame406]

@manudude02 That's why the FFP rules on sponsorship doesnt make sense. Because a club can sell a ticket for $80m, as long as someone is willing to pay, it's fair. Okay.. the same club gets a sponsorship for $80m, because it's call "sponsorship" it must go through fair market valuation. Does this make any sense? Believe me, soon clubs will be selling sponsorship through ticket sales and we will be back to zero.

[@lewiselliotdesign3874]

Not even a City fan, and I understand the charges and controversies. But you can't deny that the players have been exceptional. They're human beings, not machines, and regardless of the money involved they have still performed top class stuff

[@terencecroy16]

Yes,but no one can compete with their buying power

[@lewiselliotdesign3874]

@@terencecroy16 What have madrid done in the spanish league for the last decade or more? Pretty much owned by the FA

[@creepingbrain]

They wouldn't have some of these players, and probably would have had Pep as manager, if they'd played by the rules that every other club has had to abide by.

[@lewiselliotdesign3874]

@@creepingbrain Fully understand, but are the players to blame? They still played and won trophies. Chelsea + UTD have also spent a crazy amount, and yeah, don't even need to speak about where UTD are. Chelsea might be doing better now, but the 8 year contracts are another way of avoiding FFP. That will come back on them when they want to sell players lol.

[@henkkas2698]

115 have been expectional BUT they would never have this team, these players if they would play fair with money. how when the state bought them they suddenly started to sell fan products double more than the next one? they dont even sell their stadium full. im not from england but i have never seen a single fan on streets wearing 115 shirt. its guaranteed sportswashing ,question is can they prove it. ps. how they have biggest reveneau in premier league, they have been great yes, but they are still small club, like said they cant even fill theior stadium full.

[@b19gow76]

Money is destroying football in the same way it is destroying everything.

[@SnapMonster8]

No it's not. Money only destroying Man Utd & Chelsea, both clubs spent more than City

[@henkkas2698]

its not moneys fault, the Billionaires are destroying football and they dont even cares bout football, its just ego thing.

[@henkkas2698]

@@SnapMonster8 Both clubs have huge fanbase compared to 115 and therefore also generate their own money unlike 115 who manipulates the income and use fake sponsorships.

[@SnapMonster8]

@@henkkas2698 Get your facts right. Chelsea don't have huge fan base before 2003, they don't generate their own money. FFP started in 2011 to protect "Big clubs"

[@henkkas2698]

@@SnapMonster8 i said compared to 115. united is in their own level in fanbase compared to chelsea and 115. but chelsea have lets then say bigger fanbase than 115.

[@callmecosmic]

If found guilty, I honestly don't think the Premier League will relegate them. For me, the best case scenario if they can't be relegated is acknowledgement that any year they were found to have cheated, strip all titles, accomplishments, etc... And for the next 3 years, they CAN NOT win the Title or qualify or compete in any domestic or European cups, regardless of their points. So they can stay up (again, don't think they will be thrown out) but you can't compete for any titles.

[@christopherdixon2784]

TOON Fan. I do think we need a better structure of FFP in place allowing clubs with owners who have the money to invest. You could say that other clubs that are in billions of dept need to face some kind of punishment instead of just looking the other way and in some cases being helped by the PL. any clubs spring to mind. If anything needs looking at it’s those clubs that need to be looked at as well. But I’m sure that will never happen. It’s safer to keep people away from the table instead of asking those who are sat at the table be to leave.

[@MancMadMan]

That’s a long way of saying “I’m a bitter Newcastle fan who hates Man United” 🙈😂

[@mauricekennedy6786]

​@MancMadMan but newcastle have already passed manure lol

[@waynegedge-cn5mm]

The meltdown on here will be a sight to behold when City hopefully get off. 😂🤣😂

[@youknowqwe]

Mark is way better than most so called pundits and journalists Respect from Arsenal fan 👏 🙌 🙏

[@danielthompson2708]

Facts!!! I love his content!

[@Boxag]

You two are completely idiotic then.

[@KD-yn2by]

Well Arsenal fans are the most deluded so only right you stick with this clown

[@HareKrsna1]

5 leagues down, 5 year transfer ban, exclusion from fa cup and champions league.

[@tomgolab3958]

Exactly!

[@tomgolab3958]

Exactly!

[@Sketch2805Studios]

The prem only controls itself unfortunately it's completely separate from thee other leagues so can only deduct points or relegate them 1 division

[@HareKrsna1]

@Sketch2805Studios hmm.. I wonder whether for cheating there would be different rules. For example, juventus went down a few leagues for match fixing

[@Karl_00097]

🤡

[@TheAtticradio]

hard to believe that the sad state of man united is way better news than man city's 115 charges

[@vickalessa]

he's just sad he cant say anything else nice about yanited

[@somerandomhomeboy]

If found guilty, ownership and management should be punished first. The coach, his assistants, the players, and the fans had nothing to do with those decisions.

[@basdfgwe]

The coach didn't know what was going on ? sure.

[@manudude02]

I do feel sorry for the fans, at least the lifelong ones, but some of the charges do involve financial transactions with the staff and players.

[@KongBakPau]

FFP is designed to keep the top clubs as the top clubs. It isn't fit for purpose. We have clubs with no debt not able to spend, but clubs with hundreds of millions of debt able to.

[@TheMercWithMouth]

Ah the typical city excuse😂 It's there to protect clubs from going out of business because of financial doping.

[@peterkotsonis2535]

No they protect Man City, which is not a big club. Without the oil money having come in before the FFP rules, that club would be in League One. Newcastle is way bigger but can't spend like City

[@LevyHappyClapper]

so clubs owned by oil COUNTRIES should be able to spend whatever they want .... great comp that would be

[@GatorCrusader]

relegation to league 1 and $1 Billion fine please

[@declangaming24]

Wouldn't be fair to EFL league 2 clubs who go up to LG1 the playoff team wouldn't go up there has to be 24 teams not 25

[@keenoTrickzz]

@@declangaming24everyone would shuffle up one, so 4 will be promoted to the prem then the rest of the leagues would follow until the league man city go in

[@jabba7746]

As someone who's club is in L1, we don't want them here! Send them to national league.

[@declangaming24]

@keenoTrickzz yeah so 4 down in the prem 20th -17th 4 up from championship 1st-4th ,4 down from championship 24th-20th ,4 up for LG1 ect

[@toddg_0.0_]

​@@jabba7746YOU don't want them, but the people running the Championship will not refuse City😂😂Football is business not emotion

[@DavidC1]

Mark ive been out of the football loop for a month, is United really in a crisis?

[@joelhibbard1482]

Goldbridge your so obsessed with Man City, you literally sit behind a computer talking about us everyday 😭. Give it a rest bro

[@shuraamano]

115 fans scared being exposed everyday, crying crying cheaty fans is crying

[@fendi2785]

stay humble 😂😂😂😂

[@everythinggoes2969]

115 charges is a lot to ignore, fair play if you beat them all.

[@DavyMagowan]

It's all about the money for him mate I'm surprised he hasn't put anything up about the JFK case to get clicks

[@michaelelah8106]

We give him views 😂

[@hafizur91]

Mark dying for the result, sounding like if city are found guilty, his man utd team will be champions 😂

[@manudude02]

Well, it might mean Ole has a premier league medal as a manager.

[@matt94alexander32]

On the pitch teams need to stop playing like poor imitations of Man City. We need to see a re-emergence of different styles of play and ways of winning even if it is more route one and ugly at times.

[@gomey70]

FFP isn't about keeping the league competitive. It's to prevent clubs going bankrupt after being saddled with huge debts.

[@scottyh1238]

thats what it was originally instated for, but the landscape of the PL and its ownership has drastically changed, with almost most owners in the league being a multi billionaire, if not, at least close to a billionaire. I think that reason is kind of redundant nowadays.

[@007feck]

You might be mixing up “profit and sustainability” vs “financial fair play”

[@bigmoist2112]

no one in the PL is going bankrupt. the TV deal is probably the highest in the world of any sport

[@yogihightower]

It's designed to keep those at the top at the top.

[@MikeTHEBOSS]

​@@scottyh1238nonsense. Even billionaires can decide to not fund a club anymore. Still happens

[@hanifibrahim460]

The issue is that we are all looking at this emotionally, as football supporters, but these proceedings are more about the intrinsic corruption in corporate businesses and how they ALL skirt tax and valuation laws. I hate what City, Newcastle and PSG etc. are doing to the game, but I am just as concerned by what the Glazers and the like have done to the game, sucking every last penny out of supporters who can't offered to go to a match, or pay the separate subscription fees to watch League, Cup and European matches, or buy a kit for themselves or their kids!

[@Iamspartacus1971]

They wouldn’t have been broken if they had followed the rules 👍

[@countofbiarritz]

You mean these rules that were brought in very recently and long after Man Utd and Chelsea just spent whatever they wanted? Those rules?

[@Iamspartacus1971]

@@countofbiarritz yeah those ones to stop this kind of spending well above your income, so if the oily money 💰 went you could still survive 👍 those ones.

[@kdot2513]

If Man City are found guilty I seriously think Jurgen Klopp is the second best manager of the premier league era

[@Geobot13]

After arteta 🙃🤭

[@kdot2513]

@@Geobot13 hahahaha no way 🙅‍♂️ 😅

[@MichaelWard-kh8yo]

​@Geobot13 good joke 🤣

[@Sammyli99]

after Rooney

[@peterplumb9725]

Third

[@trevorjones8969]

I love how you use the word 'morally' so casually, like you understand the meaning of morality. It's a great example of that thing rife on social media: folks claiming expertise on an issue they know little or nothing of. x

[@Samuel-qe9lj]

Fair value is basically accounting and auditing standards… how can they win the case

[@RedScareClair]

One thing that has become glaringly obvious to me is that eventually, money will ruin everything. Does it make things better in the short term? Of course. But eventually things will get worse.

[@Danny-bv6zv]

Manchester City players also have 2 hands and 2 feet...

[@toddg_0.0_]

Ironic coming from a united fan😂😂

[@davidddddddddd]

Far too deep a comment for this crowd

[@SRC3178]

When Rangers broke the rules they got dropped to the bottom of Scottish football the SPL sorted that out will the Prem actually put City down

[@rossco3603]

That's not why Rangers were put into the 3rd division. They were relegated because they entered administration it was nothing to do with HMRC's witch-hunt

[@kjd9634]

@@rossco3603 Aaaaannd the result of going into administration is they you're debts are written, including all the taxes you owe to the HMRC!!

[@shuraamano]

​@@rossco3603So FFP breach is not part of administration?

[@Sketch2805Studios]

Prem is separate to other leagues so they can only deduct points or relegate them from the prem unfortunately

[@kevincarter2020]

Then relegate and refuse re-entry

[@snookerturk]

I have a question... if that rule does exist? Surly the sponsorship deals went before the PL ? Assessed ? And given the go ahead ? Or I'm I wrong

[@mrwsaunders78]

Mark the only ones that want the APT Rules scrapped are the fans of the rich clubs the rest of us see how wrong it is

[@LionKingMCFC]

City are saying it's not LEGAL, it's UNLAWFUL... not it's not fair.

[@SuperCityMCFC]

No point knocking if no one's home, don't bother mate, they love making this nonsense up

[@davefovargue7279]

Might need to delete this.

[@MathewBall]

A downside is that under FFP, small clubs stay small and the big clubs stay big and can't be caught by the small clubs!

[@LevyHappyClapper]

the upside is clubs don't go broke .... the alternative is every club should have the same set spending limit

[@MathewBall]

@@LevyHappyClapper Don't spend what you haven't got, and you won't go broke. If all the teams have the same net spend you weaken the league!

[@jonathan23s67]

Name one chargeeeeeeeee mark please since u care about this rather than the current circumstances of your own club

[@garykemp8329]

Great show but any chance you could stop screaming when you start please

[@10MinutePowernap]

Really don't see how City have a leg to stand on - of course APT rules are fair for the majority.

[@theletsplayer4921]

Really they where only brought in when saudi bought Newcastle United its racially driven

[@allucard139]

The tears are so funny man 😭😭

[@stewiegriffin659]

As a city fan I agree with the APT rule not being changed. I want the league to stay competitive, but a billion a week coming in? Not fair on the other clubs. Edit: “MaN cHeAtY” yeah I’ve heard them all. Keep it to yourself and move on with your life.

[@jeanrose1627]

How old are you Stewie?

[@stewiegriffin659]

@@jeanrose1627 been city before the Saudi takeover if that’s what you’re getting at.

[@vickalessa]

@@jeanrose1627 doesnt matter, ignore if anyone's below iq lvl

[@iannarelli1814]

Love how he took down the Erik books he had in the back 😂😂

[@dinbachok6424]

Wait, if man city got a billion a season why they only spent 100m on transfer windows? The most they paid for grealish 100m. Haaland only 60m. They do not spend like arsenal and man united. Maybe back in the days 2010 or something. They do not win much at that times. When pep took over they started to win things but they do not spend lavishly. Also where chelsea get the money to spent billions these recent season? But because they do not win much, no one complaining.

[@dariusshahkarami8436]

You’re an idiot, some of the charges are to do with payments away from their actual books. What’s the point in making a comment without reading any of the actual context

[@AdaptableZel]

Chelsea was able to spend billions because they had a transfer ban from 2019 to 2021, so they had a blank FFP slate essentially when Boehly came in, which meant they could spend the quite frankly ridiculous numbers they had.

[@CharlieWeighell]

Chelsea are also struggling to comply with ffp

[@dariusshahkarami8436]

@@CharlieWeighell exactly they had to self report

[@dariusshahkarami8436]

@@CharlieWeighell sold their ground, hotels etc. if this project doesn’t work out Chelsea could be in serious trouble financially.

[@really-america]

But how will this all affect Nottingham Forest?

[@benthenormalone4156]

Facts...from a Liverpool fan

[@daleviker5884]

you people don't need to keep saying "Liverpool fan". It's automatically understood that 95% of comments on any football thread are from Liverpool fans, because you all lead such busy full lives.

[@benthenormalone4156]

@@daleviker5884 sorry mate... didn't know I hit a nerv there. I just like the truth...I don't hate or judge, it's not in our hands! God bless you lad 🙏

[@sothdestiny9496]

Someone can be charged and yet guiltless. Such are called false charges. Charges doesn't make one a criminal until proven guilty.

[@godlyskitz2141]

City could get relegated and will still come back and win the Prem before United 😂

[@declangaming24]

Depends if the relegation took them down the star players would leave championship some would stay

[@andrewazur8629]

And then i will respect them but now I don't respect them

[@troytheboy1985]

​@@declangaming24it be like uvay they go down come back up and win it

[@trz678y]

How do you no that?

[@toddg_0.0_]

​@@andrewazur8629Who told you Mancity need your respect???😂😂lol

[@Gigity1107]

Juventus got knocked back a couple of divisions for bribing officials. Rangers got set back 3 divisions for financial irregularity. They are both big teams in their leagues and they both came back. So it wouldn't be unprecedented if city were as well.

[@yofinance1777]

Dirty Oil Money, no class and no shame!

[@1574john]

Let’s look at American corporations and their moral compasses before we complain about oil money 😂

[@chayfebruary9252]

Dirty oil money! Already I know your views without you even mentioning them

[@PavelDurov21]

Why is oil money dirty? United spend more money than any club in the world & are utter garbage.

[@yofinance1777]

@@1574john Agree. Goldman Sachs being no 1

[@Shad0wKi11]

If you use oil you can't say that and not be a hypocrite.

[@gedsoft3793]

The closest situation I know of was in Australian rugby league, where Melbourne Storm were stripped of multiple titles for salary cap breaches. There have been other punishments in Australia in both the NRL and AFL for financial cheating, also for systematic doping regimes. Just saying, it is possible to deal with these situations, if the governing body has enough courage.

[@colblue1030]

That’s so hypocritical coming from a supporter of a club who welcomed huge amounts of sponsors in the past that financed many title wins! 😢

[@DavyMagowan]

Mate he's the man city of social media puts anything on to line his own pockets

[@shaneoconnell3060]

But United did this legally? There’s a difference mate.

[@colin...101]

Yes and all above board. Their success equalled money their huge attendances equalled money. City had no success no huge attendances.....just got lucky with oil money , then success then attendances. UTFT👍

[@theletsplayer4921]

​@@shaneoconnell3060because they had no ffp to deal with give Ferguson ffp when he starts he flopps

[@vickalessa]

exactly. well hypocrites are everywhere

[@Cross-sd1fd]

If you love football you should want city to get relegated/title stripped, you should be angry with every single point they have stolen from your club. Saying "they'll get away with it" just means you're fine with your own club suffering from city's anti-football operation.

[@babsrock1847]

Tired of hearing this, no action 😮

[@bernardbunting1684]

Might have to delete this stay humble mark 😂

[@raymondsywu]

Strip their titles and crown the runners up

[@villa_fan8882]

Arsenal fan by any chance! That’s the only way Arsenal can win the league. They can flap their way to winning by default!

[@dashawnballard52]

We not getting found gulity so that’s not happening

[@GamerFlair]

Nah. If they are guilty, sure, strip the titles. But don't give it to the runner ups, just void the title. As an Arsenal Fan, I don't want a title to be gained that way and I'm pretty sure Liverpool fans would feel the same.

[@Drunken_Horse]

​@GamerFlair - Not the way I'd want Liverpool to get titles but it's what happens in the Olympics with drugs cheats. Unless you award the titles to the team who were cheated out of a title the history books will always show the cheats name against that season

[@kevincarter2020]

You bought the judge too?

[@marcseigar6873]

If they’ve broken the rules, they should be punished appropriately. Put them in the National League

[@timou9000]

Tbh (and I am a united fan) the issue seems to boil down to "we're jealous because we have less money " I don't agree with ffp rules at all. If a billionaire decides what he wants to do is give a billion quid to a football club then surely it's his money he can do what he likes with it?

[@vince7207]

It's a matter of maintaining the integrity of competition. Something, that for the most part, the American sports leagues do well.

[@Amberle38]

It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else agrees with. The fact of the matter is ALL the clubs in the league agreed to those rules in order to take part. They may be trying to challenge some of them now in court, and some of them do need changing, but they have to abide by whatever rules are set by the PL. And City didn't, if the charges are upheld & they're found guilty.

[@theletsplayer4921]

​@@vince7207integrity went out when real Barcelona and united bullied uefa into makeing ffp

[@theletsplayer4921]

​@@Amberle38no 14 or more did witch a lot go with the big dogs to avoid makeing waves

[@19Paul91]

I think it just shows how amazing Liverpool did to compete and beat them when they did!

[@msaninyozekachilaza6051]

Nothing will happen to Man City mate

[@alanpotter3863]

I tend to agree, Money corrupts, the more money the more power to corrupt. The old saying; Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Business, politics, sport, where ever there's lots of money.

[@MpumiDineka]

Mark Goldbridge should be working at places like Sky Sports or Become a Journalist and so on. His analysis of football is spot on

[@morganheritage4122]

Nonsense

[@christianmuchui495]

Mark would take a WW3 for Mancity. Never seen a man hate a club so viciously.,,,He said league 2??!!?

[@1987simple1987]

Its not about hating City it is about loving football. What they have done ruins the sport we love no punishment is too harsh for them.

[@alexbasha0508]

I would say conference league.

[@christianmuchui495]

@@alexbasha0508 Probably not even relegation😂 I think in law, to accuse a whole sporting institution with that many charges its roughly similarly tough to find evidence for each charge Also the lawyers they've got

[@assegai7055]

​@@1987simple1987yeah the sport was better when united was dominating I'm sure u would love that

[@jasonravenjecainxu4581]

@@1987simple1987 Goldbridge loves foorball, what a joke.

[@35andyman]

Whatever happens it's sad for football that a country with an appalling record of human rights abuses and using slave labour was ever able to pass a fit and proper owner's test in the first place.

[@glennlawson9123]

Mark u carry on mate....ur a breath of fresh air with the way you talk about things wish u was still on talk sport 😂

[@TheBake1986]

He’d never get respect from being on Talksport, it’s just shock value clickbait ‘discussion’. Though he’s kind of doing that here too…

[@sbam4881]

Mancini himself (when he got into a bit of bother with the Italian tax authority) admitted that while manager at City, half his salary was paid by Abu Dhabi "sports" company w/o going through City's finances. Clearly, the wrongdoings are there. Whether they are found guilty of it, however, is another matter. Could be a whitewashing, technicality, statute of limitations, minor fine or whatever. We'll just have to wait and see.

[@twalu_tnt]

I've never clicked so fast 💀

[@LudwigvanBeethoventrue]

Same 💀

[@maverick729]

and wtf did you learn from this video? did man city get relegated? where tf does clownbridge gets his Information from? where are his sources.

[@bradleystirton6318]

City, if found guilty of all charges, should be given a rolling point deduction meaning the points wont wipe off at the end of the season, transfer embargo for 10 years, and immediate relegation out of the football league. However if they are found innocent then they have grounds to sue all media outlets and majority of premier league clubs (managers and players) who have complained about them publicly for defamation and finally the premier league for their part which could destroy football.

[@woodchopper1752]

Man city are a team even with a hypothetical 30 point deduction and still qualify for the champions league, getting 90+ points in a season is doable for them ,lets hope if they found guilty they will be relegated it is the only real sanction will have any kind of meaning.

[@keithbrandon3660]

We need a wage limit.

[@toddg_0.0_]

Lol😂😂😂united have the biggest wage bill

[@davidddddddddd]

Okay, you're on £10hr for life. Enjoy

[@AK-kz8pe]

Man City are the biggest draw for the Premier League now. The Premier League is the product and City, from a business sense, are its biggest USP. So, much as I would love to see them stripped of their titles and relegated, nothing will happen.

[@MeazurAli]

funny how mark mention money and you cant compete with man city cause of that and yet Yenited spent money and where is Yenited now?

[@FracturedParadigms]

Damage has been done now regardless of the outcome. Not a real club. Nothing like LFC.

[@theletsplayer4921]

Really citys fans never killed rivals and never bullied there own players online lfc is tin pot

[@oumuamua1963]

Is it fair Man U can do multiple rebuild after performing like a mid table club for years but leicester and Everton are in FFP trouble

[@scottyh1238]

At the end of the day, the verdict really doesn't change that much. The legal system is there to provide a punishment or not, it is not there to decide true guilt or innocence. Just because you had a good lawyer, or were good at covering your tracks, or lack of evidence and get let off for murder or robbery or whatever, doesn't mean you are not still a murderer, thief etc. It just means the legal system failed, which is a common occurrence in this day and age. If City get a guilty verdict in a court of law, it will confirm what everyone already knew, if they get a not guilty verdict then it won't change what everyone already knew either.

[@edmoss7952]

I agree with all of what you have said but the flaw in all of that is that if City get a not guilty verdict none of the moral hand wringing or snide comments will make any difference whatsoever. All this "heritage" "Spirit of the game stuff" is from a bygone era. All football is now is big business and when did any big business ever give a toss about about how their rivals felt about them? Asterisks may be of some comfort to fans when it come to online bragging rights but that's about as far as it goes. Football as an actual sport was dead and buried long before any of the City stuff this is merely the point where people can't kid themselves that it exists anymore.

[@scottyh1238]

@@edmoss7952 yes I agree with that actually, it’s sad if they get away with it in the eyes of the law because people will still claim the “innocent until proven guilty”. I think I’m just sick of it all and lost interest as a whole so at the point I couldn’t care less, we know the truth, as does every City fan. It doesn’t give the respective club or their players their moment back in trophies they should have won. But most of all, people and sporting fans more so, have an extremely short memory and even if given guilty verdict, will all be forgotten in a few months and nothing much will change.

[@Danny-bv6zv]

This is a ridiculous effort... for decades Man.Utd were the favoured team in the league, now they are in the doldrums... but they only have themselves to blame.

[@gonufc]

The part of this that annoys me is we've just had Mike Ashley prostitute our club doing the OPPOSITE of this (Sports Direct on everything for practically nothing) for 14 years and it wasn't an issue. So when it's actively HARMING a club it's fine, but when it benefits a club it becomes a problem? What about the protection of clubs? So again, it just protects whoever is at the top right now.

[@yogihightower]

Mike Ashley owns sports direct and he never paid a penny to Newcastle, absolutely nobody complained then. Goldbridge was begging qatar to buy man utd, if they had he wouldn't be saying this. Hypocrites everywhere

[@CarloTurner-vl7rl]

Funny how you worded your comment EXACTLY the same as the topless wonder Ms Gracia ??? .

[@CarloTurner-vl7rl]

Isn’t it so uncanny and so very strange how your Comment is EXACTLY word for word the same as another person on here ??? Ms Bing Gracia ??? .

[@krupeshpatel1905]

Why not, if it's not debt, let them spend

[@Brummy20199]

Premier League getting stale now. City winning it every season. Becoming a farmer league

[@BennyEggs...]

Like the 2000’s with united

[@EndertheWeek]

@@BennyEggs... or the '70's with Liverpool etc. etc. The way it should be, clubs come and go as part of a "fair" wave.

[@SnapMonster8]

It's not City's fault. City spent less than Man Utd & Chelsea. City even sold some good players to Arsenal & Chelsea

[@Brummy20199]

@@BennyEggs... Clubs was allowed to spend what there wanted back then. City could win the league for the next 30 years.

[@BennyEggs...]

@@Brummy20199 I'm not sure what you are telling me, I just said nothings changed it's the same as in the 2000s, the same team won the league every season near enough.

[@glaubs65]

Moralistically, if a football player is not happy enough with a million pounds a week then he and the whole game can go eff itself.

[@neilmiller6214]

PSR is totally flawed, Chelsea did what they wanted and inflated transfer fees for over a decade. Look at what city have done to that area of Manchester. PSR rules are outdated and must be changed, it is starting to damage the quality of the league. Although not as much as VAR is 😂 I am not a city fan either.

[@KHID-JR]

MARK GOLDBRIDGE MUST HE HAPPY.😂.

[@andrewazur8629]

We are all happy because it's only them with the allegations at the moment

[@ngonichadyiwa2151]

@@andrewazur8629😂at the end of the day Football is what beat the rest of the PL not money . Man City spent less and simply played better . All those charges are BS .

[@anvil9263]

The Man City trial should be like Depp and Ambers trial always live

[@alexsamuels1565]

they will win or maybe get ban for 2 transfers window and that it

[@farhad_s]

So basically it's either a broken Man City, or a broken Premier League

[@irrgignot5406]

“My team is already rich and no one should be able to spend as much as us.”

[@paddylast5839]

No every club should spend what they generate. Not pumping in unlimited oil money simple.

[@toddg_0.0_]

​@@paddylast5839 Well for City they are already set now😂😂

[@shuraamano]

115 fans crying