Man Travels Beyond The Physical After Suffering Fatal Heart Attack “NDE”

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@Dion_Mustard 2 ай бұрын

I am also a British man, and I too have experienced similar to this guy in the video except i wasn't dying. My Out of Body Experience happened during sleep state. I was 18 at the time. I am now 41 but I remember it so clearly. I remember separating from my physical body and leaving my bedroom window , and suddenly finding myself flying above a field. I could see the animals in the field and when I flew down to them they ran away. It felt more real than my waking reality. Eventually I flew back into my body and came round. It was AMAZING. I know it's real, and no I was not on drugs.

@howsitgrowin 2 ай бұрын

Interesting. You ever thought that possibly you stopped breathing in your sleep? Sleep Apnea is more then likely what caused my NDE.

@MuckoMan Ай бұрын

I used to leave my body when I was around 16 myself. I remember hearing a quick vacuum sucking sound every time i would fly out. Then one day it just stopped.

@isaacboihtlung3034 Ай бұрын

@@MuckoManso weird. Did you afraid?

@Dion_Mustard Ай бұрын

@@MuckoMan interesting. What do you recall about leaving your body .

@chriskilgariff1119 Ай бұрын

Either or either it happens in that state of mind or you can meditate yourself to astral travel. Next time feel for your lifeline at the back of your head. Don't get too excited 😂😂😮😅😊

@SpartanONegative 2 ай бұрын

When I was a ghost I didn't panic. I went to heaven first and then went back to earth. I stood next to my dad and myself for a minute. Probably would of been longer but my dad called out to God 3 times and the 3rd time I went back in to my body. Each time he called out to God I heard thunder ⛈️⚡ it was sunny out. I remember everything I saw in heaven. God Bless 🙏

@SeanOR0 2 ай бұрын

Wow, that's incredible, have you considered speaking about your experience on the channel?

@lexqbeanable 2 ай бұрын

Wow. That is powerful, your dad calling out to God and you hearing thunder.

@Kristy_not_Kristine 2 ай бұрын

I love hearing people's stories about the other side of the veil. I've never experienced anything like this, but my husband has. It makes me excited for that "final" adventure, when it comes. I just hope that i can live a life of love and service so that I'm prepared to meet God when that day comes❤

@jaysworld0007 2 ай бұрын

You and me both sweetheart.

@BlessedQ31 Ай бұрын

Some chick just called me selfish and mentally ill for having a interest in nde's

@jaysworld0007 Ай бұрын

@@BlessedQ31That's a very strange response to your interests. Are you sure she's not mentally ill? Maybe the topic just makes her uncomfortable. More than likely that's the case.

@BlessedQ31 Ай бұрын

@@jaysworld0007 she ended up blocking me but because I had a fascination with looking forward to the after life that I should seek help. It didn't bother me at all honestly. I know I'll be free from bondage once my time on earth is finish and I really look forward to that

@jaysworld0007 Ай бұрын

@@BlessedQ31I agree with you 💯. My wife is the most closed minded person I know. It makes extremely sad she doesn't believe in the afterlife or God. So trust me I more than understand the way you feel. Just please don't get in a hurry to find out what's on the other side. You seem like a kind open minded person. Stay that way, whatever is beyond will reward you. I believe it's Jesus Christ. But I don't force my beliefs on anyone.

@cdavis7231 2 ай бұрын

The miracle of life is in all of us.

@mothurston6400 2 ай бұрын

That is truly amazing and so beautiful brother!! I consider you so blessed to have experienced what life is ahead after our body has died.. I love hearing these stories, when I was younger at 10 years old, I lost my dad and that was the first time I’d ever seen a dead body. That picture of my father still seems surreal and like it didn’t even happen. Because it’s like where is he, is he okay? Those were the questions I had as a young child. It always made me fear when my death would come. For many years after that, I was terrified of death and would actually have anxiety about it. I knew there was nothing I could do to stop it. I don’t feel that way anymore as I am now 50, I hear all these wonderful and beautiful stories about NDE’s and I am not afraid anymore. I know we all have a purpose, and life doesn’t end after our bodies give out. Sometimes I think it would be so nice not to feel any pain anymore because I live with it every day at the same time, I’m here for a reason. God has blessed me with such a beautiful and loving family, which is hard to think about leaving when it’s my time. Thank you so much for sharing. It helps so many people to hear these stories that they probably have no idea. No I don’t think it’s strange and I don’t think it’s unbelievable because it’s truly believable and it comforts me and so many others, I’m sure! Take care & God Bless!! 🙏🏽💯💯☺️

@The-Lucky-Clover 2 ай бұрын

I am so sorry for your loss and that your experience was so frightening for you. I know he would not have wanted you to be scared, or sad. May God bless you and keep you.

@louiselinton2845 2 ай бұрын

It would be wonderful if all humans behaved like one close loving family and cared for each other and all life on our beautiful planet. We are all One.

@hbonato17 2 ай бұрын

That's true! We are all One and just one big family ❤

@LOVEISTRUTH300 Ай бұрын

LOVE💖💖💖 I think about this a lot.

@austinlamons3729 Ай бұрын

That's the plan 👌 😌

@ChicSalonLady Ай бұрын

What a gentle soul. This was very soothing. And comforting.

@v0yager40 2 ай бұрын

The impression I got from my NDE-like experience is that only one consciousness truly exists and once it became self-aware it imagined what it would be like if there were others like itself who it could interact with. It thought "I want to know love" and transformed itself from a singular consciousness to plural consciousness to explore every possibility of that desire.

@ktall6749 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like the Bible.

@jennabryson 2 ай бұрын

Well described! It’s like Carl Sagan’s idea that we are the universe becoming aware of itself. It makes sense! Logically and spiritually. The way I see it, we are each a tiny piece of source playing with itself in the sandbox of planet Earth.

@drikali 2 ай бұрын

Yes. A few days ago, this exact thought 'came' to me. The bigger I wanted to experience love and split itself into every possibility to experience finding it.

@davidhalsall2100 2 ай бұрын

Yeh but how does the single conscious even know what love is for it to think it wants to feel love? If it's never experienced it and it doesn't have someone to ask then it can never know so I don't think this is correct

@YOUARESOFT. 2 ай бұрын

@@davidhalsall2100 everything has experienced love and knows what it is in some form

@husnaserally6213 2 ай бұрын

I wana all the world know about what u. Say. Its vry vry precious. bcoz religions is a barrier here on this world so sad they fight for nothing make a mess in this world .......i deeply appreciated what u r sharing here ..a vry longtime i eana tell everyone tht with out having an nde experience....fanx u..

@totoroben 2 ай бұрын

Wake up babe new nde just dropped

@materialmirage 2 ай бұрын

Babe sure is sleepy.

@carmencarp3594 2 ай бұрын

You are spot on every time I meditate and chant on my ring camera to my spirit team. love and light strong and bright. We are all one unite , a bunch orbs start to come out. It's very beautiful and healing 🫧❤️

@lexqbeanable 2 ай бұрын

Wow

@postscript5549 Ай бұрын

Thank you for saying ocean of peace. Peace be with us.

@discospiders 2 ай бұрын

Beautiful.

@postscript5549 Ай бұрын

I stumbled upon this stumbling presentation and found it quite interesting. I loved the hopeful ending: we all are one. My mind was largely subsumed by the horrors of the current wars. The message of one human and spiritual world is a peaceful one. Peace be with us.

@Naturespalette333 2 ай бұрын

Amazing Story, so Interesting

@jchow5966 2 ай бұрын

Thank you. ☮️

@hughtempleton8640 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your amazing NDE ❤️

@high16200 2 ай бұрын

Thank you sir! for sharing your amazing experience and I agree we are all one no matter what race or color we are all together as one.🙏🙏💙💙

@garymoon6230 2 ай бұрын

Looks like a strange way to exist after death,An orb of energy containing everything from that life,Must be a point to it all in the end I suppose.

@Dion_Mustard 2 ай бұрын

You won't understand until you leave the physical body.

@shirleyhiggins603 2 ай бұрын

I am a shamanic healer. One of the first things I learnt is that nobody's special, just like he says. We are of equal spiritual value/weight.

@rebeccaLIATM 2 ай бұрын

Beautiful story and message. Thank you for sharing!

@Garrett0329 2 ай бұрын

Holy cow I love your interpretation. Was very similar to what I experienced. But I didn’t know you can see the person’s life in their orb. I just saw countless orbs. I was wondering what the heck they were doing just floating there. Now I know! Thanks man 🙏

@UltimateGoldenGirl 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing these amazing stories.

@deepredson Ай бұрын

Yes. Smiles to you

@norituk9824 Ай бұрын

Very interesting testimony. Thanks for sharing.

@helsbels2582 Ай бұрын

There are two worlds. One that is wonderous, heaven. The other that is disastrous, earth.

@mrdangiles90 2 ай бұрын

I hope there is something greater beyond "this"

@Dion_Mustard 2 ай бұрын

There absolutely is. I have experienced it.

@YOUARESOFT. 2 ай бұрын

YOU would know the truth if you studied NDE's

@Djohnson89 Ай бұрын

Me too

@youaresoft-ee4ub Ай бұрын

if you studied more NDE's you would already know there is...

@georgemichael2844 25 күн бұрын

I'm 65 when I was a young teen. I had a very bad fever. Pop rushed me to an emergency center in Ocean City, Maryland.They administered the largest dose of antibiotics in my hip. That evening, sweeting in my sleep, I felt myself leave my body. I was a few feet above my body. I saw a bright light. As i looked back at my body. Then it was like I was dropped back in my body.

@JimHabash Ай бұрын

Everyone i know personally who died, ( I worked nationally in cath labs) all said they regret coming back. Some felt duped, some felt that unresolved attachments to earth or loved ones on it pulled them back into the physical world. Could be we are in a prison- lets be real - it is a place where all the animals eat each other. Nothing personal, its just business. But we gotta eat, live, etc- in order to make more of us. Even the sex drives makes us create more of us. I dont remember asking to come here. Or asking to get chronic Lyme. The place is a parasitical garden designed for suffering. I dont even blame other humans for what they do to each other, its just business. Nothing personal. Look at natural disasters, disease. Even the mighty Lion gets tossed out of the pride, dies of disease and starvation alone- to be eaten by the hyenas. Lets be practical, are we even from around here? From an engineering standpoint, humans cannot even exist here without manipulating their environment. All the natural evolved animals come out of their mon and are up and walking. A human baby take 5-6 and nearly kills its mother during childbirth, until recent medical advancements. We were put here. For what ? The animals that evolved here naturally have no problems whatsoever and hit the gound running. I dont' see Apes driving cars or other animals evolving to intelligence like we did. Because eT or something tinkered with the native hominids and made us what we are.

@TammyTravelsTheWorld 17 күн бұрын

This really resonates with me and I agree with you. I don’t think we’re the native species and we are quite possibly hybrids.

@JimHabash 16 күн бұрын

@@TammyTravelsTheWorld yes tammY Travel, we seem to be outliers here- and didn't come by it naturally.

@BrianP-bh1vo 27 күн бұрын

We are all One. We are all God.

@BeatleGeuse_ Ай бұрын

One thing that I learned recently is that you don't need to die to experience what they call NDE. It's possible to project your conscience out of the body. It's possible to do it through lucid dreams, through specific physical exercises and much more. I do think at some point we'll have eletronic devices to help us on that. Pay attention that leaving the body is not the same as astral projection, because astral projection you're just a viewer. Leaving the body you actually interact and meet others in the spiritual world.

@biglifehawaiiisland 24 күн бұрын

In a dream state of mind or possibly a dream scape platform. I went somewhere; a beautiful place with beautiful dark people with the brightest smiles and it smelled nice like the flowers of home I’m from Hawaii and everyone who ever that’s is cause there was many but it only seem like a few I don’t know how to describe the feeling of the actual beings cause they had body’s and were making drinks in these little carts out of flowers it was so delicious but they were just the happiest smilest people but I had no physical body in the moment I don’t recall me being in a physical shape they were though and there was an area that they said I could not go to yet , it was a vast plain with blue water and a mountain maybe and I didn’t ask cause there was no urge to ask anything I was there for may 15 , 20 seconds .

@biglifehawaiiisland 24 күн бұрын

I also had an experience that my beautiful kitty led me towards puhi my kitty disappeared one day I think the neighbors dog got her it was tragic to lose her n not know what happened by who I was heart broken n sad n she came to me in my heart in my third eye my cat eye she said and showed me the third eye feeling of pure joy that’s What she is put joy she showed me I have tried to get back there it literally only lasted for 3 seconds n even when I think about it it’s this heavy to release feeling I still miss her n feel pain but it teaches me and reminds me to remember the joy she brought to my heart when she was in physical form and I miss her n I’m so excited to see her when the time comes and the crazy things I think like yesterday I had a thought that Jesus will be caring her in his arms when he arrives 😅 n I’m actually not even religious i just know stuff,n all of this from a little sick kitty we decided to help who lifted my heart my mind my soul my strength my wisdom my love my joy for life I was very depressed at the time she s just continued to love and mentor me she’s literally pure joy there’s no other way to explain

@JohnMartim-sy9yf Ай бұрын

I had an (N)DE experience and God showed me the wonderful mystery of Christ! It seems unbelievable, doesn't it? But that's just how it seems!

@beautilfuldoveonearth5447 2 ай бұрын

The soul knows when we go

@YOUARESOFT. 2 ай бұрын

fact

@vickie30 15 күн бұрын

I think it just your self conscious because you are really not dead…I had it at 10 yrs old..God wasn’t even in my thoughts but I remember that I had to go back into my body…

@Dotehhbn 13 күн бұрын

We exist when they sleep and they exist when we sleep

@janmanke6761 Ай бұрын

I have a question. Why are all near-death experiences different? Do we go to different places? Do we see the people we love again? or is it all just in our heads? Have a nice day😀

@barnabasthecat7329 Ай бұрын

Exactly. I died and i came here. Im still dead. Would like to go back to my alive world. However ive been here almost 10 years . perhaps part of it is figureing it out....

@aaronkelley3865 Ай бұрын

I’m trying to figure out why some NDE’s claim that Christianity is “the way”, while other claim that it doesn’t matter.

@guybartlett9587 Ай бұрын

Collective consciousness

@argophagley5309 Ай бұрын

because christianity is an arrogant narrowminded self absorbed cult the way it is practiced. its book says it is gods word and inerrant and if you dont believe it, it says you are bound for destruction.. just like every good cult manifesto. 'our way vs everyone else'. most nde videos come from ppl selling either books, classes, readings, or religion. think... if there is a Source that made everything everywhere... and james webb's telescope is showing us just have HUGE the everything everywhere is... wouldnt it be logical to assume that the Source is rather infinite? can you fit infinity into a human brain, a book, a path.. .all so called holy books and religions are just culturally biased guesses at 'the Infinite'. also.. .of the 100 billion humans to have walked the earth.. how many christians do you think there were? would a loving GOD set up a system by which the vast majority of life ends up suffering torment forever simply for worshiping the 'wrong' god? christianity is lunacy that is blindly accepted.

@lilynewss 2 ай бұрын

Please can I ask the editors of these wonderful videos to not put the song on the end , I love listening to these back to back as I go to sleep and the music at the end wakes me up. I'd much appreciate it. Maybe others feel the same

@oliviacheechoo351 2 ай бұрын

When we go to the other side. Are our passed family members still our family there? Or is this life right now all we got then that’s done..our time with them? Or do we just go back to being souls who will be getting ready to go on another mission to earth with a new life. Hmm this bugs me it really does

@argophagley5309 2 ай бұрын

so stop worrying. you have zero control over what happens if anything after you die.

@BroNku Ай бұрын

There's a God in Heaven the Creator of the Heaven and Earth. He loves us so dearly and wants us to know that while we still have life in our lungs. All we need to do for ourselves is to repent and accept him as our Lord and Savior. For there's life after death ☠️

@alien6551 Ай бұрын

Why do nde always write a book

@kellysouter4381 2 ай бұрын

It sounds a bit rude to nose around in other people's lives.

@OskarTBrand 2 ай бұрын

The guy said very little

@carmencarp3594 2 ай бұрын

We are one and one is all. We are one and one is all 🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧❤️

@jimmyjennings4089 Ай бұрын

One thing I've found out is I couldn't ever have anything like what I've heard about NDE's by doing drugs, sorry but drugs are not nde like.

@BnmSdf-y2s 2 ай бұрын

Runolfsdottir Drive

@carmencarp3594 2 ай бұрын

🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧

@Jaybird-i1t Ай бұрын

I love these videos but 1997..2024. If this was mw I'd be telling everyone right away

@barbarianblood2316 2 ай бұрын

Something fishy w/ this one. Usually these seem completely genuine but this one doesn’t.

@1BrknHrtdRomeo 2 ай бұрын

In what way? Everything that was said seems to track.

@Kurt1969 2 ай бұрын

@@1BrknHrtdRomeo I agree, I didn't sense anything off with his experience?

@Shari-tt9qh 2 ай бұрын

Do you have a truth sensor?

@barbarianblood2316 2 ай бұрын

No truth sensor, just a feeling. I may be completely wrong.

@Santana_Art 2 ай бұрын

@@barbarianblood2316no I sense his story is fake. Never heard of anyone ever predicting their NDE especially right beforehand. Just bizarre.

@ZoeyJay-e9n 2 ай бұрын

Near death experience… being on this earth is an experience by itself……

@Bluemoon2000x Ай бұрын

These ndes sound like a acid trip

@kurtthewicked9009 Ай бұрын

Orbs? This sounds like some Looney Tunes.

@robertcolacino7310 Ай бұрын

You’ll Find out soon enough

@guybartlett9587 Ай бұрын

I watched a KZbin nde he ended up reading out of the Bible ?! That's heaven? No thanks...

@royab5770 Ай бұрын

I hope this author has investigated the Bahá’í Faith and its teachings by now… because Baha’u’llah (the prophet/founder) teaches exactly what he’s saying: all existence is indeed One, and all “religions” progressively reveal the truths about existence (and are thus also One). God has been telling humanity these truths for millennia - through “messengers” like Krishna, Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, and Baha’u’llah - yet we humans mess it all up every time, turning religion into ways to control and hurt others. So God sends more guidance, and the cycle begins again. However, Baha’u’llah’s teachings are meant for the entire planet for thousands of years into the future - and by exploring and following them, this pained earth will slowly transform. But it takes each of us to do our part.

@royab5770 Ай бұрын

Baha’u’llah also reveals more about the state of the soul after bodily death than any other Messenger of God has been able to do so far (due to humanity’s inability to comprehend). His writings on the subject are THRILLING

@argophagley5309 Ай бұрын

@@royab5770 no thank you. GOD is infinite. anyone claiming to know what GOD is or does or wants is peddling religion. you cannot fit infinity into the human mind or a book or a faith. you just have a culturally biased path.. .as do we all.

@royab5770 Ай бұрын

@@argophagley5309 well, Baha’u’llah reflects exactly what you said: “God” is an Unknowable Essence, completely beyond our capacity to understand. The only way we can get any clue is through these “manifestations” or messengers. By the way, they didn’t reveal these teachings to us in order to create a “religion” or a group of followers like it’s a club. They sacrificed their own lives to help us transform as individuals, and thus to transform society. You don’t have to “join” a “religion” in order to transform spiritually.

@argophagley5309 Ай бұрын

@@royab5770 no thank you. while i agree that spiritual transformation is profoundly more important than initiation into any path... by joining 'bahai ' as an adherent to its teachings you have in fact initiated into religion. i am a spiritual ronin. i have no master. i have no book. i have no church.. and my GOD is beyond human comprehension. i have a cultural avatar or focus for GOD but it is just that... a focus. i have my core truths to which i have sewn all that is truth to me from every path ive walked in 61 years. i have no rites, no rituals though i do things weekly to show my appreciation to spirit. i have no hymns, no formal prayers... but i have my faith and a very personal walk with that which made me. i know why i am here, for how long i will be here.. i have direction, purpose and meaning... and it only took me til my 58th year to find all this at the cost of losing everyone i loved and my self identity. . and i am finally free.

@Postoasted 2 ай бұрын

When you die "FOR KEEPS", the "REAL" you the soul either ends up in Hell or Heaven. If you want to end up in Heaven and partake of the many blessings God has in store for those who believe Him, then you must pray the following with conviction: "Dear God in heaven, I come to you in the name of Jesus. I acknowledge to You that I am a sinner, and I am sorry for my sins and the life that I have lived; I need your forgiveness. I believe that your only begotten Son Jesus Christ shed His precious blood on the cross at Calvary and died for my sins, and I am now willing to turn from my sin. You said in the bible that if we confess the Lord our God and believe in our hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead, we shall be saved. Right now I confess Jesus as my Lord. With my heart, I believe that God raised Jesus from the dead. This very moment I accept Jesus Christ as my own personal Savior and according to His Word, right now I am saved. Amen."

@pspringsteen100 Ай бұрын

Are saying you have authority to know what is right and what is wrong? Only the Son of the Sun knows and even he did not cast a stone at the woman who was accused of adultery.

@MariGolds2 Ай бұрын

A lot of ideas but not much of the experience

@marypalmer1062 2 ай бұрын

As a Buddhist, we aren't supposed to talk about this, but you saw emptiness directly when you left your body. Know that.

@precious5663 2 ай бұрын

Don't talk about it.

@argophagley5309 2 ай бұрын

@@precious5663 stop talking about it!!!

@eddyeffy 2 ай бұрын

These people giving accounts of their NDE are taking big risk, cuz when you understand the nature of this system somethings are best left to you.

@argophagley5309 2 ай бұрын

@@eddyeffy the only 'risk' they are taking is ridicule and scorn. you have a dream while under extreme duress and share it. that is not going to conjure slenderman or some goblin to eat your brain while you sleep as punishment for divulging mystical secrets or something. people need to stop propagating fear.

@Djohnson89 Ай бұрын

Mooji says it all the time and the observer is the observed 💯

@terryh5763 Ай бұрын

1997??? are any of these stories current???

@Yo-Two Ай бұрын

Is this a god channel?

@JohnDoeJL 2 ай бұрын

Another nde-businessman, still waiting for someone who doesn't make money on their stories. Is that too much to ask or is selling books and stuff, to make money is the meaning of life? Given everyone does it after an nde...

@OttoNommik 2 ай бұрын

What an idiotic statement. You should put yourself in their shoes

@emeraldcoastgardensfl7323 2 ай бұрын

Keep looking. There are quite a few. And by the way, if you are looking to make a living, there are many easier ways to make money, than being a self published author, sharing very taboo topics😝😆

@viz2790 2 ай бұрын

Money is part of life, his soul is still on Earth, sooo why wouldn’t he want to make a bit of income from an NDE? I was able to watch this video for free…so I don’t know what you’re rambling about?? 🤷🏼‍♂️

@sugargliderdude 2 ай бұрын

there are thousands of them.

@JohnDoeJL 2 ай бұрын

@@emeraldcoastgardensfl7323 I'm really struggling to see any examples though, so let me know if you have any specific names I could check out. I think writing books and coaching can be quite lucrative and not the toughest job there is, I've seen some of the fees some ex-nde-ers charge for their lectures and coaching and they weren't small. If I had some knowledge like this I would want to share it for free, not make money off of it. Sharing here on yt is sort of free, but it boosts the sales of their books too and they often advertise them directly. Even if not, someone who likes the story will search their name and see a book on amazon in the first results. I'd love to believe in what they say, but not trusting anyone who makes a profit from what they say.

@justyne8627 2 ай бұрын

whatever

@argophagley5309 2 ай бұрын

another book seller. lol. shocking.

@hectorlamar806 2 ай бұрын

"Wonderful planet"??? LOL. This place is a prison.

@youaresoft-ee4ub 2 ай бұрын

make a change... its not too late for you... this is your wakeup call. i am your wakeup call

@stevealdridge9720 2 ай бұрын

COMPLETE NONSENSE

@AndrewDrewJamison 2 ай бұрын

Cant blame him. I could probably never put into words being catapulted into another dimension then sent back like nothing even happened

@amyhudson1016 2 ай бұрын

Why are you here then? Don’t click

@youaresoft-ee4ub 2 ай бұрын

desperation is a stinky cologne. you would understand if you studied NDE's more in depth

@stevealdridge9720 2 ай бұрын

@@youaresoft-ee4ub they have studied NDE's for over 50 years and concluded "IT'S NONSENSE" That's Scientists by the way, not Looney theorists

@argophagley5309 2 ай бұрын

@@stevealdridge9720 'science' once thought the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun was perfect and blemish free. 'science' once thought sickness came from demons and bad 'humors' in the blood that required leeching. todays fiction is tomorrows fact... and vice versa.