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Dr. Helen Fisher: 4 Personality Types in Men

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Күн бұрын

Dr. Helen Fisher discusses the four personality types in men and women and how they affect relationships.

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@20starcombomaker
@20starcombomaker 12 жыл бұрын
I like the end statement that you made, "Most men will move heaven and earth to provide". Because its true and commonly underestimated the strength men have when careing for the women we love
@2CSST2
@2CSST2 Жыл бұрын
I am talking to a man from 10 years in the past. My tip: Get ready for 2020 and the years after, things will get crazy
@20starcombomaker
@20starcombomaker Жыл бұрын
@@2CSST2 lol actually while the rest of the world struggled, I havent really even effected. Also I'm asymptomatic, I've never suffered covid, I haven't lost anyone from it, etc.
@moniquemosley2122
@moniquemosley2122 2 жыл бұрын
The background music is really distracting from this very informative expert.
@TheEppi3
@TheEppi3 2 жыл бұрын
When I heard that men are not all the same, I felt for a moment very relieved and understood.
@jaimel-y4112
@jaimel-y4112 8 жыл бұрын
Well my aunt & uncle have been married for 50 years with three kids. She is the classic Negotiator (compassionate, communicative, teacher/soccer mom) to his Director (logical, organized, detail-oriented engineer).
@EllysaE
@EllysaE 3 жыл бұрын
My parents lol
@MrMarkmd
@MrMarkmd 9 жыл бұрын
I believe that we all need LOVE to function properly!Just my opinion!
@treatshow900
@treatshow900 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so very much! I felt so discouraged with my relationship, love etc. porn and women every man I’ve been with has enjoyed and continues to hide it 😞 it has made me feel as though it’s not real to be loved. Thank you for saying this ❤
@SpookGod
@SpookGod 11 жыл бұрын
I think its a society problem, actually, not a gender one. I've observed similar problems in both men and women. Many people in general are simply selfish and have little compassion for others as long as they benefit themselves. I can't speak for other places but this does seem prominent in the US.
@wagnerwagen2433
@wagnerwagen2433 11 жыл бұрын
Since monogamy is a social construction, for the people who follow it, yes it's natural, doesn't mean also that polygamy is unnatural. I prefer to believe and follow monogamy since it's simpler and better in my opinion.
@hardcore7155
@hardcore7155 14 күн бұрын
very true. no such thing as unatural. the individual decides for himself what suits him best
@52111centrumcz
@52111centrumcz 11 жыл бұрын
100 years ago....and in most of the world it still works on that basis.
@Waveland112
@Waveland112 12 жыл бұрын
As you've stated before Dr Fisher, pair bonding only lasts 3.5 years. This has been going on since the Pleistocene.
@MicheleRubatino
@MicheleRubatino 10 жыл бұрын
I do not know of any parents that hope their child finds another parent, and comes home to declare, "I found new parents, you're out and they are in." Hence, where the words "until death us do part" comes into view. So I definitely agree we are monogamous creatures. I also do not know people that care more for the dog their neighbor owns than their own. I think many are confused with the word monogamy, we all seek it, whether it's our parents, our siblings, our pets, or our community. No one likes a cheating leader! As for a mate, oh yes, we do seek to find the "love of our life!" In fact we will leave a spouse if we should find them later! Driving us towards monogamy again!
@coresofty
@coresofty 10 жыл бұрын
That would be ideal as it was like that with divorces in the Middle East in the past before the much newer permanent divorce laws.
@oscarrivas7240
@oscarrivas7240 Жыл бұрын
You last statement about finding the love of your life, and leaving your spouse, completely contradicts your statement about “until death do us part”. What is it? Commit or don’t commit?
@veralehmann2178
@veralehmann2178 5 жыл бұрын
What about men with a personality disorder. Surely there's many. Please give us a video about men and women with these disorders. Educate us some more, with your insights. In your studies it must have come up.
@nestorrfortuna1
@nestorrfortuna1 9 жыл бұрын
astrology with a doctorate
@FloridaRaider
@FloridaRaider Жыл бұрын
Appreciated. Always wondered why I was drawn to women much different than me
@katja6332
@katja6332 2 жыл бұрын
If you know more about her four types, we all have all four of them, it's just some are more prominent than others,.. Hence it the mix. And the background music is annoying and distracting.
@TurboPepsi
@TurboPepsi 8 жыл бұрын
Dr. Helen have you tied these 4 types of men to Jung's personality types? I'm curious to know,
@archstanton3022
@archstanton3022 10 жыл бұрын
MBTI/Jung's cognitive functions system is a way better personality type system, than hers. I'm all 4 of these types, depending on my mood.
@hitty9
@hitty9 3 жыл бұрын
And a blowhard
@shootatsquare
@shootatsquare 3 жыл бұрын
In her book she points out you can be all four, because they arent personality types. Literally just reflections of your brain's chemical makeup
@maddi3787
@maddi3787 2 жыл бұрын
....MBTI is also very heavily based on your emotions/situation at the time. I know your comment is old and you probably know this by now, but I just wanna clarify/add-on that the MBTI test is also heavily flawed.
@Susan-fg3nv
@Susan-fg3nv Ай бұрын
Coffee date and test. I seriously like builder and director type.
@adrianthompson901
@adrianthompson901 10 жыл бұрын
She is so real
@mariotovar8285
@mariotovar8285 2 жыл бұрын
''One of the main characteristics of men is the drive to be needed''.
@saultube44
@saultube44 10 жыл бұрын
You're so right about me Dr. Thank you very much for you scientific analysis about it
@katibrownshire8153
@katibrownshire8153 9 жыл бұрын
Explorer-SP, Builder-SJ, Director-NT, Negotiator-NF. She just gave different names to MBTI temperaments, and linked them to certain chemicals in the brain.
@MrKarlsson97
@MrKarlsson97 9 жыл бұрын
Not the MBTI temperament. Keirseys temperaments. It's different.
@diidddiiz7214
@diidddiiz7214 8 жыл бұрын
+Kati Brownshire mbti=garbage
@katja6332
@katja6332 2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy, why you Myers Briggs people try to fit everything in your bloody system? 🤣
@RelaxCreatorMary
@RelaxCreatorMary 12 жыл бұрын
hhmm yes,what about their characters and - faithfulness,sexism(or rationallize),and aggressiveness(violence) ........we have to know please can you tell me??Thanks! :) ITS IMPORTANT!!!!
@ivan.tucakov
@ivan.tucakov 9 жыл бұрын
Dear Helen, you said in your TED talk that human brains are wired to be in love in three, different and independent ways, with multiple people. With that in consideration, I am very confused about your take on monogamy.
@lanceedain8617
@lanceedain8617 4 жыл бұрын
Very good. I'm going to take the test now.
@loveobviously
@loveobviously 6 жыл бұрын
The four different types of personalities you describe for men. Are part of the Myers-Briggs 16 personality types
@joshuabrande2417
@joshuabrande2417 4 жыл бұрын
Wow!, could you get a little closer to the camera?
@VASI_LIKI
@VASI_LIKI 9 жыл бұрын
Does she elaborate anywhere on the detailed chemistry of the dopamine system, etc as opposed to just talking about the psychology aspect.
@DrequimaX
@DrequimaX 11 жыл бұрын
She explained what she has found.... why are u getting angry.... ?
@natalinaconidi6313
@natalinaconidi6313 Жыл бұрын
Venus in acquarious in the 8th/9th house..it's quite a challenge.
@cherubicnerd
@cherubicnerd 12 жыл бұрын
the fact that she sums up billions of human beings with four(!) personalities...
@lawrence18uk
@lawrence18uk 7 жыл бұрын
One could say "Men are all the same" - because which ever type of WOMAN you are, you will tend to choose the same type of man - hence, all your men do look the same....
@brendanbirdfield1284
@brendanbirdfield1284 9 жыл бұрын
is this based on any actual research behind it
@shortnanxious6088
@shortnanxious6088 7 жыл бұрын
I have always wondered if humans were monogamous by nature. I do believe that we are, if you look at how humans and even apes have a stronge ties between a male and his favorite female, and vice versa, they stick together as long as possible, when all others leave because they form these intense emotional bonds. look how cave men lived, laws of ancient Egypt, Greece, Native Americans, Myans, the Chinese and even in ancient African and middle eastern cultures (where cheating spouses could be killed or lose limbs...even sultan had the men protecting the harem castrated to prevent emotions or sex between the help and the wives and even sultans could choose one wife or had a special favorite) , there were always laws about relationships, infidelity and marriages. Religions all over the world, have descriptions and explanations of relationships marriage and rules against infidelity. all Countries in modern times have laws, requirements and punishments, for marriages, infidelity and definitions of relationships and marriages, even tribes of people in Africa. these laws and religious descriptions didn't come from no where... laws and beliefs are driven by a common thinking of the general population of people in an area or country, since these laws and religious have been with humanity since the beginning and societies of people all over the world feel and think the same way about Monogamy ... it really is proof that monogamy and long life bonds are part of human nature...not just culture a society ...those are all actually formed by common human behavior.
@shanna02201
@shanna02201 8 жыл бұрын
Errr, I told my boyfriend he *needed* love and he did not provide. LOL
@Jhorak101
@Jhorak101 4 жыл бұрын
Very good information.
@jgonsalk
@jgonsalk 12 жыл бұрын
@agony203 Read her book and pay proper attention. She claims that we do cheat very frequently and it's not one person for life.
@massimo7219
@massimo7219 6 жыл бұрын
Great video Dr. !
@raijin6918
@raijin6918 7 жыл бұрын
I would say I fit somewhere between type 2 & 3 but 3 more than 2. Logical, methodical and usually seek out someone somewhat similar but a bit more of my opposite, to me that's balance. More specifically if you're into the MBTI 16 personalties types of data I am a ENTJ-P this would describe me probably flawlessly.
@abnvella7527
@abnvella7527 6 ай бұрын
Me infj
@OldToughDW
@OldToughDW 7 жыл бұрын
Somehow I don't agree with Dr. Helen Fisher; she references things that are Biology and Medicine, so the studies, if they exist, would be in peer review journals. But there are no citations. She is a psychologist. A psychiatrist has a background in medicine, but a psychologist doesn't. Even a 1st year psychology student knows the four types she merely renamed Ptolemy's "choleric, sanguine, phlegmatic, and melancholy," I recognized them from the descriptions. Past behavior is always the best predictor of future behavior (from Psych. 101) So, I predict she will take basics of psychology and reinvent them so they make her sound far more qualified than she actually is. Or "once a liar then always a liar" as my Grandfather used to say. He said the same about deceivers too.
@OldToughDW
@OldToughDW 7 жыл бұрын
One correction she is a Biological Anthropologist, still not qualified as a doctor of medicine or a psychologist, but she talks about psychology and Endocrinology as if she is an expert and I still can't find the studies she supposedly used. My opinion of her just went down too. I surveyed Anthropology classes while in college and they have some really screwed up ideas and theories, which I think are based more in wishful thinking than science.
@dakielster
@dakielster 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent critical thinking! I admire your ability and whish I could examine everything as razor sharp as you.
@OldToughDW
@OldToughDW 7 жыл бұрын
dakielster It is a curse as much as a blessing. Depends on my audience, how it is received.
@mmestari
@mmestari 6 жыл бұрын
You might be right. But where do you expect to have these citations? This is a youtube video, not a research paper.
@katja6332
@katja6332 2 жыл бұрын
She's an biological anthropologist. Look at the right journals (for example Journal if Comparative Neurology, Journal of Forensic Sciences, Neuroendocronolgy Letters, Cerebrum etc. ) and read her six books. Lol. She's a researcher at the Kinsey Institute, Indiana University and a member of the center for human evolutionary studies at Rutgers University. Her colleague was Dr Lucy Brown. Together they put over 75 people into a brain scanner (fMRI), which back then was top of the notch science. She received her PhD in physical anthropology. Hence she has professional knowledge about brain chemistry and neurochemistry. Maybe you should look up physical anthropology instead of confusing it with anthropology. Boy, do your research before you start to complain about her being unscientific. Lol Shall I add that her publication about the fMRI scans was chosen as one of the best 100 academic articles of 2010…?
@mytmouse57
@mytmouse57 6 жыл бұрын
Men pair up with one woman because we can remember only one birthday, anniversary and Valentines Day card at a time.
@eleanordavies9815
@eleanordavies9815 Ай бұрын
😂
@DeadCat-42
@DeadCat-42 11 күн бұрын
Like most guys I know I started out looking for a good women to love and have a relationship with. Now like most guys I have given up trying , women treat men like disposable utilities, and don't want an average guy with and average job. it's a strange game, the only winning move is not to play n
@Waveland112
@Waveland112 12 жыл бұрын
@ Aonexia: I'm quite sure she knows since she was the one who wrote about it.
@mmastroi
@mmastroi 10 жыл бұрын
we are semi- monogamous… this is evidenced by our the fact that a typical relationship involving a birth lasts on average of 4 years… just long enough to rear a child to an age appropriate for a single parent. not to mention true monogamy is one wife/sexual partner for life… also given the fact that we are more closely related to bonobos and chimps genetically speaking than the african elephant is to the indian elephant… and bonobos and chimps are not at all monogamous… I will have to disagree. your argument sucks.
@drishthesquish
@drishthesquish Жыл бұрын
Did I miss what the negotiator is?
@SEVENTHREEANDNINE
@SEVENTHREEANDNINE Ай бұрын
The music is intrusive
@keeferdiejesusreallovemeto3716
@keeferdiejesusreallovemeto3716 5 жыл бұрын
Helen. Have. Good. Day
@xlsyor
@xlsyor 10 жыл бұрын
Some wit remarked once that "Marriage(monogamy?) is popular because it combines the maximum of temptation with the maximum of opportunity.". Social monogamy quickly loses its meaning, at least for women I've met, plus a few outliers who were honest enough to come clean with me, when they aren't getting their bells rung often and/or loud enough. The western divorce rate speaks for itself.
@chochibo
@chochibo 10 жыл бұрын
You're amazing and inspiring, keep searching for answers and sharing your knowledge
@drimbesatsyed
@drimbesatsyed 4 ай бұрын
Swans, eagles, owls all penguins
@toneman335
@toneman335 6 жыл бұрын
Check the sound level of your mic. Had another video on that the voice was loud and then switched to your video ans almost couldn't hear you
@RoryCMahan
@RoryCMahan 11 жыл бұрын
Well you're just avoiding the wrong kind of people. Notice I said "people" because, while important to who we are, there are women who would do the same, gender does not define us. Helen Fisher understands this. Now I would appreciate if you would refrain from these sexist remarks and attempting to negatively homogenize me based on my gender because some PEOPLE who happened to be male stick out in your mind as particularly corrupt. Bigotry is always bad, no matter what direction it's going in.
@HafizH
@HafizH 8 жыл бұрын
I think this kind of personality typology is too generalized. We have to consider that personality types evolve over time and adapt to situation and context which includes culture and societal pressures. Categorizing men into 4 general personality types is akin to astrology and that other 'personality typology' i.e. MBTI. would like to make you think it is that simple but humans are very complex. Personality does not remain the same, people learn, shape and reshape their personality accordingly. People would like to think they are XYZ personality because it is empowering and increases motivation. Personality research has been over this over a period of decades and it is still ongoing and most psychologists agree there is no typology but merely facets that might remain and/or change.
@yellowblanka6058
@yellowblanka6058 6 жыл бұрын
This - most people are multi-faceted, and a man may be introverted, intellectual etc. early in life and become more extroverted/testosterone driven later in live, or the reverse and any combination in-between.
@salvadorq9123
@salvadorq9123 9 жыл бұрын
well i don't want to be needed either. i rather like a partner which i can do team with, not because she needs me but instead because we choose to. needy girls naaa, i call that scenario a codependency.
@gergemini2993
@gergemini2993 8 жыл бұрын
she didn't mention needy women.... she said that most "men want to feel needed" there is a difference
@salvadorq9123
@salvadorq9123 8 жыл бұрын
+GER GEMINI yes, most men, thats why i said me neither.
@Amaend8
@Amaend8 3 ай бұрын
Great
@jcazabal4004
@jcazabal4004 10 жыл бұрын
Respect...
@MecanicalEnd
@MecanicalEnd 8 жыл бұрын
You can't categorize personalities in groups like this based on hormones.
@yaztalks1
@yaztalks1 8 жыл бұрын
+Mikko Mikkonen why not ?
@happyhippie1957
@happyhippie1957 12 жыл бұрын
@Flouncy101 : I actually watched the full video, and she distinctly said that Directors do not look for some one just like them. I don't know if she' right, but I think you have an opportunity to do something many women never consider. You could tell the man exactly how you feel, and let him tell you what he thinks, and how he feels about it. Maybe a director doesn't want to have to deal with another director? Also, agony203 is about 16 years old, so don't listen to him.
@eugeniomagay4301
@eugeniomagay4301 6 жыл бұрын
You studied human personality and said there are 4 personalities for male Doc I only counted #1 just 1. women have 7 personalities while men have 1 only
@9P9T6
@9P9T6 12 жыл бұрын
Helen Fisher is rather cute herself.
@meowmeowmeowmeowmism
@meowmeowmeowmeowmism 9 жыл бұрын
Can you be a builder and a director? I feel I have the qualities of both.
@ThanasisVydouras
@ThanasisVydouras 4 жыл бұрын
Yes you can
@joseinbush
@joseinbush 13 жыл бұрын
@Flouncy101 : Flouncy101, unfortunately your relationship is set to fail. I am a Director type and there's one thing of woman that discourage us in favour to continue the relationship, it's the lack of "global vision" of the woman, the big picture as Helen said. So, enjoy his love while you are in the good time and try the learn something new from this.
@Puzzoozoo
@Puzzoozoo 12 жыл бұрын
How do you explain asexuals then?
@TheAdamlans
@TheAdamlans 11 жыл бұрын
nice vid. Can one be monogamous unnaturally?
@Zw1d
@Zw1d 11 жыл бұрын
"when they (men) can figure out what she needs" no one can fucking figure that out
@ankiewicz
@ankiewicz 10 жыл бұрын
I show plenty signs of each of these.... But, I am a bit rare...
@zedonutube
@zedonutube 10 жыл бұрын
thanks for that comment...I feel the same way too.
@CS-fz2iw
@CS-fz2iw 7 жыл бұрын
Here she states that all men are all four types to varying extents: kzbin.info/www/bejne/joOWgaJ_bKeZia8
@WilliamMouaChillingWok
@WilliamMouaChillingWok 12 жыл бұрын
She's hot. A woman who is actually people smart!!!
@ashry1760
@ashry1760 3 жыл бұрын
Nice talk, but music is annoying
@AllieBabable
@AllieBabable 12 жыл бұрын
Why is this in my recommendations? I have never watched anything remotely similar. I SWEAR.
@Aonexia
@Aonexia 12 жыл бұрын
@Waveland112 I wish she knew this simple fact...
@ModernWarrior_2.0
@ModernWarrior_2.0 3 жыл бұрын
Raising young is good for the kids. Marriage is not required, has nothing to do with "falling in love", and once kids are properly taken care of, nothing wrong with choosing another partner if either party wishes it.
@Dreadtheday
@Dreadtheday 12 жыл бұрын
I think it has been embedded by culture.
@TEAM-ME
@TEAM-ME 11 жыл бұрын
@NarisaTV Sadly, there are men who behave that way, but it's up to *us* to train other people how they must treat us. (And, yes, they need training) If they don't respond to that, it might be an idea to select a different set of males in your life. :-)
@falstocat
@falstocat 12 жыл бұрын
What about gay men and gay love? Why so heteronormative?
@tonykarrar7150
@tonykarrar7150 6 жыл бұрын
Achem.. molecular sociobiology says otherwise
@everyday234
@everyday234 4 жыл бұрын
monogamy..for how long?..it used to be until "death do us part" now its what 4 or 5 years?..and its now monogamy with benefits?..meaning sex outside the marriage is OK if you don't get caught?..or maybe its just "understood"?..at least by one of the parties..its not special..even birds do this..It used to be special..
@XieYali
@XieYali 11 жыл бұрын
What about gay men?
@DancingSpiderman
@DancingSpiderman 11 жыл бұрын
Hubba-Hubba, Helen ...
@cinsolidarity
@cinsolidarity 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like she's speaking from a place of assuring emotional people that monogamy is natural. She didn't really answer as a disinterested researcher giving her honest appraisal of biological data pointing to it as a fact. She basically said it's normal. Didn't make a quality biological case that it must be more natural than nonmonogamy.
@markusemmons6457
@markusemmons6457 7 жыл бұрын
I thought for sure she is a "dating expert ", or a sex therapist. You know. ..the hard jobs that are out there.
@blackforestkirsch7971
@blackforestkirsch7971 7 жыл бұрын
there are scientists who really make important contributions but nobody knows their name, and then there is this scientist who kinda is famous and talks bullshit all the time and invents a shitty one-dimensional "new" personality system. I'm done.
@lesterdiamond6190
@lesterdiamond6190 10 жыл бұрын
Sorry Doc, more and more guys are just sick to death of the narcissism and greed of today's women. If they can afford it, they just focus on their expensive hobbies and when they need and oil-change, they just stick with the rental units. YOU say "men want to be needed by a woman"... men think "if I wanted a pet I'd get a dog... a HUNTING dog".
@tothestars101
@tothestars101 10 жыл бұрын
Who hurt you?
@jamesconnolly5164
@jamesconnolly5164 10 жыл бұрын
You're wrong. She's just talking about biological drives. It's true. Men do want to be needed by a woman. Your status is based largely on what kind of utility you are. I'm not saying that's fair. But that's the way it is.
@lesterdiamond6190
@lesterdiamond6190 8 жыл бұрын
+Fok you.... go on, shout at the clouds some more.
@beebuzz959
@beebuzz959 5 жыл бұрын
You sound like someone who needs a women really bad but can't admit it to even yourself, probably because you've been hurt bad and can't trust. I hope things have gotten better for you!
@yellowblanka6058
@yellowblanka6058 6 жыл бұрын
"Men are all not alike"....it's sad that you needed to publishes a video to get that point across. It's almost like people have different personalities/interests and aren't all direct clones of one another!
@milahu
@milahu 7 жыл бұрын
helen fisher? should be: female water. 'builder' in her logic. water = long pointed nose. 'integrator' in 'deloitte business chemistry'. serotonin dominant. extreme old. grand mother. #alchi .. or: biophysics, physiognomy, body types.
@sergeunit
@sergeunit 6 жыл бұрын
mo·nog·a·my məˈnäɡəmē/Submit noun the practice or state of being married to one person at a time. the practice or state of having a sexual relationship with only one partner. ZOOLOGY the habit of having only one mate at a time.
@raybbaby
@raybbaby 7 жыл бұрын
LOL, Lost me at "Yes, we are monogamous". Zero credibility.
@shootatsquare
@shootatsquare 3 жыл бұрын
Shes got 5 minutes dude, not much time for sources. Read her book
@SkewedScience
@SkewedScience 6 жыл бұрын
I don't agree completely, but she seems to know where men belong (three words) and what they want.
@blueeyedog
@blueeyedog 9 жыл бұрын
He dating website is terrible
@BigFatSpoiler
@BigFatSpoiler 10 жыл бұрын
Yeeeeeaaaaaaah... not all men want to be needed... by a woman... *snap*
@firstnamelastname3516
@firstnamelastname3516 7 жыл бұрын
God made Adam and eve, man and woman were always meant to be
@ZombieChan84
@ZombieChan84 7 жыл бұрын
The only thing I am certain of after watching this video is...this lady has no clue what she is talking about. There are how many men on this planet? and you want to fit all of them into one of four boxes. You understand men about as much as most men understand women.
@JA-jm8bk
@JA-jm8bk Ай бұрын
Gay men belong next to a woman?? Trans women belong next to a (straight) woman??
@waedjradi
@waedjradi 6 жыл бұрын
Nah.
@TheArgosReed
@TheArgosReed 9 жыл бұрын
She said Dik.... twice.
@klattalexis
@klattalexis 8 жыл бұрын
In the beginning, God created man & woman. The theory of evolution has taught us otherwise & created most of the problems we see in relationships.
@mrStraker888
@mrStraker888 6 жыл бұрын
hey did you mention pinguins??
@hawaiano8
@hawaiano8 12 жыл бұрын
Did you all hear that? She said we're all naturally inclined to pair up and "rear" our child. xD
@kevinguthrieewc9741
@kevinguthrieewc9741 6 жыл бұрын
You lost at the point you said, what a man needs at his side is a woman....? how about him needing another man?
@john091077
@john091077 6 жыл бұрын
Gross.
@JillRutger
@JillRutger 6 жыл бұрын
That's why she said "man" not "gay boy"
@BB02XX
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