Mantis X10 and Laser Academy Together!

[@tvdavis]

Thank you! I have both the Mantis X10 and the Laser Academy kit, but yours is the first video I could find that clearly explained how to use them together!

[@JDTreadwell]

Mantis, Please unify these apps!! But I still recommend both. Worth every penny and every moment spend practicing.

[@AvaFlanell]

It would definitely be nice if one app could do both. Still impressive systems though.

[@FL_ST8_1]

I like how the x10 can use both live and dry fire practice. Saves money on ammo dry firing at home. Then, take it to the range, set it to live fire and can see how u do under actual recoil and correct any mistakes.

[@AvaFlanell]

Absolutely, I agree. Plus, people don’t always make the same mistakes when they dry fire. Putting it to the test on the range is a game changer.

[@mbevan08]

Thanks for the vid! I'm trying to decide if I need both or just one or the other...

[@chupacabra304]

I have decided to get smart dryfire mag and mantis X so I can see wtf I’m doing wrong

[@ThorMartini6]

Awesome! I've been wondering about this.

[@AvaFlanell]

Yea, indeed it can be done. 😊

[@robertdennis550]

Thanks for posting. I got the Laser Academy first about a year ago and purchased the X10 about a month ago. I love them both and was wondering if you could use them together. Now I know. 👍

[@xanthoptica]

In the video it sounds like there are dummy rounds ejecting...but you have the laser "round" in the chamber and no magazine loaded, right? What am I missing?

[@hebrewhooligan5462]

So I frogot all about this channel because even though I had all clicked I haven't gotten notifications in a year.

[@craigcurtis8744]

I like the Rosie the Riveter t-shirt.

[@jambajoby32]

Sweet 🙌🏽 new upload! Is that you on ur shirt! Dope! A hoodie would be cool for the fall season comin up!

[@AvaFlanell]

Ha, no. It’s a cool shirt though.

[@jerry8276]

Are you using snap caps or dummy rounds? I hear something each time you rack the slide.

[@HORRUS29]

Two questions, do you have to have the laser academy in order for the x10 to work? Second do you have to rack the slide each time to register a shot?

[@AvaFlanell]

No, the X10 works on its own. This was just to demonstrate the results of both systems together. Yes, you do have to rack the slide when dry firing. The X10 also works with live fire however.

[@RJM1011]

Thank you thumbs up and shared. 👍

[@AvaFlanell]

Thank you so much!

[@spooky4223]

So does the mantis x10 app on the phone act as a target or do I need the laser academy

[@AvaFlanell]

The X10 does not need the laser or a target. It measures purely based on the motion of your shot so you can use any target. It also works with live fire.

[@jessicaqu]

New shooter here. Just picked up my first Glock, and trying to decide which Mantis to get. Would you recommend X10 for technique improvement?

[@AvaFlanell]

The X10 is the most versatile since you can dry and live fire. I highly recommend it. No matter what your skill level, it can help you improve.

[@cowboyjeff1911]

Great video 👍I need to get this hopefully I don't have too many old bad habits to fix 😬🤣

[@AvaFlanell]

There’s only one way to find out. 😉

[@HORRUS29]

If you live fire at 7 yards, would you practice with the Mantis at 7 yards? Or would the distance be less since the target is smaller?

[@AvaFlanell]

People get so caught up with distance. If you can shoot well, distance makes a small difference when you’re talking about plus or minus 10 yards.

[@MichaelSygo1]

I can't figure out what the academy does that the x10 does not???

[@jackomalley3687]

I like the laser academy but can tell you my shots go a bit left but many go right which I know is incorrect

[@reppin541]

Are there any tools that can be used so you don’t need to rack the gun after every shot?

[@2ndchance632]

You can use the Dry Fire Mag with your apps. DFM allows you to shoot without racking the slide. They make one (tad expensive) that includes the Laser.

[@trumpeteer211]

I’m gonna probably sell my laser academy. Can never get the damn thing read the targets 100% of the time. Plus, the mantisx sensor really detects what you’re doing wrong, if anything. I have the x3, which isn’t as nice as the x10, but it can be used for live and dry fire and handguns and rifles.

[@AvaFlanell]

Have you contacted customer service about this?

[@trumpeteer211]

@@AvaFlanell yep. Twice. Tell me the same thing that I already do. It’s too inconsistent of a system. Kinda liked it when it worked though.

[@MichaelSygo1]

What exactly does the academy do that the x10 dies not

[@russrichards4195]

Through reviewing dozens of articles and videos, I've been researching that question for several days now. Here is my conclusion. The Mantisx measures muzzle movement during the trigger pull. It does not require a "target" and does not use a laser. It measures gun movement during the trigger pull. It does not score the accuracy with which a bullet would have been delivered (as in a dry fire scenario) to the target. The Mantis Laser Academy does use a laser with a target. At the moment of hammer impact on the laser cartridge it measures where on that target the laser was pointed. It does not measure gun movement during trigger pull. Each device measures something different which is why one might want to use both at the same time. Around 4:20 on this video, Ava says that "Mantis Laser Academy ... was showing my target, where my camera had to line up with the target, and it was scoring my accuracy... The x10 goes a little above and beyond that. It scores ... how you pull the trigger, the [muzzle] movement as you are pulling, during and after..." I think the impression she leave with the statement that the x10 goes above and beyond the laser academy is misleading. Perhaps for an expert marksman, one who can put a gun on the bulls-eye of a target 100% of the time, this is an accurate statement. But for a novice like me, one who needs help in both aiming and in trigger pull, these are two different things. The Mantisx can help you train on trigger pull, the Mantis Laser Academy can help you train on aiming.

[@nehoha]

@@russrichards4195 Thank you for your research. You saved my time. As an engineer, I asked myself, how does X10 know where exactly I'm shooting to? This system only knows my gun movement trajectory in 3D space. Apparently, in attachment, they have inertia sensors like one used in smartphones. The rest is the software "magic". It does not see the target you are shooting at and can't tell you the accuracy score on the target. In my opinion, the whole marketing theme of X10 is misleading including this very video. Even Mantis official website doesn't tell you how exactly this system works. I can tell as an expert, there isn't much software development challenge to unite the X10 and Academy apps in one app. They just try to sell you both systems.

[@Bklynpimpstress]

Does the mantis x10 come with laser and target? Can you use any targets or do you have to use mantis targets only?

[@AvaFlanell]

The Laser Academy uses targets, but the X10 doesn't. The X10 doesn't need a target for dry or live fire.

[@dreknows]

Nice

[@Lichsnitch]

Will the x2 and academy also work together or need the x10?

[@AvaFlanell]

The X10 works separately from the Laser academy. I had each app running separately on different devices.

[@soundsnags2001]

Seems insane that they dont naturally integrate these together.

[@eddwinnas]

Nice I want to buy

[@AvaFlanell]

Definitely a game changer

[@edp3421]

Yeah AvA