Attack on the Guildhall & The Murder Tribunal | Baldur's Gate 3 [Part 52]

[@seandeignan6615]

Game Over screens are good. The more we slow down progress in the game, the greater the chance increases that Mapo can become a Drunken Master before the end of the game. Next Episode Idea: Just walking around town and shopping. An entire episode.

[@Heleyrine]

Who doesn't love a good D&D shopping episode?

[@Theorak]

Not a bad idea, since shops refresh on long rest and level ups, I sometimes combine respects with a grand haul for alchemy supplies^^.

[@tealbird6732]

Keep the Orphic hammer on Mapo gnome, you don't want to found yourself in a situation without it.

[@KGhaleon]

or don't, I had Karlach use it during my endgame

[@ZXaria]

Halsin echoing Shart is actually so funny, how did that even happen XD

[@itzmonkeyface1420]

The Sarevok fight feels like the NPC’s finally fighting back for all the times Mapognome has just stunned a boss lmao

[@KGhaleon]

Sarevok ain't no NPC

[@QuayNemSorr]

Stun is OP!

[@cealens]

the trick with boo is that he is actually throwable, he takes no damage himself when thrown. have karlach throw him!!! go for the eyes!!!! poor wyll being bugged out AGAIN. what’s supposed to happen is a scene where he fanboys a little over minsc just like karlach fangirled over jaheira back in the shadowlands. it has very weird flags where it can only happen in the overworld and not camp or it bugs out, iirc. damn, that gale conversation after meeting with mystra was quite different from the one i had with gale in my playthrough… i think this has to due with you accidentally skipping a cutscene with gale after reading the annuals of karsus. since you did that controlling gale and never had mapo gnome read it, you didn’t get the opportunity to dissuade him back there about using the crown himself, which i believe in code means that gale has more flags for using the crown than not right now. think of it being shart choosing to kill nightsong or not, it depended on how you talked about it before with them. be careful about the doing cutscene as companions things, just make sure mapo gnome is also doing whatever it is as well. let’s hope mapo gnome has imparted some words of wisdom on our dear wizard!

[@nickrubin7312]

Even in that scene in vaults it is very hard to dissuade him since it is not "natural" (usual, conventionally accepted), at least for most RPG players nowadays, to go on fully with confrontation in multiple dialogue instances and challenge companion's path. In his case it requires full on "stfu Gale, this is stupid", and saying it multiple times, basically bullying, not just "ehmm, maybe you're wrong, maybe not, but I have questions for more info". Fun neat little interaction thing, that if you bring Gale to Lorroakan after the scene in the vaults, and you dissuade him about his "ambitions", he will speak differently, with humility even. But yeah, since he played as Gale, he experienced this whole interaction as Gale and chose a specific option/path as Gale. It is good RP overall and interesting interactivity, just players should be mindful when doing that, they are fully experiencing things as if they were playing as that origin character.

[@kipgrey1267]

Minsc really steals every scene he is in, Matthew Mercer acted his damn heart out in that role!

[@jemaselite8076]

The iron flask could have been found during act 1, in the locked chest that you delivered to the zhentarim. I didnt know that it came back later but thats cool

[@nickrubin7312]

Rugan will also be there in some variations/alternative universes lol, suggesting getting some beers

[@KGhaleon]

I delivered it initially then stole it back from her.

[@zo_voyce]

Epic fight with sarevok. Incredible music, *insane* voice acting, and a genuinely terrifying boss. Good shit. The TPK feels so appropriate here honestly. Like if anyone was gonna annihilate you, this is the guy I'd want to do it lmao. Hope the TPK didn't feel bad! For me it was always fun to get surprised, humbled, and then have the chance to strategize and go again! A TPK or two is an essential part of the experience (imo, I know some people probably would rather just... not lol. Esp if, like "Cherry Cupcake", they don't enjoy the combat and just play for the story. Which is totally valid!) Great episode mapo ❤ Was awesome seeing how this encounter goes with Jaheira and Minsc in the party! Hadn't ever seen that. I'm glad I'm just a little behind on episodes and don't have to wait for pt. II - I'd be dying from the anticipation 😅

[@KGhaleon]

I'm happy to see he brought Jaheira and Minsc along to fight Sarevok.

[@operatic4794]

Valiant attempt at Sarevok, but that fight is definitely a tough one.

[@lr-]

Sarevok is a brutal fight, good luck on the next go around. In my playthrough I managed to dominate him into killing his entire team but I didn't realize until it was too late that just meant he was powered up from his echoes and at full HP. It ended up with a mad dash for the front door, with him chasing after us and cutting us down one by one as I ran into the streets alone and fled back to the safety of Withers.

[@FallstarFL]

I didn't have any trouble with him. I used a lot of summons with multi attack and overwhelmed him with action economy, while my characters stayed safe-ish.

[@keeganbate8935]

"Withers! WITHERS HELP MEEEEE

[@eXtotheZee]

Aww, maaan, everything with Minsc is sooo fun! Larian did him justice. :)

[@OhThatRobin]

They really did x3 he’s adorable 💜🐹

[@Sellinglobs]

When I first encountered Sarevok I first thought it was the voice of Duke Nukem. Such an insanely cool voice. On par with the narrator of Disco Elysium.

[@flrn_999]

The voice actress for mystra is the same as rogue from cyberpunk

[@AyaWetts]

Minsc is a ranger because there was no barbarian class in BG1. He was set up as a dual wielding melee ranger, back when Rangers were more an up front fighting class like fighters and paladins. They kept him a ranger even with the newer rule set so people didn't scream and yell about breaking lore.

[@nickrubin7312]

Correct, albeit a bit more complicated It is a game made with licensed IP from WoTC. After BG1-2 any companion, the overall events of the story, even some races/subraces homebrewed by Bioware are part of the IP moving forward, canonized by WoTC (which is party of the problem with BG1-2 on itself as duology, but would be spoilers to discuss). So, no matter who would use Minsc in their product, whatever this product is, if they use it within commercial license, and not just some open-license stuff to make campaigns for group of friends, they would have to initially use him as Ranger with certain stat distribution (same with Jaheira and other characters, all WoTC canon). Same fate for all the characters created by Larian, if they would be ever used by everyone else in their products, as Larian themselves said (by Swen) when license agreement ran out this year "they now belong to WOTC". As soon as you get Minsc in your party, he is part of your headcanon and mechanics of the game in full, thus you can respec as you wish. Just, within the IP, he'll always be a ranger now, with certain attributes. Maybe they even wanted to change (possibly not, because of the reason you pointed out, didn't want to break the lore), but even if they wished, they wouldn't be able to do it on their own, and WoTC probably would need strong reasoning to do so, since they don't like to do it when pushed from outside and gatekeep their DnD canons no matter how messy they are. The whole petrification and unpetrification thing is also not a Larian invention, by WoTC canon backstory leading to the events of BG3

[@xface2face]

This playthrough has been so much fun to watch. To comment on the Gale and Mystra situation, my interpretation was definitely one of Mystra only feeling threatened by the different Weave situation, not really of it being an evil existential threat to the world. Thing is in the context of BG3, the game can make this ascension to godhood sound like inherently evil ambition due to the alignment of the characters trying to do it, but it's not that uncommon of a thing and not all who do it are evil. In fact, Mystra herself is one, or two rather. Current Mystra and the previous Goddess to hold the name and domain of Magic are both mortals that ascended rather than primordial beings or children of existing deities.

[@alifreeman9135]

The reason Gale has become such a strong proponent of using the crown for himself is because your responses, even right up to his visit with Mystra, have been ambiguous enough to encourage him. If you had chosen 'you should seek Mystra's forgiveness' before he goes to visit with her, than he is much more easily persuaded that the Karsite artefacts are evil and becoming a god is not the best option.

[@nickrubin7312]

That's not the only affecting conversation, the one you have throughout the game, especially in Sorcerers Sundries, is very important to his character as well. There is a path in which you don't suggest him to seek Mystra's forgiveness, in fact it is pretty much non-obligatory to ask her forgiveness if Gale already has no desire to wear a crown at this point (which still doesn't mean he won't give it to Mystra, which is also probably not the best option and thus seeking her forgiveness isn't also, depends on who you see it all) Gale branching is wild overall, but it would be spoilery to tell, he has a lot of ending variations.

[@jackmanalope]

Be careful leaving the Orphic Hammer with Minsc. If you get the opportunity to enter the Astral Prism without him in your party, you’ll be unable to free Orpheus.

[@ragenaros4475]

Seravok, the most badass gigachad boss in the game

[@OpheliaFantasy]

I love giving familiars like Boo and Shovel potions brewed from blood, giving them magical abilities like Misty Step and Burning Hands

[@Tmalter]

Proud to say you were my top watched gaming channel in 2024. Keep it up Mapo!

[@FallstarFL]

Take the Orphic Hammer into the prism and throw it over the ledge

[@QuayNemSorr]

Glad to see you're not invulnerable. Never seen his reaction to Minsc and Jahierra. Not your most lucky moment. Great episode

[@luminemo]

I enjoy your tone of voice when saying evil in certain conversations, it always makes me laugh! I use a mod to level up faster, so I love to multiclass my characters; it's fun to try different combinations and to come up with lore for it

[@elissa-fae]

BG1 but especially 2 + ToB are probably my favorite games of all time (although I mostly played with lots of mods but it were the games that introduced me to rpgs 20 years ago :)). Looking forward to watching you play them and connect lore.

[@AlmostYearly]

I was all like, "This fight was really tough for me, both playthroughs, but I bet Mapo bloody breezes it again."

[@SkeleTonHammer]

Honestly, I "cheesed" him (if you can call just using my best abilities cheesing) and forced him to dance while we took turns cutting him a new one. I kinda made a joke of him and took him out easy.

[@boastaboutgames2747]

Finally, he has the holy trinity with veilguard and BG3 The squaks, the hisses, and the squeaks

[@kolap1]

In time of BG1 there was no Barbarian class. So he was always Ranger. But with unique berserk ability. He's met in about a 1/6 of BG1 story paired with with Dynaheir a human mage (but Mnsk call her witch or wise woman) from same region - Rashemen (quite far east from Baldur's gate). At the start of BG2 you find Mins in same starting room as your main character. Soon after you find Dynaheir dead. So Minsk find self a new pair - elf wizard/cleric called Aerie. You are right as human Minsk can't be alive in time of BG3. So developers comes with a trick. Soon after event of BG2 Minsk was ambushed at marketplace of Upper city and petrified. He stayed as statue for about 80 years. Lucky accident of wild magic surge turn him back to flesh just in time he can participate in events of BG3.

[@nickrubin7312]

I wouldn't spoil BG1-2, even in details< since he said he wants to play it (I didn't know myself, since he started with BG3, but that's the info, so...)

[@Theorak]

"My favorite things is..." *stares at Karlach* "yeah, that." Now this might be a spoiler, but since you like throwing things and unique dialogue. Each character can throw Boo. I know you wanted more dialogue with the handsomely voiced Sarevok, but please your party reminds you this is a chosen of Bhaal who wanted murders all over town just for seeing him! Chaotic Neutral he goes, rolling against your friend's best advice is how you lose them :D. Your character died there, because you just went down from the Deathbringer Assault, but in a moon beam. Sarevok is just deadly, don't worry about it.

[@TheNutzak]

I'm glad Sarevok delivered. I felt kinda bad for him in my game because he was felled so easily by my modded, naked harem. I mean, he is lvl 16. He's past the level cap and he should be a threat.

[@acfan1988]

The Sarevok fight is such a tough fight. Even on regular difficulty

[@cealens]

if you do want to have minsc and jaheira fight here, you can just have them stand right outside the door and just have karlach and mapo gnome go in, sarevok will be a lot more neutral towards you and you can hear him in his cool ass voice talk more! then if you decide to go and fight anyways, you can have jaheira and minsc join the fight once it gets started.

[@dsilvermane0]

That Sarevok fight is rough... Took me a few tries too the first time.

[@Wladeex123]

And it bugged a bit, too, here. Sarevok received haste a turn later than he should.

[@holokom3330]

As you might have guessed already - Jeah Sarevok is a Villain in the previous titles - and Minsc and Jaheira are your companions to fight him --- so jeah --- no peave between them :D

[@Kashkadavr_]

The battle with Sarevok is so interesting and one of the hardest in the game, in my opinion. Especially when you're fighting for the first time and don't know what to expect. I only won here on tactician on my first playthrough by a miracle of God first try. At the end only Sarevok and my bard Icewind with Astarion were alove with low hp if I'm not mistaken. And we were only able to survive because the bardess cast Tasha laughter and Astarion used the cloudkill scroll. And we ran from Sarevok while I cast laughter again, and Astarion moved the cloud if Sarevok came out of it. It was very funny. And Sarevok's laughter made it even funnier.

[@dudlEEk]

poor Gale. meeting with an ex is always rough, lol.

[@daxtonfleming]

Man, that Compelled Duel effect is brutal. It would be one thing if it did what the description says and just forced you to only attack the caster, but when your characters just start running around like idiots, taking opportunity attacks and spending resources it's infuriating.

[@castanzofranzman2013]

I’m stunned he found the iron flask in act 3 lol

[@Kashkadavr_]

No, Minsk has dialogue about Mistra and it's actually very interesting. It's a shame the game messed up and didn't let you hear it.

[@chika4275]

whats crazy to me is that Jaheira can be killed in act 2 and none of these dialogues and quests would exist.

[@camerus4460]

its doable with those 2, but a series of poor decisions leads to a loss.

[@KaisPeach_]

This guy is obsessed with throwing stuff which doesn’t do like any damage

[@Mapocolops]

Karlach has 3 pieces of equipment on which does extra damage. So there's throwing damage plus 3x1d4s of additional damage. Plus Karlach has a throwable spear that does thunder damage in a radius and returns to the person who threw it. So I'm doing plenty of damage with throwing.

[@nordic2617]

I highly recommend watching the DnD movie honor among thieves. The world of baldurs gate is the exact same the movie is based on, Faerun and there are so many cool details youve noticed after playing baldurs gate

[@jemaselite8076]

I genuinly cant wait for the new subclasses to be added, ill save my 3rd playthrough for when that releases. So far ive done warlock/bard for my first and wizard/fighter for my second so ill definitely be doing some more multiclass experimenting

[@Xeno7241]

He sounds like Legate Lanius from New vegas

[@nickrubin7312]

"The game is too easy" Act3 bosses: hold my insane abilities with over 9000 attacks to the face. Congrats on your 3rd TPK! (right? gnolls and goblin camp previous ones?) It isn't the hardest one ;) , all Act3 bosses are sort of "checks" for party composition and builds. Once you know what they are doing might be easier. Killing ghosts of priestesses of Bhaal also must be strategic in this fight, since they all pump Sarevok upon their death. If you don't bring Jaheira and Minsc there is no such narration of "bad blood and there will be no compromise between parties", options that you're as player presented, and the opposition from Minsc and Jaheira to find a peaceful solution. Sarevok sees Jaheira and Minsc and like "filthy heretics, traitors, Harper worm, you will die!". Sarevok's actor Kevin Michael Richardson, even 20+ years later, still one of the best performances and voices fitting the character, one of the coolest sounding villains ever. Also, "Bhaal's Legacy" slaps hard, Borislav Slavov cooked with the soundtrack, and this track isn't even the most popular and everyone's favorite one.

[@zoefezius6615]

i mean i found act 2 bosses quite hard, i would argue they check for party composition too, even act 1 bosses... when you are not overlevelled... i mean, hag fight is quite different on level 3, 4 or 5... or with false team comp... or fighting Myrkul level 7 is another thing than fighting at level 9... and because i don't do so much sidequesting... i am not overlevelled like Mapo and others in those fights but allways underlevelled.... i am just wating for the first fight now where Mapo isn't overlevelled anymore... ^^ i mean of course... the game is balanced about not having the optimal build and having allmost all xp you can have... but more about having some gear and mid level... act 3 you should have good gear builds and max level... and game is balance to that... so yeah... for most people i think they would assume act 3 to be harder... but of course.. when you get all xp, best item builds and use all op spells and know what the bosses do and enter with the best team comps.... then the game is too easy ;o)

[@LLlap]

I wish there was a mode for Honour mode abilities in a custom game. Even on Tactitian and as hard as it is the Honour actions are so insane.

[@nickrubin7312]

@@LLlap There is, actually for months now in the game, since patch 7 you can pick HM ruleset for Custom Difficulty without constraining yourself with a single save file, which technically makes this type of Custom Difficulty with HM rules, and especially if you hide some passive rolls, the highest difficulty outside of actual Honor Mode. Mind you that HM, and maybe you already know, but just in faces, FYI: HM has certain rule changes in comparison to other difficulties that are homebrew, especially considering Haste condition and Action Surge with regard to extra actions you can do while hasted/action surged (more faithful to 5e, less fun which is what Larian was going for with their homebrew).

[@nickrubin7312]

@@zoefezius6615 I think act1 is just overall being underleveled/low-level adventure, it is hard for 1st time player no matter what, at least until lvl4 (first feat), although people usually tend fairly consider lvl5 as a threshold (at that point you certainly can punch enemies 1-2 levels up, maybe even 3 levels up). I actually agree that act2 does "check", but it has mid-game fairness, while act3 with some bosses it isn't about fair, because player kind of being unfair the whole game with the access to so many more tools than any enemies. Overall it isn't power fantasy, but very close to it. The difficulty is ingrained in knowledge/learning, not necessarily levels, just like pretty much with any cRPG. Ofc levels are important, but what is more important is reading and knowing what you're doing and what is going on, so you can plan the steps. Take Mapo 2nd attempt (you'll see in the next episode), he even wanted to switch companions because Minsc and Jaheira presented as weak builds, when it fact they were not properly used in 1st attempt, plus he didn't read what ghosts of priests of did in this EP, while killing them effectively pumped Sarevok. It is a lot similar to souls-like games, even tho the mechanics and everything else is different, the overall approach and perception of combat, knowledge and ability to adapt is a bit more important than raw level and stats (mind you that there are build that only take 1 feat and don't pump the stats at all). I I would say there is no such thing as overleveled in this game, especially with the framing of "doing sidequest makes you overleveled" when it is essentially just exploration and there are only few sidequests throughout the game. So reward for exploration is experience, which should incentivize the player to explore.... you see where I am going with this. Your level is always appropriate to you yourself as a player and investment on exploration, since bosses/enemies don't have a condition or a threshold that they apply to you in order to face them. Even more so, level is important, but not the only thing that is checked. Items, composition, tactics. However, the conundrum is that you can be underpowered or unprepared (not necessarily underleveled) when facing certain enemies. If your party is lvl9 against Myrkul and using starting gear since Act1 and you picked some mismatching feats, it doesn't matter if you're lvl 7 or 9, not really. Reality is, highly geared up and properly built party, fully on potions (strength, concentration, initiative, resistance to necrotic), slaps Murkyl, maybe not on the 1st attempt, but lvl plays secondary part in here.

[@CraigNull]

I wonder what happens if you bring only strangers to Sarevok -- i.e. anyone other the two companions who have a history with him. Would he not immediately call you out as traitors to Bhaal?

[@castanzofranzman2013]

SPOILERS He won’t be agro right away and you can sacrifice people to gain bhaals favor. The first one is the holyphant cop. They have him tied up in another room then I think jahira. Never went that far personally so idk how exactly it works. You can also say no to the first sacrifice and fight serevok in the other room which is imo harder

[@apeddie9355]

If you havent already, u shud listen to the theme/pause menu song from bg2.

[@dsilvermane0]

Wow that was the first time I heard repeated dialogue between companion check-ins (Shadowheart and Halsin) - so strange.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

Ah Sarevok.

[@The_Nightsong]

I have never seen the Murder Tribunal and the Orin part of everything as a non-Durge, so this is fun to watch 😁😁 PS. Minsc is seriously one of the best characters ever 😆😆

[@acfan1988]

I love BG3 so very very much… But sometimes the glitches and bugs can really frustrate me

[@s1b3r11]

Don't want to spoil anything, and perhaps you have already done it but I recommend looking at Shadowheart's quest. It's not related to Sarevok and this episode but she wanted to find someone else way earlier in the game even before entering the city and having to go back later is often annoying.

[@daddyjhin3258]

Yes, bring other companions to this fight! I think that you missed a bit of dialogue by Sarevok going aggro on Jaheira and Minsc 😅.

[@zoefezius6615]

that guild fight really hated me.... the first four times i lost it.... siding with Ninefinger two times... she allways got oneshot before i could do anything... siding with Roah... she allways got oneshot by Ninefinger...

[@elissa-fae]

A humble turnip ♥

[@FallstarFL]

Khaga, Us, Oliver and Thaniel are the same voice actress

[@grapeape325]

Halsin "quoting" Jahira...

[@Desdemonaii]

In key moments for companions please don't use them, it's better to use Mapo so you can hear the companion's thoughts + choose Mapo's thoughts. The game will usually hijack it and force you to be Mapo specifically for this reason, but try not to swap for key quests.

[@brandonm.8079]

I vote for BG1 and then BG2. BG2 is my fav but def want to play 5em in order. I have done all achievements in both so I can help remind you if you missed anything important. Cheers bro

[@tom9565]

Man what a fight Sarevok is. This fight was actually the time were in my first Playthrough Shadowheart had to use her Divine Intervention :D Never thought i had to use this skill until this point.

[@TheOriginalDarkSheep]

1:34:28 starting to notice the cracks in the writing? 😂 Act 3 unfortunately doesn’t feel quite finished..

[@LLlap]

See, I don't get it. You've dealt with Shar and Vlaakith, the Dead Three. You like those kind of Gods? Do you not want a charming and intelligent wizard that you know and trust to be there instead of those monsters? And so goes with Astarion, if you were a vampire would you not want to get rid of the curse and be free to walk in the sun? Why are you denying him something that you would seek yourself if the roles were reversed?

[@orangoutan8727]

because he's looking out for them and knows that either of them ascending into poweful beings will consume them to the point where both will eventually lose their soul and become husk of their old person. isn't it the oldest tale in the book? even Mapo can see through good old fantasy tropes

[@luciano1240]

The charming intelligent wizard that had everything in life and fucked up all because he wanted even more? I'm sure making HIM a god is gonna turn awesome. And making Astarion do the ritual the big bad vampire wants to do also doesn't look like a great plan. This is just common sense, playing god always end up bad and following the steps of the villain is not the best idea. Even if everything turned up to be great in the end, Mapo doesn't know that and he has to make a decision with what he knows

[@LLlap]

@@luciano1240 Specifically for Astarion, You are on the way to kill big bad crime boss and you come upon his big pile of cash amongst a bigger pile of bodies. The people are already dead. The money is already here. And you are turning your back on it because it's bad money, would probably ruin you as a person as well? If Astarion is my friend or lover even I want the best for him and trust him to make his own decisions. He (Mapo) did trust Shart earlier. Perhaps you just need to get to know Astarion better like you did with Shart?

[@LLlap]

@@orangoutan8727 Withers says Illithids have no souls. Would that stop you from becoming Illithid to save the World? Would you judge anyone else for such an act? Do you judge Wyll and other Warlocks for them losing their souls?

[@nickrubin7312]

That's the thing. Shar and Selune are greater deities. Overall, they don't really care about all this nonsense, and someone like Bhaal would probably appear to Shar as an overinvested weirdo. She literally plotted to kill Mystra with Cyric and succeeded, Spellplague followed, countless deaths all around. Bhaal "murder obsession" is clownfiesta in comparison. Shar is literally goddess of darkness and loss, that like not even caring about non-existing, that literally power of nothing, of the emotionless endless dark void. She is probably still interested to what would happen if somehow she would get less followers, and DnD gods are dependent on the amount of souls that pray to them (thus the whole disturbance, because according to Withers mindflayers have to souls, same with devils interest in this plot involving mindflayers, they are also dependent on mortal souls), but honestly, the more loss the better as far as Shar would see it. Bhaal, Bane, Murkyl, current interation of Mystra, the ones you call monsters, they were all human ones and ascended. Lots to think about in here, they were all ambitious humans, especially The Dead Three. Vlaakith isn't even a true god, so she is even lower than quasi-deities (low-ranking deities). Edit: to be fair, in this playthrough Mapo did choose for Gale the option in Sorcerers Sundries, he didn't talk with Gale about it and Gale didn't choose himself in this particular case. But, that's not the only dialogue affecting Gale's paths, and Mapo knows Gale pretty well at this point to chose as his origin/roleplaying as him.