Mapping the Rare Universe

[@jiggylookback]

Hey guys I realize this is something people may be passionate about and by no means is my video the “end all be all” for this discussion. I simply did this for fun and because I love these games. I definitely missed titles and you may get upset at how I connect certain things. But please be positive and kind to each other. In other words… Chill. These are video games. 🎮

[@JustJulyo]

Those people are 🍌

[@Shagaru_Bleed]

@@TheNintenja Too damn toxic.

[@breathstealer5486]

when the monster hits extra hard and all you can think about is how everything is connected until you look like that guy in its always sunny

[@jiggylookback]

CHARLIE DAY is my spirit animal. I accept this and love this comment.

[@gregorys9629]

I've read before that the Kongs in DK64 were actually going to use real guns before Miyamoto stepped in and replaced them with coconut guns (etc) to make the game more kid-friendly. If Donkey Kong had been rocking a PP7 in DK64 then a shared universe with Goldeneye would have been confirmed 😎

[@jiggylookback]

You are 100% correct and that would have been amazing XD

[@legokingcandy]

I love the idea that all these characters live within the same world. It makes everything feel so big and vast, like there are other islands we have yet to explore. I will note that DK JR. is actually the father of modern donkey Kong, and cranky is modern DK’s grandfather

[@jiggylookback]

Yeah wouldn’t it be cool for open world diddy king racing and you could fly to other islands like sea of thieves but DKR style?

[@mwelite1706]

I mean Donkey kong tropical freeze has multiple islands to the west, (and one in the east).

[@renakunisaki]

Yep, that's confirmed in the DKC1 manual IIRC.

[@jiggylookback]

@@renakunisaki and DK64 said Cranky is his father that was my point :P it changes

[@ladysophie3340]

@@jiggylookbackExcept it changed *once* and then was immediately fixed. DK has been Cranky’s grandson since before and after DK64 and will continue to be.

[@enforcerridley158]

10:19 One thing about including Smash Bros. is that Smash Bros. is technically a different universe known as the World of Trophies, where the Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong of Smash Bros. are not the same Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong of the Rare World, but are living Trophies, or Plushies in the original, based on them. However, the World of Trophies seems to be connected to the Kirby Universe, located in the Candy Constellation, home of Master Hand and Crazy Hand.

[@enforcerridley158]

Wow! I didn't expect senpai to notice me.

[@Issachar-northern-kingdom]

In DKC1 you can see land far off into the distance where k. Rool's pirate ship comes from as it inches closer and closer to DK island throughout the progression of the game. It's not directly north of dk isle and it's not directly south either and you can tell it's way bigger than krocodile isle as well

[@DaNintendude]

As a huge Mario fan, I've never been too keen on the idea of DK sharing a world with these other Rare characters. I firmly believe that any connection that _did_ exist has been severed. And Nintendo has always been connecting Mario to DK, and with Mario on his own world. Even as far back as Donkey Kong '94, in which the Big City is on the same planet as the Mushroom Kingdom. Mario Odyssey expanded upon Big City, making it New Donk City. Further cementing DK Isle as being on Mario's World. It just never made sense to me that the Rare games would all be connected. However, we can't ignore the references to the Mario and DK worlds in the Banjo games! This has lead me to come up with my own headcanons and theories. *#1: L.O.G. Meddling* A lot of Rare games show extremely self-aware characters that know they're in Video Games. Some of the instances in Banjo and Conker go FAR beyond the jokes Cranky would crack in the OG DKC games. Mario does not live in an explicit "video game world," but Conker and Banjo do. Diddy Kong Racing is the only direct point of contact between Diddy, Banjo, and Conker. And Banjo references Diddy Kong Racing in Nuts and Bolts. But Diddy Kong Racing had a remake on the DS that RETCONNED those 2 guest characters. So if it was retconned, how does that work for the Rare side? What if the Lord of Games picked up Banjo and Conker, and placed them in the LITERAL VIDEO GAME of N64 Diddy Kong Racing. This isn't the actual events that occurred in Mario's universe, this is a literal video game in Banjo's. Mario/DK exists as a video game world in the Rare universe, which is separate from the normal non-video game world in Nintendo's games. *#2 Warp point:* Came up with this while reading other comments on the video. What if there's a Bermuda triangle-esque area that connects Mario's World to the Rare earth via a Warp point. You would boat or fly to that area and suddenly be teleported to the other world. It would be somewhere around DK Island on Mario's world, and somewhere around Timber's Island in the Rare World. Where and what the warp point is doesn't matter, as long as the kongs can access it. With all this being said, I thought this was a really cool video. Love all the details and connection points you found. I usually just ignore stuff like this, due to the Mario contradictions, but I ended up having a lot of fun pondering new ideas on how to work around those contradictions (even if I don't believe them). Also mad props for saying the two Tricky the Triceratops are separate characters. Always confused me how people saw them as the same person. Just doesn't make sense. And also I gotta mention that DK Jr is DK's dad. I know about the DK64 thing, but I think 1 time out of all the other times before and afterward that DK has been Cranky's grandson isn't enough to prove that. I would of course change my mind if Nintendo ever made them officially the same, though. Sorry for writing such a huge wall of text lol

[@jiggylookback]

Very Cool! Thanks for watching! I literally just love talking about this stuff. And yeah so many connection possibilities. I did my best with what I have so far. I just love it!

[@DocSherbert]

As a huge old school Rare fan and a Sea of Thieves apologist since launch day (still wear the day 1 patch and the launch crew sniper), my life is immeasurably better knowing that grabbed by the ghoulies takes place after it.

[@jiggylookback]

Yep but not too far haha

[@Ninblasto]

Awesome video. A lot more games that were connected than I thought. I love it when games connect to each other like how Wrinkly Kong plays Mario 64 on an N64 in DKC3

[@jiggylookback]

So many connections, but that’s what you get when have a developer like Rare who’s been around a while and has lots of good games in the catalog. Love the connections

[@ArmaBiologica35]

Battletoads also connects to Double Dragon. Meaning there's probably other connections to other Arc System works games as well? I guess Battletoads takes place a little bit closer to the Perfect era, assuming the Double Dragon Earth and Rare Earth are the same

[@jiggylookback]

So many connections. I didn’t want to speak too much on Battletoads cause I haven’t played much but could very well!

[@JamesDierken]

Funnily enough, there's another wolf character from Rare with the name Sabre. In the beta build for Starfox Adventures which was just called "Dinosaur Planet", one of the protagonists was Sabre. He was eventually replaced by Fox. IMO I prefer Sabre, I just think he fits the game better.

[@jiggylookback]

Yeah starfox was shoehorned in but I do love that game!

[@MisterTBag]

Nuts and Bolts was just a dream/nightmare, not to be taken as canon

[@jiggylookback]

Currently still playing through it myself

[@JakobeOG]

me: I gotta work in the morning, better go to sleep my brain as soon as it hits the pillow:

[@jiggylookback]

Sounds like my life.

[@Gruntilda-Winkybunion]

i love this video!

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks so much for watching again! 😎

[@WarioSaysSo]

I personally try to make the "Rare Universe" more comprehendive! If we look at Rare, it must be taken at some factors: 1. "Nintendo Rare" and "Microsoft Rare" will make two universes as the split-up will break things up. 2. Goldeneye, Mickey's Speedway and various licensed products Rare have done can't be canon as Rare themselves don't count them as "real original work". 3. Super SMash Bros. are all spin-offs and don't have a lineal line with there normal counterparts. a) The Nintendo Rare Universe: Yes, here we have a collaborating universe where Rare's Sabrewulf crew, Banjo & Kazooie, Conker the Squirel, Mr. Pants, Jet Force Gemini crew etc. goes with Nintendo's Donkey Kong (obviously) crew, Mario's crew and Star Fox crew. On a side note; yes Battletoads could arguably exist in same universe, but are distant from the others because they share little in common to co-exist. However, Killer Instinct is something very difficult to piece togheter just as Perfect Dark as they focus on humans and more to the "real world". I would rather think they could be in same universe at different times. b) The Microso´ft Rare Universe: Now it is only Rare's Universe. All connections with Nintendo are cut due to owner-shift. That won't erase the past but for evreything past the early GameCube days are now over. Sabrewulf crew, Banjo & Kazooie, Conker the Squirel, Mr. Pants, Jet Force Gemini crew etc. is still the same. Killer Instinct and Perfect Dark is staying the same. So beside the Donkey Kong connection loss, it remains the same.

[@jiggylookback]

Oh I forgot about Mickey’s Speedway which is hilairous because I have it and had it growing up. DARN IT. Cool ideas! Some similar and splitting the timeline between Microsoft and Nintendo is interesting. Almost like a multiverse which I briefly touched on with like blasts corps. So cool how we can come up with so many theories and ideas.

[@banjo9158]

I don't think DK can just be cut, even in the Xbox era. Diddy Kong Racing events are referenced in Nuts and Bolts.

[@WarioSaysSo]

@@banjo9158 That I don't know about. Where does that happen in the game?

[@WarioSaysSo]

@@jiggylookback Yeah it was a decent game! A bit hard tho for a kart game. Yeah I think they give some clearity if to make it hold in todays landscape.

[@jiggylookback]

@@WarioSaysSo someone mentioned Mickey connecting and got into Kingdom Hearts which would doubly connect with Pirates of the Caribbean and sea of thieves lol what a tangled web we weave

[@Nick-up5wv]

Only thing I want to add is Mario can get to Donkey Kong Island via New Donk City and probably flying in his Skypop plain. Mario doesn't need a warp pipe. Also In Yoshi's Island DS DK lands on Yoshi, meaning Yoshi's Island is also near these areas; most likely DK Island. If Link is there than Hyrule is near too. Link can probably travel to other lands via Forari's Wind or the Great Lion King Boat. Also is the diffrent lands from SMB3 connected? And than you mentioned a sky kingdom: Link, Mario, and Pit could all be connected. Than if you mention Star Fox you have to mention F-Zero. This could REALLY spin out of control. Anyway these are just my thoughts. Good video. Oh and I once heard DK Junior is DK'S father. DK is a third. Cranky. Junior. Donkey Kong.

[@jiggylookback]

I need to do a full Nintendo map now too 😎

[@Nick-up5wv]

@@jiggylookback I've been working on one myself for a little bit now. When I finally post it I'll have to send you the Link. It's more of a SMASH related map. It's not because we have one in Subspace Emissary, but it does link multiple Nintendo titles together; so it could be interpreted as a SMASH map. You'll see what I mean soon enough. Anyway it'll still be different than yours and I can't wait to see your take after watching this. Nice job man!👍

[@jiggylookback]

@@Nick-up5wv sounds cool man!

[@GmNdWtchr96]

Double Dragon is also part of the Rare-verse, thanks to the Battletoads crossover.

[@jiggylookback]

Yeah that’s really awesome!

[@Braillionaire]

This is an awesome video! Lots of fun to watch. I have to say though, I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that DK Jr. Is not our current DK.

[@jiggylookback]

It’s pretty gray. DK country says grandfather Cranky and DK64 says father cranky. Interview said cranky may be senile but idk nbd I took a stand and knew I’d get attacked going into it 😂😂

[@titanayrum]

yeah, just the video I needed, cheers from Brazil!

[@jiggylookback]

Cheers!! Thanks so much for watching! Very cool you see this in Brazil!

[@TomTheyy]

But Smash is it's own thing where all the fighters are trophies.

[@jiggylookback]

I mean that’s true, but seeing as it’s the one game a lot of these characters connect to it’s worth mentioning. Didn’t feel like I needed to get into smash lore really haha

[@SlasherScotty]

Loved this video so much! It makes so much sense! Great work again buddy!

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks for watching it 😎

[@Motolmang]

to further link sea of thieves to killer instinct. The mask that commands spinal in the reboot is a mask of the ancients from sea of thieves. exact same design

[@jiggylookback]

Amazing. So many freaking references 😂

[@Ironsnake345ify]

I like the idea that a novelty mounted Banjo head was made for a promotion or by some weird taxidermist fan, got won by or sold to either the owner of the pub in Windy or one of its regulars who decided to give it to the owner to mount on the wall as a gift, then years later after it got all withered and creepy, got sold at a garage sale or pawn shop or something and wound up in the hands of whoever owns the mansion in Grabbed by the Ghoulies, who clearly was collecting creepy taxidermies.

[@jiggylookback]

Yeah exactly! Haha

[@rossruss6901]

I'm not a rare fan, but video is very high quality, and I was entertained. Good on you.

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks so much! I worked really hard on it and well all my videos in general! Thanks for watching!

[@captainsternn7684]

Lol why the shade for Grabbed by the Ghoulies? I loved that game when I played it on XBOX MAGAZINE DEMO DISC #25 never got to play full version however

[@jiggylookback]

What shade for grabbed by the ghoulies? I like it?

[@nickw8160]

I remember commenting on some of your videos when you first started, and it's honestly incredible to see how good your videos have become since then. I can tell you've put a lot of work into improving, and I'm happy to see your videos are starting to take off more. Your narration is SO good now--you've definitely hit your stride! It sounds completely natural and I can see you're intentional about keeping a good pace. The hard work you've been putting in is really evident. I also love the extra work you put into the editing here, especially the islands that you kept adding throughout the video. (Did you make those yourself, btw?) Glad to see your efforts are finally paying off more and more!

[@jiggylookback]

This comment means the world to me. Truly I have worked and evolved so much and too little fanfare to it gets tough, but like I always say I don't quit and I don't run and I will be Hokage. LOL. My brother actually did the art for me as I am a terrible artist, I He did a really great job. Thanks so much for watching and being supportive I really appreciated this comment.

[@nickw8160]

@@jiggylookback Yeah, I understand it must feel absolutely deflating when you put your heart and soul into a video and it gets hardly any views. Glad to see you've pushed through. You've got thousands of people who are cheering you on and love to see what you produce. I know it isn't a lot compared to the super popular channels, but if you envision all of the 3 and a half thousand people in a giant room together, that is a *lot* of people. 99% of YT channels don't make it past the first year--the fact you have is something to be proud of in itself. I once tried starting a channel and just stopped after like 2 videos lol, so you have clearly done far better than me. It takes a painful amount of time to build your craft and build your audience--but I just checked and the video you posted only yesterday is popping off with almost 20K, and it's still going. Let's hope you can ride the wave and capitalize while the YT algorithm is shining down upon you. I think I saw in another comment that you were planning to do a Defending B-T video, and if that's the case, I look forward to what you have to say for that one. Again, amazing work with this video and I'm excited to see what you have coming up in the future! Cheers!

[@jiggylookback]

@@nickw8160 yes I am planning to do Tooie! You’re so right it’s such a grind and a ton of work. I’m happy I pushed through and found some success. I’m going to keep grinding and working maybe even harder to bring more!

[@kade7xx]

0:47 and then there's Chunky

[@jiggylookback]

He’s alive!

[@Swiftjar]

Another epic video dude!!! I want more banjo!

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks so much for watching banjo is coming!

[@hughjass311]

New Dunk city in Mario Odyssey is where the original Donkey Kong took place, and it has direct references to a lot of the Kongs. Does this mean the Cranky traveled to Mario's universe and that's where the OG Donkey Kong arcade game took place?

[@jiggylookback]

That’s kind of what I was thinking!

[@banjo9158]

I have a headcanon that Mario and Pauline are like Link and Zelda. That they are main characters that reincarnate from time to time. and the Mario cranky fought is not the same as our current Mario, and that Cranky disapprove that DK is friends with his Mario, instead of being his villain like it should traditionally. New generation is always trying to do things differently and Cranky not liking it. That would mean the OG Pauline and Mario died a while ago, and that's kinda dark, but it makes sense, they died from natural causes, Cranky is really old, so it's been a while since those events.

[@dr.jonesmurphy5743]

Hell yea man! New sub! Gonna watch a bunch of videos

[@jiggylookback]

Dude! Thank you! I hope you like them! More to come!

[@shyguy85]

I dunno how i feel about the rare universe and earth being the same planet. I feel like its more of a different dimension ie: how mario and luigi got sucked from brooklyn to the mushroom kingdom via warp pipe. But it was worth it to see that earth connection make James bond and DK live on the same world lmao. Also CRANKY IS HIS FATHER NOT HIS GRANDPA FUCK YOU NINTENDO

[@jiggylookback]

A fellow Cranky is his father believer!! Thank you! Haha Yeah same planet to connect them. Some games say they take place on earth too

[@whyrwehere]

I believe that you could connect most video game franchises without using Smash Bros. or Fortnite

[@jiggylookback]

You probably could

[@OleAlexanderBrunaes]

Speaking of Blast Corps: it may be that Blast Corps takes place further into the future, where animals and humans have left Earth because machines with artificial intelligence have taken over the entire planet.

[@jiggylookback]

That could very well be too! I can’t remember exactly why I chose to put it in a parallel world…I had a reason. But I really don’t remember lol

[@siroswald9866]

I wonder where would a lot of the NES games, such as Snake Rattle 'n Roll and R. C. Pro Aim, as well as Battletoads, Ken Griffin Jr.'s Winning Run and Mickey's Speedway USA take place then...

[@jiggylookback]

Goldeneye is covered in this :P At some point the islands must convert into the modern continents

[@siroswald9866]

But with Sora in Smash, there has to be an explanation of Mickey's Speedway USA.

[@Eichro]

4:51 SHOCKED that wasn't a skifree reference after all

[@jiggylookback]

Nope IT’S MR. PANTS

[@LeviChurch]

This video is perfect

[@jiggylookback]

Don’t know about that but I really appreciate that comment!

[@justforshow1993]

I miss Conker :/

[@jiggylookback]

Me too

[@jrvanwiebt]

The RCU!!!

[@jiggylookback]

Heck yeah. I’d watch an avengers level cross over movie

[@PaperBanjo64]

Mickey Mouse is also somehow involved in the Rare Universe.

[@jiggylookback]

Correct. Somehow connected. I’ll have to make a follow up some point in the future.

[@Emammany]

But wait, Spiral Mountain isn’t on the Isle O’ Hags. The Isle O’ Hags is way too small (As we can see when using Hailfire Peaks on Cliff Top as a size reference) to have Spiral Mountain, Showdown Town and all of the BKGR worlds. My guess is that it connects to Spiral Mountain through a long underwater tunnel. Isle O’ Hags is it’s own entity, and Spiral Mountain is on another island along with GBTG (or MMM) and Showdown Town

[@jiggylookback]

Spiral Mountain is totally on the isle o hags. There isn’t speculation there. It has a tunnel through its wall to Jinjo village. You walk through it in Tooie. I wouldn’t think it’s underwater as you can see over the wall in spiral mountain and it appears to be rock and grass…it doesn’t dip far down either Showdown town could very well be a separate place connected via a portal. Remember Gruntilda’s lair functions very similarily with portals to worlds as well.

[@Emammany]

@@jiggylookback It could be a very long underwater tunnel. I’vs studied Tooie and the Isles O’ Hags before and I can tell you from a fact that Spiral Mountain can’t be on it, according to the image of it in Cloud Cuckooland

[@jiggylookback]

@@Emammany sorry I can’t share images here…but I’m gonna have to disagree. The wiki provides a nice description too with some other images banjokazooie.fandom.com/wiki/Isle_O%27_Hags#:~:text=Isle%20O'%20Hags%20is%20the,are%20located%20in%20Grunty's%20Lair.

[@Emammany]

@@jiggylookback That first image is an oversimplified route of the game… I’m going off the in-game material with the Isle O’ Hags image in Cloud Cuckooland. I took the visible lava in Hailfire’s lava size and used that as a size reference. It matches with the Cliff Top part perfectly. (The lightest areas are parts with no trees, darker means its forest and darkest usually means mountain.) In the lighter area, Jinjo Village also fits perfectly, but there is no area for Spiral Mountain. I even tried to put it in while ignoring the light and dark areas, but it goes off the island by a bit Another thing I wanna point out is that in N&B, it’s said that Bottles was dead for 1 week. This would assume that BT took place in a week, which could be because of the long travel between Isles O’ Hags and Spiral Mountain (as well as overall just the island I’d also have to again point out BK Grunty’s Revange, where you literally go over the walls of Spiral Mountain, where you find Jiggywiggy’s temple. I would find it odd for him to have 2 temples so close to each other in Spiral Mountain and the Wooded Hollow, and not anywhere else in Tooie or Grunty’s Revange’s worlds.

[@jiggylookback]

@@Emammany Yes I understand what image you’re referencing. Have you seen the image in the wiki where they list what areas are what on that specific image? Idk I still disagree and think it makes a lot of sense Spiral Mountain is on the isle o hags. Things aren’t going to be 1:1 most likely as they didn’t intend for people to dive this deep 😂 banjotooie.fandom.com/wiki/Isle_o_Hags

[@shyhoshark]

yay 43 34

[@madnessarcade7447]

More likely dk and SF are the Nintendo universe

[@jiggylookback]

But diddy Kong racing would be in a weird in between then

[@Defy-s4d]

When is the RareWare version of Smash bros?

[@jiggylookback]

I’d rather see a giant open world Diddy Kong Racing 2 where you can explore all the islands and unlock rare characters!

[@primevalyautja1305]

You got a nice voice, pretty handsome. :)

[@jiggylookback]

Well thank you haha I think I sound like an enthusiastic whiney nerd so I appreciate that.

[@primevalyautja1305]

@jiggylookback as you know I have a 2nd yt channel called dragozillasaur I do videos of super smash bros and godzilla. Also I'm a huge fan of yoshi

[@jiggylookback]

Heck yeah@@primevalyautja1305

[@crabbuckets7506]

Hi guy 👊

[@jiggylookback]

Yo

[@callumsparrow4379]

In the ending of Grunty’s Revenge (a GBA Banjo game that takes place between Kazooie and Tooie), multiple Banjos & Kazooies travel to the present after the real duo arrive to the present from their time-travelling shenanigans. This could explain all the mounted Banjo heads on the walls of numerous games.

[@jiggylookback]

Thank you! Funny enough I haven’t finished Gruntys Revenge! I’ve been playing it. You rock for sharing!

[@ShadwSonic]

That's only in the Any% ending. 100% has only one Banjo.

[@X2011racer]

That's actually the worst ending you could get in the game. The best ending has the duo return to what they were doing and prepare a card game for their friends later that night, a hint of what's to come in Banjo-Tooie. 100% nets you a special ending involving Mumbo after the best ending.

[@DjGaza18]

This is most interesting Rare topic video I've seen in almost a decade.

[@jiggylookback]

That is the highest compliment I have ever received. Thank you so much. I appreciate you watching my video!

[@jiggylookback]

This was originally scheduled for Friday, but due to the recent Rare hype and convincing of pals I’m releasing this…today.

[@backup_account_1]

YEEESSSSS! 🔥🔥🔥 Thanks! 🙏🙏

[@TheGunmanChannel]

It's Friday here in Australia anyway 😆

[@jiggylookback]

@TheGunmanChannel well there you go! It’s Friday somewhere LOL

[@idkany293]

STOP RELEASING THINGS BECAUSE OF RECENT EVENTS

[@idkany293]

@@TheGunmanChannel uh no it's thursday there.

[@ArmaBiologica35]

I love the implication that Conker's Bad Fur Day is part of the Mario Universe.

[@jiggylookback]

Lol Bowser is about to eat lead like a motha buzza

[@X2011racer]

Not anymore, thanks to Diddy Kong Racing DS retconning the guest racers.

[@raxxtv1998]

@@X2011racerYou can never erase the original DKR. Diddy Kong Racing DS is a pseudo-sequel.

[@GruffyXP]

@@X2011racerretcon shmet-con mario is connected to banjo and conker

[@Guito93]

Holy crap I didnt even know half those games even existed

[@jiggylookback]

So mannnnyyy gaaaammmmeeeesss haha I hope you’ll check them out! This is one of those companies that the majority of their titles are great!

[@DocSherbert]

Bruh this is a good idea

[@jiggylookback]

In my heart I can't help but feel this video is going to blow up. At the very least I worked really hard on it!

[@gmaster2647]

I was always a bit fascinated by how Rare connected their games via cameos and references and thought about a connected universe.

[@jiggylookback]

It always intrigued me as a kid!

[@Joshmsu45]

Dude, it looks like your channel is beginning to grow at a pretty good pace. The DK64 video got 10k views and this one already has almost 3k. I'm glad to see a fellow Rare fan succeed. Keep it up!

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks so much! The DK vid is approaching 20k now and Rare is gaining quick. I'm really thankful. I've been working hard for it! Hope to continue to have fun and bring banger content! Thanks for being supportive!

[@MeliesCinemagician]

So, in Donkey Kong Land for the Game Boy, the final world is Big Ape City, which is stated to be the location of the original 1981 Donkey Kong arcade game. However, in Super Mario Odyssey, the same claim is made of the Metro Kingdom stage. It's possible that the warp pipe to the Mario universe may be connected to the Metro Kingdom, which the Kongs may know as Big Ape City.

[@jiggylookback]

I like that!

[@DaNintendude]

It's worth noting that the Kongs get to Big Ape City by Zepplin and that a city skyline can be seen from DK Island in Donkey Konga 2. So I don't think he would get there by skyline. I do think Big Ape City and New Donk City are the same place. Odyssey's developers have confirmed that New Donk was based off of the Big City in Donkey Kong '94. So if DK truly is connected to the Rare games, we have to get a bit more creative. Maybe there is a portal or wormhole in the ocean that connects to Mario's world. Or maybe DK Island is in Mario's world, but the other earth with the rare characters has some sort of access point. Maybe some weird and wacky Bermuda triangle sort of situation, where there's a Warp spot or something.

[@jiggylookback]

@@DaNintendude I like the idea of the Crystal coconut being some sort of key

[@Tello-Vision]

Edit the art by ScribbledPixelz was the wrong one they were just pointing the pixel that they misuse and that confused as the submission Bubbles from clu-clu land who was in DK king of swing would like to have a word with you /j

[@jiggylookback]

Haha part 2 sometime?

[@j_walldubamsthe3rd979]

I ditched watching anime for this, and honestly worth it! Seriously shock how you were able to sum this all up in under an hour! That said though I must ask that place that seemingly looks like Peach’s castle in Nuts&Blots do you believe that is actually her castle somehow even though Mario is in a warp pipe or just made to look like Peach’s castle?

[@jiggylookback]

Thank you for watching 😁 I think I was reading the argument that it is Gruntys Lair, the top of her tower in the background.

[@MAIMEDWOLF]

I am beyond excited for your explanation I have been thinking about this FOR YEARS AND YEARS. I always wondered WHAT IS BEYOND BANJOS & KAZOOIES WORLD? Is there more that we havent seen beyond the woods? So curious!! I wonder where Threeie would take place if we ever got one! Would it be in the same world? I wonder if Grunty has been living on the island longer than Kazooie or Banjo?

[@jiggylookback]

Right? So much to consider. Hopefully I can answer some of these questions and maybe make your brain think harder.

[@banjo9158]

Probably, she was already there 20 years in the past in Grunty's Revenge.

[@MAIMEDWOLF]

@@banjo9158 Great point! I just have a feeling she's been living there for a long, long time. She's got a castle set up with a labyrinth of portals to other worlds (or pocket dimensions??) There is no doubt that she is a powerful witch, so she must be pretty old and lived there for awhile!

[@banjo9158]

@@MAIMEDWOLF I always like to think Gruntilda is 50 years old when the events of the first game happen. to have that mentality that she is having a mid-life crisis, and that being one of the reasons why she kidnap Tooty, it makes the situation even funnier.

[@cambrianratcatcher]

@@MAIMEDWOLF Given that Boggy travelled from Freezeezy Peak to Hailfire Peaks, I'm guessing portals to other worlds unless everyone can use that method. Also worth noting that Spiral Mountain despite the name appears to be an isolated valley in Isle o Hags, which is perhaps around the Northern Kremisphere?

[@Braillionaire]

This is an awesome video! Lots of fun to watch. I have to say though, I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that DK Jr. Is not our current DK.

[@LancerkingNoel]

Smash Bros is all a kid's wild dream of his collecction of figurines fighting each other. Master Hands are his hands and are meant to be the top beings in the world of smash. In Brawl his own identity of master hand is prisonned by Tabu and brings on the "other dimension" idea in which all have to team up to defeat them, including rescuing Master hand & Crazy Hand and them helping reach out to the other dimension in the Ultimate game

[@MariuigiKhed]

Correction: there are 2 Krocodile Islands, one sunk at the end of DKC2 and the other is the mechanical replacement. Despite the name, the Northern Kremisfere is on the south of Kong Island, but it's not precisely clear if it's part of the island itself of a nerby arcipelago (i'd go with the latter, considering we don't see anything resembling the Kremisfere in DKCR and DKCTF)

[@jiggylookback]

Yeah the mechanical one is shown. And yes you’re right man. I’m dealing with too many games I made that mistake :/ uuuggg that’s literally a fact

[@MariuigiKhed]

@@jiggylookback it happens: I was trying to make a Mario timeline once, being very precise with each infos the games offers... and then I read the manuals and all comes crumbling down. Like, did you know that the Lost Levels is in a parallel world and it is mentioned ONCE in the Japanese manual and nowhere else!? That could have explained why Luigi and Peach are kidnapped in SM3DL... the frustration is real...

[@christopherbottger]

Ok but how do you explain Yoshi's Island DS? Also where is Time Lord? Also how do we explain how the DK arcade game exists in DK64? Is LOG behind it?

[@jiggylookback]

Maybe DK comes from the Marioverse and settled down in the Rare verse. There is some video game cabinet discrepancies. Cranky has jetpac he could have made the dk arcade game. Cranky also has a killer instinct cabinet in dkc2. He could just be making these games based on his ideas and experiences!

[@christopherbottger]

@@jiggylookback Might explain Mario being a bad guy in Dk Jr. if Cranky is portraying a distorted version of events.

[@jiggylookback]

@@christopherbottger it’s an interesting idea for sure

[@maththrive]

Wait. Did you include my first Rareware game of all time, Jazz Jackrabbit? I think NOT. Orrr I wasn’t paying any attention, and I’m old…

[@jiggylookback]

Nope some of those older games I definitely did not, I briefly mentioned a couple. Some exist as games within other games as well confirming their connections. I may do a follow up sometime with updates!

[@Skunkmonkk]

Very fun narrative timeline! Great job!

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks so much! Appreciate that :)

[@JollyVG]

My only argument is about the placement of Showdown Town and, by extension, the GbtG mansion. L.O.G. calls it a "brand new game world," and that doesn't necessarily prove that Showdown Town *doesn't* take place on Isle o' Hags, but I don't know if I'd agree that the mansion being present in the former proves 100% that it's in the latter. Loved the video though, great job!

[@jiggylookback]

Thanks so much for watching! Yeah connecting showdown town could get weird but you could also look at it as the way to get there is through spiral mountain? Then it is connected to isle of hags. Idk lots of ways to go about it.

[@ArtsieFrog]

Smash brothers are toy dolls, and stuffed animals being played with by a child and his imagination. The first game opens with the master hand pulling dolls out, super smash melee are figures, brawl are gotcha collections, and the newest one appear to be stickers. The last one seems the most likely because there ain’t proof either way. But from the first 3, they are toys. Besides, using smash is OP like dream theory.

[@jiggylookback]

I did not actually use Smash. I just simply mentioned it is another connection between characters specifically Fox and Banjo. Sure the lore in Smash is there. Smash isn’t a good way to connect these.

[@tracyndiyob162]

really love that about nintendo(also capcom.:3) in that it is funny to think of these series being on the same world having things like dk/banjo-kazooie stopping king k. rool and grunty blowing their homes up(even if a little late in the bear and birds case.) or just the image alone of conker existing in the mario universe.(even if outside a few jerk moments/bad habits he's honestly not that bad a guy,moreso mature screwy squirrel if he got lazy if anything.)

[@jiggylookback]

It would be awesome to see that level of cross over happen sometime

[@justinratcliffe947]

The Rare universe is probably my favorite gaming universe since Rare is my favorite gaming company. They made a lot of my all time childhood favorites. The original DKC trilogy for SNES as well as Diddy Kong Racing and DK64. As well as Killer Instinct, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, Conkers Bad Fur Day, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, Star Fox Adventures, Grabbed By the Ghoulies, Blast Corps, and Kameo: Elements of Power. Truly and underrated company. Their games always had some of the best things about any games, the music, the characters, the graphics and art design, the story plots, etc. Truth be told I would love to write a book about them maybe even make a documentary. Hell a theme park attraction based on the universe of their games could even work.

[@jiggylookback]

They are one of my favorites as well! I make all sorts of content about it obviously haha! If you ever want to join my discord it’s just filled with Rare fans and we share gaming collections, ideas and just have fun!

[@viddysgamingviddyos4710]

This is all too much to process...in a good way I think. I'm off to lie down, and remember I've not really played any Rare games made after Starfox Adventures.

[@jiggylookback]

Haha it is a lot isn’t it 😂 sorry go relax

[@theoaremevano3227]

Uh oh, if SEGA's currently working on a super-game to connect a bunch of its franchises (Sonic, Yakuza, Phantasy Star and Persona), and Rare left a cheeky reference to Sonic in one of its DK games, they've inadvertently opened the floodgates to organized criminals, apocalyptic demigods and intergalactic horrors. XD

[@jiggylookback]

I’d love it haha

[@me-xz8zf]

I mean I wholeheartedly embrace Donkey Kong, Banjo and Conker co-existing in the same universe, but that's as far as I go. I'm fine with Battletoads being there but taking place in space tho (and of course, Double Dragon taking place on earth). Also, obviously Mario is set in the same universe as well. Same goes to some other Nintendo franchises like Zelda, Punch-Out and Metroid, but that's another story.

[@jiggylookback]

Mario is tricky with the other Nintendo verse ideas but I’ll tackle that entirely at some point

[@jarerarebear1765]

Nintendo may have discontinued their relationship with Rare when they let Microsoft buy out Rare, but they never officially decanonized the Rare Shared Donkey Kong Universe, so these connections are still valid, Nintendo and Rare just can't outright affirm them because of Intellectual Property rights.

[@jiggylookback]

Word! What was made can never be broken…lol sounds like some cultish chant

[@fawfulmark2]

Seems pretty neat, but surprised you didn't mention another big connection: Spinal's Age from Killer Instinct(namely the first one) being 2,650 years old, which crossed over with the time of Killer Instinct means he was animated around the 400s-which would seem a fitting timepoint to slot in the Sea of Thieves games assuming he was a pirate alive then before his rebirth as a vengeful spirit. Also you don't really need to fuss too much about Smash Bros., since the whole MO of that seriesis that they are figures(later trophies) of famous game characters reanimated by a magic force and living in an expanding world of imagination so that's it own entire thing there.

[@jiggylookback]

Agreed! And yeah I’m sure I missed a lot I haven’t played all of these equally. Killer Isntinct is cool but I haven’t played too much of that series. Thats a cool tidbit!

[@stetsonherrick8090]

It’s a travesty that Jet Force Gemini came out near the end of the 64 cycle. It basically got put under black sheep status with such an insane bevy of other games coming out before the year 2000 rolled in. A sequel ultimately got scrapped along with a potential Gameboy title. You should get a copy and play/review it for yourself.

[@jiggylookback]

I have it and I've played through it. I'll do a defending video on that at some point probably!

[@KRS2000]

I'd like to see Joanna Dark as a character in Killer Instinct. Although I haven't played the recent K.I game. Edit: Where would Snake Rattle and Roll fall into? Would that game be in the same timeline as Battletoads? That game did tease a sequel that never happened, Snakes In Space, or something like that.

[@jiggylookback]

I’d assume Battletoads connection. I’d have to do more research.

[@TheySchlendrian]

Here's my personal theory after watching this video: Humans have genetically modified animals to uplift them to make them their slaves. After centuries of servitude the now intellegent animals have rebelled against their masters, the humans were nearly wiped out, and they regressed into feudal Kingdoms and Piracy, some remnants of ancient advanced human technology can be found in Zelda. But there was another species that had evolved to intelligence; the Mushrooms with their Toads. The Mushrooms pitied the Humans and reached out with their spores across dimensions where they established a connection to a world where Humans still had a somewhat advanced civilization, not only that, to further enrich the Universe with Life their Spores have inhabited previously lifeless Objects; like toilets, ancient Dollar bills and such.

[@jiggylookback]

And eventually the mushrooms take over other creatures thus introducing the last of us lol

[@CrazyGamerDragon64]

I like to think that most of the worlds from video games take place on a parallel world similar to Planet Earth, in the Pikmin games it's called PNF 404, I know that it's implied that PNF 404 is Earth in the future but I'm not sure

[@jiggylookback]

Pretty safe assumption I’d say

[@blinkowarner3117]

I think its pretty much established that DK Isle and The Mushroom Kingdom exist in the same universe. I mean...Donkey Kong started out as a Mario character. If they are separated in any way, its possibly just as it is in the Mario movie, where they travel the Rainbow Road to get there.

[@jiggylookback]

I’ll be doing a Nintendo Verse video at some point and will try to further the connection and really dive into just that

[@MariuigiKhed]

Question, then the Rare-verse takes place in Mario's universe, since, you know... ♪D-K... Donkey! Kong!♪

[@jamesoffutt2801]

I also feel that conkers country, was originally sunshine and rainbows, I think what happened was, it got distorted due to a wish that conker made. That's why it looks the way it is now in Bad Fur Day.

[@jiggylookback]

You should watch my Tail of Two Berris video. See what you think!

[@TheGunmanChannel]

Hey leave my man Krunch alone 😂😂

[@jiggylookback]

LOL I’m sorry it was a shot fired and it didn’t need to happen

[@Dragon-King1232]

Its often mixed up that dk jr is the current dk, but in dk 64, its confirmed that he's the grandson of the original dk now known as cranky. Its often speculated that mario rpg is also connected considering certain enemies you encounter

[@jiggylookback]

In DK64 Cranky is current Dks father not grandfather in country he is stated to be the grandfather

[@forbsinator5782]

Why did rare get bought by Microsoft? Rare with Nintendo could have been so much more!!

[@jiggylookback]

They could have. Sounds like it’s Nintendos fault for low balling Rare.

[@CassiDS]

Jetpac canonically exists as a property in the Donkey Kong Country universe!

[@jiggylookback]

It does indeed haha

[@Metalizationer]

Great video dude! A lot of great connections here. I always love stuff like this ha! I am always open to talk DKU/Rareniverse stuff! Watched it with the GF and she was surprised and pleased to have the art in. Shes subbed now too and we look forward to more related content. Cheers bro! ❤👌

[@jiggylookback]

Heck yeah that’s awesome man! Glad you guys liked it! Tell her her art was AWESOME!

[@hunterterrat9105]

forgot the other rare donkey kong locations like the kremling island from dkc2 and the northern kremisphere

[@jiggylookback]

There is so much. I’m sure I missed a lot, I tried

[@robbycooper6787]

1:40 those look like characters from some kind of dull baby show where they just pretend to teach children but instead it’s just weird unwatchable draining songs.

[@jiggylookback]

LOL 100% but they are more charming actually in game

[@robbycooper6787]

@@jiggylookback probably because when I look at them in videos all I think is that they should experience something tragic the death of a family member or their own death so they can experience something other then unnatural happiness because they look like they’re about to sing about their pre school level knowledge of the people that are in a relationship with their parents or something random and pointless like that because being educational is somehow to edgy.

[@thebigbean8783]

Hmm. I thought dk jr. Was DK's dad. And arcade DK was cranky

[@jiggylookback]

It’s kind of a canon control issue. Different games say different things. I just like to go the father route.

[@AlecOBrien-n8n]

If you're going to include the entire DK franchise into the timeline, I would like to know where Donkey Kong Jungle Beat figures in. I've always believed it to be a prequel to the DKC trilogy hence why none of the other Kongs ever show up, but still; the setting and terrain are so vast and diverse that you have to wonder WHERE every one of the kingdoms seen in the game are located…

[@jiggylookback]

Here is something wonderful I will be doing in the future. Examine every game franchise and exploring the islands/world specifically in that series. So DK is def high on that list!

[@AlecOBrien-n8n]

@@jiggylookback that will be cool. I also personally don’t consider the Donkey Kong Land games to be canon since the storyline breaks the 4th wall too much

[@BirdieSenpai]

The Rareverse is my favorite in all of gaming and seeing it all mapped out so joyously sates a curiosity I've held since early childhood back when Rare was just getting on the map with DKC! It's times like these I wish Rare has retained all their contributions to the Donkey Kong universe, just not being able to use the Donkey Kong, so they could have continued DK games and maybe even crossed over DK and Banjo more. Maybe they'd have called him Dumpy Kong since he's as strong as a dumptruck. On the Nintendo side, they may have gone back to DK and DK Jr. type games and characters, maybe even making a Ms. Pac-Man-esque Mrs. Donkey Kong as a mother to Junior. One can dream.

[@jiggylookback]

Yeah I wish Rare retained all that too.

[@NeverThatx2]

So many of my favorite childhood games all in the same universe !!!!

[@jiggylookback]

HECK YEAH!

[@jamesoffutt2801]

If James Bond is a part of the world of rareware, then if Nintendo bought rareware, I would say James Bond would be in the universe that is Metroid.

[@jiggylookback]

Word! That would be epic

[@jamesoffutt2801]

As well as perfect dark​@@jiggylookback

[@AlonzoTompkins]

Still hilarious to think about how, before the DS remake of Diddy Kong Racing, Conker’s Bad Fur Day was canon to the Mario universe.

[@jiggylookback]

Right?!

[@banjo9158]

Even after the remake, Tiptup is still there, and he is a Banjo character.

[@AlonzoTompkins]

@@banjo9158Yeah. Just not Conker anymore. Lol

[@ShadwSonic]

There's quite a few logical leaps here, as it sees _any_ reference to a game property and concludes they exist... but I'm certain they have the concept of fiction. Thus the initial connections from DK to Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, Mr. Pants, and Jet Force Gemini are all moot due to them just being posters or TV shows (neat that Pants is in Gemini though). And tying Star Fox into this was an even _bigger_ stretch. Those two characters are entirely different, with nothing to suggest a connection other than a shared name and reference to walking on earth (note I didn't capitalize earth, as the correct interpretation here is "dirt", not "our planet"). I _will_ give you Sea of Thieves though. If it were _just_ the stylized Banjo picture, _just_ a place that looked like Treasure Trove, or _just_ Blackeye, it would again be a stretch, but all three together suggest it's the same world. Which... means I now need to consider how Shovel Knight fits into all this, since it's connected to Sea of Thieves via Battletoads. And since he shows up all over the indie game scene... Anyway, dismissing Mario's presence in that specific world is just as much of a stretch as including Star Fox. Discounting Smash makes sense, as even if it's the "real" characters, there's some dimensional shenanigans going on there, but doing the same for Mario spinoffs is quite silly. Heck, as non-canon to the games as the Mario Movie is, it clearly shows that Nintendo themselves think DK and Mario live on the same planet. And you got the DK family wrong (as most do), DK isn't DK Jr. grown up, but the son of DK Jr. No, we don't know what happened to DK Jr. The Ghoulies connection is sketchy too, for the same "fiction is a thing" reason previously. That may look like Banjo's species, but it's clearly not his head... and a Banjo head being in Conker clearly shows these things can be artificially created. And the mansion in N&B's background is too generic from this distance to suggest a connection, as is the supposed connection between Ghoulies and Viva Pinata. Oh, and LOG's "connections" to worlds are _as video games,_ and thus possibly fiction. Not for certain mind you, but not every game can be a "true story" now can it? Now, as for Link... I'm going to suggest that this is _after_ Smash 64. There simply aren't any spots in Mario's world large enough to house any version of Hyrule, especially after Odyssey. And that goes _quadruple_ for Sonic, since Unleashed shows its _own_ map of the planet... though he still crosses over from time to time, if Olympic Games are to be believed (which are a much stronger tie than shoes). Jim's blaster? I can't think of either a way for him to be in the same world _or_ brought in via Smash, so maybe it's just fiction. That doesn't sound right, but neither does it _not_ being fiction. And that "mask" is just a smear of Jim shaking his head. I should also mention that, since Mario's and DK's worlds are _definitely_ one and the same, that connections to Metroid and Kirby also exist (the former shows up both in SMRPG _and_ Kirby Dreamland 3). While the former could just be a dimensional visit, the latter cannot, because there's no way _actual Metroids_ are appearing on Popstar if it isn't in the same universe... but that's a shared world with Metroid, not Mario.

[@jiggylookback]

That’s very detailed and I don’t think I want to respond to every point, but I appreciate the thoroughness. Yes I was stretching it a bit. I think I even say that, but since it’s fun and speculative it’s ok to do. The starfox connection is something I asked Kev Bayliss who was the art director in Diddy Kong Racing and the voice of Tricky himself who said they weren’t the same character but they were related. I initially was going to have him as a guest on this video so me saying that got cut out. I just didn’t feel like re-recording again as it would cause me to re-edit again lol. The Kong lineage is highly debated. In Country Cranky is DK’s Grandfather and in 64 he is his father. It’s been said Cranky is senile but also the creator Miyamoto went with the father route for the movie suggesting that’s what he liked. I’m not acknowledging the movie as canon but saying Miyamoto who created DK seemed to prefer that. The Grabbed by the Ghoulies mansion in Showdown town is acknowledged to be the same as the actual game on a lot of online wikis not to mention it looks exactly the same. There are also further connections to Banjo in grabbed by the Ghoulies like documents. The fiction route is maybe plausible but that’s not fun at all. I like Earthworm Jim. That’s the only reason he’s in there 😂 Maybe I’ll respond more later but this is all I want to atm cooking dinner haha but again appreciate the thoughtful comment

[@banjo9158]

Detail: Shovel Knight and Battletoads crossover, is one of the few that is 100% confirmed to be canon. Banjo and DK is also 100% guarantee, Banjo even mention those events in Nuts and Bolts, and I agree that leaving Mario out is weird, Nintendo clearly see Mario, DK and Punch-Out as all part of a single universe. Idk how I feel about Sea of Thieves X Banjo, and Sea of Thieves X Battletoads, if it's in the same universe or a shared multiverse, Shovel Knight and Battletoads seens to be just a Multiversal thing, just like God of War X Shovel Knight (which is also 100% confirmed to be canon) hell, there is also the K.I X Battletoads crossover to consider too, so the Battletoads might be just a shared Multiverse thing, I don't know how to feel about Sea of Thieves x Banjo. Banjo x Sabrewulf seens to be in the same universe for sure. but Sabrewulf from K.I could be just an alternate reality of Sabrewulf, there is definetly a connection there, a shared Multiverse at minimum, I'm not sure about same universe though, but could be too. About Link and Kirby, there's also Kirby appearing in Link's awakening. so one more connection there. The fiction route though is kinda screwy for both cases, because L.O.G sees even Banjo-Kazooie itself as games and fiction too. so that one could go either way.

[@andrescube64]

I can just imagine James Bond meeting Banjo and Kazooie lol

[@jiggylookback]

That would be an epic meeting for sure 🤣 I wonder how it would play out

[@gangstertalk]

This is a good video. It made me cut the rare logo in my arm.

[@jiggylookback]

That’s pretty hardcore. And I dig it.

[@backup_account_1]

This is a rare universe

[@jiggylookback]

Absolutely

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of Mapping the Rare Universe momentum 100

[@jiggylookback]

😂

[@torvosheza]

Ok vengo a molestar in english I thought I heard that modern Donkey was Jr but my English hearing may fail, just in case I should warn you that modern DK is Jr's son and no one knows what happened to Jr (in terms of lore). Now I'll bother you with Saber Wulf (1984). It was a saga of several games; Saber Wulf, Underwulrde, Knight Lore, Atic Atac, Pentagram and the canceled Mire Mare. I have not been able to study many of them well but while in Saber Wulf, Sabreman fights against the gigantic wolf, in Knight Lore Sabreman is cursed and becomes a werewolf version of Saber Wulf, it is assumed that at the end of the game he manages to heal, BUT yes I take into account your theory that all the Sabers were connected to each other (I already liked DKU but I didn't think about connecting Sabers), Maybe Sabreman could have had offspring while being cursed or that the cure only worked on him but not on his descendants in the future and this would be the elderly relative who gave rise to the curse of Count Von Sabrewulf, who in his description says that the curse was inherited from the family. I'll see if I can follow you on Twitter ;) (or I probably already follow you and I haven't realized xD)

[@jiggylookback]

Exactly I was implying Sabrewulf in Killer Insitinct was connected to the old one in some way not necessarily the same one. And the DK Jr thing is actually kind of a canon lore issue. The country games say modern DK is Crankys grandson but DK64 says he’s his son. So it could go either way. Also in Mario tennis baby Mario and Mario are playable and so is dk jr and regular DK. It’s kind of an unclear situation but I side with Modern dk is dk jr cause I love 64!

[@torvosheza]

@@jiggylookback I thought that too but Gregg Mayles said that Cranky sometimes calls him son because of senility. On the other hand, Nintendo is not very into Lords, they don't like them for some reason, the Hyrule story was removed because the fans had just finished making a theory with a functional timeline for Zelda and N didn't like it. The good thing is that at least there was more merchandise. With DK there were some problems. When Rare separated from Nintendo over money, both the US and Latin American magazines that belonged to Nintendo began with a very small avalanche of "Rare's Donkey Kong were never good, they just wanted them for their graphics and music" on the part of Rare. of those in charge of the magazines, those people who normally wrote the articles. I thought it had only happened in the magazine in my country but some friends showed me articles from magazines in their countries (we are investigating if the same thing happened in Japan). When Nintendo paid an external company to make DK games like Paon, Namco and I don't remember which other, Diddy, Dixie, the Kremlins and things from the lore came out, but when it released its first Donkey Kong from the 2000s it avoided the lore (I like jungle beat but it's very obvious). Later he had the Mario vs Donkey Kong saga made. It was as if inside the N offices there was a group of people trying very hard to separate DK from the lore and another group trying to keep the lore fans happy. Multiplayer Mario games already include baby mario and mario. I forgot to mention this last one, I don't know if it helps you, in DKC3 it is mentioned that Link was negotiating rupees for information from Baron K. Roolestein's castle

[@jiggylookback]

@@torvosheza haha that’s awesome. Yeah Nintendo screws with the lore too since Shigeru Miyamoto invented DK he claimed Cranky was his father and that’s why in the Mario movie that’s what they go with. Idk what to believe 😂 I just like the idea of a character NOT disppearing for no reason

[@torvosheza]

@@jiggylookback Shigeru only created the DK that Mario dated, the one that according to the manual was mistreated in a cage and that only Pauline treated well to the point that when he escaped he took Pauline in a bad attempt to rescue her (without knowing that Pauline was not in danger with Mario. The creation of Cranky, the story of him as the elderly arcade version of DK, the design of the modern Donkey Kong, the creation of Diddy and the other kongs, kremlings, as well as the created universe of said characters. They are the work of Gregg Mayles, Kevin Bayliss, Steve Mayles and another guy whose name I can't remember and I hope he'll forgive me. Miyamoto's contributions do exist, but they are very small, like putting a tie on DK or the Ninendo sign on Diddy's cap, although the fruit weapons thing is a contribution that I love.

[@jiggylookback]

True, but still the DK64 game said different then the Country series XD but I hear you@@torvosheza

[@its_me_jp_]

Awesome video! Congrats on the channel blowing up!

[@jiggylookback]

Thank you! You will always be one of my first supporters bro 😁 you encouraged me when I first started and told me it was good so that drove me to continue. Much love!

[@linklink4real]

But young Conker comes from land shown in his gameboy game or the scrapped land of Conker Twelve tails

[@jiggylookback]

I had a video about the whole Berri Twelve Tales situation. I don’t think the location is necessarily different but the timeline has been altered. You should go watch that video!

[@linklink4real]

@@jiggylookback okay I will thank you for the clarification! well made video btw)

[@jiggylookback]

@@linklink4real thanks so much for watching! I really appreciate it! This video was a blast to make