Overwatch's Spawn Points Are Not Mirrored

[@Marblr]

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[@ivanhermoso5330]

Hope ur doing great, it's good to have you back bud!!!

[@SupahFib]

It’s good to have you back! Hope you’re doing well.

[@ShaneMowgli]

We'll always be here for marblr content ❤

[@nadirbaitsaleem7270]

Happy to have you back whenever you find something interesting! Also, Venture release is coming up so that could be a fun video with the abilities 👀

[@mikkin]

so happy you're back my goat 💖🔥

[@blacklight683]

guys we didnt lose because we suck, we lost cuz we spawned 0.01m farther than the other team

[@Antifrost]

12:18 "Okay, so Team 1 has twelve spawn points" This bit of trivia is going to haunt me for the rest of my life

[@Neotrinity7]

I wonder if this has to do with the bot spawn locations for the cthulu event during season 9 where one of the rooms have a bunch of bots spawning at the same time.

[@yukisoba8888]

@@Neotrinity7that actually makes a lot of sense

[@kirbyhypno2522]

​@@yukisoba8888 It'd be interesting if we could see the map pre-Season 9 so we could see if it actually just has 6

[@zfilms4858]

*tf2 theme plays, followed by all the tf2 mercs laughing* Feel free to insult this comment overwatch community

[@Antifrost]

@@zfilms4858 I would, but A) I'm not in the Overwatch community, and B) I haven't played TF2 in probably over a decade so you'll have to forgive me if I don't understand the joke ;_;

[@Breadn]

You've found another way for people to cope with losses that were definitely not their fault, but the 0.25 second difference from spawn points.

[@Naza95]

not gonna lie, matches in wich i ABSOLUTELY reached the payload but the game decided i didnt, did come to my mind.

[@cybermandanny5958]

@@Naza95 this is what i was thinking.my entire team half a step from the objective... it's definitely happened a few times

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@Yukito710It matters to all of the characters, just more to the slower 1s.

[@josephreynolds2401]

​@@Naza95 Every player has had these games and as a result this is not a small issue. Every player has had this happen multiple times of they've played 100 games or more.

[@anrii9730]

This is the reason why Shock lost map 7 vs the Dallas Fuel at the 2022 Grand Finals on Colosseo

[@tusami3315]

I can't wait to see "adjusted respawn points in order to make more fair and logical spawns" in the next set of patch notes

[@krodmandoon3479]

I can't wait to see which spawn point is canonically gay after the next Actiblizzard controversy.

[@AdhvaithSane]

@@krodmandoon3479 😂

[@LiquifyO]

@@krodmandoon3479 ?

[@LukaLolly]

@@krodmandoon3479wow never heard that one before! because that’s something that definitely happens!

[@illuminoeye_gaming]

@@krodmandoon3479 (*exec does sexual harassment*) UH UH SPAWN POINT 3 IS NOW YOUR MOTHER'S NURSE'S CAREGIVER

[@Foos3yOW]

What I found the most interesting is that Horizon has 5 spawn points despite being an Overwatch 1 map

[@Zen-db5pp]

Maybe some dev thought about reducing the amount of spawn points for all maps but after a few maps got bored and decided there's no point in that

[@FoxtrotGameplays]

No no, he had a point, a Spawn one.

[@ciach0_]

@@Zen-db5pp they thought of keeping 2CP in Overwatch 2, but scrapped that idea (you can see it in the OW2 trailer having a 2CP Gothenburg)

[@iro9697]

Im just throwing this out there as my guess as to why (although I have no idea more than anyone else) but maybe the reason it has 5 spawn points instead of the usual 6 is because when they reworked the map to be space opera themed in season 4, maybe someone touched on them then? Again, idk but that's my guess.

[@Marblr]

@@iro9697 Horizon was also significantly reworked back in 2018, but I'm not sure if the map had 6 spawn points prior to that because...well, old overwatch versions are lost to time.

[@yxnito]

6:09 I love the added E on the Circuit Royal. It's a subtile statement but it's there

[@vulpesinculta3478]

I like the added I in subtle. It's a smaill change but it's there

[@Quataure]

@@vulpesinculta3478 I love the added I in small. It's a minimial change but it's there

[@mariahvigil4602]

​@@Quataure I love the added I in minimal. It's a silight change, but its there.

[@Miss_circle-91-]

@@mariahvigil4602 i love the added aura in myself It’s such a subtle change but its there

[@AnujMahalingam]

@@mariahvigil4602 I love the added I in slight. It's a teiny change but its there.

[@charKT-7461]

blaming my c9 on a bad spawn location is now valid

[@Hietakissa]

we're about to get favored and uphill battle rank modifiers based on our spawns

[@spencerstanley4759]

P😊​@@Hietakissa

[@allanlugo7842]

What the fudge is c9?

[@Saoshinkid]

Do people just genuinely not know what C9ing actually is. Suddenly in season 9 everyone is using it incorrectly. Not reaching the point in time isnt C9ing. Its when you forget to touch it while having every opportunity to.

[@purplantic3]

@@Saoshinkid with new players joining since overwatch is free, its obvious not a lot will know the real context/meaning of C9. Heck I just learned it a month ago despite starting OW a year ago

[@bstreet500]

“Since these maps are perfectly mirror, there are no differences betwe- oh wait they’re different…” funniest line ever! So happy you’re back Marblr!! Missed you

[@NolansGoons]

Always found it weird how I'd always respawn in different places or how symmetrical maps felt different from either side. Thank you, marble man for your scientific data and your triumphant return

[@Markm8]

This is definitely a “how did you guys mess this up” kind of vibe

[@robotizedcyborg7788]

I think they never really thought about it, it seems like the kind of mistake that you make when you fail to realize the severity of one's current decision.

[@Neuvost]

in OW1 the spawn points were placeholders until they weren't, and deathmatch was, like, intentionally unbalanced. then during OW2's development, Bobby Kotick had the devs working eighty hour weeks on dumb shit that (surprise!) turned out not to be fun, and not a soul remembers how those spawn points got there. oh, and then they were fired after the merger

[@10Neon]

@@robotizedcyborg7788 I think they correctly realized the lack of severity

[@Markm8]

@@Neuvost yea placeholder definitely is the best option of what happened

[@Nikoemmp]

I’m pretty sure they probably didn’t think it was a big deal and well… it probably still isn’t as marblr pointed out, no one ever cared about this for 7+ years lmao.

[@azraelspeaks]

As a QA lead (for a completely unrelated industry) your vids are always fun to watch. It also shows how beneficial a good QA team can be. Either these were caught and the devs said, "F*CK IT! WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!" or the QA team was never assigned to look for these types of issues. I am thinking it is the former and it has never been any sort of issue.

[@rya_.]

MARBLR IS THAT YOU????

[@SimoneBellomonte]

Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿

[@rya_.]

@@SimoneBellomonte It’s from the trailer of ‘lies of p’ with glasses edited on. Pretty sure I got it from a thumbnail though. 🤺 your pfp is just as fabulous

[@spookyw1zard]

no its ME

[@NewoSuez]

the addition of a tiny 'E' for Circuit Royal(e) in the top left makes me happy, it only makes sense

[@PersonManManManMan]

Yes

[@NateFigs]

Played for thousands of hours and never even thought about this mechanic. Thank you Marblr 🙏🙏🙏 another thing I can blame when I lose

[@xxmemekipxxlastname4846]

the collesieum one has to be fixed thats just straight up unfair

[@baitposter]

I've thought about the asymmetry of spawns since the very beginning of Overwatch 1 tbh, it's an important consideration in shooter map design

[@homergriffin2211]

I love the subtle detail of the dotted lines moving either faster or slower depending on the varying speeds. Chefs kiss

[@nadirbaitsaleem7270]

We finally get the origin of the "Marble-er" name 👀

[@ITalk69]

Glad to see you back! Always love your informative Overwatch videos ♥

[@3bdullah666]

didn’t expect it here

[@Persephone_]

11:11 glad to see Spilo made it into the video xD

[@sirius1320]

1111...what a timestamp

[@myseglis]

Will they remove the glass first or fix the spawn points first

[@SimoneBellomonte]

Spilo?

[@ciach0_]

@@SimoneBellomonte he's hearable in the background and when you enable video captions

[@BeastMode-bw2ry]

"REMOVE THE GLASS!!!!" Lmao

[@hexenhaus_]

from this day onward i will blame everything on the spawnpoints. thank you for covering this.

[@Miki_hero]

When the world needed him most, he came back. Fucking legend.

[@bung_us7207]

13:36 one of the many reasons i love these videos

[@familyfraser7905]

And one of the only reasons I hate this map...

[@VonSnuggles1412]

Wait, you work on marble it up ultra?! No way, that's so cool!

[@ItsSageCertified]

THIS EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY CLIPS OF PEOPLE SPAWNING ONTOP OF EACH OTHER AND PUSHING EACH OTHER FROM THE INSIDE!! THATS SO NEAT

[@frogboy77]

whoever drew that D.Va must be really cool

[@frutti]

Thank you frogboy77

[@0ak_]

No way you started this off with an Andy hunter song, my childhood memories of playing ssx3 just came back holy shit

[@spamilicious]

I love Marble It Up and was genuinely shocked you worked on it 😅 welcome back!

[@briannas18473]

I really wish you would’ve talked about flashpoint spawns. I’ve felt before that the spawns aren’t fair and getting one point and then the opposite team getting placed right next to the next spawn and your team having to walk across the map has always drove me crazy

[@crenoxi4155]

Finally a new marblr masterpeace. I missed you man, hope you get into regular reuploads - and if not ill just enjoy the inconsistent masterpeaces :) thank you

[@vitorschultz9892]

5:03 Oh god. That music! No!!! A presses!!! Scuttlebugs!!! Parallel Universes!!! De facto speed!!! PU allignment!!! Syncing speeds!!! The QPU grid!!! NO!!! IT'S ALL COMING BACK!!! PLEASE!!! MAKE IT STOP!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Cloud7050]

This definitely feels like an oversight. Also I really appreciate your overanalysing of things like this. Going super deep into the "useless" details and exact numbers. It takes a special kind of person with unique dedication and interests to make undoubtedly high quality content like this, and surprisingly there's a healthy amount of viewers who'd watch it.

[@polar8682]

something else to mention is rollouts. there are a lot of maps with geometry in the spawn room that are used for rollouts, which you can't reach as smoothly/quickly depending on your spawn room. as a lucio main ive noticed it alot, especially in rialto 2nd point attack where you can't smoothly line up for the narrow part and makes it much harder to do the ideal rollout for it

[@tbnrrenagade9507]

This was rather intriguing I must admit. The instance of Colosseo's spawns could be the explanation for why I always see the side with the spawn advantage managing to hold the bot in overtime for ridiculous amounts of time while the other side I rarely see overtime last long.

[@BeastMode-bw2ry]

Good thing their reworking it in season 11. That day can't come any faster.

[@tbnrrenagade9507]

@@BeastMode-bw2ry All they'll probably do is remove the glass. Do you really expect blizzard to fix spawns?

[@locom1076]

thank you so much for this lmao. I've been so curious in the past why because sometimes it feels o weird not spawn in the same place.

[@keelanruffner5440]

Sometimes the random spawn decides what door is faster to leave from. This is important for heroes like Lucio that do different rollouts out of each door, even if the doors are parallel to each other.

[@GLA55MA5TER]

Working on marble it up already makes you the goat. These videos only further cement your case.

[@Persephone_]

Love ur videos glassmaster ♥️

[@ParanoidDrone]

An idea for a video, if you're interested: I've noticed that Kiriko's "Kitsune Rush Assists" stat seems to be weirdly inflated, in that a single use of Kitsune Rush will sometimes result in more assists than there are enemy players to get assists on in the first place. My current theory is that it counts an assist for each teammate that contributed to the kill, but then that leaves the question of why is Kitsune Rush the only ability that counts assists in this way? (Or if it's not, what other abilities do?)

[@kimicrewe4443]

I noticed that too and yeah I think the same thing, if your teammates participate in the same kill it inflates assists. Cool to know someone else noticed this

[@MasterMemo]

Oh interesting, so in theory, if all four of your teammates contributed to a team wipe while in Kitsune rush, you'd get 20 assists?

[@allanlugo7842]

​​​@stio_studioi've heard that too, but don't check the stats when it happens, i need to check because i play thinking its an audio bug which casually started with the addition of pig pen

[@Cruzin249]

Assists are more of status effect related. Either a positive effect for your teammate such as damage boost or nano...or a negative one towards the enemy such as sleeping and bleed. I've noticed how kill/elim counts are never accurate as well. I've mentioned it to a few streamers about elims not being accurate but I'm pretty much dismissed on it. But yeah, like someone mentioned earlier, if 3 people attacked an enemy, then those 3 will get an elim count instead of the final blow player getting an elim and the other 2 would get an assist like in other games.

[@eddiemate]

I've had my friend tell me that kitsune assists just come from hitting enemies during kitsune rather than assisting on a kill, which makes sense with how nothing can happen during my terrible kitsunes but I can still gain like 30 assists in a game.

[@Nxccraft]

man I missed your videos , they are just so pleasant on the eyes I can't wait to see a whole game dev journey miniseries or just videos outside of OW

[@originalpadoru]

the return of the king

[@SimoneBellomonte]

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[@zenitsuyaboi9879]

​@@SimoneBellomontegoogle padoru Nero

[@Smaug_le_dore]

I will never use this piece of information in my life, but i still find it fascinating, thank you for your work Marblr :D

[@Mazerwolf]

I really shouldn’t be surprised that Marblr worked on one of the best Marble games

[@AleksanderFimreite]

This is exactly the kind of investigation I find very interesting to watch. Appriciate your video! "GG, got spawn X... Match is basically lost!"

[@whynotanyting]

I love the insane work you put into finding out strange inconsistencies. I'd absolutely would fix this if I could, but I'm sure whoever placed them didn't give it a second thought in favor of reaching a deadline.

[@AU_edits]

The legend is back!)

[@natotater]

I absolutely *live* for the silly, hyperspecific details you manage to uncover. Good to see you back!

[@MrWoodenSheep]

I love Marble it up so much! Really nice surprise to hear you worked on it. Great video as always :) Keep up the great work

[@elinoris8047]

Wow i started falling out of overwatch about the same time you stopped uploading and ive just gotten back in with the pre-release of venture and here you are! Seriously though take the time you need to make your amazing content!

[@ciach0_]

Venture brings people together

[@jayqbird]

never thought id be this invested in half seconds worth of random spawn placements, but here i am. great video dude

[@joelbaker2551]

so good to see you back! the stuff you make is so consistently excellent :)

[@periodicwastaken5636]

the concept of this video is so cool, thank you for making it and doing such a good job! you definitely earned a sub

[@DrTacoPHD665]

I love Marble It Up! Awesome to hear you've worked on that, and a new video in general

[@danysweek5230]

Your videos are very good. I get a lot out of them to do and study about my game designs. Great job! I hope you can do that with more different games someday

[@IRONMANFAN-oc9fr]

Awesome video! I’m actually really thankful that someone looked into this because I always thought it was weird on Colloseo how one team always got to point faster, but I just figured I was going insane. Vindicated!! Thank you Marblr!

[@jamesharding7536]

Well remember at the start of the match, everyone can move towards the doors before they open

[@LukiKruki]

@@jamesharding7536 It doesn't matter. After that the position of spawning points decide whenever the team will win the match

[@_DrPotato]

Wow never played overwatch and dunno why I decided to click the video, but huge fan of marble it up, it’s like my 4th most played game on steam and that’s not counting the hundreds of hours on mobile. Thank you for making such a cool game!

[@artbytim_4962]

I found you out recently, but when I saw you disappeared a got sad cause I liked your content and wanted to watch more. I’m glad to see you’re back! 😊

[@spencergc]

OMG! The way your game took me back to playing marble blast ultra on my parents CRT as a kid! What a throwback! I hope the development goes smoothly that looks like it'll be a blast! (pun absolutely intended)

[@Notless]

This video is strangely specific and really well crafted Nice job lol

[@ixel_bunny]

MARBLR BACK WOOP WOOP BACK WITH A BANGER AND A SPRINKLE OF SILLY EDITING I LOVE IT

[@OmicronGaming]

The king of high quality overwatch content has returned to claim his crown 👑👑👑

[@j-sun3821]

Thank you Marblr! Glad you're back :) I have been curious about the formation of spawn points. I like looking back at the team and seeing everyone lined up but this is a rare case as most people tend to move from their starting position right away ):

[@TheRustedPixel]

When I saw "mirror" in the title I stopped for a moment cos I thought you had insider information on the new Mirror Universe for Season 10...turns out it was about spawn points and was much more interesting too!

[@ciach0_]

actually your comment aged like wine, you've predicted the season's theme

[@mage4242]

The 4 Spawnpoints on Midtown attack would explain why I spawn inside of another team mate so often on that map. Like enough that I can recognise that it's a thing

[@ZombieaidZ]

No exaggeration when I say seeing you in my sub feed made my day. Genuine excitement seeing your channels name when I opened KZbin.

[@idonthinkso807]

YOUR THE PERSON WHO MADE MARBLE IT UP!!! i love that game :D

[@cedricksusername]

I was rewatching your old videos recently, glad to see you're back!

[@hollymoder]

i cant blieve ur the guy who made marble it up, i found that ganme for like a dollar when it forst came out and i didnt even know it still got updates!!! im glad ytoure doing well thank you so much :)

[@welkin7321]

wow youre back! hope youre doing very well with all the projects youre working on!!

[@igorka5exe]

your game is really good! i watched a streamer playing Marble It Up! Ultra 4 years ago and i still have vivid memories

[@SkidesGames]

Dont play the game anymore but I just thought about this channel the other day, glad to see another upload!

[@cramorantisgod4533]

Someone on the Overwatch team has waited YEARS to mildly annoy someone with these asymmetrical spawns

[@theamazingmouse2441]

Welcome back!!!!! We missed you ❤

[@purpleturtle6195]

Remember those clips of people sometimes spawning inside eachother and drifting off? i remembered that kept happening on attackers midtown and this video explains why. so cool

[@ScientificallyImprobable]

Oh my gosh. Hi, Lucio main here- thank you for proving that I’m not crazy. I always found the rollouts seemed ever so slightly off depending on team selection and people just told me that I was just spawning in a different spot and that nothing changes between the teams- but I WAS RIGHT! Thank you, that drove me insane when I used to play overwatch.

[@luis4rod]

Glad you're back, I've been checking in your channel the past few weeks actually! Hope you're doing better. Another fascinating observation and nice to see all the data. We demand symmetrical spawns on symmetrical maps!!

[@Al-hb6uj]

This guy is so cool man I love this guy

[@KoldKat]

I can’t believe you’re the person who’s making marble it up. I’ve seen it over the years and was introduced to the game by simpleflips, never would have made the connection that you made it. Keep up the good work big guy!

[@damocleas]

FINALLY SOMEONE MAKES A VID ABOUT THIS TOPIC I was getting so bothered on Gibraltar defender spawn points the other day and tried to look stuff up and found nothing.

[@justycemcrae2090]

i’m really impressed at how much work you put into this video. new subscriber, keep up the good work. you have to be very smart to research all of this. 🙂

[@shooshiwhooshi8736]

When we needed him most...

[@CaptainBen10]

The legend has uploaded! This explains so much! I was always bothered by something but I could never put My finger on it. Now I know it's the spawn point

[@iyxon]

The Spilo voice clip at 11:11 IJBOLLL

[@sorin_markov]

ijbol 💀

[@Symbra]

I love this content. It's rare to find this level of quality and commitment

[@Sizzyl]

4:04 Circuit Royalᵉ

[@zarlus8]

I'm glad you coverd OW2 spawns. I've been interested in if there was reasoning why they are placed in those locations. Example mentioned at 8:12. The devs intentionally built these rooms differently; (even though in context the rooms serve narratively different purposes), spawn locations and routes through the rooms could have been created identically.

[@matthewwong707]

11:35 this vexes me

[@Monkey_30000]

i have blood dripping down my nose that is dripping

[@thefireofthefox1]

Never watched you before, but I love Marble it Up!

[@johnnyboy90528]

Watching a video about Overwatch (a game that I don't really care about) and being told that you're a Marble It Up dev (a game that I love) hit me like a sack of bricks.

[@pewnit]

Omg i watched your videos a few days ago wondering where you were. Glad you're doing well!

[@We5ley]

15:53 🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@Xokolatxo]

I didn't think I would watch a 16 minutes video about OW spawning. Very interesting Marblr and I didn't know about your marble game ! Great return

[@hulk-.-]

i never in my life thought i would laugh at a video that talks about spawn points in video games. thanks, i love it.

[@royceblack6752]

5:03 OMG YES!!! PERFECT MUSIC CHOICE!!! That is probably my favorite video on the internet

[@djinni2005]

OMFG At 1:31 I realized you're using the Blinx 2 "Prepare for Battle" music!!! I didn't know anyone else cared about that game or even remembered it lol. What a chad

[@PedroBaleeiro]

What a great video! Awesome quality and really entertaining. I hope blizzard solves these inconsistencies, because they are really off-puting...

[@AnnaDaSn1per]

That break in character at the end has me dying lmao good video

[@hoolly]

Mr Overwatch Sciene is back! THANK YOU!

[@pedronunes3063]

I liked the video in the beginning, now I really regret it... Because I can't like it a second time after finishing watching

[@tazumajz2940]

Appreciate the editing getting better and better every video.

[@sydney5064]

WOW YOU WORKED ON MARBLE IT UP ULTRA!????? The original Marble Blast Ultra is one of my favorite games of all time and I LOVE Marble It Up!!! You did an amazing job!!!!!

[@VenomousPilot]

I USED TO PLAY MARBLE BLAST WHEN I WAS A KID!!! that’s so cool you’re a part of that project!