Marcel Hacker - Sliding Rigger

[@srsly101]

Sliding rigger means the boat pitches less as the main bulk of weight ( you) is stationary so the stern and bows stay level.

[@PaulVideoS]

I believe that it is a currently manufactured boat, and he uses it to train specific aspects of his technique, though I'm not sure what those aspects might be. Would be great to know. BTW - There really does not seem to be any actual evidence that the Sliding Riggers produced a large adavantage in overall speed. The time for the winners before they were banned were in the 7:00 range in perfect conditions.

[@PaulVideoS]

Yes, the seat is fixed to the boat. The rigger and foot stretcher are attached and ride on a rail system.

[@testl4188]

Just seen this post. I used to train with the late Beryl Mitchell when I was a schoolboy back in 1984. I asked her why they were banned - she said that one sculler was faster than another with the sliding rigger and the reverse was true with a fixed rigger. This by definition means there are two sports instead of one. I believe she was referring a couple of the top male scullers at the time. The other problem was practicality, she said sliding rigger could jam quite easily and unlike seat it would mean nearly have having scull back with body and hands only. I hope that gives some colour...

[@musicman2690]

@couss94 one of those two has to be stationary, in this case it is the seat-normally its the boat. The benefit to the stationary seat is that your bodyweight stops causing large oscilations in speed. A smooth ride like that takes much less energy than one were you have to re-accelerate the boat every stroke. They don't necessarily go faster, but it is much easier to go faster longer here than it would be in a traditional boat.

[@eoghanstaunton]

Actually a very good concept... The rower does not move in the boat only the rig... Therefore the weight of the rower doesn't counteract the momentum of the boat as he comes towards the catch.. I have heard they were banned because poorer countries couldn't afford the technology when they were first developed not sure this is true but they were used in the 1982 World championships but nowthey aren' seems plausible..

[@chewbacca1442]

i tried it out... its weird to use but u go freakin fast with hardly any pressure, after the catch the boat speed doent change at all its fkn great

[@t.purkess9682]

It looks awesome but do they actually gi faster?

[@Singe125]

@PaulVideoS My guess would be because it's a lot easier to keep a boat set this way since you're not quite shifting your weight on the boat.

[@the_canyon_carver]

Marcel pwns noobs. i saw him at a race last year. One of the best rowers of our time.

[@elite_online_rowing_coach]

I love it.

[@technofreak928]

ive seen a raill you can add on its 1000 alone then the boat you choose to adapt

[@ltcolhits]

Yes. They are also not legal in most rowing competitions.

[@PaulVideoS]

I'd imagine that the specialized hardware that must be nearly custom made increases the cost. That said, I've never seen the price for a sliding rig boat so was unaware that they were significantly more expensive, so it's just a guess based on market principles.

[@BrooksieLad95]

does a boat with a sliding rigger go quicker than a normal sliding seat boat?

[@pgbardotz]

Hi, I'm a masters rower who has and not will race. I look at rowing as a fitness thing. Are there plans or other boat manufactures that make a sliding rigger boat? It can be as banned as it can be, but I would like to row one. I am looking to purchase a boat and one like that would be the best. Any ideas? Thanks. Paul

[@manlikeswitcher]

This would simulate what it feels like to be on a RowPerfect

[@musicman2690]

False, the rigger and the seat have to be stationary relative to each other. In traditional boats they are both fixed to the shell, in the slidding rigger system they are attached to each other and the seat is fixed to the shell.

[@Leonisgoed]

is it faster than a normal rigger?

[@Gavreeli]

wouldn't this take away from challenge of learning to not throw your weight around?

[@musicman2690]

Because your bodyweight doesn't move relative to the boat, there is far less variation in boat speed throughout the cycle of each stroke. Less variation allows the same average speed with a significant decrease in energy requirements. First patented in the mid 1800's, quickly banned from competition because of the clear advantage.

[@theSculler]

Sorry, but let us not lose our center of gravity.... it is the erg which (tries to-) simulate(s) what it feels like being on a boat, not the other way round! :^)

[@TheSimmulator1]

i think they banned it for a good reason. Imagine teaching beginners to use this, rowing it time would be a nightmare and the boats would have more components which would have to be meticulously maintained in order to prevent them from breaking

[@PaulVideoS]

No, the Sliding rigger is banned from competition. No one really knows exactly why, many explanations have been given, and your concern is one of them, however the "speed advantage" has not been proven conclusively, and even Marcel says that he can row his regular boat faster. There are many opinions on both sides of the issue, adn the debate rages on.

[@technofreak928]

you dont have to buy a new boat you have to put new slides and riggers on it

[@BigDamm211]

@PaulVideoS They banned it because it was obvious better then the traditional boats. Every club that could not just afford to swap all their boats for sliding rigger boats would loose. It would not just be buying one new boat, every boat would need sliding riggers. That would mean richer clubs would win more races, and sports should be about performance not money.

[@ThievesLuck]

and they let him race against regular skulls? that seems really unfair. I definately wouldn't race against anyone in a boat like that; it's a definate advantage.

[@johnlvs2run]

He needs to pick up the pace. Maybe the oars were too big for him.

[@manlikeswitcher]

loool yeah bro

[@PaulVideoS]

RedHead - It makes the sport too expensive? LOL Have you looked at the price of equipment? It's an expensive sport no matter how you slice it. Though what you say has been promoted as one of the reasons for the banning, the real truth is not as easy to find. Most likely it just has to do with tradition rather than anything more conspiratorial. Rowers are a funny bunch, eager to hop onto new fads in an instant but clinging to dogma and tradition as if their lives depended on it. Just Smile