Ranking WoW’S Hardest Specs in 10.2

[@MarcelianOnline]

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[@chriss6356]

Arcane mage aoe: BARRAGE GO BRRRR Arcane mage single target: If a>b, then the square root of the hypotenuse is divisible by the chord of the circle with radius perpendicular to arcane intellect, but before you arcane blast, integrate e^(-x^2) and then use Stoke's Theorem to integrate differential forms on the arcane manifold.

[@MarcelianOnline]

Lol :)) I still freeze when looking over aoe rotation still :P

[@KyujiQG]

I mean the aoe rota is just being reactive; it isn't particularly hard but if you press the wrong button it can fuck you up for 4-5 globals after I personally find especially with the new set that aoe rota is more complicated than the st one ahah; since now we gotta try to keep up the 2 set without interrupting orb barrage's flow, as well as properly using the 4 set; knowing that the "basic" aoe rota makes the 4set bug; it's a struggle xD

[@duckilythelovely3040]

Manifold :) You're right, need better airflow in the arcane engine. Upgradr the Arcane injectors too while we're at it.

[@karlwarda7628]

I like how everyone who plays arcane is actually knowledgeable in math

[@SteffanTV]

Lmao exactly this. AoE is so much fun in m+ but ST’n in raiding is a beating.

[@blackwomangamer2637]

Currently playing enhancement by far one of the hardest specs in the game

[@KeViNaNoViC]

cap

[@Dontaethefist]

it's really not that hard and the only people i see that say it's hard don't play it right. Summon spirit wolves, apply flame shock, spread flame shock with lava lash, crash lightning (for st strikes to cause aoe), then spend maelstrom on chain lightning, press frost shock for aoe(with or without ice strike buff) and repeat. if you add in primordial wave, you just replace "apply flame shock" with press primordial wave. after you spread flame shock you press lightning bolt for the damage & 20%+ haste bonus and clap in aoe, rinse and repeat. it's not ret paladin or havoc easy where your aoe takes no setup, but it is not hard where you need to snap shot shit like in other specs.

[@AlexSxntana]

I used to struggle with enhance but it’s literally muscle memory, amazing class once you get the hang of it🔥

[@truinanashabdepresure4711]

​@@Dontaethefisteveryones playing primordial wave and if you're not you should be. You also have to lava lash each target affected by flame shock to add the 100% buff to its ticks. The rotation is considerably harder than most classes and if you're playing it correctly you have 3 aoe stops for casts and an interupt every 12 seconds. There's also added difficulty with survivability given the very weak defensive toolkit enh has.

[@MarcelianOnline]

I see it very high up there as well!

[@l_Nightbot_l]

I have a team of scientist while playing arcane mage backing me up with info and calculations in real time while i play BM hunter with my feet.

[@DeusRegum]

Come on Flame! Arcane is D Tier! Single Target? Spam Arcane Missiles! AOE? Spam Arcane Explosion! Out of mana? Hit the Evocation Button! EZ PZ!! Stop Over Thinking these things!! Max DPS for entire raid every time!!

[@adriankovacs4133]

That is like the vanilla rotation haha

[@DeusRegum]

@@adriankovacs4133 But it's THE BEST rotation! :P

[@adriankovacs4133]

Man, i just don't think arcane is that hard anymore. Orb barrage is so braindead, and also just the filler st rotation is super straightforward too. Only hard thing could be mana conserve phases and the cd windows that you need to put into muscle memory. I play mage and i find that the newly reworked frost is harder to play in m+ with shifting power timings mattering way more and when to not press frozen orb or comet storm. When you used arcane harmony before and also when frost was just orb and blizz and ice lance spam, i would have agreed with this point, but not anymore. And keep in mind i am saying this as an arcane mage lover.

[@jthomas7453]

Arcane mage AoE is pretty simple, but arcane mage single target is imo the most "solved" hard rotation I'm the game rn, you have to do it to a T and if you don't you'll be competing for middle of the pack damage, if you do you might be in the top 5 in a raid, assuming your group isn't made up of mythic tier players

[@Antagonisten]

I have played arcane mage for 2 weeks and its not that hard. Only hard thing is tracking what every thing does and when to use it.

[@schmidth]

It's a tiny bit unintuitive at first, but yeah... some hours on dummies and everything makes a lot of sense and gets pretty easy. I'd still say a minmaxed feral is harder for example

[@tsj8726]

As arcane watching top arcane players helps to understand how many things i dont even think, arcane at base level harder than other specs but not much, but nuance depth amazes

[@MarcelianOnline]

In the grand scheme of things, nothing is really hard in the end :D

[@Antagonisten]

@@MarcelianOnline But what really fucks arcane over is if your split damage ability target dies so does your damage XD.

[@kenai6935]

I believe sub rogue is kinda average it's all about resource management 😊😊

[@dezo1355]

Hey there, just tuning in to let you know that you got Havoc DH absolutely wrong and its not optimal to play momentum even in the slightest, Inertia is what you want to play, which as a result increases the skill ceiling by a large margin. Besides that its obviously admirable to make an effort to put out good quality wow content but just posting random videos with obvious lackluster knowledge about the state of the game just seems desperate and wrong, sad to see, but hey, gotta make do right.

[@hellothere8812]

Imao havoc is brain dead to play

[@dezo1355]

@@hellothere8812 hearing this from someone whos peak content is clearing LFR raids, is even more braindead

[@hunter0cr]

Retail is by far and AWAYYYY harder than playing anything in WOTLK and doesn't feel new player friendly. I want to like it but holy crap

[@ivankovachev8835]

there are simpler builds that do 90% of the DPS.

[@fallefel8132]

Muh Wrath hardcore

[@Blaze01250]

Unholy is way more difficult than that. I’m sure I’m gonna get flak but, funneling everything into particular cds ramp time and setup rivals some of those a tier imo.

[@slimzztv9963]

I remember when people logged on wow because characters were an extension of them. No analytics no charts. You picked a class and people knew you for who were not for damage numbers and trying to bring the most optimal. The essence of WoW as an MMO has changed dramatically. I often question if it was for the better or not.

[@Thrall966]

It is for the better . Because I still live both worlds . One day I’m pushing +25 and the other day I’m attending a wedding in cathedral square

[@slimzztv9963]

@@Thrall966 I feel like that’s far and few between. But glad a few are still able to understand what the original essence and purpose was

[@Lifeisgood86]

@slimzztv9963 that’s how I play still. I don’t care about numbers or item level. I just play because I want to. I don’t care much for raiding anyway. All the gear I buy is usually BOE and therefore can be purchased in the AH so I can still get the numbers without actually having to do much for it. I play because I like the game not because I want to do the numbers crap or be the best or whatever

[@kind2rethink]

You mean like.first few months of vanilla haha😂😂where evryone just plane su ked at the game

[@ShadzHorkos]

Never much cared about charts. I often start play some random different class, but always return to rogue as that what feels for me the most comfortable and my style(especially assassination and sub)

[@notimportant6506]

Bruh brewmaster is fun to play, feels unique and i hope it stays this way. Brew is my main and im hoping to keep it as a main. blasting 20 keys and i dont even feel like im tanking, im just pushing buttons and pulling moar mopbs :D. Brew is verry tanky right now i love it the tier deff helps with some consistant healing

[@dirusj4006]

WW in the same tier as Guardian and Fury... you need to not be smoking the funky stuff before making these.

[@U2N1fan]

After playing are rogue specs after the rework, I'd have to say sub rogue is C tier for me, Assassin A, Outlaw SSS but that's probably just me, can't seem to make outlaw work no matter how much I try to, Bring back my combat:(

[@Garbage315]

Outlaw is the hardest rogue spec by a mile since they're forcing everybody into the stealth build.

[@msscott22]

I remember when Combat was the brainless spec. Oh how times have changed.

[@martinkarkovich3037]

bro its impossible to react to the Between the Eyes procs. And also knowing which buffs to keep its really tricky

[@Mikesart98]

As a Brewmaster main I live my life in constant fear knowing my stagger will kill me simply because I forgot to purify and I was pumping out damage instead 💀

[@thegrim_1]

Ret is by far easier than Frost DK. Imagine if you could only hit multiple targets with Divine Storm if your tank stood in your Consecrate, and your Wings only lasted 10 seconds...

[@CoreyGoebel]

i had this exact thought as i main both. Ret is by far much easier to do damage on than frost

[@thesilliestespeon]

id rather not imagine that thank you very much

[@thegrim_1]

@@thesilliestespeon then definitely don't imagine the scenario above, but if your Consecrate was only visible to you like Defile. Then top that off with not being able to see some ground effects if they appear underneath your Consecrate :D

[@devonboes2376]

Frost Mage has just become an ice turret and I love it. Juicy 700k crits from Glacial Spike and they splash with the 4 set is super nice in m+ for priority targets.

[@brice9013]

Feels so good to push glacial soike and watch it chunk mobs

[@devonboes2376]

@@brice9013 watch em go from 30% to dead in 2.2 seconds

[@coops1992]

still sucks compared to fire

[@brice9013]

@@coops1992 based off what? Def not based on top keys cleared becz frost is up there with fire. Its also more forgiving and you dont need to pull around it like you need to with fire.

[@notbenbutbenji]

just wait until you get that juicy fuckin balefire and those 700k crits turn into 1mil crits, god damn is it such a fun spec to main right now

[@davidgreenberg8456]

Ain't no way you put Mistweaver in B tier below Devoker (one of the simplest classes to play).

[@ryanacheson8338]

Madness windows are not a problem for destro anymore as it was removed in 10.2 and replaced with a talent that gives a flat damage increase

[@MarcelianOnline]

Then screw it!

[@gordon7205]

Which has made it horrid to play constantly hard casting CB with no haste buff.

[@SK-pi6cn]

Arcane isn't that bad after a little practice, it looks way more complex when its written on paper but actually doing it really isn't that bad. Only took a few days to get it down and its pretty easy to fix the rotation if u have to move a little during it.

[@Belahl-fo4dh]

I think all three rogue specs are in the proper place, but 2 of them are much more fun than the 3rd. Outlaw is pure garbage in my opinion. The spec does nothing to honor the legacy of the spec it replaced, instead it has some playstyle seems to be something that should belong to sub, except you still have the enormous rng from procs and RtB. Ambush doesn't belong in an outlaw rotation, neither does shadowmeld, these should be sub only talents. Watching for all the procs and keeping track of the buff and debuffs with the super high apm is like spinning plates while playing the paino. Its not fun, just a tedious hot mess of a spec.

[@lukepeters1913]

Outlaw rogue is just a terrible spec in general. Sub is probably the toughest of the 3 to truly master. Usually the lowest of the 3 specs tho

[@jurgenbuntinx1]

For people that lose aggro with brewmaster on packpulls, use the talent that breath of fire goes off multiple times, (get keg smash resets breath) use it before the pull crane kick kegsmash celestial brew and fire again

[@sean9267]

A bit triggered Unholy is that low. Have to press 6 CDs before you start doing damage. The packs are half dead by the time you do all that...

[@ohhhbirdy5975]

I'm probably biased being an ele sham main now for 2 expansions but I never found it difficult, I'd honestly go as far to say it's easy

[@gringbot]

I find pretty much all the specs to be pretty easy, honestly. I've mained ele and enh a while as well, but I'll agree with the list because ele is still one of the harder casters by a fair amount.

[@abdullahyousef3481]

Elemental shaman gotta be one of the easiest casters i've played , but tbh. every caster i played was pretty easy.

[@KyujiQG]

You forgot to put the timestamp for arcane! 😁 Great video btw ❤

[@syprus3687]

I'd say outlaw dps can suffer if you gointo a Crack shot window with BTE on Cd thanks to occasional lag. Outlaw can be super fun but when you aren't getting ace up your sleeve procs it feels like a stick in the mud.

[@MarcelianOnline]

very true

[@Danishdrums]

I feel like no spec should really be above c-tier, design wise. Above that it feels too bloated and mathy to me.

[@kylechermak7092]

Ele main here. The spec is piss easy this season. Lava burst is 50% of your damage and 80% of your globals.

[@fos8789]

Every tank should be S tier because your pug party always expects you to know everything perfectly, just mindlessly following you throughout a perfect path in the dungeon you must know even if they have no idea of it.

[@aslkdmskfm]

Tanks are the simplest at average. Ur talking about tanks responsibility - that's different

[@lKeyZen]

Balance druid is for me the hardest spec.... because of the frustration when you are not doing high keys... GOD you are just a spectator when playing with bursty classes and feel like you are just bad

[@Dan-iy2nr]

i love wow but to play optimally like alot of people have already, the rotations of some classes are crazy, like its to complex as well as having high parses and all that shit. it ruins the game

[@armagedoc66]

Sin is B tier hardness if you have played it before. Getting used to the new rotation is pretty easiy and its not as reflexive as outlaw. Thus, you can play slower and give you much more thinking and planning time.

[@OMFGcataFAN1]

It depends on the kind of player. For me something like outlaw is s tier difficulty meanwhile assa is d tier. I find setups and thinking ahead easy but fast, reactive gameplay Harder.

[@ilyakusenco8151]

@@OMFGcataFAN1I 100% agree, retail Sin and Outlaw are very VERY easy to mess up and lose tons of damage. Muti best and worst player are probably like 15% damage in difference, it’s IMPOSSIBLE to mess up.

[@dotftw1]

Man.... How can affliction can be easier to play than frost mage, like really?

[@pizzazzsnudge7800]

Augmentation is one of those specs, easy to start out but hard to master

[@Iluvantir]

Just like chess!

[@popojaga7312]

Not really, its easy af rotational wise, sadly 90% of them still cant find utility buttons in their toolkit

[@chuggajr]

@@popojaga7312Bro the whole spec is utility. If they aren’t using it they aren’t playing it right.

[@arforafro5523]

I'm glad you put all 3 rogue specs together, from my experience playing rogue all three specs focus on different things and in 10.2 it seems to be pretty clear cut to me what each spec demands. Outlaw requires the highest APM and fastest reaction times but plays very loose with cooldown timers and is overall hard to mess up in a catastrophic manner, Subtlety requires simple setups for cooldowns but requires you to recognize and adapt quickly to multiple situations to maximize the cooldown reduction from Shadowdust to line up and speed up burst windows, Assassination has very strict setups for cooldowns and will suffer a lot if you mess those up but has very little variance otherwise.

[@Xsetsu]

I really do wonder if some of the harder classes are just too bloated at this point. I don't feel having a bunch of buttons to push really add that much to a class and that is what a few classes feel like these days.

[@boxicool]

I do love to have a lot of buttons to click, utilities etc. for me classes are to easy

[@varadigabor7812]

bro they literally added these buttons in this expansion as they were bumbed down already in wod. there are already dumb AF classes that you can play if you want to refrain from pressing “bunch of buttons” but we dont need another pruning. also with this mindset you are most probably casual anyways and for that content level you can press whatever as it doesnt matter

[@Xsetsu]

@@varadigabor7812 What classes exactly are you talking about? What "buttons"? The pruning was going into Legion not WoD many classes were quite complex in WoD. Did you actually read my post? I said that having more buttons to push just for the sake of it does nothing for the interaction. There is no decisions made or gameplay to it for that matter. Having "dial-a-combo" style rotations quite frankly seems dumb to me no matter how complex. Also trying to insult me doesn't really prove your point or any point really.

[@varadigabor7812]

@@Xsetsu what what buttons? this was literally your phrasing. they reintroduced abilities and multiple talents this expansion, thats what I mean by buttons. if you were playing in wod you would know that pruning has already begun there. MoP was the peak complexity. I love how you feel insulted by the word casual when you are clearly one. it is fine to prefer simpler rotations or feel like more complex specs are bloated but this is in fact your opinion. the game offers so many specs that you are free to choose one that fits your playstyle but expecting every single spec to be pruned to your skillcap is lame AF. now comes the insult: git gud or shut the fuck up

[@Xsetsu]

​@@varadigabor7812 Nobody is hurt as you are trying to imply but once again you attacking me and not the argument. It doesn't make your point, and if you continue to do it I am just going to ignore you after this as you don't know how to have a discussion. The big cut back on classes was in Legion. Sure, there were some before. In many cases, they cut fundamental abilities from the classes in Legion and people rightfully complained. Classes were completely reworked to a simplified version like BM and Demon Hunter was introduced. With many classes these days rotations evolve around a fairly strict order of button presses in some cases 8 or 10 different button presses. This alienates newer players (just like the machismo in your post) and makes most button presses not that impactful. Does it make the class hard? No, it just makes it convoluted and boring tbh. There is too much bloat without much pay off. You are not making any decisions or choices, which I think is a huge problem with the current rotations. Edit: I don't almost certain I am not alone in this either as Venruki and a few other content creators have pointed out the same thing already.

[@stuff12341]

In raid, WW for hardest melee, all because of FLS cancer. You actually only have less then 2/5 of the useful line to stand on because you are MELEE kissing bosses ass, and when you cast FLS, it goes through boss even if you stand max melee range making most of the spriklly dog shit unusable. Oh and you have to basically read your Tank mind to know where the boss will be moving. On top of all of this, there are so much area of denials, if get unlucky with FLS placement, say bye bye to reset. If you can't get reset for any reason, you lose like 12% dps for duration your FLS is in CD. Mind you WW monk are lowest preforming dps in raid atm.

[@Mikeshift1]

I play both Enh, and WW. Enh has not only a harder rotation with more buttons more keybinds, they have less mobility Then WW, Less survivability, and A higher DPS variance, meaning a small mistake in the rotation means we lose more dps.

[@RRckr910]

Nice list! Agree on most except some of the tanks. I usually do around 3.2k io on all tanks and blood/brew are leagues harder than the others imo

[@ericjohnson8473]

I love Outlaw but it feels so mashed together these days

[@MarcelianOnline]

you think? isn’t it better than shadowlands?

[@Shadowbanex93]

Feels like sub and outlaw mashed together

[@archaontheeverchosen7980]

Prot warrior is def the 2nd hardest tank.

[@psychelicious5003]

So with augmentation - it is VEERY easy to just do well on, because its main ability is inherently strong and the rotation consists of maybe 5 buttons. What makes it "hard to master" is just the fact that its an evoker and has a lot of extra utility buttons. Powerful dispel, some bonus healing, two racials to disrupt with, rescue, zephyr, sleep walk, oppressing roar, spatial paradox/time spiral, landslide and I probably forgot some more. So our primary job is easy. But hell will you notice if you have that extra blink just when you need it (or well you won't because players aren't used to it so they think they don't have it when they do).

[@georgecorg783]

Funny thing is, when I started playing Dragonflight, I started to main a healer and opted for the druid, because I had it at max level. Wanted to experience the content without digging the forums for what is the easiest, what is the most fun and so on. Low and behold, half way into first patch I am trying my ass off to heal M+ on druid having no clue that is considered one of the most difficult specs to play... and it is difficult. Feels like juggling 20 things at a time and gaming on it became a skill. You have to be good or get out. And I am afraid this is my main problem with current WoW. It is way to complicated for a game. Instead of having a good time and relaxing in your spare time, you have to get "to work". Blizzard should rethink the entire idea of WoW, imo. It is too complicated aimed for the hardcore players with little regard to the casual players. My problem with current WoW? TOO MANY BUTTONS!

[@sixpaths7271]

ksm on resto drood today

[@jetillian]

I'd definitely say mid or upper B for WW, and Aug is upper C. The pronunciation of Prescience is: "pr-esh-ense."

[@alexserdeliuc8782]

The frost dk is so dicked-up, that using rime in any situation is a dps loss...Spam 2 buttons in aoe and single target builds...A true 2 button spam spec... Went from being fun to being boring AF. With any luck they won't fix anything and keep buffing obliterate to the point we will only use that button....

[@Frostingale]

fuck obliterate being the only button, we need a reworked bottom half of the tree to delete all of the gating point wasters and some actually new talents that heavily promote spending a shit ton of runic power via 1 or 2 new high damage runic power based capstones, then i think breath needs a soft cap via ramping runic power cost to limit it's duration and damage potential. this way you can throw breath and obliteration into a choice node in the middle of the tree and get some actually interesting and new options to take. i think absolute zero needs to be merged into frostwyrms fury and its place taken by parts of our 4set from last tier.

[@Garbage315]

Rogue guy here and I have to severely disagree with Assassination being harder than Outlaw. I've picked up the new Assassination almost seamlessly since 10.2 dropped and have been blasting hard since. Outlaw makes me want to throw a rock through my screen with all of the annoying crap you have to look out for, and that crackshot window is extremely finnicky, screw that up and your DPS tanks. You need like 10000 different weakauras if you want to play outlaw optimally.

[@zacjones6711]

Bad blood dk player. Only explanation for the rank. Blood has to know every pull, unless you are way over gearing content and simply smashing death strike like most. Understanding damage intake for ds and cd usage when, why, where makes the spec difficult. Unlike the other tanks, it is not a simple rotation with cd's.

[@JesusGonzalez-il6no]

I agree with you in most cases but when valorating ww monk you changed completely your criteria arguing it did not change over the expansions...that does not make sense at all

[@arc7818]

I feel like there needs to be a distinction between 'most difficult' and 'most punishing.' For example, frost dk has an easy playstyle, but other factors can screw you over. If you pop breath of sindragosa, you'd better pray to God the tank (which is undoubtedly more mobile than you) doesn't move the adds or else you're doing damage worthy of a healer. Oh, look at that, some idiot knocked the adds back, so not only is your damage in the hole, the enemies got knocked out of your death and decay as well. Guess I'll run (more like saunter) over to where the adds are piled up...oh, by the time I got there, the other classes with actual legit movement abilities killed everything. I'm hoping for a dk rework soon.

[@ristuksenvittu]

when i started playing arcane, single target rotation was basically 4x blast -> missiles -> repeat now it's... unexplainable and top of that you have to take care of afflicted or incorporeal in m+ and then there is other stuff you have to do or everyone will start shitting on you aaand doing all of that messes up your dps and then you get shit on anyways. so... you are going to be shit on no matter what if you're arcane. so if you think of playing mage, just don't do it, play warlock instead and no-one expects anything but dps from you.

[@nitogame]

Uh oh, you put DH in the middle. You gonna get a lot of hate from DH haters who insist it's a 2 button class.

[@m_rod9562]

The inertia / vengeful retreat build is easily the hardest spec to play because it’s the only class that rotationally requires you to cover ground space to properly execute your rotation. Having to do that while also doing mechanics and dodging soaks, spreads, swirls, and frontals gives it the crown.

[@MarcelianOnline]

Bring it, make sure you watch the video and comment!

[@Musiclover4822]

​@@m_rod9562Too bad 70 % of the DH players, cannot even interupt or do mechanics haha.

[@p33pKyle]

@@MarcelianOnlineyou said momentum is what havoc is playing. Inertia is the go to. Thought you’d like to know.

[@sethandbeans1876]

DH main since it dropped. The zoomies are just so fun. I think it's placed well. Could be a smidge higher due to the current raid tier being quite punishing if you don't have situational awareness when casting VR or dashing, and there are a few bosses which punish mobility hard... But it also doesn't have to worry about jugging a dozen raid cool downs, so you can kinda focus on that added difficulty. B is a good spot. Also, inertia is the build now in 10.2 which is very much working around burst window timing which adds some difficulty.

[@gustavt8880]

Seriously these people that always talking about how difficult Arcane is probably never try it out except on training dummy.... It is not that difficult when you understand big burn and small burn and learn how to manage mana. It is like 3-4 buttons lol

[@tristentamatea4325]

I love rogue so much but they are just getting progressively more difficult to play, as an aging gamer I've unfortunately had to let the class go completely.

[@Shades093]

i dont like videos like this. cause everyone has a different view on which class is difficult and which not. affli for me is the hardest while arcane is mediocre to easy to play

[@Silulaya]

Ww monk: manage 10 button rotation, change ability priority with every enemy added into the pull, deals with positional damage its entire rotation (standing in faeline and angling it for boss movement), deals with insane amounts of cdr and changing rotation constantly based on procs and if in cds or not, manage 4 different bufs that also change rotational priority: C tier Ele shaman: maintain flame shock, press lava burst if available, use elemental blast with buff if possible, use ice fury when lava burst cannot be casted: A tier I see you've also put brewmaster in A tier, and prot war and blood dk in C tier, so I'm just going to assume every other placement is based off of 0 actual information or experience lmao

[@MrErick1160]

Bro i have WWM and demo warlock and i can tell you demo warlock is 100x resort than WWmonk so i don't know about this ranking

[@efyuar]

how's havoc not F tier lol, i play unholy main havoc assasination spriest bm and balance and gotta tell ya, havoc is same lvl difficulty as bm

[@blackalphadragon96]

You forgot a timestamp for arcane mage. Its been merged with affliction

[@Mortal14]

arcane the hardest? for real if you know your ramp u are literally pressing one single button for a long time after it...

[@SLSAMG]

Let's get a revamped version for TWW please. And no, Arcane isn't that difficult.

[@GUkraine]

Ret belongs in D tier, what a faceroll, absolutely zero skill class that also has a bajillion defensives.

[@charlesdobronxcharlesdobro4660]

Flame are you playing season of discovery?

[@semiramisubw4864]

curse forge would be nice if it wasnt with overwolf, trash needs longer to start than anything else.

[@Awesomebulba]

As an altoholic that plays all classes and around 25 specs, i disagree with 80% of this list lol

[@XraduGaming]

This is horrible windwalker in the same category as marksman hunter? U got to be joking😂

[@morbidgull8922]

As a melee main I would put them all around c-a tier some can be harder but all are easy to pick up, the only ones I would put higher up would be cat or rogue.

[@JoshuaSmith-hy8xo]

Rdruid belongs in S, I play both Disc and Rdruid they are not the same.

[@Jdtv689]

Ok bear harder than blood dk? U on crack?:) you have proper opener as DK while as bear u just charge and thrash:) DK is way more punishing missing one global means death and visiting daddy lich king 😉 in low keys u can play bear using like 3 buttons and will be okey😉

[@MarcelianOnline]

It's all subjective my dude, I said why I think bear is harder, for me, and I don't feel what you said counters what I said still, so my opinion is unchanged :D

[@hoodpope1851]

BDK for babies goo goo ga ga

[@Jdtv689]

@@MarcelianOnline not really trying to change your mind about bear, don’t care much but if you macro ironfur into thrash you’ll be okey prolly till like +12 keys😉 dk can feel immortal when you’re in your rotation but it’s also extremely punishing and along vengeance is tank which can’t be carried in any way by a good group. What I mean is if you’re noobish but have good group on some tanks you can get carried, no way on dk though

[@Malphas_666]

frost dk easy ? ok maybe ez to play but to perform it should be in b class !

[@Haideraide]

As a assassination main, I think outlaw is more difficult to keep up on DPS.ainly because the rng of roll the bones

[@2gyllstad]

Not to mention the BtE proc chance, Outlaw is just a pure RNG spec atm I feel. So sad :(

[@notted3]

Most of KR Realm player agree this: No hard class in WOW. 😢

[@dficwriter]

lmfao DH b tier because of momentum when no one plays momentum and inertia is better dps wise. The spec requires you to move around like crazy and that alone makes it hard af in certain conditions. No movement = no damage

[@StrobeFireStudios]

Fire Mages haven't hard casted Pyroblast for like 15 years.

[@kuzziii6445]

Imagne Havoc in B xD just use Cds, thats your rotation…

[@KevsShwaShwa]

I think all mage specs are S tier difficulty. Arcane is kind of the easiest in a way. It’s the same all the time and never deviates. Once you learn it, that’s it. It’s just a lot to learn. Sub single target is S tier. Havoc demon hunter is A tier easily and enhancement is not harder than havoc. The movement of havoc is incredibly difficult. How is Ele up there?? It’s 1 button! Awful list

[@Mikeshift1]

LMAO, Havoc is harder then Enh?? have you ever played the spec? do you have any clue the amount of keybinds they have? there core rotation in 13 key binds, not including totems, or CDs. and I main Havoc...

[@slayrx]

Arms ain't that easy my guy

[@MarcelianOnline]

but i think it is

[@MrFilth]

Bro you really like the word "particularly" xD

[@toemasmeems]

You act like easy specs are a shameful thing...?

[@hugob8193]

Agree with the tier list overall, I would still put prot warrior a bit higher (like low B) since its the highest apm class in the game, I would move up ww to B, move down frost mage and dev evoker to C. Finally, I would still put havoc dh low A tier just for the spatial awareness required compared to any other class with momentum/Inertia gameplay!

[@fandabidozi3191]

The ability to spec does not make you intelligent.

[@UpperMoon95]

Glad we dont rank boomkin in Season 1 of Df :D

[@MarcelianOnline]

That was a pain, can't say it was hard, it was annoying AF tho to put stellar flare ON EVERYTHING?!?!?!

[@rickwithsomerolled]

It’s wild how many specs are hard-ish now. I know people crave intricacy as good gameplay but I think there needs to be better balance of easy classes and difficult classes.

[@florianchoquet8679]

I 100% agree with you. I'm struggling to find a spec that I like and that is not too difficult.

[@LiluMikante]

This guy has now idea how to play those specs xD Ranking all rogue and shaman dps specs in A tier while shadow is in B tier in a Raid full of movement is beyond stupid

[@defiance6783]

Pretty sure you don't play either enhanc or rogue either (not sure about elem I don't really play that spec). Shadow rota is actually pretty simple since they (sadly) gutted half their filler spell at the end of S1 Saying they should go up because of harder raid movement this tier (which is not really the case though?) Is like saying all caster should go up too xd

[@MsPuscky]

​@@LiluMikantewhat does movement has to do with a spec being hard? It does indeed fuck you up, but overall, all rogue specs are a lot more harder than spriest.

[@joethestrat]

This is far better than the opposite imo.

[@ryujinjakka7863]

WW is really hard to play to manny buttons i think

[@Yarn01]

Ret also has all of its rotational abilities on a cooldown, for what it's worth.

[@robusmc1713]

I love how you put the little characters on the bottom left, epic video as always ❤

[@Veelaru]

For a person who hasn’t mained arcane since wotlk, seeing them as the hardest spec to play on current retail is mind blowing (back then it was just spamming arcane blast if you have enough mana or spending 4 stacks on arcane missiles if mana was lower + barrage if you have to move - voila - you do 20k+ dps in ICC)

[@Saryuin]

Every class was easy in wotlk

[@Veelaru]

@@Saryuin not feral or marksmanship/survival. Afflicttion was a bit advanced if compared to other classes, too.

[@Saryuin]

@@Veelaru tf you mean? wotlk classes are easy af , especially mm hunts..aimed shot..is instant..just sting and chimera with a bit of steady...almost all their spells are instant cast too

[@ilyakusenco8151]

⁠@@Saryuin wotlk andies are seething when you say that lava burst oneshot in pvp IS NOT skill, what did you expect lmao

[@hellothere8812]

Arcane is definitely the hardest to play

[@martinrudek2576]

every skip i make: Comercials..hate youtube

[@MarcelianOnline]

You ever skip rope?

[@bigdonnycal]

Nah demo lock 100% belongs way higher, ya can't just rank a spec by explaining it in the most simple terms possible without considering the constraints on the spec. Ya didn't even consider fel sunder, the multiple variations on implosion windows, how to layer up buffs and debuffs to actually get damage out, using demonic core as both a main damage source and a summoner and a builder, spreading doom brand around and the heavily reactive playstyle. If arcane is S-tier in difficulty whilst following a script that barely changes (based on clearcasting) then there are a lot of other specs that should be moving much higher up the list.

[@WideEyesGaming]

I'm new to wow this patch and got a 70 boost for a warrior, I'm having a really hard time doing good damage on fury and arms and feel like I'm getting carpal tunnel with all the buttons I have to press constantly. So surprised and sad that its one of the easiest classes and I'm struggling. WoW is much harder than I was expecting.

[@achrafmaaden6263]

Just practice on the target dummy homie , and learn the priority order of your spells, it will help a Lot. Read a guide(s) for a deeper understanding of your talents which will only make it simpler for you and therefore... Easier. Apply this to every spec. Oh oh ! Make sure your keybinds are Very comfortable. I recommend getting the luxthos weakaura import to stop looking down in ur spell bar and instead in the fight , please get the luxthos weakaura import.

[@msscott22]

I feel like the devs are doing a disservice to new players making the specs this hard. We call the warriors easy to play, but in reality, they're pretty complex for anyone just now getting into Wow. I've been playing Wow for 15 years now so it's easy to take for granted, but I def acknowledge the learning curve involved here. The good news is that you will get better with practice. Practice, practice, practice. I play assassination rogue and I sat at a training dummy for hours just going over my opener/rotation over and over and over. Eventually it just clicks. We need more players in Wow so I encourage you to keep at it. This is the best game ever made imo.

[@Azrael-XIII]

@@msscott22 That’s the problem though, someone new to the game isn’t going to want to sit staring at a training dummy for hours just to able to eventually be able to actually play the game. The difficulty of the game should come from the enemies and mechanics of any given encounter not the class you decide to play. There’s a reason BM Hunter is both the easiest class *and* the most popular, people like being able to focus on the the actual gameplay and mechanics as opposed to having to remember 12 button openers and track 8 different cooldowns and staring at their bar for 5 different procs.

[@msscott22]

@@Azrael-XIII You're not wrong at all. People just want to play a game and relax. Wow might be a tad too hard now for its own good. I love the complexity, but I also see the detriment that comes with it.

[@thresh5324]

I recently leveled a warlock after mostly just using boosts from new expansions and it was a lot easier to learn how to play than my boosted characters. You get introduced to new abilities one at a time so that you don't feel overwhelmed trying to remember what each one does/when to use them. If guides and training dummies aren't helping much, I'd recommend leveling a new character for a little bit to get used to things!

[@bigmike2464]

I have every class but Mage; not interested lol. I pick my specs according to my mood. I do some research, but Iplay to have fun and relax, so yeah I raidbut I do NOT take the game THAT seriously. I have never ragedestroyed anything lol. I play a Ret Pally, all 3 Rogue specs, Feral and Boomkin Druid, BM ans SV Hunters, Ele SHammy, SHadow Priest, WW Monk, Fury Warrior, Frost DK, Demonology Lock

[@Shigazane]

Fury is 100% d tier. Main it. Its a arguably a two button spec with how often you actually weave in globals/slam/whirlwind. 98% of the time you are just pressing rampage and bloodthirst for the empowered bloodbath. It is literally in the same vein as bm hunter. Personally i dont think blizzard wants warriors in general making any rotational decisions. Both dps specs are straight forward on what you press, and you rarely if ever deviate

[@andrijajovanovic1589]

Brother, prot pala is a keyboard mash spec like fury warrior, prot warrior can't keyboard mash. Wtf is this ranking honestly? Outlaw is hard, there's tons of self buffs you have to keep up and you absolutely cannot keyboard mash.

[@Quiet_9]

Ret, the warriors and survival are all much easier than anything else in the game, would personally put them bottom tier. Frost dk might be mechanically easy but the cost of misplay is very, very high, which is also true for BM, they should probably be up a tier. A bm that isnt playing barbed shot perfectly is going to do terrible. It's basically impossible to misplay ret.

[@alexis1156]

Outlaw is low s tier in terms of difficulty. Mostly due to badly made mechanics, like crackshot not resetting the cd of bte when you enter stealth, and low proc rate on count the odds which make kir harder to play than it should.

[@grantbibby4993]

Saying frost dk oblit build is less punishing than breath build shows you don’t play the spec much. Bad pillar windows as oblit are for more punishing than breath. Further to this breath is not hard at all the only difficulty is being lucky with rng. If you are talking in regards to the amount of buttons then ye much simpler than a brew for example but nothing is easy to be good at, for difficult specs I’d suggest looking at the range of dps spread on logs this shows skill different and would be a more objective list.

[@jeanpierre3061]

As someone who mained DPS and Mained Monk Since MOP, I found the brewmaster spec piss easy to play and tank with. I never tanked end game raids really previosuly because it felt so daunting and I feel like I couldn't control fights, but with BM, I cleaned Dungs, Heroics and raid content from level 15-90. It was a blast. I love all the buttons XD. Classes with 4-5 buttons are boring AF.

[@FcBruges4Life]

the problem with blizzard is that they (and some wannabe elitsts )think that more difficult speccs equals more fun speccs. They couldn't be further from the truth. A fun specc is a specc that feels smooth to play and doesn't require you to be a rocket scientist or a sick amount of weakauras to actually be able to play it.

[@alexanderh2715]

Absolutely agree with prot warrior. I used to play it in Bfa and it was a lot harder before the essences but even then you needed to kite at points because it wasn't as easy to have shield block. I remember playing the last stand talents and roughly managing 3-4 blocks before you needed shield wall, kiting etc. Now it's very hard to run out of shieldblock, shield wall regenerates very fast and you have more cool buttons. It's very fun

[@spudtsar9377]

What’s your rotation for Prot Warrior? I’m trying to level one up for fun and I’ve never really played it so I’m having a hard time getting a feel for it

[@MadsLarsen1000]

No chance resto druid and preservation evoker is in the same tier as holy paladin? Holy paladin is so much harder to play than both of these. Yes, the rotation isn't particularly hard on hpal, but it's all about game knowledge and knowing when to use cds with this spec. Both preservation and restoration druid are way more simple and should be at least 2 tiers lower.

[@aaronburnett1131]

Lolol El shammies are extremely easy to play.