march 19 late cheating tuesday

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[@zibert5529]

Timecodes: IM RichardLeyvaP (2551) - GM VladimirKramnik (3000) - ECO "B86" 00:01:48 GM VladimirKramnik (3001) - NM stolencandy13 (2551) - ECO "B19" 00:12:34 IM DeTimmerman (2751) - GM VladimirKramnik (3004) - ECO "A00" 00:22:49 GM VladimirKramnik (3008) - FM bascheyaro (2787) - ECO "C01" 00:33:21 GM moro182 (2919) - GM VladimirKramnik (2998) - ECO "A45" 00:49:45 GM VladimirKramnik (3001) - IM DamianoLew95 (2735) - ECO "C01" 00:59:59 IM ameetghasi100 (2804) - GM VladimirKramnik (2989) - ECO "A05" 01:10:43

[@floolo1]

not all heros wear capes

[@WiesoNurMistnamen]

After watching this, I think my girlfriend is cheating on me

[@bahmankargosha4946]

Stop watching this then and treat your girlfriend better…

[@youdontknowme2508]

Lmao. Thanks for making me laugh

[@thomasli6918]

Wow, thats crazy. Must be cheating with the "Hikaroo" guy again. Very annoying, do the procedure.

[@dipshah1984]

Thanks Mr Kramnik, I know you are frustrated and annoyed but please know these videos are very interesting and great to watch and thank you for that 👍

[@derkuhschubser6488]

100% agree

[@salmansolieman3270]

Very interesting💀

[@yordanyanev1943]

Settings --->Live Chess --->Enable Premoves. Then make your moves even on the opponents turn, single piece recapture, for instance, - take your own piece with recapturing piece, it's completely safe - if your opponent makes another move it just wont trigger it, as it will be impossible move in such case.

[@VBKramnik]

Repeating again, dont want to premove by principle

[@k.m.7351]

you should re-evaluate your principle, and open your mind to new possibilities.@@VBKramnik

[@Cant_find_good_Handle]

I can at least understand where your coming from when it comes to using pre moves for end of game time scrambles. I completely disagree, but I can at least understand a former world champion who trained as a youth under top grandmasters not wanting to play random moves to try to win on time out of respect for the game. Again, I disagree as this is just how the culture of online chess has developed over the last 20 years. But at least I understand where your coming from. But for safe pre moves, like a recaptures you know your going to have to make, there does not seem to be any logical or principled reason as to why you would not use the pre move function. It’s basically like your just giving away 50 to 100 rating points and a win or two every title Tuesday for no reason.

[@martinpaddle]

​@@VBKramnik if you refuse to play your opponents on equal terms, then at least have the decency of not accusing them of cheating if they beat you in time scramble (the type of situations when engines are the least helpful)

[@k.m.7351]

@@Cant_find_good_Handle it is also a way to overcome any internet lag disadvantage. Remember in one game he thought the time was moving faster that may have been due to slight lag. He could have cancelled out the lag with a few pre captures.

[@user-iu6oo4tb6z]

Вроде сначала скептически относился к заявлениям Владимира Борисовича. А потом смотришь как ноунэйм убирает подряд Грищука и ВБ, у международного мастера на последнем издыхании на секундах врубается подсос и большинство ходов идут по первой линии, то кажется что вообще перестаешь понимать что происходит в этой игре. Спасибо большое, что тратите свое время и нервы борясь с этой напастью)

[@bahmankargosha4946]

Even though Vladimir Kramnik doesn’t always win , his mouse technique is terrible and he is suspicious of some titled players who might be actually good , he is still my hero these days.

[@keepwalking6041]

problem is 2500 cant remotely hope to win against 3000+ players.. its crazy..

[@abcrtz]

Really calming and educating watching you play, thanks

[@amirovsky2012]

MR Kramnik is not like Caruana calculate many moves forward but his intuition is like Magnus. He feel the good moves without many calculations

[@walmikh787]

При всем уважении, без навыков владения мышью делать в ТТ нечего... Больно смотреть когда игра кончается просто потому что Человек Обыгравший Каспарова просто не успевает сделать ход. ВБ, ну попробуйте хоть сыграть сотни три 1+0 чисто ради навыка. Еще же Ботвинник играл специально тренировочные партии чтобы следить за временем. Понятно, что тогда был другой контроль, так и сейчас другие времена...

[@cooloutac]

He is rated 3,000 playing only title Tuesday while the best players are 3200 and they have to farm people to get that rating what are you even talking about. You have been brainwashed by the propaganda of the website and are believing myths and Fantasies. Yes sure to compete at the highest level on equal terms he would need to free move and drag Mouse but it's a negligible percentage of games that it would be affecting the outcome of my friend in a Blitz with increment.

[@walmikh787]

Так я про это же и говорю. При высочайшем шахматном уровне даже "незначительный" процент игр сильно режет глаза. Мне интересно наблюдать за партиями Владимира Борисовича( кстати я нашел несколько ответов как играть в некоторых интересовавших меня позициях), и отчасти я даже рад, что создавшаяся ситуация дает мне эту возможность. Про пропаганду сайта я вообще не понял, причем она здесь?@@cooloutac

[@turtle207]

В 3+1 это не так важно, важна позиция, если плохая позиция трудно сделать ход с любыми навыками владением мышью...

[@darekisrael469]

Sir, respectfully, why don't you premove? It would save you a little time when it is safe to do so and I was just wondering why you didn't use this feature while I was watching you play.

[@MaxSujyGermany]

The 2 game he lost were only because he didn't enable premove. He doesn't understand that below 10s he won't win vs most FM and IM without enabling premove. He doesn't get it.

[@AbaCaba-jh7ty]

VK suppose that using premoves is a violation of the rules, because you cannot pick up a piece OTB before your opponent has made a move.

[@user-ii6xg1sj2k]

​@@AbaCaba-jh7ty...of course, not only Vladimir Borisovich...a basic chess rule is: don't touch pieces before opponent made his move...

[@MaxSujyGermany]

@@AbaCaba-jh7ty This is online, not OTB. It's just an excuse since he would have to learn how to premove effectively and he's unwilling to do so.

[@darekisrael469]

So it's a matter of integrity and basically saying premoves shouldn't be a feature online because they don't exist otb... I understand now but that still won't keep me from using the feature . I think the online platforms should reconsider including premoves but at the same time then they would have to include illegal moves and allow for imposition of enforcement of that as in otb chess. An interesting thing to think about. And I seriously doubt he's unable to use the feature I think he's more likely stubborn as an old goat and I respect that.

[@MaYa-mu8lz]

Владимир Борисович, вы - Чемпион Мира, как говорил Капа - носитель чуда. Абсолютное невежество к вам проявляет эта платформа: зачем продолжать на ней играть? Просто находясь, играя на чесскоме, вы оказываете им большую услугу. Разве они её достойны? К примеру, есть отличная, кстати, open-source платформа Lichess - может, там всё ок будет? Другое дело, что может там Аронян не играет - ну так это дело времени)).

[@VBKramnik]

Наоборот, пока там играю, могу показывать людям, что там творится :) По ходу работаю над настоящим античитинговым методом

[@rajnandan8820]

Grischuk encountered strong FM or IM. Lol I am laughing at this 😂😂

[@micheledeantoni]

lol

[@artichoke60045]

Not to be picky but in the first game K+N vs. K+N should not be draw by insufficient material. W: Kh1, Ng1 B: Kg3, Nf2 white to move is checkmated and it's possible to reach that position.

[@cooloutac]

The website does not follow fide rules of insufficient draw material. They probably follow USCF rules or something else unfortunately. I feel the fide rule is more sporting than the USCF.

[@gavinjones8543]

I love the way he stops and reconsiders before making seeming obvious moves. Truly seeing a good move, then finding a better one. Such a craftsman of the game, even if he is a bit of a dick.

[@floolo1]

i don't want to be joining the cheating discussions since i'm not so familiar with chess. however from time to time if i have a bad day during laboratory for my phd thesis i watch you play in those streams. thanks for playing. cheers from munich

[@siddhantx]

Imagine getting to play one of the best players ever and cheat

[@cooloutac]

for most people cheating is a pathological disease. There is no point to it except for the simple fact they can. Also the website has socially engineered everythone to think Kramnik is a crazy sore loser that should not be respected. Unlike Magnus and HIkaru who the website will ban people for. This is a problem with the website giving preferential treatment and why other pros have complained about this. It is unfair to play in a tournament that literally encourages and welcomes cheating against certain players, while discouraging it against others.

[@antisha82]

Enjoying your games from Croatia, it would ne nice Kasparov to stream also

[@cooloutac]

I think he only plays 960 chess online nowadays he doesn't play regular chess that much.

[@HussainYasseen]

you need to enable Premove & play with drag and drop instead of clicks

[@victor_rybin]

13:30 how does Kramnik know that it was the best engine line? does Kramnik have the engine open during the game?😅

[@puviarasup]

Thinking of the same

[@VBKramnik]

Theoretical position still but rare theory

[@alexanderrubinstein9751]

Kramnik is pretty sure when he sends cheating report :)

[@punkfanalex1079]

very interesting...

[@thomasli6918]

Mr. Krramnik, I joined a game of 3 minute blitz, and lost from time. It didn't feel like I got my full 25 minutes, is the opponent speeding up my clock? Please investigate. Again, I will not be playing slower time controls or moving faster because of principle.

[@andresitost]

Hello mr kramnik i share your point of view in some aspects. i do think there are a lot of cheaters out there and i sometimes get mad after losing because the situation is just ridiculous and out of control. Im constantly reporting and blocking players. But you are a figure of respect in the world of chess i know you want to fight cheating but don't let your emotions get the best of you. There are too many trolls who know you get mad and for that reason they are going to cheat versus you. Dont give those fools more attention. I think your channel has more potential if you just focus on playing for fun and start creating more educational content for the future generations. That being said sometimes we need to adapt to new realities. You achieved everything in chess this is not worth the trouble. Cheaters are gonna cheat and that doesn't change who you are and what you have done in and for chess. I also want to add that because of a few everybody pays and we have to accept that sometimes a person can play a very good game of chess because they can get motivated to play a former world champion, because they are familiar with the type of game, openings, etc. My time to go i wish you a great day champ.

[@alexeiz]

3 or 4 cheaters? This is incredible!

[@RuTream]

Some might say: Crazy... :D

[@maddoom3463]

На нашу любимую игру напала хворь, шахматы в опасности!Спасибо вам за борьбу с ней.

[@sashakir3090]

This time it was Tilted Tuesday)

[@zwartebananen962]

CountVonCount brought me here..

[@koda8565]

Cheating tuesday hahahahaha!

[@user-ii6xg1sj2k]

...and, late chess...покойные (бедные) шахматы...(а какая замечательная игра была, когда начинали заниматься, 45 лет назад...)

[@yordanyanev1943]

@@user-ii6xg1sj2kСейчас замечательнее - комп.замечает все.

[@Jhinchley12]

There is no lag, you should be sliding the pieces not moving with clicks. You are wasting a lot of time

[@cooloutac]

there is always lag, it is only a question of how much. I think if he got a brand new mouse he would not have to worry about making misclicks.

[@cooloutac]

@@ixinor There is always lag in computer games. Even if you don't notice it is there like air. Its only a question of how much. Many games give the option to show the amount on screen. You only notice is less in chess because you are not constantly moving pieces but it is there. It will not affect your mouse accuracy. but it might affect your chess accuracy. lol

[@artichoke60045]

What is depressing for chess is that it isn't the same game anymore, since computers became much better than humans. Not the same in so many ways, now it's trying to be like a computer. Not a thrilling prospect. Let the computers do it! And they do it beautifully, Leela and Alpha Zero especially play such beautiful chess.

[@cooloutac]

I'm starting to think thats a myth. And humans are just becoming cyborgs. Meaning they are literally becoming bots. The kids nowadays have changed the term "bot" to mean "noob". Someone who plays as dumb as a bot. But in my day, the days of quake 1 the first e-sport. It meant someone who uses bots to cheat and might as well be one. It always meant someone that did not play human. I believe the definition was changeds to be less derogatory to make cheating more acceptable. Just one examples of many i've seen gaming all my life past 30 years. Always saw the potential of it to be a billion dollar industry. But society is just not evolved enough to apply the same principles we use in real life to the digital world. They would rather lie to themselves and pretend its a totally different existence when its just an extension of the same thing. Especially in chess that is played exactly the same in both realms. This community isn't convincing society otherwise.

[@Bertucho1]

Tú has sido campeón del mundo, los tramposos solo quieren parecerse a ti y por eso usan los módulos de análisis. Ellos son como los que usan un videojuego para pisar la luna pero nunca serán como Neil Armstrong.

[@achajusmagnus6495]

time to retire in stead of reporting everyone?

[@cooloutac]

he is retired thats why doesn't care and is speaking out and saying what most chess pros who want online gaming to be taken seriously already feel.

[@achajusmagnus6495]

i guess you do not get taken serious if you report EVERYONE... @@cooloutac

[@nawfalafrani6305]

Hey Kramnik! Your dedication to your principles, both as a person and a chess player, is worthy of admiration. Despite being your fan for more than a decade, sometimes I feel like I understand you more than anybody else, so I have to share my thoughts with you because I genuinely care about you. At times, it's crucial to take a step back and reassess the situation. It's important not to draw attention to yourself in a way that reflects poorly on you, even if you are UNDENIABLY RIGHT. People have tried to gaslight you since you started this investigation, and it has one clear meaning: you've started to strike a chord. I deeply respect your awareness and your commitment to your values. However, I'm pleading with you to consider "adaptation." Sometimes you don't have to be like the salmon that stubbornly swims upstream; you don't need to be that smart or sane person that stands for justice. You just need to adapt, to go along with the herd, to flow with societal norms while still staying true to your own moral compass and principles. Be water, my friend!

[@JoCRuff]

This is the worst advice, advice to a human to uncritically adapt to an inhumanly organized world.

[@nawfalafrani6305]

Adapting doesn't mean accepting everything blindly. It's about finding a balance between embracing change while maintaining your core values and principles. Most of the time, you cannot change things, so you have to adapt. Don't be a delusional hummingbird, my friend... A hummingbird may believe it can extinguish the fire; it does what it can, tirelessly carrying droplets of water, hoping for change. I respect the tenacity of hummingbirds; at least they try. But the reality is, they won't change shit, and everyone is aware of that, including themselves. So why not adapt instead? @@JoCRuff

[@cooloutac]

so you want him just to give up on the future of chess which has been his lifes passion? Do you work for the website? Part of the streaming and social community of mostly children? I think he will be proved right about everything he said about online chess in later years, Just like everything Fischer said about chess was proved right in the past year lol.

[@sumeetghasi355]

I'm going to "kram" all this good advice, Bruce Lee!! lol...ps for the last game all his excuses(simple finish with time increment) doesn't hold water, my friend!

[@cooloutac]

@@nawfalafrani6305 sounsa like you mean settle and give up. adapt to what exactly, certain corruptions of a game and sport?

[@romansteniushkin8765]

На самом деле большое спасибо вам за эти стриминги. Для меня важно, даже не то что некоторые люди странно играют, а то что обычные гроссмейстеры (типа Жигалко) играют в блиц не так уж чтобы супер, ну далеко до их игры в обычные шахматы. Но видно, что в их игре присутствует логика. А эти товарищи - ну они так же любят нападать странными образами (почему-то называют это тактикой, на самом деле это "укусы") и так же продолжают играть при помощи прог. Почему-то я не вижу позиционных читеров. Или нет в них блицоров типа Чепукайтиса, которые меняли слонов на коней сразу, ничего умного в равных позициях у них не видно. Только скрытая "тактика", мгновенно. Сплошные тактики.

[@rodrigoflores3840]

Stop streaming... You are going crazy!😂😂

[@cooloutac]

To me it looks like he is having tons of fun and probably wishes online chess was more popular in the 80s and 90s hahah. Just the fact we can play games online and look at so many interesting stats is fascinating for us all. Kramnik is loving this. I think he is making guys like you crazy, because even though it is human nature to cheat, it is not human nature to publicly support and defend it and anyone shining light on that makes you uncomfortable. You have to be completely insane and naive to think half the people don't cheat online. lol

[@bahmankargosha4946]

@@cooloutac it was great that there was no online chess back in 80’s and 90’s because you actually gained some culture besides chess knowledge from the “books”…

[@cooloutac]

@@bahmankargosha4946 Well listen bud. I wouldn't even be playing chess if it wasn't for the internet lmao... As much as a problem cheating is, at least half the people don't cheat and I still can get competitive matches even at a super noob level , which was never possible in real life. I grew up all my life seeing the Chess Tables at the parks in Queens, NYC, but never saw a single person play chess on them. I just learned how to play more than just how the pieces move for the first time a couple years ago and I'm in my 40s lmao. But I have been online gaming for 30 years and I can tell you that you have to be naive to take it seriously. Because half the people cheat at a minimum in some form or another. And even though cheating goes on in real life sports. It just doesn't compare or they'd be just as dead. I think 1 wall handball which is played in NYC and California and some parts of Europe mainly. Dead for the same reasons, too much exlusive politics corruption and rampant toxic cheating.

[@cooloutac]

Well i can tell you in the 90s noone was playing chess in my neighborhood in queens NYC on the chess tables that were part of the parks. Never saw anyone play on one in all my life and I'm in my 40s. Not sure about the 80s. I think they were built in the either the late 60s or early 70s. Maybe during Fischer era I'd have to ask my parents lol. The only reason I'm playing chess is because of the internet my friend. Are you crazy? You are able to see so many stats of your own game this would of been a fantasy of guys in the 80s and we are living it. culture? Online you talk to people all over the world and watch their streams. lighten up lol. It turns the whole world into nyc I'm from the heartland of "culture".

[@artichoke60045]

I think the last guy should be reported too. Too many best moves instantly, I don't think it's real. Most of the rest seemed possible, not that one.

[@buckyhorsy8032]

On line chess is dead

[@cooloutac]

online gaming in general has been dead for almost 30 years now. But this is the first game that is exactly the same both worlds. Both digital and in the physical. So it is my hope it is the first game to change e-sport history paving the way for a profitable future. Maybe this will be the first time we apply the same basic sporting principles we apply in the real world to the online world. But the fact there is so many kids online programmed by these corrupt gaming sites that exploit the dishonesty and anonymity for profit. I'm losing hope.

[@user-st5uf5rt6x]

​​Против читинга!Задать бы вопрос программистам .А можно создать прогу ,которая могла бы индентифицировать шахматистов по прошлым партиям ?Ведь каждая партия - это как ДНК ,а 100 партий -это отпечаток пальца ! На этой программе можно было бы неплохо заработать ,если ее настроить на поиск повторяющихся ошибок шахматиста и использовать как тренерскую .Это позволило бы выявлять основные изъяны в игре шахматиста и соответственно их исправлять!

[@VBKramnik]

Конечно, похожим занимаюсь сейчас

[@user-st5uf5rt6x]

@@VBKramnik Отлично ! Если позиционировать эту программу ,как бизнес-идею ,а не только как для борьбы с читингом ,то возможно прогресс будет быстрей !Стремление к заработку -самый лучший двигатель прогресса !))