March 7 - The Pope threatens Henry VIII

🔒 Henry VIII vs. The Pope 🔒
Unearth the clandestine clash between King Henry VIII and the formidable Pope Clement VII in this riveting historical odyssey, as I delve into the secrets, threats, and excommunications that shaped Tudor history.
📜 Forbidden Royal Decree:
On this day in Tudor history, 7th March 1530, Pope Clement VII penned a decree that would reverberate through the ages. Witness the papal bull that forbade Henry VIII from remarrying, wielding the threat of excommunication should he defy the pontiff's command.
💔 Catherine's Plea:
Eight months after the Blackfriars Legatine Court's adjournment, where Henry's quest for an annulment faltered, Pope Clement VII received a desperate plea from Queen Catherine of Aragon. Explore the pivotal moment when the pope sided with Catherine, setting the stage for a battle that would redefine England's religious landscape.
👑 Royal Defiance:
Discover how Henry VIII, undeterred by the pope's warning, intensified his pursuit of Anne Boleyn. Embark on the king's audacious journey as he seeks validation from universities, claims the title of "Sole Protector and Supreme Head of the Church of England," and secures support from unexpected quarters.
🤫 Secret Unions:
Uncover the clandestine marriage of Henry and Anne, shrouded in mystery and secrecy. Walk alongside the couple as they navigate the complexities of a forbidden love, leading to Anne's pregnancy and the subsequent annulment of Henry's first marriage in May 1533.
📜 Unravelling the English Reformation:
Witness the transformative March 1532 Act, the initial spark in the English Reformation. Delve into the Act in Restraint of Appeals, where Henry seizes control from Rome, signalling a seismic shift in religious authority.
⚔️ The Final Excommunication:
Experience the pinnacle of Henry VIII's defiance as he faces excommunication from Pope Paul III on 17th December 1538. Explore the pope's breaking point, triggered by Henry's attacks on religious shrines, culminating in a historical clash of power and faith.
👑 Journey Beyond the Crown:
Join me in unravelling the intricate tapestry of Tudor history, where kings, queens, and popes engage in a high-stakes battle for supremacy. Each twist and turn echoes through time, leaving an indelible mark on the pages of history.
🔗 Join the exploration of Henry VIII's tumultuous battle with the pope - a forbidden royal saga that forever altered the course of England's destiny. Remember to like, subscribe, and share your thoughts as we journey through the annals of Tudor history. Let the royal conflicts unfold. 👑⚖️ #HenryVIII #TudorHistory #ForbiddenRoyalBattle #EnglishReformation
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[@AutumnWytch999]

The bells tolling for Henry's ouster from the church was awesome - such perfect timing (and good to see you, Oreo!). As big of a jerk as Henry was, it's weird to think how history might have unfolded without him, without that very direct, very pointed and very huge slap in the face to the church. What he did in defying the church and the Pope was monumental and Luther's Protestant movement might never have made the headway they did without Henry serving as kind of the buffer between the church and the Lutherans at that time - and all for a girl. I love it. Love. It.

[@brittanywaddell318]

Could you possibly do a video highlighting the time when Anne Boleyn became jealous of Catherine of Aragon because Henry viii preferred her shirtmaking abilities? This sticks out in my mind because its such a human thing and it gives these larger than life characters a very modern feel. Id love your take on it. Thank you.

[@ruthgoebel723]

Bells for Henry’s excommunication! Interesting as always. Thanks!

[@lynnanderson1755]

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[@virginiagrabow4528]

Greetings from Oregon in the US. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into producing these videos. I've been a Tudor fan for 47 years, and you do such a great job of bringing these people to life and making them real. It's like taking a university class in Tudor history, and I look forward to each day's lesson. I also am very impressed with my other "classmates" and the questions they ask and the comments they make. They all seem like very nice people--friendly, respectful, good sense of humor, and well-informed. And your kitties are wonderful!

[@pat412pear]

Virginia Grabow And if there were no Tudors you probably wouldn’t be named Virginia. You might’ve been stuck with Matilda. Just jesting, Virginia is one of my favorite names.🤓

[@virginiagrabow4528]

@@pat412pear Oh, please, not Matilda! Tillie just isn't me! Actually, I was named for the State where my great grandfather was from. Gretchen had been another possibility. Thanks for the giggle, Patricia.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you! Yes, I agree, I receive wonderful questions and comments.

[@amyferebee]

@@virginiagrabow4528 your great grand dad was from the state named after Elizabeth Tudor "The Virgin Queen" 👑

[@virginiagrabow4528]

@@amyferebee Thanks, Amy! Another interesting little tidbit!

[@buddasquirrel]

Every time you said 'Religious Shrine' the bell rang. LOL. That bell has an excellent sense of timing. Thank you for this video!!!

[@annettefournier9655]

Some things don t change. My ex husband remarried in May and our divorce wasn't final until July . Ha! And not a king.🤣🤣 Thanks Claire. I have something in common with Catherine of Aragon. 😂

[@anneboleynfiles]

Woah! How could he do that?

[@dmgib5239]

I though that was illegal...

[@annettefournier9655]

@@dmgib5239 It is. And also not worth pursuing 😎

[@annettefournier9655]

@@anneboleynfiles I know, right. Guess in his mind when he had signed the final paperwork, that exact second, the marriage was dissolved. Pfft, a tiny thing like legalization didn't apply to him. Seems not everyone with a genius IQ, has the sense or decorum God gave a potato. 🤣😎

[@ladythalia227]

Good riddance, Annette 👍

[@trojanette8345]

Good video. Filled in a lot of dates for me which I didn't get having been educated in America.

[@carolrondou6161]

Claire do you think if Kathrine had been from a less influential and her nephew having the Pope as his "guest", Henry would have received the annulment?

[@anneboleynfiles]

Yes, I think the pope would have had no problem with it if Charles V hadn't been involved. Louis XII, for example, had had his marriage to his first wife annulled without any problem.

[@joanrankin2827]

Perfect bell timing again! 😄🛎🔔🔔🔔

[@Slinkynuts]

How timely. Just finished watching the episode of the Tudors where Wolsey returns from Paris without the approval of the Cardinals etc.for Henry's divorce. I got so excited when they showed Hever Castle.

[@cocola485]

The Bells!! The Bells!!

[@kayp.7757]

Thank you, Ms. Claire, for the very interesting videos. The Tudor period has been my favorite time period to read about since I read "Young Bess" as a teen. So much more interesting than present-day hoaxes and scandals involving celebrities and politicians!

[@aimee2234]

I am new since mid January and a I love this... Thank you, Claire!

[@goaskalice9310]

Your videos have become my daily treat ❤️ .

[@theresecatalano4017]

I love the bells & then the cat enters the room..,a coincidence...I think not! :)

[@Ebyangel]

Henry really was the worst!

[@LivingInChrysalis]

I am so enjoying this channel, thank you so very much!

[@mscott3918]

Just think how history would have changed if the idea that Henry VII should marry Catherine after Arthur's death had been achieved. That would have needed quite a dispensation, for a man to marry his son's widow.

[@darlenefarmer5921]

Thank you.

[@2Travelis2Live]

So much interesting information about King Henry VIII break with Rome. Of course it is impossible to know someone's motivation, especially 500 years ago, but what motivated King Henry the VIII to disolve the monestaries in England? Was it just the desire for the land and properties the monestaries had or were there other motivations?

[@anneboleynfiles]

There were some abuses that Henry was keen to get rid of, but a lot of it came down to money. Some monasteries were incredibly wealthy and the royal coffers definitely benefitted from the seizing of this wealth. It caused a real social crisis though as monasteries had been the places that the common people turned to for poor relief, as hospitals, for education, for care in old age etc. And then there were the monks and nuns who were suddenly homeless.

[@thomassperduti4500]

Excellent as always and so informative thank you.

[@mbsbrown7838]

During this time, I would think of myself and move to Scotland to get away from Henry and his rule....

[@robinpinkham9398]

I've always thought it was a hugely bold move to break from the church, which was God for them at that time. Wonder if it was a conviction of the heart or just because he was mad at not getting his own way?

[@joannedavis1991]

robin pinkham also the desperation for his need to get a son and being in love only enforced it.

[@territ7952]

How bloody did it get when Henry took over the church and all its monasteries?

[@mscott3918]

Terri T Quite a few monks were killed and some abbots were hanged outside their own gates.

[@anneboleynfiles]

It got very bloody when people rebelled against it. The Pilgrimage of Grace rebellion led to the deaths of monks and the massacres of people in the North. Awful times.

[@territ7952]

So such, but such is the way when ruling a country. Sometimes blood is spilt, even innocent blood.

[@trojanette8345]

(UPDATED COMMENT): Have you ever done an episode on Spains' reaction to Catherine's death? Secondly, did Spain know or was Spain at the time aware of the fact that KH8 basically tossed Catherine aside, in favor of AB? Who supposedly married them together. It almot mskes you wonder if after annulling one marriage in favor of another that, he would even have the nerve to do it again (meaning to approach the religious council to consider another annullment). They had to have been looking at him as though he was off his rocker. More than that if KH8 were of a lower status I wonder if he would have had any conscious towards what he did by basically obliterating an entire social / religious order that affected thousands. So, when was KH8 really excommunicated? Mar. 1532 - Act. of Restraint, 1533 - Act of Restraint of Appeals (Start of Eng. Reformation / Catholic Church). No appeals to the pope were allowed. KH8 & Anne marry on either Nov. 14, 1532 or Jan. 6, 1533. Anne's marriage was annulled on May 17, 1536 (2 days before her execution). Final excommunication act: Dec. 17, 1538? Sad though that it took the papacy until, March 7, 1538 (??), before it got enough 'balls' to finally excommunicate him.

[@anneboleynfiles]

No, I haven't done an episode on that. By that time, her parents were dead so I'm not sure there was a strong reaction in Spain. Henry VIII rather liked annulments - Catherine, Anne, Anne of Cleves...! Yes, the dissolution of the monasteries and the desecration of shrines caused the papacy to finally go through with excommunicating him, although they had threatened him with it several times.

[@wcfheadshots240]

Religiously, I don't think the Pope cared whether or not Henry actually divorced Catherine or not. He probably would have granted the divorce except that he was basically being held prisoner by Phillip of Spain ( who was the nephew of Catherine) - but by actually breaking with Rome, he did finally have to be excommunicated.

[@cmartin10101971]

I love these daily readings from your book, and find myself wanting more. Ever consider providing the narration for audio book versions of your publications? You have a great voice and diction for them!

[@kaz7809]

Love your series. Big question ... Since most royals had arranged marriages, why didn't Henry the VIII have his daughters betrothed or married off before he died ?? I know Elizabeth was too young to be married but Mary wasn't.

[@h.calvert3165]

There was a problem due to their on/off status of legitimacy. It might be very nice for a commoner to be married to the natural daughter of a king, & to have her bear your children, so that you now have royal blood in your family. But such a girl will never be good enough to be the wife of a prince & a future king. You can't have a bastard queen. Sorry. 👑

[@anneboleynfiles]

Both daughters were the subject of marriage negotiations in their early lives, when they were legitimate, but as H. Calvert points out, this changed when they were made illegitimate.

[@loriwatters8661]

Love you Claire

[@Girldrummer37]

Thank you 🙏 for making these wonderful videos! I greatly enjoy all the fun info in them! Many blessings

[@victoriascotttheclassicist3692]

This is the perfect morning. Eggs for breakfast, my hazelnut coffee, and Tudor history! 💜

[@Nicolesid1]

Claire your Thumbnail game is hardcore!! Thank you for the amazing videos!

[@anneboleynfiles]

My husband Tim is responsible for the thumbnails and I have to tell him off sometimes as he picks such funny faces!

[@Nicolesid1]

@@anneboleynfiles Completely understand.

[@lovejoypeace5972]

I'm really enjoying these videos.

[@eileen1820]

The Papacy really had power, wow. I always wonder if Catherine had gone away quietly to a Convent if the Reformation wouldn't have taken England as it did. You were kind enough to answer this question before. You said no, that the Reformation was a force of its own. As a Catholic, I have this duality of feelings towards Catherine bc sometimes I can't help but think she should have just accepted her fate and gone into religious life. She ended up losing so much, especially her ability to see Mary. Such a sad ending for her.

[@anneboleynfiles]

I think the Reformation would have come later if Catherine had allowed the annulment to happen without opposition. Anne, I'm sure, would still have used her influence to raise reformist men in the church etc. but there would have been no need for the break with Rome. Anne wasn't schismatic. The reformers she valued were men looking to reform the church from within and to get back to the authority of scripture.

[@Ladybug-uf7uh]

Every time I hear these accounts of Henry VIII establishing the Church of England for his own ends, I get sick all over again. What one man can do with religion and/or government to achieve his own end. It has happened throughout history, ancient and modern. But it still sickens. All the people that died and suffered so much trauma for the ambitions of one man. And history repeats itself, as we know. From North Carolina, USA where we have our own version of Henry.

[@slanusgreenstreet5316]

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[@shadrach6299]

The Reformation was right around the corner. The “Church” was evil and Protestantism was established. Thank God! Henry VIII had nothing to do with the establishment of Protestantism. He considered himself Catholic but not a “Pope Catholic”.

[@shadrach6299]

Slanus Greenstreet Should we watch “FOX Noise”?

[@slanusgreenstreet5316]

@@shadrach6299 Well, since you asked....Discerning a LIE from the TRUTH seems no simple task these days....But, sadly, you must do your own discerning....no matter who says what! When 2 stories are contadictory, only one can be true! The only way truth can be attained is by losing bias....and seeing clearly! Motives, agenda, positive or negative bias.......Truth shines bright, even when untruth is SHOUTING it is right! Peace!

[@almontepaolilli4909]

The Pope really misjudged Henry and his desire for male heirs. I wonder if they had an heir and a spare philosophy yet in Henry’s time?

[@AshleyLebedev]

Yes

[@anneboleynfiles]

Yes, they did. After Prince Arthur's death, Henry VII and Elizabeth of York felt it was important for her to get pregnant again even though they had Prince Henry. She died trying to provide her husband with a spare.

[@nomine4027]

Hello from New York! Great series. Wonderfully interesting and informative.

[@patmccoy8758]

The bells sound like you're broadcasting at either 12:00 noon or midnight your time.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Yes, it was midday. It used to ring the hour twice - there'd be 4 bells to say it was the o'clock, then the number of bells for the hour, then a pause of a couple of minutes before it did it all over again - but the town hall has changed it so it only does the hour once. Phew!

[@patmccoy8758]

And it was about 6:00 PM, EDT on the east coast in America, March 6th. :-)

[@justinmarsh8131]

The more I hear about this situation, it sounds like a no-win for Pope Clement VII between Henry VIII/Anne/Francis I and Katherine/Charles V.

[@nancybeveridgetaylor3256]

I just love the bells!! 💖😊

[@summerdesjardins6808]

How did Henry feel about being excommunicated? He lived and died a Catholic. I know he hated reformists.

[@anneboleynfiles]

I think once he'd come to believe that he was only answerable to God, and not to the pope, he was not bothered about being excommunicated.

[@summerdesjardins6808]

@@anneboleynfiles Thank you. That makes sense.

[@madnessofsummer]

I absolutely love your videos! I hope that I'm able to get your book soon I cannot wait to read it! if you ever want to have a strange vacation feel free to come to Roswell New Mexico and do a book signing 👽✈️

[@anneboleynfiles]

Aw! I would love to do that!

[@madnessofsummer]

@@anneboleynfiles That would be amazing, but I feel u should be warned Roswell NM is very strange and quite boring.

[@lulubelleish]

Wow … Henry thought of know one … but Himself … Thankyou for..... On this Day ..

[@CherylGormanAuthor]

Henry’s motto should have been “It’s all about me!” 😄

[@maureenmcallister6102]

does France not have records of Anne or descriptions in their records? She was serving Claude so I would think there would possibly be other records not just English? in addition to this meeting at Calais....

[@rosa-f4865]

The bells are telling us the Pope says your out .

[@dmgib5239]

Isn't it funny that henry wrote a book about 10 years before this, in which he defended the authority of the Pope at a time when Martin Luther was gaining popularity. All it took for him to forget this was Anne Boleyn playing hard to get. Such a hypocrite. However, the Pope should have realized that telling Henry he was forbidden from doing something would only make him wish to do it more. Just like with my 5 year old.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Yes, his religious views didn't change and he certainly didn't agree with Luther on various points, he just came to believe that he as a ruler was only answerable to God and not to the pope.

[@dmgib5239]

Yes, but he probably wouldn't have considered doing that if it hadn't been for Anne Boleyn. The following question is off topic and you probably won't even see it, but if you do I hope you have an answer: Is it known what the Boleyn's did during the 2 hours or so that Henry was unconscious when it looked like he may die? I don't believe what I've seen in different movies or shows, but I can't find any evidence. I'm sure if someone knows it is you. For instance, did Anne's father move to secure Princess Mary to prevent her from trying to claim the crown? Did he hope to declare Elizabeth as queen and claim the regency for himself? I hope you see this question, but no worries if you don't. --Thanks

[@anneboleynfiles]

@@dmgib5239 I'm not sure. If it hadn't been Anne would it have been someone else? I'm sure Catherine would have opposed the annulment no matter the woman and the pope would have acted the same way because of Catherine's links to Charles V. Hard to know. Only one source has Henry VIII being "without speaking" for two hours and that's an ambassador in Rome, all the 'on the ground' in England sources state that the king was not badly injured and no mention of him being unconscious.So no mention of anyone doing anything at that time.

[@dmgib5239]

Thank you Claire. Your daily video's really are awesome. I look forward to them every day.

[@camijaque2291]

I find bizarre the moment when the bells rang, and second i just don´t understand, Henry supposedly died being catholic, but he was excommunicated for his bad attitude toward monasteries and the church. He was Catholic or not? and third obviously Anne born and was raised as catholic but her faith was closer to evangelical? for me the real protestan here was Anne not Henry, but Henry executed people from all sides so i don´t know what to think.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Henry definitely died a very conservative Catholic. The only problem he had with Rome was the pope and Henry's Church of England was really just the Catholic Church but with Henry as its leader rather than the Pope. Anne was different. She (like her father and brother) were interested in the religious ideas coming from the Continent. She was very much influenced by the views of French reformers who weren't schismatic but were looking to reform the Catholic church from within. The works she read were all about going back to the authority of scripture, i.e. what the Bible said rather than what leaders in the church said, and also about justification by faith, being saved by faith in Jesus through God's mercy, rather than through good works. Anne couldn't be called "Protestant", as it was too early in the Reformation to label people that. I think had she lived then she would have become what we call Protestant.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Re the execution of Catholics and Protestants, Henry was a conservative and so didn't like people that strayed from what he believed, that took things too far, or who were against him denying the Pope's authority. Catholics who wouldn't accept his supremacy were killed and reformers who he viewed as heretics were killed.

[@camijaque2291]

@@anneboleynfiles I am too grateful for all your answers, seriously, I have so many questions from the tudor era, and you always kindly answer me, thank you Claire :D

[@jayamehta8697]

Hi, thanks for such informative videos. I am an Indian and have always been fascinated by history of British monarchy, particularly the Tudors. Can I request you to take a video on Shakespeare and his connections with Elizabeth I. Also, is there any fact to the fiction that he was son of Elizabeth.

[@anneboleynfiles]

There is no evidence that Elizabeth had any children and William Shakespeare was the son of a glover and leather worker (and later mayor) of Stratford-upon-Avon. I believe that Shakespeare himself was responsible for his works, and not Oxford, Marlowe, or Bacon.

[@jackbauer6192]

Can I communicate with you and how

[@Lyndell-P]

🇦🇺🦘 (viewed 28/02/2021) .. Finally, Henry VIII ex-communicated anyway, and yet after 6 marriages, died a Catholic. 🔔🔔🔔 Unbelievably complicated, yet all true! King Henry VIII never did things by halves (or the easy way) did he? NO! Thank you Claire 👑👍

[@janemarie270]

When Henry became the Head of the Church of England, did excommunication really have any effect on him, or was it mainly an empty gesture?

[@h.calvert3165]

If you believe as Roman Catholics of the time did (including Henry), then it meant that he was cut off from all the sacraments, including absolution from his sins at the moment of death. In other words, eternal damnation. If that's not enough, it also effectively absolved all children of the Church (i.e. pretty much everybody in England!) from any duties of obedience towards him. So all his subjects were now free to consider themselves former subjects, & any action taken against him did not constitute rebellion against lawful authority. If all this seems ridiculous to the modern Western world, with its sensitivity towards the separation of church & state, remember that that was not the mentality of Henrician times. Politics & faith were inextricably intertwined in his time. ⚔️ ⚖️ 🙏

[@janemarie270]

@@h.calvert3165 But if he no longer considered himself, or the country as RC, then wouldn't the excommunication just be a paper tiger?

[@h.calvert3165]

@@janemarie270 You have to remember that Henry was bred, born, & raised Roman Catholic & he remained so all his life. He was not so much a religious reformer as a political one. No Martin Luther was he. He just wanted to change the church from Roman Catholic to Henry Catholic. So yes, it DID have an effect on him. But he was too bullheaded & believed too fiercely in the necessity of a male heir to submit to the Pope once he got started. And the lure of riches re-directed from Church revenues was there, too, remember. A plum prize to a perennially over-spending king. Plus, many of his court urged him on, eager to share in the spoils. No, Henry had beliefs - - - he just usually separated them from his actions.

[@anneboleynfiles]

I think that by this time Henry VIII had come to believe that the pope had no authority over him, that as a ruler he was only answerable to God, so I don't believe that it bothered him that much. It didn't take away any sacraments from him as he had established his own brand of the Catholic Church in England. He would have felt that the pope had no authority to excommunicate him.

[@jackbauer6192]

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[@anneboleynfiles]

Your friend can email me at [e-mail]

[@suecaz27]

Henry VIII. It should be obvious in his letters that he was an expert in ecclesiastical curriculum. Indeed. The first to spot the difference among a womanliness who believed they were an assent. Without the sovereign's assent. PS. Spot In Your Books If You Can See Henry VIII's Actual Assent To Dissolve Anything.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you for your comment, but I don't understand what you mean about womanliness and assent.