Mariah Idrissi | We Should Support No Platforming (7/8) | Oxford Union

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[@whattaboy209]

As Katie Hopkins said, "offense is not taken, it is given". The blatant truth. However, people who have been indoctrinated into their left-wing ideologue just cannot see logic, facts and truisms from hyper-emotional falsehoods. As KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov said, a demoralised group of people cannot see right from wrong, even if it is directly in front of your face. White guilt lefty's are demoralised. People should NOT be stopped from speaking because people are overly sensitive. The conformists who are anti-freedom of speech, are totalitarian; love diversity of ethnicity, but hate diversity of opinion. Bottom line: people on the left don't want free speech, because they are scared of people leaving their conformist thought-bubble, and know it is a real possibility on a free-speech platform. Thoughtcrime is now a thing. Orwellian.

[@John-X]

4:20 *you know who else was a pedophile?* The "Prophet" Mohammed who married a 6 year old named Aisha and *consummated* the marriage when she was 9. 1:37 *you know who else conquered nations and murdered millions?* The "Prophet" Mohammed lol.

[@michaelcrean1456]

Words are the only thing that can change a neo nazi's mind from killing YOU.

[@michaelcrean1456]

@Aurora Endevour The words & actions of Gays & atheists mean nothing to Islam, Yet Islamic countries yield to the wims of China, trading with it and kissing its butt. China, Whom has no qualms about executing over Muslims for the crime of being Muslim. Such a mad world we live in.

[@michaelcrean1456]

@Aurora Endevour *Magic tricks* . Muslims are very superstitious, similar to the Aztecs. Do a magic trick that seems like a miracle and they will stop. Many Muslims think that magic tricks are due to evil jinn, such madness.

[@Loki-ci1yd]

So her argument is be afraid of words because Hitler used words

[@thebigman7589]

Loki 707 exactly, love your pic too 👍

[@whattaboy209]

Hitler also drank water. This woman is clearly a National Socialist.

[@adamphillip5305]

But they are German words & as she said at the start you should not interpret foreign languages to your own.

[@swamivardana9911]

@@whattaboy209 Hitler was vegan too. Are vegan fascist .

[@ukguy]

This is why the left accuses everyone to the right of Marx of being Nazis

[@jenny6253]

No it wasn't Hitlers words that made Hitler powerful it was the fact that anyone that challenged him was either imprisoned or murdered and that is exactly what you are trying to promote!!!!

[@holdfast7657]

Actually Hitler came to power because Germany was on it's knees financially because of war reparations from WW1 and the Depression. This enabled him to then do as you say.

[@dimitriosglous4156]

Excellent point

[@kathryncastanares525]

EXACTLY! I do wish more people would say this every time these loonies used the hitler crap.

[@gersomvanslooten9456]

@@claudiapallais4118 So your solution towards the genocide of the Jews is pre-emptive genocide of the Germans...?

[@ataraw.6142]

that turboned muslim woman is saying eh hem but she is NOT listening.

[@josephdenault6437]

It's always amazing how little these young people know, compared to how much they think they know.

[@wmn682]

That's been the complaint of the older generation has always had. This though seems more a reflection of US being ranked 38th in education. There are 28 recognized first world countries and we're 38th. Our kids have been focusing on CRT.

[@robinearle7225]

It was ever thus.

[@Scorch428]

Everyone is like that tho in their 20s. You grow out of it when you realize the world is gray, and nowhere near perfect. Then you become a realist.

[@jackwatsonepic626]

It's like I have said to my 2 15-year-olds. Just because I'm 61 and my legs don't work. how there used to when I was your age. It doesn't mean I haven't got knowledge You've got the strength, but not the knowledge, but unfortunately by the time you get the knowledge, your body will be f***** like mine And you will have 15 year olds looking at you as though. You're divy because you can't get of the couch Because that's exactly what happened to me when I was 15 I used to look at my grandparents and think well I can run 2 mile. So why can't you because I didn't have the knowledge? I thought I knew everything at that age.. but obviously not 😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@huntergray3985]

"Can we please stop interpreting book in foreign languages into our own language." I wonder just how well Mariah understands medieval Arabic.

[@clockywork]

notice she was referencing Hitler's translated German speeches moments after lol

[@jimmyblanka6025]

On the interpretation point - there is a strong incentive in Islam to not change the book and its interpretation. That pressure is coming from inside Islam - not outside of it.

[@GUULLIVER]

Maybe she doesn't, but that "72 virgins" simply doesn't exist in the Islamic holy book Quran.

[@sarahhumphreys3980]

And yet Mariah said something in another language 🤣

[@homlesy1172]

@@jimmyblanka6025 HYPOCRITICAL WOMAN , YES WORDS ARE POWERFUL AND BELIEVING IN THAT MUSLIM CULT THAT IS VERY SICK IN ITS WRITINGS YOU SHOULD NEVER DEFEND SUCH A FILTHY BOOK LIKE THE KORAN!

[@shayryan9654]

Mariah said that the 72 virgins thing is outdated, yet then goes on to quote something from the Quran from over a thousand years ago.

[@frankcoutts8767]

Contradicted herself at every moment . She should have stayed seated and not confirmed her ignorance and bigotry.

[@talsapps]

What do you expect..? She's a Muslim.

[@arandomhandsomeman7725]

You are so wrong in so many ways She said it’s outdated because it’s not factually correct. It’s been proven wrong and that it’s not from Islam.

[@talsapps]

@@arandomhandsomeman7725 Holyshit! Is that your actual face in the picture?

[@arandomhandsomeman7725]

talsapps It’s a famous picture on google image

[@straylight2378]

The essence of her argument: "You can say what you like, so long as you agree with me".

[@gillersgillers6769]

A debate proposing to end proper debate. I wonder what they see when they look around up inside their own colon? Looking for words previously swallowed?

[@alexneigh7089]

It used to be the labour policy wording in the USSR: "there is no forced labour in the Soviet Union. We only imprison and force to work those who do not work voluntarily".

[@Vaginaninja]

Well, she is a Muslim and that's their whole vibe really

[@SourceChan]

Or just don't hold speeches that lead to the murder of hundreds of millions of people maybe? Is that too much to ask?

[@vat6989]

this is what cultural marxism is about.

[@cawa2576]

Its funny how she wants to do away with having her poor feelings hurt. Yet she has no problem being nasty towards other. So please. Do as I say not as I do.

[@SourceChan]

Who was she nasty towards?

[@there_and_back]

The arrogance of no platforming is that these people are choosing what we can choose to hear, masking it as not letting people they don't like speak. More of us should be exercising our right to listen.

[@goodcitizen6193]

She went right to Hitler. What a shock. You can say anything that hurts my feelings or I disagree with because... Hitler. So boring.

[@justinm2697]

That was after she implored people to not insult Islam.

[@chrisucl]

The irony was that Hitler "No-Platformed" his opponents. Right wingers "No-platformed" gay rights activists. Chauvinists "No-platformed" women's suffrage activists. And so on and so forth. You don't get to claim freedom of speech when it is about your side, but then censor and no platform when it is the other side.

[@undefinedfreedom8580]

Good Citizen , the Hitler scaremongering doesn’t work anymore. We can all see that Muslims in fact have more common with the Nazis than any of us.

[@Zulanderr]

lol was like 3..2..1.... OMG hitler already?????

[@kargs5krun]

She "lost" me (re: "respect") with "Holy Quran." Of which, whose followers eagerly await to bring about your "demise" (thats PC for what really awaits you in the UK) and call that "holy" too. All beginning with, "the power of words."

[@addersdewinter7495]

This woman has no argument ... it's all emotion over facts. Of course she wants no platform, if there is no platform to people who disagree with her; she will be able speak the one doctrine, one narrative and that will be hers.😮

[@stellaboulton4664]

Quite -- let's stop people saying words we don't like. She also has problems with her 'ts' .

[@tremordrake1749]

what are you talking about..? her speech was weak but your claim is nonsensical... no platforming is bad but that doesn't mean that if it existed no one would be able to critcize religion. there are plenty of books best sellers made critcizing the quran... Take a look at India and Israel at how they indoctrinate and limit free speech and yet they are still called democracies especially india with its recent Kashmir stunt

[@OmmerSyssel]

@@tremordrake1749 bla bla.. Islam hates opposition & like Hitler did slowly silencing free speech in our prosperous Western societies! That's fact, no matter how busy you are bending over!

[@donaldellis3609]

@@tremordrake1749 put it like this every one should have right say what they want end of!!

[@grassypants4450]

@@stellaboulton4664 they look ok to me.

[@chiefy4245]

Her: says we shouldn't interpret other languages. Also her: Quotes a book from another language.

[@sunshinetoday129]

"the 72 virgins thing is outdated and unauthentic"? What are you, a Quran denier or a taqiya practitioner?

[@wapleviathan4006]

The 72 virgins is not actually stated in Quran but hadiths, the second fundamental core in Islam after Quran. So yes it is a still a thing unless she is a Quranist. However, we never know she is.

[@sunshinetoday129]

@@wapleviathan4006 . Oh right, Hadith denier! Islamists are rich

[@flarpman2233]

Muslims believe that the Quran is perfect and cannot be improved upon, so how exactly do beliefs within a perfect book become outdated?

[@sunshinetoday129]

@@flarpman2233 . Clumsy taqiyya, I guess

[@ch-p2861]

@@flarpman2233 it's not in the quran

[@mrbiffa5038]

A very poor speech overall. Waffle, waffle, waffle... 🙄🤷🏻‍♂️

[@katyb6979]

Mr Biffa Yup. I'm 5 minutes in, and it's just a series of words not leading anywhere, or making any particular sense!

[@Dion_Mustard]

I think she was just nervous and intimidated by Katie Hopkins and the crowd. There's nothing wrong in writing things down if you feel you won't be able to remember everything. Her speech was basically factual and focused on the fact that some of the most powerful platforming people in history have made speeches which have then resulted in the destruction of mankind. Some of the most powerful political speakers throughout history have come out with some very very negative things. Most political speakers fuel hatred and prejudice (Trump) and we need to becareful of this. If we all said what was in our minds the entire planet would be at war with each other.

[@LOOKINVERTED]

@@Dion_Mustard I agree with all of what you say but you failed to point out the most important caveat. Those powerful words that are so dangerous only become such when they're brought into action and there aren't opposing views to counter those arguments - the value of free speech (absolute... because we don't know what words are going to have that impact in the future) ...is our vehicle to do just that and utilise debate with "other" ideas. Hitler silenced his opposition, literally which was one of the main reasons as to why he succeeded with his abhorrent agenda. If we start to do the same - no matter how well-intentioned our de-platforming of who "offends" we risk the same happening again.

[@LOOKINVERTED]

@@Dion_Mustard ...oh, and with respect - the Trump phenomenon, who is it, exactly, who's getting de-platformed during this 'tyrant's' tenure? Not your words but some describe him as such, but it's not the left getting censored, it's mainly conservatives and his supporters. Surely you're not of the opinion that it's ok in this case? If it were his opposition that were getting censored then I'd say you have a serious point and we should worry but it's the opposite - so I'm not sure of the mental gymnastics those on the left have to go through who think this is ok!

[@undefinedfreedom8580]

Live Life , because of few powerful evil people with platform in the past, we should just forget about free Speech? There are also plenty of dangerous people who just carry out the act with speaking up. What do you want to ban next? Knives, trucks?

[@Liam-uh3pr]

It took 1 minute to get to literally hitler.

[@byronelenica8329]

LOL LOL

[@SourceChan]

The irony when right wing people are complaining about people taking readings from history.

[@kimwiliams5434]

I love how genuinely enthusiastically Katie Hopkins applauds her opponent just before ripping her argument to shreds.

[@blobbynobby4619]

kate went before her and she was second to last

[@sarahhumphreys3980]

I.know right 🤣

[@archiebunker4108]

It's "unauthentic", a great literate start to an Oxford Union debate. Then comes a rambling, humourless and boring speech.

[@dallasstorey]

It should be "unauthentical" shouldn't it?? :-)

[@oriseducationcentre168]

@@dallasstorey Wrong!

[@npickard4218]

Since Mariah Idrissi is in favor of "no platforming" how about we no platform her and see what she thinks?? Censorship bites in both directions, honey !!

[@stealthattack2209]

@Maina Fridman Hey a-hole, how did you reach the conclusion that she supported Hitler?

[@stealthattack2209]

@FOAML8X Let me guess.... you have never experienced prejudice have you?

[@stealthattack2209]

@Thorne Worthington When was the last time you called a black man a N--er?

[@johnunkerman]

Stealth Attack ...your screen name says volumes about you. Dropping bombs anonymously from 50 thousand feet. I’m sure you have experienced lots of hate.

[@thistleskeptic]

Charlie Hebdo got deplatformed by islamists

[@23StudiosSports]

Did she just say to stop translating books into other languages so we can understand them?? Lmaooo

[@isitsafe6166]

Lol.

[@billybob12337]

Ikr that was so dumb

[@Goodfood717]

@Jaeko body counts and virginity are pretty simple linguistic concepts.

[@weefeatures]

It turns out that it isn't 72 virgins, but 72 raisins that martyrs receive upon entering heaven. I'd love to see the look on their faces when they find out

[@looking-glass135]

Jaeko Hence why discussion of differing ideas is important, surely?

[@oliviawildblood1639]

She literally proved the other side’s point when she said ‘from the clash of sides comes the glimpse of truth’ ......

[@truthmatters-jt5up]

she proved many points -- just not the way she intended to.

[@johnunkerman]

I love how she starts to meltdown immediately when they shout stuff whilst she speaks. It’s okay for the left to de-platform, but as soon as it’s from the right it’s “oh come on guys please let me finish speaking”. They are so hypocritical.

[@rannnoch]

"we don't allow paedophiles to spread their beliefs..." -oh? What age was Muhammad's bride again?

[@nonamecommonsense9089]

@Kathleen Silburn Dr Bill Warner is one of the best experts talking about political islam. "There are no peaceful muslims because all they follow Mohammed." End of story.

[@nonamecommonsense9089]

@Kathleen Silburn Watch Bill Warner´ talks. He is really good.

[@gouhaokip1]

Depending on the hadiths 6/7 years at the time of marriage and 9 years when the monster rape that little child (Aisha). Disgusting 🤮

[@kimwiliams5434]

...and why was Tommy Robinson jailed twice for simply talking about the trial of the Pakistani pedophile ring in London?

[@ManInTheBigHat]

You heard her, meaning is lost in translation.

[@mikereynolds5001]

Did you notice how she completely dismantled her argument at 6:06? "from the clash of ideas comes the glimpse of truth." If someone is not allowed to speak then there is no clash of ideas.

[@user-yz7xh7lp8i]

its the somali way of thinking. not able to comprehend basic human rights

[@blove142]

she must have meant to say , "through the approved clash of licensed ideas, comes a sanctioned glimpse of official truth."

[@theseustoo]

@@blove142 Lol! Well put! :D

[@MG53v8]

wtf is her argument

[@robertoseveno]

👍 the irony

[@wmn682]

Imagine if this debate would have been held a hundred years ago, this lady would have been beaten for speaking at all.

[@sbtechdif]

05:45 - If reading 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' improved the way she speaks I can only imagine what she sounded like before she read it.

[@MarkCartret]

Shameful, shameful- likening Katie to Hitler. You lost me there young lady.

[@chris6969]

Expected. It's all they have.

[@Patrick-hb7bk]

A pure reprobate.

[@dondaddah9141]

She cant even go off script! Lol

[@SourceChan]

Did you even watch the video? She addressed one of the 3 people that raised a point of interest, and the person that was addressed broke the spirit of the POI

[@milton7763]

“I learnt to listen more” Also her: “No questions now please, I’ll come back to you later”. Never comes back to him

[@peterclark4685]

Hopefully the last time the Oxford Union will ask someone who in no way could graduate from any of their courses. This was embarrassing; for her limitations were absolute.

[@meestermeesterhastings.3159]

She came out of the debate looking foolish, well done Katie.

[@johnunkerman]

Katie even had the class to laugh at her stupid humourless jokes. She’s not even worthy to lick Katie’s bootstraps.

[@NeonCicada]

@Nelson's Rudolph Like she would marry such a toad.

[@nustada]

To be fair if she was debating a potato she would have still came out looking foolish.

[@BellEndBrass]

She's read that book " Anyone who doesn't agree with me is Hitler - a child's guide to arguing".

[@dallasstorey]

subtitled " Mean people are like UNNICE - A survivors guide to surviving.

[@bobby9765]

I’m glad the Oxford collective were cheering her on. May common sense prevail.

[@bobby9765]

So this is really you’re only assessment of her? Wow you’re a deep thinker Shakespeare

[@phyllisharries2742]

Brook W h8

[@TheWorldIsHome]

Bellend Brass 😄

[@daliaalvarez1994]

“I have a question” -“not now”

[@iansneddon2956]

I wonder (1) how many of the proponents of no platforming three years ago are still on Twitter, and (2) what they think of no platforming now? My support for free speech is not out of some desire to hear horrible people speak. It is about my lack of trust in any one having the power to decide what is or isn't horrible.

[@sadiahameed5112]

The union did a really bad job with her. She came to make the point about no platforming, and prevented audience members from participating at all. She is a true champion of no platforming! Very poor!

[@charleydublin7304]

And in so doing proved why it was wrong!

[@SourceChan]

She literally addressed 1 out of 3, a lady that kept on talking and talking, breaking with the spirit and/or rules of a POI, and the speaker then probably addressed the 2 others after completing her speech - if she didn't I agree that was poor of her, but I understand the natural interest not to be constantly interrupted or interrogated during a speech.

[@homlesy1172]

HYPOCRITICAL WOMAN , YES WORDS ARE POWERFUL AND BELIEVING IN THAT MUSLIM CULT THAT IS VERY SICK IN ITS WRITINGS YOU SHOULD NEVER DEFEND SUCH A FILTHY BOOK LIKE THE KORAN!

[@edmoundblack3739]

Who ever payed for her education should demand a refund total crap.

[@farhaanahmed8924]

Edmound, it is now the 21st century where education is a necessity that is free in Great Britain and is accessible far and wide...

[@Sewpot]

Edmound Black same for you, it’s paid not payed !!!

[@ireissistable]

How much does a copy of the Koran cost?

[@ireissistable]

@@Sewpot yeh, wot er dumass

[@ericb4127]

Unfortunately higher education is a waste of time and money for people with an average or lower IQ, another reason we need more trade schools Than Ivy league colleges.

[@robinthrush9672]

You combat words with words. If you try to censor others' words, it makes your side look weak and unable to counter your opposition with superior reasoning. This debate is an excellent showcase of its premise.

[@Nisfornarwhal1990]

Refuted the central point of Katie's '72 virgins' argument by saying "It's 2019, believe what I say without any evidence"... masterful work

[@mouselim72]

This lady contradicts herself and the motion so many times! Oh my goodness!! How weak are her arguments!!!!

[@AM-cs8yi]

because its cult left propaganda she's following, no logical arguments required

[@swallman]

Good example of the importance of selecting your immigrants wisely.

This is the beautiful results of the ungrateful , racist 3rd world parasites that we have allowed in our Christian countries, we gave them compassion, empathy and opportunities, and they give us racist narratives, Anti-White sentiments, Anti-Christian sentiments, eradicate free speech, attack our values, principles and our heritage.

[@georgemckenna7570]

Argue against ideas, not personalities.

[@canmcneely]

William Barrett Best comment on here!!

[@andrewomondi1232]

Not everyone is welcomed? Even your next door neighbour

[@ThEuNkNoWn9999999]

@ You call them racists while at the same time referring to them as third world parasites. The irony lmao.

[@link2440]

How can these people not understand that the people in charge determine the freedom of words. While Hitler may have been great at speeches, the idea that people can rise up and speak against this is of the utmost importance. It shows how little she understands that she sat down without taking questions.

[@mbrewer421]

When your speech sounds like it was specifically written to PROVE your opponents point.... who should be the arbiter of what is positive or negative speech?? Who gets bestowed with that kind of authority?? The only people afraid of words, are the people who want to suppress YOURS. And those are the people to fear.

[@get2rog]

Nothing new here: no strength of argument, incredibly immature attitude and naive thinking.

[@isitsafe6166]

" if we put out positivity, we get back positivity, if we put out negativity we get back negativity". *Cough cough...like to dislike ratio

[@scatton61]

agreed. After she said that i thought "And your point is?"

[@paulcoffield2102]

Yeah, unfortunately the world isn't sunshine and rainbows. They think that as long as they keep holding hands, sing kumbaya together and make meaningless love-heart symbols, the world will eventually rid itself of any "hate" and we'll all live happily ever after. Reality doesn't quite work like that. It's just utopian make-believe nonsense that belongs in a fairytale book.

[@i.b.l.b5627]

Bruh!!! 👌

[@SourceChan]

Honestly the OxfordUnion comment section is the biggest sect of weirdos I've ever seen, and I've watched a lot of youtube, so I wouldn't give credence to the like/dislike bar, which is now outdated anyways, for the life of me.

[@GGPlays.]

Outdated? Since when did they receive the updated one?

[@milton7763]

Astounding how she doesn’t see the irony in so much of her points: - So Hitler and the handling of dissenters in Elizabethan times are what you base your suggested approach on… - I improved my life nit by physical changes but by _listening_ _more_ _to_ _people_ (and hence you want to silence people?!?)

[@DerekWong967]

Let's play a game: everytime she says hitler roll your eyes.

[@SourceChan]

Lets play a game: everytime someone speaks of historical facts and situations, no matter how modern, put your fingers in your ears until they're done so you won't accidentally think or learn something from it, because that would be a crime.

[@ReinPetersen]

Yes Mariah "words have power" - and you want to monopolize them to empower yourself against others who don't hold your opinions

[@kyokogodai-ir6hy]

Rein Petersen....Exactly! *CONTROL LANGUAGE* = *CONTROL CULTURE* = *CONTROL PEOPLE*

[@blove142]

Nailed it Rein Peterson! Freedom of expression is a diffusion of that power, censorship is always a consolidation of that same power.

[@SourceChan]

You know you're in a weird place when you read the comment of someone barely recognizing the power of words, and even though they're just copy-pasting the rest of their comment from the crowd going "you for no platforming, you dictator!" you're still shockingly positively surprised that they almost got one of the points in her speech.

[@conniefoxx9813]

This young lady reminds me of the song called The Snake by Al Wilson. About a snake taken in and nursed to health by a woman who was surprised when the snake bit her. The snake's response was that she new he was a snake the day she took him in.

[@truthmatters-jt5up]

and that's exactly what that young "lady" is -- a snake.

[@ejrupp9555]

she lost the argument with circular illogic but thought she won it with feels.

[@Sassyglbeauty]

So, she just literally compared Katie Hopkins to Hitler. 🤦‍♀️

[@ericb4127]

Well, her name does begin with an H...lol

[@grip2617]

She obviously not an expert on history

[@MFYouTube683]

Grip but she is a British woman of colour with a very carefully thought-out pointe about curry (🙄) and the obligatory SJW-uniform (aka look at me, no substance but of course I need more attention) plus that «I’m also majoring in music therapy art pedagogy»-tone while she delivers her speech - rather sad imo.

[@mrsw2923]

Nelson's Rudolph is there a problem with celebrating your race? Your history? Your lineage? Or does that only apply to some? Isn’t that the definition of racism? Isn’t the silencing of an entire race EXACTLY what Hitler did? It isn’t the early 1900s. No one is getting lynched. You have no right to demand everyone like you. Perhaps it isn’t the color of a person but the ideas and the behavior of the individual. If your an ass then your an ass. Your nationality has nothing to do with it.

[@MFYouTube683]

Getthehelloverit while I agree with a lot of Katie Hopkins‘s opinions, she is insufferably fond of her own voice and she is arrogant and demeaning to her opponents at the Oxford Union of all places. Bit sad to watch her trying SO hard for a Thatcher moment, not quite getting it right. She comes across like Milo and her lack of grace and decorum are a bit pitiful.

[@MikeHunt45]

Lol and her opening line is taking offence at Katie's observations on Islam 😂🤣

[@itdadof3]

Islam didn't give her the freedom to speak at this event. She would have to be stifled in the middle east. Her freedom to say these words are from what others have provided in her country

[@halimak625]

@@itdadof3 well executed ( pardon the pun)

[@savtazvia3456]

@@halimak625 In her country and her religion she would have been one head shorter had she said what she thinks. It's easy to criticize when you live in the west.

[@zin4026]

@@savtazvia3456 and you know this how?

[@Douglas1102]

I knew I wouldn't agree with her, but... I never imagined how much.

[@truthmatters-jt5up]

LOL. seriously. i really did.

[@dallasstorey]

Words are like, 80% of conversation. The other 40% is mathematics I'm guessing....

[@annielee9714]

5 seconds and I knew I didn't want to hear another word from this strong independent woman (I think that's how the saying goes) roughly translated as easily offended, blame gaming weak individual. If you need tv adverts telling you every 15 minutes that you're strong and independent - you're probably none of those two.

[@junnuravikumar]

i was like checking what makes them to take this stand. may be its their serious religious need to silent others who disagree with anything they do in the name of God.

[@SammyInnit]

I really hope she looks at the like to dislike ratio on this - I know it's lazy to suggest that is the conclusion but honestly, her ideas are terrible, not to mention the speech itself.

[@kitemanmusic]

Yes, but she is a Babe!

[@michaelwayne7887]

Next will be a movement to ban the dislike function.

[@distortedsoulsounds]

She says "this is where the injustiice lies, by allowing those unfit and unqualified to have a platform ..." I have one question Mariah, who do you qualify as fit to have an idea?

[@mickfromyorkshire]

The irony of that statement destroys her position but I’m sure she would tell me I’m wrong.

[@castelodeossos3947]

Whenever someone talks about an argument's being invalid simply because it's 'outdated', referring to the year, one knows they've missed the point of a debate. And exactly what is it that makes an argument authentic? (And it's not 'unauthentic' but 'inauthentic').

[@girlwriteswhat]

Hitler. One cannot separate the rise of Hitler from the conditions in which he rose. The Weimar Republic was economically crippled by the Treaty of Versailles (a lesson the Allies learned from when it came time to forge peace with the Axis countries a couple of decades later, mind you). Communism rose in popularity, and in 1919 a violent communist uprising seized control in cities across the country and took full control of Bavaria. The government responded by essentially declaring martial law and arming former soldiers, a voluntary force called the Freikorps, to take back governmental control of the country. This did not please the communists, who remained a thorn in the government's side. In 1920, both right and left was fed up with the government. People were angry that the government had signed a treaty that effectively made it impossible to adequately feed more than 20% of the country. Communists continued to act out, rioting, destroying property and assaulting people indiscriminately, but the government had no money left to pay the Freikorps and disbanded them. A nationalist leader named Wolfgang Kapp won the Freikorps over to his side and in 1920 they attempted a takeover of Berlin. What few soldiers remained in the military refused to fire on their former brothers in arms, but workers in Berlin went on strike and refused to cooperate with them, and the attempt failed. From there, years of street warfare ensued between the communists and the proto-fascist right wingers (made up largely of ex military). Ordinary Germans began to tire of the violence and vandalism, and in particular, they were getting tired of the indiscriminate nature of it from the communist side. While the fascists mostly confined their aggression to political targets (including a number of assassinations of government officials and meeting the communist mobs with violence), the communists could not abide a "neutral party". If you were not with them, you were against them, and therefore a valid target. If you had any wealth whatsoever, the mobs would confiscate it for redistribution, bourgeoise scum. Had there been such a thing as a milkshake in the economically crippled republic, the milkshakes would have been flying. As it was, they had to settle on bricks. Politically unaffiliated citizens saw their neighborhoods burned and looted, their shops destroyed, their homes vandalized and their loved ones beaten and even killed by the communists, and the fascists as the only people capable of, and willing to, step in and protect them. The government, given its financial situation, certainly wasn't doing a great job of it. When forced to choose between the communists who wanted to confiscate or destroy what little they owned and the fascists who were willing to put their lives on the line to protect it, is it any wonder WHY the average German citizen saw fascism as the lesser of two evils? Oh, and just in case anyone was wondering. The Weimar Republic (1918-1933) had a number of criminal statutes dealing with hate crime and hate speech, including anti-semitic expression. None of that stopped the nazis from rising to power.

[@barryfroemming7298]

The intimidation of the Nazis pushed Germany into a state of submission which caused the general population to submit and then become overrun by the intimidation. The conditions of the country at the time played a major role. Germany was still a very young nation at that time.

[@cueballB]

You're partially right. I don't like communists, to get that out of the way first. Hitlers propaganda was aimed at communists. He hated them with a passion. But he also knew some people were enamoured by socialist ideas, that's why he named his party national socialism. The German people didn't choose Hitler, he forced himself upon them. That's one of the staples of fascism, gaining power without being elected. So no, the people didn't think that facism was the lesser of two evils. Firstly, they didn't have a fully formed vision of what facism is or where it might lead. Secondly, what they did know about communism was heavily inspired by Hitlers propaganda. And thirdly, they did not choose Hitler, Hitler took power by way of a coup.

[@cueballB]

@D H That's basically what Machiavelli said about conquering a country.

[@mickmurphy5680]

The point about Hitler is it would have been & was his opposers that got no platform or otherwise disposed of. More important is that people should first verify what a person says before agreeing or disagreeing with it.

[@swamivardana9911]

@@barryfroemming7298 Germany has a history of barbarism . They invented it.

[@MariaSpooon]

4:20 Mariah does not seem to know the difference between criminal violence and free speech.

[@alexneigh7089]

"Hitler edited his speeches up to 5 times". Does she imply that only 4 edits are allowed? (Apparently, she never edited HER speech, and probably had not even read it before delivering).

[@joshuaphilip9935]

Quran Chapter 5 Verse 33. “ The punishment for those who fight ( Criticize or Deny ) God and His Messenger, and strive to spread corruption ( Anything Against Islam ) on earth, is that they be killed, or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, or be banished from the land. That is to disgrace them in this life; and in the Hereafter they will have a terrible punishment. “

[@ollyhp]

@Lila kudo "How dare you be free and have liberty" *spits on the floor*

[@CHRISDABAHIA]

“This is my first time speaking at Oxford. Coincidentally, it will also be my last....” 2:18

[@sw4035]

It is justice to allow everyone to speak. Nothing unjust expect shutting down a persons right to say what they think. Just because you don't like what I want to say doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to speak it!!

[@papajohnsuk5965]

8:42 Katie Hopkins face when she finishes 😂

[@moulinexm7600]

"Thoughts become words, so let's stop thoughts." Has she picked that from the 1984 character O'Brien ???

[@princedakkar2251]

I'm not Katie Hopkins fan, but comparing her to hitler in the context she did was a total reach. Next...

[@SourceChan]

Eh, I think it was pretty spot on. As she said herself "not quite as bad", or you know a little mini Hitler, pretty spot on imo.

[@elizabethmunson2129]

The next time I hear a POC say "my father was beat up every day on his way home from work" I think I may gag! Get some new material that ONE is OLD!!!

[@spacebuddy5339]

Everyone should have a voice. Everyone

[@gruber5937]

When someone starts part of a sophisticated debate with 'no pressure' - you know it's going to be wank.

[@allahspreadshate6486]

Especially when it's followed with 10 minutes of "Hitler bad"...

[@SourceChan]

Love the adjective, very fitting one for this comment section.

[@cronocide]

You know it's bad when they start talking about Hitler, does the union not apply Godwin's law?

[@lynchmob1962]

Positivity, pink unicorns, n rainbows in the sky

[@kleekboop]

Open debate Without hecklers very refreshing

[@bashasadoff6983]

Comments section is giving me faith in humanity!

[@mottgirl13]

She ignored ppl.... silencing them with let me finish. Oh the audacity! Imagine if she didn’t hv that freedom to do so... Carry on!

[@jonh9561]

Parents who constantly tell their children how wonderful they are, inevitably have a lot answer for

[@Cooper-1717]

The problem is, who will decide who gets banned and who may speak? Will that decision be based on right and wrong, or will other agendas start to emerge? Anyone over 40 knows the answer.

[@joanpeters9330]

Platitudes. It was not Hitler's words that caused the Holocaust. It was the fact that no one was permitted to oppose him without a visit from the Gestapo. She is advocating a new gestapo that gets to decide who speaks and who doesn't. Pedophiles are free to SAY anything they want. It's their actions that are not permitted.

[@judeoko]

"God told us in the holy koran" were do you find these people? Why isnt she living in a pure lovely country which is so fair and just. Ooooo only if your a Muslim Male. And there isnt one, a Turkish saying " get home wife look after kids and dont speak until I say"

[@mrfr87]

Hitler didn’t just gain power through his speeches, that is a massive over simplification. The violent acts/murders to repress other politicians and groups really help. The night of the long knives was literally no platforming other groups by murdering to prevent the opposition to argue. Hitler is a terrible example to use.

[@roadkill1896]

Stumbled back onto this debate 3 years later. Words do have power and if you are opposed to someones 'words' then you should have the abilty to stand up against them and argue for what you believe to be true and just. Simply telling them to 'shut up' (ie: No platforming) isnt winning an argument and getting to the truth, it's just another form of violence. I wonder what outcry would be heard if those on the right of the gallery 'no platformed' those on the left?

[@jaewok5G]

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that the written word's influence long outlasts any speech that dissipates like a fart in the wind," Thomas Jefferson [can anyone quote hitler by memory?]

[@adamtate2685]

No but the consequences of his sentiments are still with us.

[@SimplyAustins]

Please don't say this education was paid for. If this is the so-called elite of young intellect in our country, it's going to be a rocky 50 years. The first statement, "don't translate books into other languages". What next, shall we burn them if we don't agree? Who was it who did that again.....? That place was more inspiring when Dumbledore was running the show.

[@mml4673]

Her speech shows up the extreme dichotomy between Islamic & Western morality/philosophy. In my opinion the West has got it right in terms of individual freedom.

[@pieterveenders9793]

There is no doubt that the West has it right. Why else are they all coming to our countries, apart from welfare?

[@Hellohallo]

in a univeristy setting, she begins with saying that humanity should stop translating books. what?

[@kleekboop]

I wish I could have heard the questions

[@leewhite344]

Lmao look at Katie nodding when she says it's her first time speaking. She cracks me up

[@amanjamwal7528]

Appalling. Absolutely appalling. No original thought, no convincing argument.

[@mattsweetman4198]

the dislike to like ratios compared to katies speach says it all really

[@jamie1341]

So she’s saying we should support censorship.

[@alisonhammond1555]

Exactly.....this ridiculous woman, probably identifying as a feminist, cambridge university educated women......is pathetic.......any junior high educated student from any small town in the world, with a functioning brain could debate her into the dust in this debate. Appalling of her to bring up Hitler in support of censorship.

[@flawlesswill1987]

when you start your argument by comparing some who offends you with words to someone who killed millions you already lost your argument. thank you for making it so easy

[@0sba]

To see how many people agree with her is truly showing for the herd mentality considering the way it is received by the general public on KZbin. Even at an institution that should be a safehaven for free thinking, there are now people that would like to see other opinions get shut down.

[@augustusstark]

She started calling the 72 Virgin thing an outdated term and then continued talking about Hitler and how he launched his campaign 8 decades ago!

[@Boss-_]

"It was [Hitler's] words that lead him doing what he did" Yes, that's exactly how it works. I say "I'm hungry, I'm gonna go eat something", and suddenly my stomach starts rumbling and I get up to go eat. It's not that I was hungry and felt the need to eat, and then I expressed that using words. What and absolute idiot (but I guess we know that since she didn't even remember to dry her hair before going out in public)

[@tedtrash]

Actually, it is cyclical. You can only use your words for hunger because you have the energy from eating previously. And now you understand the next step. Everyone who is deemed offensive must not only be denied a platform but forced to starve, preferably in a dungeon. Do you mean to say you didn't think it clever when she tried to appeal to historical precedent with an argument best paraphrased as: "Thank God we don't draw and quarter people anymore, but it was a good idea in principle. Am I right?"

[@keonily]

Never heard someone twist the truth like that...interestingly she can look in the mirror and think that her derogatory comments don't apply to herself.

[@MrAmbrosse]

1 minute in and she's already down to Godwin's law. You've got to at least give us a bit of a build up before bringing up Hitler.

[@stevenunua2118]

So funny so she can change the word of HER gawd too LMAO

[@jimmyrimshot1108]

One might almost feel sorry for this young woman, clearly well out of her intellectual league, clearly unable to present any sort of reasonable or indeed cogent argument and to top it all off her appalling attempt at sardonic humour, 2:28 asserting that Hitler's way with words bore a similarity to someone here (presumably an opposition speaker). Frankly, nothing more need be said regarding the latter remarks, the audiences response said it all. Not satisfied with embarrassing herself, and doubtless many, if not all of those in attendance, went on to demonstrate her double standards 5:50 presumably a poorly executed ploy to attack the credibility of Katie Hopkins. In this instance Ms. Idrissi quoted a passage from a Turkish book, doubtless itself having been translated from Turkish to English emphatically praising its depth of meaning and relevance. However it must be highlighted how very shortly after beginning her speech, she very quickly and rather thoughtlessly criticised Ms. Hopkins for doing precisely the same thing with a piece of text from the Koran, bearing in mind as Ms. Idrissi rashly pointed out, it too was a translation. The dichotomy being what's acceptable for her argument, is clearly unacceptable as a means of defence in the hands of the opposition ie. Katie Hopkins. In her opening remarks Ms. Idrissi stated this was her first time, one can only hope it's also her last.

[@nooort]

"she criticised Ms. Hopkins for doing precisely the same thing with a piece of text from the koran." I assume you're talking about the 72 wives thing, which is not even in the Koran. Please get simple facts right before you start waffling you Muppet.

[@yurishatniy1103]

homie you said it all! well done my man Jimmy RimShot

[@luisluis5306]

I don't trust her.

[@plasmaplasmajohndoe5012]

@@ikhtiarhossain taquiya and *_"how islam progressively takes over countries"_* by marc ellis

[@thiruvalluvar3880]

@@ikhtiarhossain it's not a conspiracy.. it's kinda already happened to many countries

[@alexneigh7089]

"... my first time speaking at Oxford Union" - and probably the last.

[@TheDMTLover]

Yes. So many times in my life I've put my foot in my mouth. No regrets (experience is key) but I'm learning from that unusual but familiar experience of tasting my toes.( I've heard someone say once... when ever you use the word BUT, just dismiss anything that come before the word BUT and focus/consider/listen to what comes after). Next time I'll do better because my toes do not carry my message. So, Do your best to be kind in your delivery. We are not at war when we seek understanding. From a learner. What side should we be on, the love of power or the power of love? I Love you all. Never take a decision/stand when you are pissed. Feel it, don't react.Act.

[@cassidykirk8559]

Next debate suggestion: Chicken Tikka Masala IS Glaswegian.